I'm sitting in an anonymous, fluorescently-lit office on the Google campus where the Android team is situated, a surprisingly bare setting that seems to clash with the rest of the company's, multi-colored, neo-hippie aesthetic. I'm waiting for Matias Duarte — Android's head of user experience — so that we can discuss the latest version of Google's mobile operating system (dubbed Ice Cream Sandwich), and hopefully get a look at the smartphone the new OS will ship with.
I've just had a long, bad, and very early flight to San Francisco, and I'm a little weary, though one of Google's PR reps has kindly given me a strong mug of coffee from a single-cup machine I'm told costs $10,000. The coffee isn't bad.
When Matias gets to the meeting, he walks through the door like he's in mid-sentence, as if he was handing off some direction to someone just outside the room. He comes in with a smile on his face wearing a loud, patterned shirt that looks perfect for a beach in Hawaii (where he's incidentally headed the next day). Matias Duarte is not a big guy, but he's got a room-filling personality. You can tell when he's fired up, and he's clearly fired up today.
The philosophy of Android

Matias is somewhat of an anomaly in our industry. He led major user interface projects at Danger, Helio, and most notably Palm — where he gave birth to webOS — which were incredibly inventive in both design and functionality. At those companies, he took the lead on the creation, design, and implementation of novel and new mobile interfaces. But he's not just a skilled designer. Matias can talk about his designs in a way that people understand. Not only understand, but get excited about. He's effusive, brilliant, and very focused.
Unfortunately his work at those companies couldn't find a foothold, and he seemed destined to toil away on doomed projects until he arrived at Google last year (he left Palm just after the company was acquired by HP) to work with his old boss from Danger, Andy Rubin.
He sits down at the head of the table. I ask him to start by telling me what's been happening between Honeycomb, his first big project at Google, and Ice Cream Sandwich.
He starts with a qualifier. "Honeycomb was kind of that emergency landing," he says, "You get there, 'phew, okay survived that,' and when we finished that we said 'what's next?'"
"Coming in and being put in charge of the design and UX for this enormously successful platform that now has years of legacy behind it. It's completely unlike getting behind the steering wheel of a zippy, agile little car. It's more like driving an aircraft carrier." He gestures as if he's pushing a button, "Okay guys, turning left! Are we turning left yet?" His point is that it's a big machine.
"There's a momentum that's in there, and that comes from the magnitude of what we're trying to do. It's a platform, it's got to run on all these different form factors, on these different classes of devices, it's got to have a flexibility designed into it that you don't have to worry about when you're doing a completely integrated device." Matias pulls out a laptop and puts it on the table between us. We're working up to something here.
"You want to be sure that your design ideas will survive, and also allow for customization," he says.
"We're designing something bigger. We're designing a showcase product for people that says 'okay, this is what you could build,' but then we're also designing the Lego system that people build those products out of, and we have to do both of those at the same time. And we can't really cheat and cut any corners and do anything with our product that couldn't build out of this system."
I first saw Honeycomb at CES in January of this year. Devices with the software have been shipping since February — yet Android phones have remained stuck, still waiting on the upgrades and improvements promised by the revised OS.
"On Honeycomb we cheated, we cut the corner of all that smaller device support. That's the sole reason we haven't open sourced it."
Matias explains further, "Honeycomb was like: we need to get tablet support out there. We need to build not just the product, but even more than the product, the building blocks so that people stop doing silly things like taking a phone UI and stretching it out to a 10-inch tablet." It's obvious that products like the original Galaxy Tab, with a bastardized version of Android for phones, annoyed him.
"So that was the mission, and it was a time-boxed mission. Any corner we could cut to get that thing out the door, we had to."
Matias flips open his laptop.
"I want to set expectations. Android's growth, because it's got this legacy, has to be an evolutionary growth." He's asking me to lower my expectations — something he repeats throughout our interview. "What I'm going to show you here is something I'm really proud of. But the device I'm going to be giving to everybody this Christmas, the Android phone I'm actually feeling good about people carrying — my Android phone — it's not the end of the journey." His Android phone. Noted.
"In doing Honeycomb we made a whole bunch of changes to the platform, so Ice Cream Sandwich is where we say 'huh, okay, how are those changes going to work on phones?'"
He has slides. "We wanted to do more than just bring Honeycomb to phones."
"The question we were asking was not 'what's the milestone for the next release,' but 'what's the vision for how we want to evolve the platform,' and this is the pithy question we asked. Aspirational. Challenging."
What is the soul of the new machine? The words are emblazoned across Matias' laptop display.
I tell him that that's pretty intense. I ask what the new machine is, exactly.
"Android is the new machine. It represents that new type of potential for computer / human interaction. Mobile is exciting because it breaks us out of this stodgy stuff that we've been looking at for two decades," he's worked up, "Two decades of windows, and cursors, and little folder icons!"
"Finally people's minds are being cracked open, so now the question is, what are we going to do with that momentum?"
This isn't a design or product question. It's a philosophical question. What is this thing? What is it supposed to do? How will it do it? How do we get there? I ask him if it was the first time anyone at Google had ever asked that question.
"I don't think anybody ever asked about the soul," he answers in a very matter-of-fact way, "This was my question, it was the question I challenged the team with."
"I think people had very clear and concrete visions about Android and its strategy, but from a holistic design perspective — not just the look and feel — what does it mean in your life? Why are we doing the things that we're trying to do. That was the question I wanted to ask."
This question sparked deep user studies at Google on mobile phone use, what Matias described as "Serious baseline ethnographic research which hadn't happened before." He tells me that the company spent a great deal of time and effort watching how and why regular people used their smartphones. Not just Android phones, but all smartphones. The company even had employees "shadow" users, visiting them at their homes and workplaces to watch how they interacted with their devices. Matias wouldn't share numbers, but intimated that the study was a significant undertaking.
"A lot of what we found confirmed what I thought for years. At Danger, we had this idea that smartphones were not for a certain kind of person. They were for everyone. Smartphones were the way phones were supposed to be."
"What we heard from everyone we talked to in the study was that they love these things [smartphones], they are a part of their lives. They're incredibly passionate about them. They can't live without them. That was awesome. But we also heard a lot of things we didn't like to hear."
"With Android, people were not responding emotionally, they weren't forming emotional relationships with the product. They needed it, but they didn't necessarily love it."
Matias says that the studies showed that users felt empowered by their devices, but often found Android phones overly complex. That they needed to invest more time in learning the phones, more time in becoming an expert. The phones also made users feel more aware of their limitations — they knew there was more they could do with the device, but couldn't figure out how to unlock that power.
It was a wakeup call at Google.
"If these are the things we don't like to hear, what are the things we want to hear?" Matias says.
"We want to create wonder. We wanted to simplify people's lives. Right now, there's a common trap that can happen when you load up too much power into a piece of software that's not that intelligent. Like the junior assistant that you hire, who instead of helping you by taking work of your plate, makes more work for you. We wanted that really senior assistant that really knows how to help."
"We wanted to focus our effort on making people feel more amazing, like they're super-powered. You put on your suit of techno-magical armor and now you can fly and shoot the bad guys. We want our products to make them more empowered."
I ask him if Google wants the products to just feel amazing, or actually be amazing. "We want to do both," he replies, then flips to the next slide on the laptop.
Inside the machine

"A huge component of building wonderland is the way it looks and feels and sounds, and one of the first things we did was focus on the thing you interact with the most, which is the typography."
The company has created a new typeface for Ice Cream Sandwich dubbed Roboto, designed in-house at Google, something the company has never done before. It's clean and modern, but not overly futuristic — not a science fiction font. Matias says that it's been designed for "high resolution mobile displays" as "a complete typeface, in a great many more varieties than have existed for Android before." He adds "It's a modern typeface, it's trying to take a point of view and is not ashamed to do so."
Then he pulls a dark gray slab out of his pocket and flicks on the screen. The Galaxy Nexus.
The phone is huge, but not oversized compared to the Galaxy S II I've been testing on AT&T. It has a curved housing that gets smaller towards the top of the phone. The glass on the screen is arched as well. I tell him it looks like a teardrop shape. "It is kind of a teardrop shape," he agrees. It has a gorgeous Super AMOLED display, 4.65-inches at a 1280 x 720 resolution. It's the nicest display I've seen since the iPhone 4. Maybe even nicer. Text looks smooth — you don't see pixels, even at the large size. Matias says it's got a higher pixel density than the iPhone, but when I do the math, it turns out he's wrong. Still, it's higher than most devices on the market — 315 ppi. "We collaborated very heavily with Samsung on this," Matias tells me.
The phone has no hardware buttons on the front, unlike all previous Android devices. There are three, persistent, on-screen buttons which surface along the bottom of the display — back, home, and a multi-tasking switcher.
Inside the device has a dual-core, 1.2GHz TI OMAP CPU, 1GB of RAM, a 5-megapixel camera, and it will be an LTE phone here in the US. Matias won't say the carrier, though it's obvious that it will be Verizon. There's a pentaband version for international markets.
The device is also equipped with NFC, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and a plethora of sensors, and has an RGB notification light beneath the screen.
The phone is made of plastic (the screen is presumably Gorilla Glass), but feels incredibly solid. Google reps say that there's an internal aluminum chassis that makes the phone stronger and more rigid.
The camera — though lower in resolution than Apple's iPhone 4S and several other devices on the market — takes incredible looking photos. Matias shows a few shots he's taken with the phone, and I have to double check with him that they weren't downloaded from a point-and-shoot.
But the device is only half the story. The interface of the phone is completely new. It looks a lot like Honeycomb, but also shares much in common with Google's new aesthetic that it's been pushing for its web products. It's clean and modern, and the company has removed the overly masculine, Tron-like feel to the OS.
"Across the board Google and Android is taking design a lot more seriously," Matias says, and points out that Roboto is used throughout the system. "There's this thing that's happening right now in user interface design that I find kind of shackling. The faux wood paneling trend, and the airport lavatory signage trend." He laughs when he says this and pulls up a slide on his computer, a split screen of an Atari 2600 and... airport lavatory signage. It's an obvious dig at both Apple and Microsoft.
"The biggest problem behind these trends is not anything about the aesthetic quality about them, but rather the framework that they impose on everything else," he opines. "Right now if you look at all of these applications that are designed in this real-objecty, faux wood paneling, faux brushed metal, faux jelly button kind of thing... if you step back and you really look at them, they look kind of juvenile. They're not photorealistic, they're illustrations."
He's on a roll now. Clearly Matias has spent a lot of time thinking about what he doesn't like. "If you look back at the web, people did the same thing. All these cartoony things hanging off a page. If you tried that today, people would be laughing, unless you were doing it in a kitsch, poking-fun-at-yourself, retro art way."
But what about Microsoft and their "authentically digital" design? "The problem with going too starkly systematic, forcing everything into this completely constrained, modernist palette, for both of them, you're not leaving any room for the content to express itself."
"The incredible diversity of applications and content providers... that's the reason people have these machines. Not for the five bundled apps and the beauty of the OS — they have them for the hundreds or thousands of games, or books, or movies."
"Instead, I offer the web. Here there's beautiful examples of very customized, very different feeling websites." Matias flips through slides in his deck, a variety of websites, some news-focused, others which are services or shopping sites. "These look completely unlike each other, but people understand how to use them because the right things are standard conventions, and other things are flexible."
"That's what we tried to build with the Ice Cream Sandwich convention. We started throwing in a few hints in Gingerbread, and took it further in Honeycomb. We tried to create a palette and a language and a sense of being that's clean and modern and graphic, but isn't a straightjacket." He adds, "We've taken what Honeycomb has done and pumped up the snooty design quotient, and we've toned down the geeky nerd quotient. We've made it a lot more accessible. But we haven't taken it in a new direction."
The soul of the machine

The new software is striking. I'm in love immediately. Everything in the OS has been touched by the designers at Android. Nothing looks the same.
Along the bottom of the homescreen you have a "favorites tray," which can be customized, in the center is a button to get to your applications. Google search is always present on homescreens in the launcher, kind of like "Just Type" in webOS. When you want to create a folder now, you simply drag an icon onto another icon, similar to iOS. Inside folders, app icons will rearrange themselves, also like Apple's software. Widgets can scroll and be resized, as in Honeycomb. Everything is smooth and fluid; new animations have been added throughout the system.
The multi-tasking icon pulls up a list of app snapshots similar to Honeycomb, but those applications can now be killed by swiping them to the right — like vertical cards. Gestures are all over ICS. "Gestures are much more fun than hitting buttons. Touching and moving things; way better than buttons," Matias says while moving around the device. Even the calendar app didn't escape the touch treatment; you're now able to pinch-to-zoom on your schedule to expand or contract the view, which seems incredibly helpful.
The notification window is now slightly translucent with a glowing dot when you pull it downward. Notifications can be swiped away one at a time, mirroring webOS 3.0 behavior. You can access your notifications on the lock screen if you're not using a passcode, and you can jump quickly to your settings through the window shade.
Applications like Gmail have been completely redesigned. Gone are hidden menus — they're now replaced by contextual menus which change with your selections, similar to Honeycomb. But on the phone things feel more complete, easier to reach, they make more sense. "We've taken all the hidden stuff away," Matias says. You can swipe left to right to move backwards and forwards through your messages. There's a new inbox selection chip at the top of the screen, but still no unified Gmail inbox. "It's harder than you think," he tells me.
In Gmail, Google Talk, and elsewhere, there's a real push to use left-to-right swipes to move from place to place — very similar to the recent versions of the Market and Music applications Google has released.
The keyboard and text selection has been hugely improved. You can now long press anywhere on the phone to select text, and you get a contextual menu for copy, paste, and sharing options. Matias says he'll put the ICS keyboard up against any other virtual keyboard on the market in terms of accuracy and correction.
There are new apps and features too. A "People" application works as your contacts list and a way to gather all of your friends social network activity. There are APIs which developers can plug into to harness the app's power. It's somewhat reminiscent of Microsoft's people panels in Windows Phone 7. I ask Matias if this is a replacement for the address book. "The concept of an address book or contacts feels so lame and dated, it's like 'an address book is this little thing with this faux leather cover!'"
Using NFC and something called Android Beam, you can tap two Galaxy Nexus' together and send files and links. It's accompanied by a "warp field" animation which shows the file snapping over to the other device.
The camera and gallery apps have changed too. You're now able to edit and filter photos you take within the gallery application, and there are a whole slew of Instagram-style tweaks you can make to images. You can tap-to-focus in the camera app, it has face detection, and can do panoramic shots as well as burst mode, and the company boasts that the camera has zero shutter lag. Photos can be snapped instantaneously, which makes for a nice response to Apple's on-stage taunting of Android phone camera speeds.
Even the sounds have been changed. The lock sounds and keyboard sounds are now much more digital, instead of trying to replicate real-world objects. The company has also improved its voice input significantly, offering near-realtime dictation, and making it easier to correct listening mistakes.
But there are deeper changes. Matias tells me that starting with Android 4.0, users can uninstall any application they like, such as the native browser or email client — and that seems to go for carrier software as well. In phone settings you can also control your data usage in a very specific manner. Google is providing tools to set data limits systemwide or for specific apps, then give you warnings when you're about to cross a threshold. You can also restrict the amount of background data certain apps use, and see usage history. I ask Matias if this is one of the features that will make users feel amazing. "This is a make-your-wallet-amazing feature," he replies with a laugh.
Matias also told me that a new style guide was being prepped for developers with lots of off-the-rack pieces that would make it easier for third-parties to create the same kind of streamlined, beautiful applications I saw in Ice Cream Sandwich.
Piece-by-piece, it's impressive. But when taken as a whole, coupled with a world-beating device like the Galaxy Nexus, it's a heady mixture. My impression from seeing all of the new work at play was that Google is really starting to take the experience seriously. This is the first device from the company that really feels completely cohesive and coherent in all the ways a great smartphone should. Maybe Matias' advice throughout our conversation to lower my expectations worked, because I'm impressed by what Ice Cream Sandwich represents.
It's clear that Matias is making his mark on a company which has historically been driven by data, not design. I ask why he came to the company in the first place.
"I came here because they're winning, but also because I could not stand the thought of there being another decade of being trapped in one paradigm, of being trapped in the past just because somebody manages to grab maximum marketshare, and then that's the thing everybody uses with incremental evolution."
"I thought 'okay you know what, I've tried to win so many times before,' and it's been shown that it doesn't matter how great a product you have and how revolutionary the product is... distribution and marketshare are the things that matter." Matias smiles, "Now I'm going the other way around."

Comments
love it
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:03 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
im sure youll love it when it finally updates to your phone in 18 long months. thanks to googles agreement with the carriers, u can have your update in as little as 2 years!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:17 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You showed him!
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Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:31 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
@referfee:disqus Man just give it up your starting to look pathetic.
Bravo Josh Tops, bravo.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:36 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Awesome article. Thanks.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 5:30 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I am sad that the trolls have found thisismynext… I had such high hopes when it first started and there were no trolls, we had GOOD arguments and discussions in the comments and none of this rubbish that seems to be infesting the site now…
Sigh.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:09 AM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Its a Nexus phone genius..
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:13 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
im sure youll love it when it finally updates to your phone in 18 long months. thanks to googles agreement with the carriers, u can have your update in as little as 2 years!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:17 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
im sure youll love it when it finally updates to your phone in 18 long months. thanks to googles agreement with the carriers, u can have your update in as little as 2 years!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:17 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So… “Soul” and “Enchantment” are Google’s version of Apple’s “magical?”
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:03 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Those words are from a designer’s perspective. Good Designers are more than just designers, they are artists, philosophers and appreciators of art and crafts.
Matias Duarte is a great designer. Looking forward to ICS hands on.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh, soo just like everyone at apple???
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
They are only 2 good apple designers in my opinion. Jonathan Ive and Tony Sta… something. Stupid name, can’t remember.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:52 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Tony Stark?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:47 AM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Uses too much red and gold. That’s not very modern looking.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“great designer”… I dunno did you see the way he was dressed? That shit wouldn’t fly in our studio.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:55 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Punk, You got a problem with Miami circa 1984?!?!?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:06 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
He’s in an ice cream suit – get it?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:19 AM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That’s fashion, not design. Totally different.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:34 AM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Hipsters bring the judgement, real artists don’t care what everyone else thinks.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:28 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So… Your studio is filled with drag queens?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
well maybe if he was a clothes designer, then you can make that comment but i dont see how it compares to a user interface/experience on a computing device
as a designer, you SHOULD know there are different types
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
well maybe if he was a clothes designer, then you can make that comment but i dont see how it compares to a user interface/experience on a computing device
as a designer, you SHOULD know there are different types
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The people at Apple are leading designers, so I don’t quite know what you’re trying to say. Of course you can disagree with their design language, but that in itself doesn’t mean squat.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:51 AM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
(im only making this remark because of my previous remark @puzzlepunk ….and R.I.P Steve)
we all know steve had a heavy hand in the designing aspects of his devices, but turtlenecks and jeans…come on now, will that fly in your studio @puzzlepunk:disqus ?
i actually like the shirt though…not so much the color of the suit
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:33 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
(im only making this remark because of my previous remark @puzzlepunk ….and R.I.P Steve)
we all know steve had a heavy hand in the designing aspects of his devices, but turtlenecks and jeans…come on now, will that fly in your studio @puzzlepunk:disqus ?
i actually like the shirt though…not so much the color of the suit
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:33 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, for whatever reason the use of excessively flowery and adjective filled sentences is quite normal for these types. It’s not a bad thing, but it reminds me a bit of Renaissance era writing.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:10 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Seems like Matias is still aping Apple.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:19 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
He’s not a good designer. He’s a punk. His Ice Cream Sandwich looks like dogshit next to iOS5 and Windows Phone.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:05 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Lol! Trollista!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
He’s not a good designer. He’s a punk. His Ice Cream Sandwich looks like dogshit next to iOS5 and Windows Phone.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:05 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah I think soul and enchantment are the type of word that Jon Ive over at Apple may talk about while designing.
Apples use of Magical is more of a marketing ploy, the Google equivalent in this is probably when he talks about being amazing and awesome.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:12 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
How are they different? Whenever you have a sentence that isn’t a short description (“iPad: a magical and revolutionary device”) Apple does point out that it feels magical, not that it is. And Ive is a designer, talking about design, after all. They are all the same.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 5:22 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Sounds like Italian carmakers have been hanging out at Google
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Oooo… ennnchaaantment…
Sorry, Dragon Age fan.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Oooo… ennnchaaantment…
Sorry, Dragon Age fan.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Didn’t read all of it but this is truly a great piece.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:04 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Didn’t read all of it but this is truly a great piece.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:04 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Please read all of it. The rest is just as great.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:21 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
My favorite was the part about being able to uninstall any app, this was the last big thing rooting had over the Nexus.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:37 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Applause* WP welcomes Android to that party.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:01 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
WP has bloatware? If you don’t then I welcome you to a non bloatware phone, the Google phones. I haven’t seen bloat for the last 3 years thanks to Google. Now the other OEM’s are a different story. Also can you uninstall stock WP apps?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:49 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Please read all of it. The rest is just as great.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:21 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I love how quick the scoops on this site were, compared to the actual event! Great work, Eng-, er, Verge!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:04 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I love how quick the scoops on this site were, compared to the actual event! Great work, Eng-, er, Verge!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:04 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I thought they weren’t going to show the tablets, where were the phones? oooohhhhh…
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:04 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I thought they weren’t going to show the tablets, where were the phones? oooohhhhh…
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:04 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well written Josh, great insight.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:05 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well written Josh, great insight.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:05 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
you guys are incredible, I feel like I am reading a novel of tech I <3 the Verge
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:05 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
you guys are incredible, I feel like I am reading a novel of tech I <3 the Verge
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:05 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Can I just say, you guys are bloody machines! The sheer amount of stuff you cover in such a small amount of time is ridiculous! Also thank you, you’re awesome.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:06 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
All prebaked, but the fact that people think that Josh just typed this, and they have the access to prebake just shows how good of a job that they do. Cant wait for the new site!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Didn’t Joanna write this? I just thought this is an incredibly well written piece, especially in the short time before the real unveilling.
Well done!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:52 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted by: Joshua Topolsky on October 18, 2011 11:01 pm
Most likely a ban to post until 11:01, but my guess is Matias is not in SF right now.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:04 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Ummm, dude, this interview happened (and was written) days ago…
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:16 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
but why would google leak the device to tech journalists days before the unveil? aren’t they at all afraid of leaks? i think the device leaking out (as pictures did, but in the sense of a title on some tech blog saying “I Saw The Galaxy Nexus and ICS”) outweighs the need for an interview.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:56 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Sure, there’s always a risk, but that risk is mitigated by only choosing to conduct a handful of these interviews with trusted “names” in the industry. Not only would the interview be covered by NDA, but an even more compelling reason for someone not to blab is that these trusted interviews are few and far between. If it gets out that a person leaked, that person then becomes black-balled and could have their career threatened as no one would be willing to trust them with this type of information again.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:49 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This is how press releases work. Members of the press are invited to interviews, and to see the product. They write up their piece, but they are embargoed until a certain date. If they leak the story, they lose their invitations and opportunities to publish such in-depth pieces on the date of embargo release, for future products.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:25 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You left out the part where the company that invites them gives them all kinds of “free” stuff (tablets, laptops, phones, etc.) & host parties every night they’re there! Plus, they probably use “add-dollars” to pay-off the blog or publication the writer works for, making writing a “bad” piece about their product impossible! That’s why Apple doesn’t deal with the press at all. The competitors have created a climate where the press expects all kinds of free products or they’ll rate the company in a bad light, like they do Apple!
Posted on Oct 22, 2011 | 8:36 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well the guys are in hong kong now and this article says they caught up at the
Google campus, so I’m guessing this was written a long time ago!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:20 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
u damn exclusive machine!!!!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:06 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Fabulous interview. This is why I love the verge!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:06 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
damn, this guy is a genius
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
its the same old crap with a new curvy font.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Hater gonna hate.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Hater gonna hate.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
If you haven’t done so already, I suggest you watch the full Nexus presentation and re evaluate your opinion. ICS is not the same OS an Gingerbread or Honeycomb.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
He’s been in full on troll mode on every single ICS article. Its actually pretty hilarious.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:10 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Save your breath, this guy is the sole WP7 troll in the world.
On his 30th account or something now, you learn to recognize his “style” after a while.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:30 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
If you haven’t done so already, I suggest you watch the full Nexus presentation and re evaluate your opinion. ICS is not the same OS an Gingerbread or Honeycomb.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
atrocious POS. grid of static icons is still a grid of boring static icons.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
lemme guess, ‘herp derp windows phone mango’??
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:28 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So you’ve missed the whole “Widgets” thing the last three years, eh?
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
let me guess because android phones have worse battery lives than ios and wp7 devices and its the only one with widgets??? hrmmm… outdated and pretentious.. android is shit.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:48 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Bah, I made a rookie mistake. Don’t feed the trolls. Sorry everyone.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:49 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
you fed yourself. Bitch. Apple computer!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Apple computer!” has to be the best way to end an insult.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:21 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Apple computer!” has to be the best way to end an insult.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:21 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You claim to represent Rovio? Your professional demeanor is a disgrace! I sincerely hope your company sees this and takes appropriate action.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:12 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You claim to represent Rovio? Your professional demeanor is a disgrace! I sincerely hope your company sees this and takes appropriate action.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:12 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That doesn’t even make any sense.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
GSII had the best battery life over in Engadgets shooting test.. And the slight dip in battery life is far worth it for having the MOST capable OS.. What do you ride the bus too work? Most people have car chargers
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
GSII had the best battery life over in Engadgets shooting test.. And the slight dip in battery life is far worth it for having the MOST capable OS.. What do you ride the bus too work? Most people have car chargers
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t miss you on Engadget one bit.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:39 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t miss you on Engadget one bit.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:39 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Web OS – icons check
WP7 – icons check
iOS – icons check
Bada – icons check
BB7 – icons check
You must use a netbook
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:20 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Web OS – icons check
WP7 – icons check
iOS – icons check
Bada – icons check
BB7 – icons check
You must use a netbook
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:20 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Web OS – icons check
WP7 – icons check
iOS – icons check
Bada – icons check
BB7 – icons check
You must use a netbook
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:20 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow thats quite a lot to read but I like the direction they’re taking with the OS…Toning down the nerdity and making it more pleasurable and intuitive to use is the right move
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Josh, this is a great piece. After wading through all of the negativity in the announcement and hands-on posts, I’m glad to see some of my own feelings about how ICS can succeed expressed so cleanly here. Things like the new People app will really change the way I use my phone far more than an extra 300 mHz of processing power will, and removing barriers like the often confusing long presses and menu button functions will make this more accessible to the people that I want to share my experiences with.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Boy the People App is a cheap, cheap knock-off of the People Hub in Windows Phone… And a “Me” contact? Really? The “Me” tile is so much more than that… Android and iOS seem to be copying eachoter while WP is the only one providing an autentic, crisp UI/UX.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Except, you know, I’ve had basically that same application for the last year and a half on my Galaxy phones, long before WP7 shipped. They borrowed heavily from Samsung’s TouchWiz suite for that and a few other key ICS features.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:24 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
except that touch wiz borrowed heavily from apples ios and they wouldnt have had that idea or stolen it rather.. if apple didnt exist. APPLE IS GOOGLES GOD
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:45 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Where did apple get their notifications from?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:02 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh god really? Do we have to get this aggressive? Kindly return to the fanboy army barracks at Engadget.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:07 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
from Jesus and web os
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:10 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
From HTC, who had a notification manager customization on Windows Mobile at the beginning of 2009. Eclair dropped at the end of the year.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Notifications are in Android since 1.0(Sept 2008). But I doubt it originates in Android.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:50 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The notification panel was added in 2.0 (the one you pull down from the top bar). HTC had a similar full-screen notification manager on Windows Mobile prior to this, and it was activated by a tap on the top bar.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:19 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Please, do some research before posting.”
Same to you, buddy.
Release notes and SlashGear video(2:48) say 2008 and 1.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POI1n0v-GDA
https://sites.google.com/a/android.com/opensource/release-features—-android-1-0
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, great call. Thanks for the correction.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:36 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nope. The notification windowshade was a 1.0 feature. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-6AvCNWfZk around 5 minutes in.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:16 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I love how you tell me a feature doesn’t exist that I have on TWO phones right now, my original TMobile G1, and my Google Ion (aka HTC Magic), both running Android 1.6… with…. get this… a slide down notification screen.
SINCE 1.0. jalexoid is 100% correct.
Posted on Oct 21, 2011 | 12:23 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Jalexoid kindly corrected me already, thanks. Nice try at picking a fight though. ________________________________
Posted on Oct 21, 2011 | 12:47 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
From HTC, who had a notification manager customization on Windows Mobile at the beginning of 2009. Eclair dropped at the end of the year.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Microsoft. The way they drop down and the way you can swipe them away is exactly like the notifications in Windows Phone. Or are you confusing actual notifications with a drop-down shade that collects and aggregates them?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:03 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, because iconography is all that make up a UX, right?
TW had/has a whole lot more to it than a handful of icons that look somewhat similar to what another company used.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:06 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
someone’s sounds butt hurt. Leave me alone
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:10 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Put some shoes on and stop swinging from fire hoses. That’s so 80’s, just like that wife beater.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:17 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re kidding. right?
1. TouchWiz is Samsung, and Google has nothing to do with it.
2. It’s now official: iOS has an utterly out of date design including their embarrassingly cheesy skeuomorphic apps designed to look like cartoonized versions of real-world objects. Even Android has now passed them. Even Microsoft Windows is previewing a versions that looks and works way cooler than anything Apple has on offer.
Apple should hang their heads in shame over shipping the same old interface design they’ve been recycling since 2007 yet again. But meanwhile the 4S will still get piles of “14 out of 10! Amazing breakthrough! Best phone everz!” reviews and make Apple 50 bajillion dollars.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:13 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
But do you know why people will extoll the iPhone?? Because people LOVE Apple products and OS’s. They bond with their devices. They don’t love Android. Matias himself said so. And do you know why they don’t love Android? Because as Matias also said, Google cheated. They cut corners. They knowingly shipped inferior software, just to get it to market.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That was only related to Honeycomb. Android versions provided for mobile phones were not stated to have cut any corners. They were what Google wanted them to be.
Reading comprehension is your friend.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That was only related to Honeycomb. Android versions provided for mobile phones were not stated to have cut any corners. They were what Google wanted them to be.
Reading comprehension is your friend.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
But do you know why people will extoll the iPhone?? Because people LOVE Apple products and OS’s. They bond with their devices. They don’t love Android. Matias himself said so. And do you know why they don’t love Android? Because as Matias also said, Google cheated. They cut corners. They knowingly shipped inferior software, just to get it to market.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Agreed, I think a lot of Galaxy S users will see the similarities- Touchwiz IMO was a good skin that actually enhanced Android. Now the real question- what will the manufacturer skins of ICS look like?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:10 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Here’s to hoping mfg skins don’t exist!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Here’s to hoping mfg skins don’t exist!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I hate to imagine Motoblur on top of ICS.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:19 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So many android fanboys believe what you say, so sad. It’s indeed a knock-off of WP’s well executed people’s hub. Touchwiz? Touchwiz was just being developed in depth as Windows Phone’s first iteration was released so WP had it first.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:50 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Huh, what? Might want to check your Farmer’s Almanac there boyo.
I bought my first Galaxy S in June 2010, with TouchWiz 3.0 (count ‘em, that’s three, I say, three iterations, son) and it had 90% of the contact integration that Hugo showed off today. It only falls short on Google + support, a service that didn’t exist in 2010.
WP7 didn’t release until November 2010, and it had a shadow of the contacts functionality my SGS did. I know this from personal experience, since I bought a HTC Surround on launch day.
I also sold that less than a week later, but that’s another story.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:42 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You’d be well informed to know that “me” has been a Gmail feature since ever, replying to all with your email listed. It is simply an extension of the concept into the Android ecosystem and People. Good gracious they just told you the Android machine has a soul. It should see people and not data points called contacts no.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:30 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Looking forward to the marketing campaign of the Verizon’s first killer ICS Droid device – “a machine with a soul.” Maybe it will shoot to wound?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:23 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Has a soul, but still a machine…..
Perhaps it will set its phaser to “stun”? corny——yes.
Posted on Nov 04, 2011 | 4:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Designed to appeal to “generation Me” no doubt.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
ios is not copying android.. How dare you.. stay in your circle low app haver!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
ios is not copying android.. How dare you.. stay in your circle low app haver!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah right like I’m going to take your unbiased opinion seriously.
Not when I read this on your Facebook page “Platform Strategy Advisor at Microsoft”.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:52 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Get lost, dude.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:29 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So Android now has a soul because of a new font while killing off the hideous Droid Sans?
It’s amazing that Duarte is talking about typography when Android only had support for three fonts and the ‘Roboto’ font is oddly similar to the one used in WM7.
Many of the features in ICS seemed to be just catching up to competitors. The only nod I’ll give is to the new camera features and Beam, though people haven’t really had any difficulties in sharing files.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Duarte seems very likeable. I personally think he’s great – I’ve been a webOS admirer since its inception. It was a great article too, but to me, something just doesn’t add up.
The vision he describes doesn’t seem to match his product. I mean, if you want to bad mouth the competition, at least have something you can show. Microsoft and Apple are pursuing the extremities in search of a natural user interface, he is correct in saying that. One is oversimplified, though I should note that the better apps are ones which in fact do Metro right – and when done right, I don’t think his claims of have any weight. iOS goes for the hyper-realistic feel, which is actually great for the average consumer.
Does Duarte honestly think that his UI is the one which allows users to best express themselves? Android does not come with basic colour customization baked in AFAIK. Users are immediately forced to either stick with blue or go hunting for a theme. This is in direct contradiction to the interview – he is not letting users express themselves with the best OOBE. Of course, you can argue that Android has superior customization in the long haul. You’d be correct, but that was possible pre-ICS. Put simply, moot point.
And on to the actual UI. Sorry, but I have to disagree with Duarte. I know that design can often be very subjective, and perhaps this is the greatest downfalling. I personally (as a hobbyist) went through a “glowing-blue” phase in around 2008, when Vista was around. I made themes and such for Windows, but I am way over that phase now. This is what I would say if I was to try and simulate a regular consumer:
The Metro UI is the most jarring. It is a rapid departure from real-life interaction and really attacks you with the notion that this is a computer, and you are now in the digital world. Apple is on the opposite end of that spectrum – users can immediately feel like “at home”, despite how sad it might seem. By pursuing a middle ground, Google doesn’t appear to have reaped the rewards of either approach.
I’m honestly concerned about the look. I know that neon blue could attract some normal users, since it implies futuristic and such. But it’s a very abstract notion, and doesn’t come off as the best way they could have designed around the legacy that they inevitably have to carry. It might work in an ideal situation, but Google is not in one.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:33 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
> iOS goes for the hyper-realistic feel, which is actually great for the average consumer.
Have you seen Find My Friends? It’s just plain tacky. It’s an embarrassment.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:55 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
To you, as an above average user. I feel the whole iOS look is tacky, but I can understand its appeal. ________________________________
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
To you, as an above average user. I feel the whole iOS look is tacky, but I can understand its appeal. ________________________________
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
To you, as an above average user. I feel the whole iOS look is tacky, but I can understand its appeal. ________________________________
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Look at the Gmail app on Android and look at Gmail on all other platforms. That’s why Android is winning. The fastest growing e-mail is best executed on Android.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
There are many good reasons Android is winning, but the one you present is relevant to such a minuscule denomination that it’s not even worth mentioning. The “fastest growing e-mail” is also a pretty average point – according to Microsoft, Windows Phone has the fastest growing app store. It’s all about perceptions and implications. At the end of the day, iOS leads in apps, and Hotmail leads in mail. That’s all there is to it.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:36 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Matias tells me that starting with Android 4.0, users can uninstall any application they like, such as the native browser or email client — and that seems to go for carrier software as well.”
no more carrier bloatware hopefuly
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:11 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“no more carrier bloatware hopefuly”
uh its open source, that would make it impossible to restrict bloatware. the carriers can add a virus to android if they want to
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
google could remove their android market licence if they dont follow their rules.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
verizon has a v-cast app store for the day that comes. amazon already deleted the marketplace from their devices.
noone wants to follow googles rules if u havent noticed by now
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:04 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t think you understand.
While anybody can put android on their phone (or any other device for that matter), Google only provides it’s services for the manufacturers/phones that it approves. They have to follow a strict set of guidelines or they won’t get apps like the android marketplace on their phone.
Amazon didn’t delete the marketplace, since they didn’t want Google’s services on it in the first place they probably never even ran it by them.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I meant that now it is removable. So it is basically like having no bloatware
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:31 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Your the only bloatware on the internet that I know of.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
snizzap!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:47 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Its not even truly open source though. You dont have to root open source operating systems.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
you have no idea what you are talking about…
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:47 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
yes I do u I work for rovio. I’m a coder
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:53 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Clearly your work as a coder doesn’t cover system deployment or open source licensing / philosophy. I could totally deploy a collection of completely open source thin clients to a company which give no super user privileges to the users. In these consumer facing nexus android devices Google is your sys admin. Now you can choose on these devices to fob off Google and become your own admin but they reserve the right to deny you support once you take the device outside their design scope.
Seems fair to me and in no way violates the tenets of open source.
Now the manufacturers and their hardware drivers and device restrictions on the other hand….
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:35 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
maybe, but open source has nothing to do with rooting. just that the source code of the OS is made public and for everybody to use.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:07 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, and Honeycomb source was never made public. Hence it is not open source. QED.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
well, i hope you are not the open-source reference at rovio.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 5:35 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m the reason angry birds took so long to get to android. Me and the fragmentation. Mostly the fragmentation. Fuckin second raters
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You are an arrogant prick!!!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:38 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Please don’t feed the troll.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:56 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I hope Rovio fires you
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:19 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I highly doubt someone who doesn’t know what open source is actually works as a coder. He is probably just some kid in his moms basement who trolls all day long.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:08 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Or working on Android, not making difference between open source and patented sw.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I highly doubt someone who doesn’t know what open source is actually works as a coder. He is probably just some kid in his moms basement who trolls all day long.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:08 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I dont care what you hope for.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL NOOB
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
What
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:56 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Android is open source, that means manufacturers can take it and modify it however they want.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:46 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
No its not. I’d like to see you do all the things you can do on a rooted droid on a non rooted one. Rooting is like an admin pass that let’s you then access a sourced system. Not an open source system. Get it right fa(n)(g)droid
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:02 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I know what rooting is. Open source is not the same as rooting.
Open source again means that manufacturers are allowed to take and modify the operating system however they want and do whatever they want with it.
Rooting gives the user Superuser privilages that essentially let the user do almost anything they were restricted to before (such as installing a tethering app that needs su to run)
I hate it when people don’t get something and then feel the need to be assholes about it.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:07 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Ugh you don’t get it tl;dr
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:18 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Then explain it.
And explain in the mean time why rooting and open source aren’t used interchangeably.
Heck, you probably think that rooting is the same thing as having an unlocked bootloader.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:46 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
TheAndroid1 is really correct on this one. Its like how you can’t freely edit what makes up ubuntu, even though it based off linux, which is open source.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:59 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes you can. There are several Ubuntu based distros and you can also freely edit android to your hearts content.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes you can. There are several Ubuntu based distros and you can also freely edit android to your hearts content.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Your clearly just an idiotic troll. Why don’t you take your crap back over to engadget. BTW Ubuntu is open source and you are not given root privileges when you first install it. Granted all you have to do is type “passwd root ******” and set a password. I can’t actually think of a single modern operating system open or not that gives the user root access off the bat. That would just be stupid, like you.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Tl;dr
John “Zabba” McLean
The Blank Factory
562.328.9788
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:40 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Your clearly just an idiotic troll. Why don’t you take your crap back over to engadget. BTW Ubuntu is open source and you are not given root privileges when you first install it. Granted all you have to do is type “passwd root ******” and set a password. I can’t actually think of a single modern operating system open or not that gives the user root access off the bat. That would just be stupid, like you.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You have clearly no idea… Or you are just trolling…
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:10 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
What does rooting have to do with manufacturer’s ability to modify Android as they see fit?
And you might want to read up what open-source means.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:40 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
and then pay Microsoft royalties for each device they sell! Yeay open source!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:07 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Manufacturers pay Microsoft royalties because of patents that basically are infringed by the Linux kernel used in Android. The reason they don’t go after Linux is because it would create too much bad-will and since that would be a bad business decision for other reasons, not because they don’t think it doesn’t infringe on their copyright.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:57 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Actually the reason they don’t go after Linux is because it is distributed freely and creates no revenue in and of itself. So, no matter what percent they try to take from them it will always equal 0$. Even distros like Red Hat are free. The companies that charge for linux are actually selling support contracts. The reason they go after android device manufactures is because of the immense market share they have gained.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:17 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Actually the reason they don’t go after Linux is because it is distributed freely and creates no revenue in and of itself. So, no matter what percent they try to take from them it will always equal 0$. Even distros like Red Hat are free. The companies that charge for linux are actually selling support contracts. The reason they go after android device manufactures is because of the immense market share they have gained.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:17 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
And you don’t need to root Android. Anyone can download it and build a device or do with it what they want. That’s open.
The manufactures take this open software and change it… including locking and encrypting bootloaders, putting carrier software in the system partition, changing the UI, UX, and launchers and sells it. When you buy a device other than purely stock AOSP, you aren’t buying an Android device – you are buying a customized version that is no longer open source.
Get it?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:16 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
What do you mean by not truly open source? Can you elaborate?
The only things non open-source I can think off are google apps. And honestly that’s perfectly fine.
Unlike honeycomb, ICS source code will be released.
Reminder : Andy Rubin’s definition of open :
“mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make”
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:40 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Unfortunately, that won’t work since the repo is down.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:53 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Since it’s GIT, I’m sure someone has a clone somewhere.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:42 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I bet there’s clones in the thousands.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:53 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’d appreciate if someone posted just one. I’ve tried a couple posted on G+, but it’s missing a lot and won’t build AOSP.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You can stop searching : the source code is back online :
http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/browse_thread/thread/23094426d1352ec2?pli=1
Google decided to host AOSP on their servers : it was “taxing and not fair” for kernel.org
(gitweb and Gerrit Code Review will be both available latter).
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 7:57 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
If you install Linux, an open source operating system, you set up a root password in the process. Should you need root access, you can log in as root. Or run commands with su if you need to escalate.
Android works like Linux does, but with no direct access to root. It has nothing to do with open source – it’s like if you created a user account for your friend, and then did not allow them to know a root or admin password so they could not install software or modify system files. That is why you need to “root” an android device.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:57 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
1. As an admin on windows you have root privileges on a non open source OS, so those two terms are not interchangeable or even similar!
2. Android is open source (up to 2.3.x, probably will be again in version 4.x). BUT! Google’s apps like Market, Gmail, Maps etc. are not.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:51 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Its not even truly open source though. You dont have to root open source operating systems.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This is copied from WP OS too…part of the flexibility of the OS/UX from the beginning was that any app (bloatware) can be removed.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:43 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You can remove IE?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Never heard of it. Oh, you mean that Airport lavatory signage OS.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:30 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes that same OS that will surpass Android and iOS soon enough. That Matiras w.e guy is full of nonsense
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:47 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
WP sucks. Consumers don’t care about an OS that doesn’t have any apps.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
feeling a little insecure?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:38 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Delusional much? Although, I do agree it will surpass iOS and Android in the Airport Lavatory Signage sector.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:27 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s not a bad OS, but if you really think it’s gonna pass Android and iOS, you’re crazy..
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
What the hell are you on? They copied the ability to remove any app you want from WP? Are you insane? How can WP claim that?
That post had to be satirical.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:35 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re an idiot, Windows Phone allows you to remove everything the Carrier puts on it. Now sthu.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:46 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That has nothing to do with the fact that WP didn’t invent the idea of uninstalling applications. It’s not some amazing idea that needed to be copied, it was just a common sense thing that they thought needed to be fixed. The ability to remove any app on the phone isn’t something that could be patented; it isn’t a novel idea.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
iPhone doesn’t even have bloatware.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey doesn’t Windows Phone already allow that? Yup it sure does, welcome to that party Android.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:44 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
From what I can tell you are saying that WP 7 is much better because it has one orignal feature, the ability to uninstall things. It’s a shame there aren’t more Windows Phone apps for you to uninstall.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Dude the Zune Marketplace has 30,000+ apps (one of the fastest growing and more profitable markets), did I even mention the word better here? Did I mention that removable carrier apps are the only original feature of WP? All I highlighted was hey Android welcome to “that” party.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:04 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
No way. A whole 30,000? Thats amazing. Do you think you could uninstall them all?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:08 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Clearly you’re an android troll, I’m done.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:25 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This is the funniest thing I’ve read all day :D
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
My problem with Windows Phone is that its tied to Bing and Hotmail. Two services I don’t use.
Bing Search and Maps are utterly horrible outside the USA. Google is so far ahead I can’t even imagine how MS will catch up.
As for Hotmail/Windows Live Mail, who really uses it anymore?
I’d consider WP7 if they let me change the default search enginer, the default map provider and the default email service. That OS with Google’s backend might be something.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 11:01 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
wow, as someone who is in love with WP7 and will probably use one until microsoft shoots themselves in the foot by not innovating, I am blown away by ICS. In a way it is still pretty much the same android we know, but with a more natural way of doing things. Its kinda what I felt with WP7 but ICS does it differently.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:11 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice Tracy Kidder reference there. Gives you a sense of how seriously G takes what it’s doing.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:11 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Things that I am immediately glad for as both a user and a developer:
1) The menu key is dead: you never knew when to tap it as there were always hidden items.
2) Google has finally come up with a stock user interface for developers to model off of. When I ported my iOS app to Android, I was infuriated by the lack of anything more than simple basic UI elements to work with. As such, I spent a lot more time working on the UI than I would have liked.
Now what I am really hoping for is that UI skins for Android die a fiery death so that software updates can roll out faster. Manufacturers can work on adding value to their phones with additional apps, but please for the love of God, stop mucking around with the core OS!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
the menu key should have been dead 4 years ago. its the most pointless POS ever. ICS will not make its way to current phones until 2013
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:19 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
When are you right about anything????
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:43 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The Galaxy Nexus will be a current phone in early November.
Who gives a fuck about the current phones on the market?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:36 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The millions of people who own them? I don’t have an android phone but if I did, I’d sure be pissed off if I was expected to buy a new phone every time I wanted a software update.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:38 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The millions of people who own them? I don’t have an android phone but if I did, I’d sure be pissed off if I was expected to buy a new phone every time I wanted a software update.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:38 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Me. I need a phone with a physical keyboard. Nexus Prime? Not so much with the keyboard.
So there’s still nothing better than the Droid 3 out there in Verizon-land. And it would be nice if I could get ICS on one before the middle of next year.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I care that this is a pure Android phone. For me it represents the phone I will buy to replace the N1.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 1:36 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
No, it’s not. A menu key could ideally be utilised to summon the “chrome” of an app – for example, a browser could be full-screen, and a press of the menu button would reveal the top status bar and a bar of controls at the bottom. Think of the possibilities if every app could have full-screen content, not disrupted by the constraints of settings that are necessary for the app.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:39 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
CM9 will be out in about 4 months I’d guess. They and other AOSP ROMs have a much larger (and growing) base than you might think.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:20 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
They have a much smaller base than you would think after reading so much about them. CM9 is not a solution to the average consumer, and Matias is obviously talking about fulfilling the needs of him/her – not the geek.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:25 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The average consumer with a “legacy” device will have no choice but to install a custom ROM because their carrier/manufacturer will no longer supported them. That incumbent installed base is MUCH larger than anything that has come out recently. The only other option would be to fork out additional cash for the latest news and greatest, and not an option for most of us.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:01 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The average consumer does not install a custom ROM because he/she is not aware of it or does not want to take the risk. I still see HD2s around running Windows Mobile 6.5, and take a look at the percentage of phones that are not on Gingerbread.
The number of people who actually install custom ROMs and such are a ridiculously small (yet vocal) minority. It is a flaw with the Android ecosystem to not force support for a reasonable amount of time, and the average consumer suffers.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:39 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s why google created the Android Update Alliance.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Is that why 60% of Android devices are not on Honeycomb/Gingerbread? ________________________________
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 12:15 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Actually, that vocal minority is very powerful and its influence goes way outside the numbers of just who installs a custom ROM.
One, its a resource to be tapped by the manufactures who needed talent to deal with some of the problems Android has had: specifically the speed at which a manufacturer and carrier can go from source to their branded skins. Touch Wiz etc is just a custom ROM after all.
Two, This can easily be seen as Samsung delivered test phones to the CyanogenMod Team, then later hired Steve Kondik.
The carriers and manufacturers have had to learn what it means to be part of an open source platform. It is not a flaw in the ecosystem, it has been a flaw with the carriers and manufacturers who expected to get away with we telling its customers we can’t do something that has been proven to be untrue in the rooted community.
Apple can’t claim a very vocal Jail Breaking community in the same way Android’s rooted community has influence. Part of that is because that isn’t how Apple rolls, but part of it is that one of open sources strengths is being open creates a talent pool to draw from.
I wouldn’t call it a flaw in the ecosystem, but I do think its a drawback because it has taken so long for the carriers and manufacturers to understand the nature of open source.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 1:33 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Hiring a hacker? We’ve absolutely seen what has come out of that. Giving hackers free phones? Of course, no other company has ever given away free phones. Also, great to know that they gave them the tools to develop CM – oh yes, they are developing CM. The average user DOESN’T GIVE A DARN.
Also, I don’t see how either of those actions equate to Samsung embracing open source. Microsoft is working with Chevron to create a jailbreak solution, and “rewarded” them for the initial unlock.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 7:10 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, you obviously don’t understand open source. You imply something criminal with your use of “hacker” because there are custom ROMs being built from the distribution of the open source code.
My point wasn’t “it’s okay because look at Samsung” which you retort “Nobody else has.” My point is that these carriers and manufacturers are adopting a different model which includes open source and their business models are adjusting because of it.
By the way, what have we seen absolutely come out of this? You infer something negative and haven’t shed any light on your meaning.
Other companies? Google is buying out Motorola, so this company will have plenty of Android talent. Sony attempted to hire Koush, but the offer was declined. Its not like their isn’t interest brewing over the talent pool available in open source.
My point is about the impact being bigger than the numbers of downloads on a custom ROM.
Microsoft has a long history of working with “hackers” in order to patch security holes in their products. Also they are very good at getting people involved in their products, but their methods to do so are very different. So what’s your point?
In a very direct today sort of way, yes the average consumer doesn’t see the impact. In the bigger picture? These ROMs are making impact.
Posted on Oct 21, 2011 | 4:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Microsoft did not work with them to patch security holes, Microsoft is working with them to create an unlocking tool for legitimate homebrew.
Google is buying out Motorola either for patents (to use, or because Motorola was threatening to use them) or to have some premium flagships. I don’t see how that has anything to do with open source.
I use hacker since I have been a member of XDA from the WinMo days and hence the name has stuck. “Development and Hacking”. Too bad you make inferences.
I am saying that hires and such have not brought some huge impact, such as Samsung providing super-easy, certified ROM flashing. It’s neutral, which is negative when you’re trying to use it as evidence.
Companies are simply hiring talent they see from homebrew. I don’t see how you can draw a single definitive line towards open source with this.
Posted on Oct 21, 2011 | 11:58 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The average consumer does not install a custom ROM because he/she is not aware of it or does not want to take the risk. I still see HD2s around running Windows Mobile 6.5, and take a look at the percentage of phones that are not on Gingerbread.
The number of people who actually install custom ROMs and such are a ridiculously small (yet vocal) minority. It is a flaw with the Android ecosystem to not force support for a reasonable amount of time, and the average consumer suffers.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:39 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
My point is that there base is shockingly quite large. And this doesn’t even include the people who who don’t say yes to the CM reporting app.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:38 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree that CM has done an amazing job – such cross-device development was unheard of in the WinMo days. However, its relevance to the majority of those 550 000 per day? Slightly less.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 7:11 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
My point is that there base is shockingly quite large. And this doesn’t even include the people who who don’t say yes to the CM reporting app.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:38 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
My point is that there base is shockingly quite large. And this doesn’t even include the people who who don’t say yes to the CM reporting app.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:38 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Sorry but I’m not impressed by Android 4.0… grid of icons, not intuitive, geeky… I’ll stick to Windows Phone 7.5. Thanks…
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
How many accounts do you have??
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
how much of a life dont u have
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:05 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
They guy actually works for Microsoft. I am suppose to respect is opinion about Android?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:06 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, or else I should not respect Duarte’s opinion of Windows Phone and iOS>
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:40 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The difference is the Matias doesn’t talk trash about both of them.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:42 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That was not your original point, so don’t try and redact it now. Matias is obviously more well-mannered than this apparent Microsoft employee (if true, I feel sorry for the company), but he still laughs off the efforts of his competitors. So, depends on your perception of “talking trash”.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:43 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Er-r-r, oh yes he does. “Atari 2600”, “faux wood paneling”, “airport lavatory signage”…
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:19 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL, I think those comments were directed at Android OEM’s. Here is the HTC Sense theme picker, look at that faux wood paneling: http://www.hotfilesdownload.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/dc6b2010capromo2.png.png
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The IBooks bookshelf is probably the faux wood he was referring to. Still not as heinous, though, as the rich corinthian leather of Find My Friends.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:49 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Being a user of stock android for the past 3 years, an iOS user and also having watched Josh’s first interview, I’m pretty sure he is talking about android skins and not one app on iOS. That’s why I like this guy.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That is actually a very interesting perspective. So you think that Josh totally misinterpreted his points? That said, I still feel like it can’t be a coincidence in the context that it was presented in the article. “Airport lavatory signage” doesn’t really go with any Android skin, which would then lend credibility to the argument that he was talking trash about Apple as well.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 7:18 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You have to also watch Josh’s first interview from early this year.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 8:12 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I actually watched that one, which is why I was shocked at those comments. I don’t quite see Josh to be so blatantly wrong as you are suggesting, though. ________________________________
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 8:16 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Being a user of stock android for the past 3 years, an iOS user and also having watched Josh’s first interview, I’m pretty sure he is talking about android skins and not one app on iOS. That’s why I like this guy.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL, I think those comments were directed at Android OEM’s. Here is the HTC Sense theme picker, look at that faux wood paneling: http://www.hotfilesdownload.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/dc6b2010capromo2.png.png
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Grid of tiles with live wallpapers, animations, widgets, virtual buttons, any dock and picture/icon your mind can create….etc etc..
If you’re going to oversimplify Android’s design as simply a “grid of icons”, how can you not consider your WP7 as simply a boring grid of tiles?
BTW I do like WP7, not hating on it.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:43 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Did you just refer to Android of all things as a “grid of icons” ??? The one OS that actually isnt just a grid of icons or “tiles”…lmfao ok…take off the blinders buddy.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
ROTFLMFAO Look at his Facebook page, he works for Microsoft, what a commenting noob.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:50 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I highly doubt that. Not even Microsoft would hire that mental midget.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:32 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
you want a cookie now? Disrespect must be high on your resume
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:55 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I only disrespect trolls.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:33 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Even I have a million and one problems with his arguments, but what you did is nothing short of embarrassing. The last time I checked, stalking is not cool and Facebook is not the source of all knowledge.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:42 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The tiles are live not “static” They are also not just silos they actually provide integration and connectivity between related stuff which makes the experience smoother and more efficient than Android will ever be now.-I don’ care if facebook….works at MS I am an actual user telling you this.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:55 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“more efficient than Android will ever be”
Are you from the future?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:53 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Will ever be """"now"""" goodsir.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:49 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
touché
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:45 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So you mean the tiles do what widgets do?? Ok good to know. And those tiles are still gonna be stuck there, in the same shape, same layout, etc..forever.
I really like Windows Phone. But to say that Android is the OS with a static grid of icons is completely idiotic. WP isnt as static as iOS, but it might as well be compared to the customization options in Android. You are an “actual user” who apparently doesnt know the definition of the words ‘static’ or ‘grid’…since i can customize all 7 of android home screens with out a single icon if i wanted to.
If they had dropped the ball on ICS, i might have gone WP7.5. But looks like they are nailing it. If you like WP fine, but you dont have to invent things about Android to try to convince others.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:17 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Did you just refer to Android of all things as a “grid of icons” ??? The one OS that actually isnt just a grid of icons or “tiles”…lmfao ok…take off the blinders buddy.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Good for you troll. Now get back to you Airport lavatory signage OS.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:31 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Would be nice if you could express your points with coherent English, especially when trying to relay a retort.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:27 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Do I need to recall some of your questionable retorts, dookey?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:30 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Considering I don’t recall your username at all, are you going to stalk me or have you already been doing so? ________________________________
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Considering I don’t recall your username at all, are you going to stalk me or have you already been doing so? ________________________________
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey, now. What’s so bad about “Push button, receive bacon”?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks for letting us know.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:51 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Steve Ballmer said “Only a computer scientist would use Android”. To that I would reply “Only a loyal Microsoft employee uses Windows Phone 7.”
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
not bad but very disappointing about some features that just didn’t work like face unlock…
the
nfc features its not that impressive… When i saw the APP i was like
WAO APP SHARING but then i realize NO its too good to be true… while
it looks great and its a lot of potential i find it symbian belle like
in many aspects even NFC….
The camera at 5 mpx its very low and i
dont think it will beat iphone 4s or even galaxy S II camera which its
disappointing if we take into account that this its google and android
flagship phone.
The magazine view its so Metro UI like but its not bad it fit very well.
And
the way they ended the conference i mean seriously, this guys need to
copy more other hi techs companies with conference like sony, microsoft
nintendo or apple.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Goddamn it I love this site.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Goddamn it I love this site.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
wow.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
wow.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
How the eff did you type this so quickly? and, I thought I was a fast typer! Not to mention the 100% best article I have read all day!!!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
How the eff did you type this so quickly? and, I thought I was a fast typer! Not to mention the 100% best article I have read all day!!!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Really? I can’t say if you are sarcastic or not. The interview was obviously done beforehand (in Google HQ, not Hong Kong) . Thus, giving him ample time to write the article. He just pushed “Post” today.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:39 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Really? I can’t say if you are sarcastic or not. The interview was obviously done beforehand (in Google HQ, not Hong Kong) . Thus, giving him ample time to write the article. He just pushed “Post” today.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:39 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great stuff! I like this long, thought out piece on the cusp of the embargo – well timed!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great stuff! I like this long, thought out piece on the cusp of the embargo – well timed!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
congrats joshua its truly an incredible interview, great job! it was a good read
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:16 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Time to trade in the palm shirt for a Google shirt… SPRINT where ya at?
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:16 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, this is definitely the future of smartphone OSes right here…
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
this will be revolutionary, a game changer to be sure. i havent been this excited about the user experience since webOS first came out
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great interview and article Josh.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great interview and article Josh.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It makes me sad to hear that this guy had to go to Google to do what he wanted to do with WebOs. Soooo when is this coming to the Galaxy S II?
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:19 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Never. Look out for the Galaxy S III
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:50 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I like what they have done with Ice Cream Sandwich, it seems like I’m in the minority. Doesn’t matter though I still like it.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:19 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks for the article!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
great interview, great article. thanks!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I really like ICS, and the queues they took from WP7 are nice. Its like a middle ground hybrid between WP7 and iOS. Though I love my WP7, unless the Focus S or the new Nokia’s are spectacular, i might buy me a Prime.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:21 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Josh just pwned journalism
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:21 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
well played sir!
And i agree.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:30 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
No he didn’t, he just channeled a bit of Rolling Stone and Playboy. :)
You need to read more, offline. :)
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:07 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This looks quite promising. I’m curious to see if Google is finally able to force carriers not to ruin the software experience, as Apple has done.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:22 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Josh’s articles always tend to be my favorites and this is no exception. Beautifully done
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:22 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Honestly, this is the the types of discussions I’ve been waiting to hear from Google. It’s an intelligent design discussion about real solutions/philosphies to an OS that has just basically been a feature race. His presence at Google is being felt by everyone who is using their products. Though I’m not in love with the home screen, the apps they showed, the flow, animations, perceptions from this article, all seem to be leading Android down the right path. I’ll still pick it as my go-to OS, but this is Android growing up, but holding on to what makes it Android.
Great piece Josh, and above and beyond the quality (or lack of) discussions circulating tech blogs. This was as much of a pleasure to read as watching the liveblog, if not more. Excited for Android going forward and to pick one of these up.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:23 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow. Fantastic read. Thanks Josh !
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:24 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I still feel like Android isn’t “whole” yet. And it’s just a very polished breaking machine.
If you want “soul” look to Siri. If you want innovation look at WP7.
Just because he created cards in WebOS doesn’t mean the magic is still there when it’s flipped on its side for Android.
That said, ICS looks pretty nice. Not enough to take me away from my iPhone, but I can appreciate what they’re doing now.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:24 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
What about Siri is “soul” to you? The app isn’t new, nor is the concept, but it is a nice implementation in the OS. That type of experience exists outside iOS. I don’t really see that being the “soul” of iOS. iOS’s soul is derived from a design requirement of putting the user first. It’s beyond a feature race and more about getting out of the way and bringing you as a user in. That focus is felt throughout iOS, is missing in WP7, and has been completely absent from Android. I don’t think ICS is changing all that in one big update, but you can see the shift of focus. It’s also puts Honeycomb into a new light. Honeycomb was a weird departure from Android that seemed to make little sense. I think a lot of that came from all the corners they cut when they made it. It was rushed and a hack job. What they intended to put out there is now clear in 4.0. Borrowing great ideas, adding great ideas, and refining what is a great building block for an OS. It’s not the future now, but the article does give you a good feeling of what the future will be for Android.
If you read his part about WP7 it’s kind of right. I think WP7 looks fantastic, he’s got a point about forcing the design language so much that the content isn’t taking front stage. A lot of time I spend looking at WP7 it’s at the clipped text, the symbols, animations, but not so much about the content.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:07 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree on almost all of your points except I’m confused as to how you don’t see Siri as “soul” of a mobile device.
For me personally, when I think soul, I think living. When I think living, I think people. Giving your phone a voice and a pseudo-personality is soul. I’ve always felt much more connected to my iPhone than I did my Droid 2, or my Palm Pre/Pixi. This is true even without ever using Siri, but if Google wants to capture that attachment that people feel with an iPhone for their devices it’s going to take more than admitting Honeycomb was rushed and then saying this version wasn’t.
That’s the game we’ve been hearing from the beginning it’s always the NEXT version of Android that will complete the picture. Never the current one, to me as a consumer, that’s frustrating.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:33 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
He said its not complete yet during the presentation. He laid out 3 goals of Android and said that ICS fills the first one.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:12 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Right, and I hope things really get turned up. Like I said, Ice Cream Sandwich is nice, but even with all the tweaking it just seems like a future-esque version of Gingerbread.
He talked about how people felt Android devices were too complex. I feel like that’s an issue stemming from the core foundation of Android, which is also why all of us techy type people love it. I just really hope they pull it together, that’s all.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:37 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Im sorry, call me a fan boy if you want (im not, fyi) but i did not get excited watching iOS 5 or the 4S get announced. I’m genuinely looking forward to this phone and Android 4.0. Cant wait.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:26 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m a reasonably intelligent person, but serious I’m not getting this guy. His thought process is pretty diffuse, and he uses big words. I guess Android is never going to be about simplicity.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:26 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Android might not be for you and you know what? Its very ok. You see, there’s a segment of the populace that is just thrilled at something “different”. I suspect a majority of the fans of technology on sites like these fall into that category.
N/b: I love the iOS/Android/Windows 7 competition. Shit like this makes me sit back and experience genius designers bicker bicker back and forth. You know what’s even more funny? They almost never agree because “design” and “appeal” are so goddamn subjective. And this, my friend, is very very good. evil laugh. Consumer = me, win!!!!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
there should be a way to give people a reward on the internet for having a brain. Its so rare. Congrats!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:39 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
there should be a way to give people a reward on the internet for having a brain. Its so rare. Congrats!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:39 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I will be interested to hear Josh’s opinion in a week or twos tme. When he is away from the hype and Mattias’ charisma.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I wonder the same. Tech writers fell over themselves to congratulate Google on Honeycomb and now they rip it apart when they realized no one else liked it.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:34 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Don’t get me wrong. I want ICS to be great, and it certainly looks pretty good.
But Josh sounds like he was caught up in a Mattias Reality Distortion Field a bit there.
I just want to hear his opinion when things are calmer and level headed.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I think the contradictory views that have cropped up from the hands-on seem to indicate cracks are already poking through. Having an experience and vision laid out in front of you by its creator will naturally instil more excitement than having the actual product in your hands.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:31 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I think the contradictory views that have cropped up from the hands-on seem to indicate cracks are already poking through. Having an experience and vision laid out in front of you by its creator will naturally instil more excitement than having the actual product in your hands.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:31 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Don’t get me wrong. I want ICS to be great, and it certainly looks pretty good.
But Josh sounds like he was caught up in a Mattias Reality Distortion Field a bit there.
I just want to hear his opinion when things are calmer and level headed.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The funny thing is I’m almost certain was written about a week or two ago. There was a podcast about two weeks back that was crazy late was because Josh’s flight to SF was delayed, he later tweeted a pic of the Googleplex, and I presume he got a behind the scenes tour which is when this interview happened. Clearly he wasn’t aloud to say anything which is why he didn’t mention anything on the recent podcasts and why this wasn’t posted until now.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yup. Now you say that, it makes sense.
No way this could have been written in a matter of an hour. or two.
Oh well, let’s hear what the bearded man says on the podcast.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:11 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks for the great interview. Matias Duarte, like Aza Raskin and a few others, is a rockstar in UI circles. I, for one, love the simplicity and consistency he brought to Ice Cream Sandwich.
And, in case anyone was wondering…here’s the Pulitzer Prize winning book he’s referencing: http://www.amazon.com/Soul-New-Machine-Tracy-Kidder/dp/0316491977/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_3 I read it in Engineering school. HIGHLY recommended.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Boy this guy Matias is overconfident, pedantic and condescending.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
And he just shit all over your employer…microsoft. Enjoy your hatorade.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
he knows there is a void in the world for it now that jobs is dead, and is aiming to fill some shoes
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:02 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So basically like most truly brilliant persons out there?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:33 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
People said the same thing about Steve Jobs and Bill Gates….just saying.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 11:21 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So they still try to copy Apple: simplicity, soul, enchantment, no hidden menus, interface consistency in every smallest/deepest detail, typography…
Even presentation in HK focused on the same topics Apple considers important.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
just zip it
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:25 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
. "There’s this thing that’s happening right now in user interface design that I find kind of shackling. The faux wood paneling trend, and the airport lavatory signage trend….It’s an obvious dig at both Apple and Microsoft.,,,. "Right now if you look at all of these applications that are designed in this real-objecty, faux wood paneling, faux brushed metal, faux jelly button kind of thing… if you step back and you really look at them, they look kind of juvenile. They’re not photorealistic, they’re illustrations."Did you miss this?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:52 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It would be nice if google worked on the fundamental issues in android first – putting video acceleration in place, and eliminating the laggy response in android for user’s touch events and gestures.
A big part of user experience is responsiveness.Matias talks a good game (studied at the altar of Steve Jobs), but until those areas are fixed, Android’s still not as good (in a fundamental way) then either IOS or WP7.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:30 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
2D and 3D acceleration is possible now. The below video doesn’t look smooth to you? Looks extremely fluid to me.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/18/samsung-galaxy-nexus-hands-on/
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:33 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Sorry Josh, but I’ll wait for Vlad’s opinion on the camera.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve loved Matias’ work since Danger, so I’m especially giddy to see him work on something that I already love.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:30 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I will not be impressed until Android apps have the same quality as iPhone apps. So far, Google seems to have caught up everywhere else.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:31 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
What quality? I own an IPOd touch and droid x the apps are the same
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:15 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
you must be on crack then, sorry.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:02 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
A year ago you’d be right. Today? Not so much. The apps really are catching up on Android.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 11:32 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
"I came here because they’re winning, but also because I could not stand the thought of there being another decade of being trapped in one paradigm, of being trapped in the past just because somebody manages to grab maximum marketshare, and then that’s the thing everybody uses with incremental evolution."
Matias has Cupertino square in his sights and he’s not afraid to let you know about it. I really like this kid…
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:31 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yup. Last week when everyone was asking who the next Steve Jobs was? Well i think we found him!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:48 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Only Steve Jobs can be Steve Jobs & nor should there be. These up and comers should blaze their own trail.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You mean Scott Forstall? LOL
Okay I kid. I don’t know if this guy is the next Steve Jobs, though I genuinely like him and think he’s brilliant. It’s clear though that he’s definitely bringing a Steve Jobs like element to Android.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 11:15 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yup. This interface looks much better than any of the previous android interfaces.
I bought a hp touchpad in the firesale and it scores over iOS in a few places especially notifications and synergy. With webos almost certainly on its way out glad to see android giving iOS some much needed completion and getting serious about UI. Hopefully this will lead to some overhaul in the iOS interface next year for us apple enthusiasts.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I foresee quite a few changes for you Apple folks in the next few years…
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:10 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Matias Duarte I always knew you were my hero. This article just explained why.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Also, Josh, your journalism is actually enjoyable to read. I really appreciate that, truly. Decent prose is too difficult to find nowadays.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:37 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
"The coffee isn’t bad." understatement. love it.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:33 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
As much as I want to believe, until Hardware accelerated UI is confirmed, I’m not even giving 4.0 a chance.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:33 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It has been confirmed, just wasn’t announced in the keynote. See http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0.html#HwAccel
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:10 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Its confirmed
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:14 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I can’t believe I read the whole thing.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:34 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great article. I am still concerned that Android still doesnt have that spark that makes it great. It’s getting there but it needs some better design. Although his bit about fake wood paneling nailed one design issue that I am glad Android hasnt steered toward.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:34 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
woah, matias actually came out in one of those white suit pimp outfits… Josh is rubbing off a bit TOO much, that is too hipster, too boss hog.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:34 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
A cream linen suit is pretty standard in hot weather climates and Hong Kong is warm and humid right now. Matias’ suit was tailored to fit him perfectly and that showed.
If there was someone dressed horrible it was the Samsung guy who presented the device of the Galaxy Nexus. Ill fitting jacket with his shirt collar stuck under it. I was disgusted. These guys can drop serious dough on some really nice clothes but they don’t.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
nice interview
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:34 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I like how Matias described Android 2 and 3. Literally half-baked OSes just to get placeholder in the market.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So you read that whole article just to say that hmmm jealous? No friends? No sex? Dead beat dad? Am i getting closer
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:13 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Isn’t that what Google’s designer said? Did you missed those parts?
So what is the reason you posted your “Reply”? Anything relevant to say on topic?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:46 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well done Mr. Topolsky, an excellent read. Having just watched the Android livestream, this is truly the first version of Android I am excited to try and possible buy. This is appears to be a more friendly and usable OS without one needing prior knowledge on how Android functions. My first hope is that ICS will encourage Verizon to stop with all of the robotic, overly masculine adverts. In general, Verizon should cease advertising/collaborating on gender specific devices, i.e., HTC Bliss, Palm Pre ads. Secondly, Ice Cream Sandwich, the recent versions of WP Mango and the erstwhile webOS only emphasis the need for Apple to update the UI/UX of iOS. My contract is up for renewal in January and until now I wasn’t considering Android. Until now, Android’s UI made my eyes bleed and I would not consider leaving the beautiful world of webOS for it. Maybe I’m a Matias Duarte fanboy, but the gentleman is great at his craft.
-PS Eagerly awaiting the official launch of the Verge and its first class team.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:36 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t quite know how to break this to you, but you were leaving webOS whether you wanted to or not…
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:04 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, I know. Whilst I love webOS, I hate the hardware and HP gave me no choice. Sigh, time to move on.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:30 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Fantastic article. I am so impressed with the stuff you guys are putting out. It’s really nice to see some real journalism. I certainly hope this level of effort is carried over to The Verge.
I have to say though, after having read the entire article I found it very difficult to reconcile how Motorla (and to a lesser extent Google itself) is going to fit into Matias’ design philosophy. The Roboto typeface alone seems to stand diametrically opposed to the Droid branding that Motorola has developed – an anti-human, anti-compassionate, soulless sort of brand.
If Matias’ team successfully carriers the “enchantment” from that typeface to the rest of the Ice Cream Sandwich interface and, more generally, to Android’s user-experience, how will it be affected by Motorola? Software seems to work best when it runs complementary to hardware – as Apple has demonstrated. How will the Motorola acquisition affect the design philosophy that Matias is proposing?
To my mind, the fact that Google is an engineering company first is also an important consideration; Google has never struck me as a design company. What Matias is pursuing is art. Suffice it to say he’s going to have a difficult task ahead of him; I don’t think that the aircraft carrier in his analogy is Android – I think it’s Google.
I wish him the best of luck in his pursuit. His track record speaks for itself, but I think his biggest challenge is going to be instilling a foreign culture into Google. Time will tell whether he’s able to pull it off.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:36 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Don’t be surprised if Motorola’s branding diversifies a bit.
You’ll probably see the Moto brand for regular releases, but the Google branding and styling will be front and centre for the yearly Nexus releases, with Moto relegated to a logo on the back.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Don’t be surprised if Motorola’s branding diversifies a bit.
You’ll probably see the Moto brand for regular releases, but the Google branding and styling will be front and centre for the yearly Nexus releases, with Moto relegated to a logo on the back.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
‘droid’ is a Verizon brand, not a Moto brand, though the two do go well together. And I don’t think Matias expects every Android to have the same feel, just the Nexus.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:36 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
opps
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:56 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Lol, I was like ‘que?’
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:03 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That is a seriously impressive piece of writing. Congratulation Josh. Well done.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:37 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Monster of an article. Great work as always.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Monster of an article. Great work as always.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
"I thought ‘okay you know what, I’ve tried to win so many times before,’ and it’s been shown that it doesn’t matter how great a product you have and how revolutionary the product is… distribution and marketshare are the things that matter." Matias smiles, "Now I’m going the other way around."
And we’ve lost him.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:39 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
"I thought ‘okay you know what, I’ve tried to win so many times before,’ and it’s been shown that it doesn’t matter how great a product you have and how revolutionary the product is… distribution and marketshare are the things that matter." Matias smiles, "Now I’m going the other way around."
And we’ve lost him.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:39 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree…Apple is faux wood paneling, faux brushed metal, faux jelly button OS
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:39 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree…Apple is faux wood paneling, faux brushed metal, faux jelly button OS
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:39 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m a Windows Phone person myself. It simply offers something new and different, a breath of fresh air, if you will. iphone is definitely the same ol’ same ol’. Android is much the same BUT… I like this new direction. It’s certainly a step in making Android a more cohesive, better designed, user experience even if they snake a feature or two here and there. ;) And, I certainly hope they keep moving that way and add some sprinkles of innovation.
It’s always great to see what the competition has going. Nice job, Google.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:40 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Josh, my man, you sure know how to tell a story, bravo. However, no offence to Duarte, but he talks better than ICS looks.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Really? Just had to get that in didn’t ya….
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:10 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
What, it’s my opinion, u mad?
I’ll rephrase it for you.
Duarte knows what he’s talking about, but the execution I see in ICS doesn’t match the vision he wants me to see.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:37 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Fair enough.
You can never really tell until you go hands on though.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:46 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks, that was a balanced article. Look forward to well thought out articles like this one!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks, that was a balanced article. Look forward to well thought out articles like this one!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“ starting with Android 4.0, users can uninstall any application they like”
Fuck. Yes.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
+1
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That made me smile. So useful!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:27 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Excellent article. Thanks for writing this!
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:43 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Man…I cant wait for the Titan and or the N9-Mango Edition ; )
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:44 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Now this, is journalism at its finest.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:44 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Was Matias using a Chromebook for the presentation?
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:44 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Somehow reading this immediately after watching the Pirates of Silicon Valley added some super gravity to this release of Android. I am truly thrilled to see that much of what was the inexplicable pleasure in using webOS is being applied to Android ICS.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:45 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“airport lavatory signage” Thank you! I couldn’t put a finger on why I wasn’t digging metro as much as most folks seem to, but that’s exactly it. It’s minimalistic in a way that various signs you see on the street are – which is boring.
I’ll be honest, I wouldn’t say that I find ICS UI as awesome as Matias seems to think having said that I agree with the direction they’re taking and completely agree with his criticism of metro and ios UIs.
iOS is old school. Yes the touch interactions are still the smoothest in the industry, no arguments there. Bu the look of the UI is, at this point, dated and amateurish. Have you noticed the icons they’ve been using lately – brushed aluminium and plastic looks – it’s like they got some intern doing the design and he still thinks it’s 1990.
In contrast microsoft’s metro is no doubt slick but it’s also (as I said above) boring. I’m sorry but it just is. Initially, like everyone, I was impressed by what they’ve done, and in terms of how they changed their attitudes towards UI I still am. However, after couple of weeks of seeing the WP7 screenshots I couldn’t help but feel completely bored of the UI, there was just no life in it, no fun. It was all these very minimalistic (only the content and nothing) else icons. But icons are suppose to have personality (think about that word), they’re suppose to catch your eye, not just provide you with dry info.
And I think ICS is moving in the right direction, they’re creating a design language that’s both modern and creative. It may not be quite there yet, and in fact, to some it may even look a bit messy exactly because they’ve yet to achieve the perfect balance, but it’s going to get there. And in the meantime I can’t help but wonder, would iOS10 look like iOS5 – wouldn’t that be sad?
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:47 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice story bro’
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:04 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-DO0qRHQh73I/Tp6figsv2WI/AAAAAAAAGpc/wAPD4fOS9jE/s1000/threeyears.png
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, Android 4.0 is a giant leap.
I fully understand where Josh is saying the whole thing is a “heady mixture”
And those camera features are awesome, super fast start up, no lag shutter, Panorama, and Time Lapse Video!
I’m going to have to buy some bigger pants.
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:53 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
whoa Josh. What an exclusive. Thank you a milliion times
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
really great read , really makes me want to play with ICS
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:56 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Who cares who copied who?
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:56 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
People who get copied?
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:59 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Everyone copies everyone though…
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 5:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“…applications can now be killed by swiping them to the right — like vertical cards.” This contradicts what I read in another TIMN article where it states that the process is not actually killed. Which is it?
http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/18/google-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-official/#comment-338792284
“…while you can swipe away clutter, that doesn’t actual kill the process.”
Posted on Oct 18, 2011 | 11:59 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Can a machine have a soul?” give me strength.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:01 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great piece, Mr. Topolsky. I certainly hope that this is the standard of quality for the writing at the Verge instead of the ‘Pump out sensationalistic headlines’ of other not to be named sites.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:02 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This is my new go to site. I’ve been reading Engadget, TechCruch, and Giz, and will still do so. But I have to say, between this and the ip4s release, you guys are on a different level. Keep it up.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:04 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Joshua, Great interview!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:07 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Damn great article…..
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice! Go, Matias and Google! I’m on board!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Engadget < The Verge
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:10 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
great article
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:11 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The “Menu” button on Android is one of my favourite features, and they’re killing it?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:13 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s still there, and just not as prominent. Duarte’s trying to get people to move away from hiding things behind menus.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:25 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, I like having things hidden behind menus. It means more screen real estate for content.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:06 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I honestly don’t know if I’m feeling the new sideways navigation.. the new Android market is cool but I don’t feel like its a natural way to navigate.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:14 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Trollers aside, let’s all come to a conclusion when the phone is actually in our hands. Didn’t a lot of you think that Metro was ugly? Give Duarte a shot and see what other crazy things he comes up with next. There’s a lot to like about ICS. There’s a lot to like about the Galaxy Nexus. Forget who steals from who. They all take without admitting they did.
Wait before you potentially eat your own words.
BTW, if any mobile OS is a bunch of icons (or icons in folders) on a grid, Apple and BB has the market cornered.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:19 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Matias is incredibly brilliant. I love his taste in design because it’s modern in a way that doesn’t feel to futuristic, it feels contemporary.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:20 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Such a good read.I loved the way you wrote it, felt like you are trying to introduce a new character in a drama movie :)
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:21 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Such a good read.I loved the way you wrote it, felt like you are trying to introduce a new character in a drama movie :)
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:21 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Fucking brilliant article.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Fucking brilliant article.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Brilliant interview, Josh. Just brilliant.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:26 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Brilliant interview, Josh. Just brilliant.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:26 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I like the possibility of all software including bloatware being uninstallable but I can’t imagine that the carriers will like that. Tough.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:27 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I like the possibility of all software including bloatware being uninstallable but I can’t imagine that the carriers will like that. Tough.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:27 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Unveiled in China (HK), Interviewed in California.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:28 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Unveiled in China (HK), Interviewed in California.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:28 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Translation? Enjoy our new beta OS.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:34 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
gg
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:36 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
"With Android, people were not responding emotionally, they weren’t forming emotional relationships with the product. They needed it, but they didn’t necessarily love it."So the fix is, "when you want to create a folder now, you simply drag an icon onto another icon, similar to iOS." And a whole host of other translucent, buttonless or whizzier features.
Somehow, I am NOT getting how this is responding to users’ needs for an emotional attachment. What am I missing?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:41 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
a brain or in french, “un cerveau”
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:28 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Hmmm, your idea of an "emotional attachment" is essentially to try to start a barroom brawl by insults?
Guess that’s emotional, all right. Anti-social, but full of some sort of rage.
But whereas the previous post merely answered "users will attach because all the previously-touted widgets, flexibility and options of Android will get out of the way" (?!?), this seems to prove that at least some part of the "Android demographic" studied is not likely to
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:25 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
a brain or in french, “un cerveau”
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:28 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Pretty much everything. It isn’t about how you create folders. It isn’t about transparent notification curtains, its the whole package. Its easy to use, and you interact with the content instead of buttons and boxes. The UX is consistent enough that you forget about it and gets out of your way and you pay attention to your stuff. Then you transfer your love of stuff into a love for your nexus.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:12 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
"With Android, people were not responding emotionally, they weren’t forming emotional relationships with the product. They needed it, but they didn’t necessarily love it."So the fix is, "when you want to create a folder now, you simply drag an icon onto another icon, similar to iOS." And a whole host of other translucent, buttonless or whizzier features.
Somehow, I am NOT getting how this is responding to users’ needs for an emotional attachment. What am I missing?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:41 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice work Josh unequivocally this is my next phone!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Lol, Matias Duarte; you’re funny. Sorry, I meant retarded.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:48 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey, that’s not nice.
He has a vision of what he wants to accomplish and is enthusiastic about it.
Sure, Android 4.0 seems to have taken some inspiration from wp7, but thats no reason to discredit him!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:20 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
And you must be Mensa material with that kind of a retort. /s
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 11:33 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great interview Josh.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:50 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Truly outstanding article Josh! Thank you for this.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You got a good designer, you got the best coder, you got the best hardware company… Nexus is indeed perfect.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow it certainly sounds like he’s taking a leaf or two out of Apple’s playbook in terms of his philosophy.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:17 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Matias has always been really consumer orientated, he’s always saying that computers suck and that he wants to change them. He wants to make what he wants to use, and if that sounds like apple, just remember that they’re lumped into the “suck” column.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Matias has always been really consumer orientated, he’s always saying that computers suck and that he wants to change them. He wants to make what he wants to use, and if that sounds like apple, just remember that they’re lumped into the “suck” column.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“We wanted to focus our effort on making people feel more amazing, like they’re super-powered.” That makes me laugh.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:29 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“We wanted to focus our effort on making people feel more amazing, like they’re super-powered.” That makes me laugh.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:29 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This was a fantastically well written article.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:34 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This was a fantastically well written article.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:34 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This was a fantastically well written article.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:34 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This was a fantastically well written article.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:34 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
His reality distortion field kung-fu is weak.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:37 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
His reality distortion field kung-fu is weak.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:37 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This is fantastic article! Excellent work, Mr. Topolsky!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:46 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great accompaniment to the ICS launch that certainly explains a lot of the design changes. Excellent read. :) You guys have one of the best coverage of the ICS launch.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:55 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great piece, Topolsky!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:56 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This is a great interview. I’m really looking forward to seeing Ice Cream Sandwich first hand.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:03 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I love Joshua so much.
I swear I’m a straight, married man.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:15 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t like the roboto font. Kind of looks like a curvy version of metro.
Airplane lavatory signage and wooden bookshelves aren’t always the devil. Yes, Apple goes a little overboard sometimes but in some cases photorealism is comforting and helps users orient themselves. There’s nothing more soulless and confusing than a pure digital computer UX. And just when Apple is getting away from their blue jelly aqua aesthetic, Matias is rediscovering blue neon. Yuck.
Android 4.0 is the nicest looking Android so far though.. I’ll be snapping up a pentaband Galaxy Nexus for ATT. I’m not sure it can replace the 4S as my daily driver but maybe it can dry some of these tears I shed for the iPhone 5 that never materialized :(
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t like the roboto font. Kind of looks like a curvy version of metro.
Airplane lavatory signage and wooden bookshelves aren’t always the devil. Yes, Apple goes a little overboard sometimes but in some cases photorealism is comforting and helps users orient themselves. There’s nothing more soulless and confusing than a pure digital computer UX. And just when Apple is getting away from their blue jelly aqua aesthetic, Matias is rediscovering blue neon. Yuck.
Android 4.0 is the nicest looking Android so far though.. I’ll be snapping up a pentaband Galaxy Nexus for ATT. I’m not sure it can replace the 4S as my daily driver but maybe it can dry some of these tears I shed for the iPhone 5 that never materialized :(
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I am convinced that Duarte knows what he talks about and has his focus in the right places, but I still am not convinced that he delivered with this release.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:37 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
awww sounds like he was really hurt about the webOS mess. :( i feel ya mathias, on the bright side ICS looks fantastic.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:38 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Amazing! :D
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:02 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
A guy on another forum summed it all up well: "I only like what I designed and I will find problems with everyone else’s designs." said Google’s key Android interface designer Matias Duarte, as he stomped his feet and ran away…
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:12 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That can be said of just about anybody designing anything. Hell developers crack open peoples code and say the same thing a lot of times.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:17 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That can be said of just about anybody designing anything. Hell developers crack open peoples code and say the same thing a lot of times.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:17 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Matias Duarte seems to have a thing for KIRF fonts, in WebOS it’s Prelude (kirf Avenir), now it’s Roboto (kirf Helvetica)
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Helvetica itself is a KIRF of AG. So whats your point?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:23 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
No, virtually every grotesque font nowaday is influenced by Akzidenz, but Helvetica was not only greatly improved upon the AG font family (in areas like weight consistency and kerning also general uniformity of shape) but also had a voice of its own, recognizable, stoic yet very neutral.
Roboto is KIRF because it is a poorer version of Helvetica with some borrowed feature from other font family, only slightly improved balance in long paragraphs (but as a system font, doing rather poorly in manues and title bars).
That’s why Roboto is a KIRF and Helvetica is legendary.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 8:06 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m not done, just look at the upper case G next to the H, and the Q next to the R, how schizophrenic is that?! Some serious barf material right there.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 8:28 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Helvetica itself is a KIRF of AG. So whats your point?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:23 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I f’ing love this guy. Honestly, I was like “YEAH, SERIOUSLY!” for almost every paragraph of this piece.
Also, I’m feeling a little teary-eyed, because I can feel myself losing the passion for my previous love webOS for ICS. I guess what I was really in love with was Matias’ eye for design.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:32 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I f’ing love this guy. Honestly, I was like “YEAH, SERIOUSLY!” for almost every paragraph of this piece.
Also, I’m feeling a little teary-eyed, because I can feel myself losing the passion for my previous love webOS for ICS. I guess what I was really in love with was Matias’ eye for design.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:32 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Sounds excellent, I cant wait to compare iOS 5 and ICS in person :-) Both great updates.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Sounds excellent, I cant wait to compare iOS 5 and ICS in person :-) Both great updates.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Reading this article made me cry. So well written.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Reading this article made me cry. So well written.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
¡Excelente artículo Josh! Felicitaciones.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:28 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I very much enjoyed this interview. So well done, so well written.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:49 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I actually like that in WindowsPhone applications display information in tiles without clashing with the design philosophy of the OS. I don’t see this as restrictive, I see it as all the separate information you want displayed in harmony.
My question for both Android and WindowsPhone is show me a your games & apps that compete with the best of iOS’. Because from what I can tell they don’t exist. And all your tiles and widgets won’t make up for it. Just my humble opinion.
@Gdub_:twitter
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:51 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
May not be the case for WindowsPhone but just about all the major games being released now come for both Android and iPhone. Thats pretty much the reason people keep bringing up Infinity Blade. That and Rage seem like the last majors that weren’t developed for both platforms. As far as apps its the same situation. The only difference I could think of now would be apps for music production.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:15 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
May not be the case for WindowsPhone but just about all the major games being released now come for both Android and iPhone. Thats pretty much the reason people keep bringing up Infinity Blade. That and Rage seem like the last majors that weren’t developed for both platforms. As far as apps its the same situation. The only difference I could think of now would be apps for music production.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:15 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Is that really a question for Android or WP? Or a question to developers who have CHOSEN not to step up to the plate and deliver their games to the platform. On most Android devices including their high-end devices, they possess the componentry to run today’s mobile games, but developers have CHOSEN not to adopt the platform, or half-heartedly port their games to it. This isn’t an Android or WP issue, this is clearly a developer intent and initiative issue.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:28 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Josh I am truly impressed with this article. It was as objective as I have ever seen in your tech. reporting.. Well done sir.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:55 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Josua, this is why I am excited about The Verge. Amazing, well written piece. Thank you.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:57 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Very nice piece. Almost an Anandtech article, but with a bit more spark. Excellent recipe.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 5:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
!!
JT FTW. Verge > All. !!
I like how no one on thisismynext lost a word about the new ICS device…
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 5:29 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
As a diehard webOS fan, this interview makes me hopeful that I jumped on the Android bandwagon at the right time. ICS doesn’t look like it’s there yet, but it is a significant step in the right direction. If he can combine the webOS design and interaction ethos with Google’s raw engineering prowess then you have a hell of a combo. It will take time, though and Matias was clearly indicating that ICS is just the beginning.
As a side note, I find it hilarious that people are talking about ICS taking the “People” tab from WP7. The “People” tab in both WP7 and ICS is merely webOS Synergy with social networking added in. Who was in charge of the team that created Synergy? Matias Duarte. So the only person he’s stealing from is himself.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:29 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
My guess is Skillman was the designer of the look of WebOS. If this guy designed WebOS then why does Meego/Harmattan have more design ques from WebOS?
Whatever this guy designed at Google, Android is still ugly. Why all this line interface? Based on thin lines. Looks very flat 2d to me. Looks less substantial then say iOS or Harmattan or WebOS with there flat rounded boxes/buttons. And the colors used in Android are too saturated IMO.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:02 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I give this article a 9,9
One minor thing I want to point out.“His point is that it’s a big machine.” Made me feel a little degraded as I don’t find the metaphor that difficult to understand. If you want to clear things, I believe it could have done it in a more interesting way.
It might just be me, but I thought I wanted to share. Superb job!Best regards,Samuel.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
excellent article, mr. topolsky. most pleasant reading, this is.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Thought provoking piece, I’m really excited for androids future, and the fruition of these steps.
However I find it rather confusing that after identify their users have little or no emotional response to their devices. They decide to release a tron styled design and rotobot type face.
They identify their distaste at the faux and juvenile design paradigms in other os yet they still call theirs “Ice Cream Sandwich”. I may agree with the statements, however the faux nature and real world mimicking is a proven method of gaining an emotional relationship with your consumers, by mimicking real world paradigms like the “Address Book” people not necessarily familiar with computers and os, can make a real world connection and understand better.
I’m glad Google finally understand their users aren’t emotionally connected to their devices, however the fact they’ve made to steps to incorporate this into their design is disappointing.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:13 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It would seem to me that the naming of their OS was first born out of the emotions of the users. Cupcake was originally just a branch name in the source code tree. I don’t know if they ever intended to start using names like that. But the Android market went crazy with users asking for Cupcake. Every app was filled with people saying they want Cupcake in the comments. From then on Google has been naming the major releases in this manner.
To be honest I think people do a lot of over analyzing to describe something simple when it comes to “emotional attachment”. It really boils down to the comment about a “soul” but its not nearly as deep as people would think. The soul is nothing more than a good and consistent look and feel that gives a device or UX a personality that can be remembered. Android up until this point has pretty much worked to NOT have a personality so that OEMs could create their own. Now the personality is being added to the device itself. The rest is just extra marketing speak to me.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:07 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I hope Microsoft sues the shit out of you guys now. You rip off People hub, you have ‘Roboto’….what is that Metro with Robots? You pile of hacks. Watching Android development is like watching production at a Chinese fakes factory. You tools have zero original ideas, you just take others and jumble it up into one big IP patent violation.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You obviously don’t have a discerning eye. Roboto’s typeface looks nothing like WP7’s Segoe modern type face. Roboto’s based on semi-circles while Segoe is almost completely circular. That’s why it’s pleasing to the eye. That’s why iOS switched to circular buttons in iOS5. But the fonts are not the same. People app is very much an evolution of the current contacts app. Information was already aggregated in contacts, People just displays it differently, doing away with the clicks necessary to bring up that information. But don’t be misled, that information was already in the contacts.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:25 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
lol umadbro?
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 7:45 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I hope Microsoft sues the shit out of you guys now. You rip off People hub, you have ‘Roboto’….what is that Metro with Robots? You pile of hacks. Watching Android development is like watching production at a Chinese fakes factory. You tools have zero original ideas, you just take others and jumble it up into one big IP patent violation.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Translation: “can we design a device that best allows us to market to the masses.” Android is based on delivering information in a manner that best-suits Google main business – advertising… WP7’s minimalist Metro UI gives customer more control over what info they actually want to SEE.. and finally, iOS, actually a pleasant middle ground in the design category (albeit a tad outdated, effective nonetheless)..
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:03 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Actually, I would say that WP7 is the middle ground with iOS and Android occupying the extremes. With ICS though, Android moves closer to the WP7, without treading on the stale, impersonal visual elements of looking at a grid of apps and an old antiquated way of interfacing your content (i.e. clicking open apps, buttons, hidden menus, etc.)
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:21 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
ICS from a UX experience is hardly revolutionary. At least he admits in the final 2 paragraphs that he’s given up being revolutionary, and just wants numbers….
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:28 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Funny to see all the angry IOS users trying to justify their recent purchases. If you didn’t care about android, and were entirely happy with your 4s purchase, you shouldn’t feel the need to come on here and bash anything and everything in an effort to make yourself feel better.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:47 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
hmm… square edges; flat, bold colors; authentically digital and inspired by print; “putting people first” excuse me "
this all sounds very familiar.
#metro #wp7
Careful where you tread… thar be patents out thar
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:50 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That looks like it might jsut be worth waiting for. Wow.
being-anon.us.tc
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:06 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I very much admire Matias Duarte, his work on WebOS was/is amazing and I’m very glad he’s working on making Android better; I agree with him that Honeycomb was an emergency landing just to get tablet support out there, it wasn’t ideal but it did the job. Now I’m really exciting to see ICS on tablets.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:06 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
They should have named the font “Androido”
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:24 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
He could be an excellent designer, but I hate the Tron Legacy theme everywhere, I hate the personality dystrophia of Android, why can Android come without Tron? Matias, please, Android need to be more human, more personal, the geeky orientation is good but only for geek, wake up.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:28 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Are you talking about Honeycomb or ICS? There’s absolutely no Tron motif in ICS whatsoever.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The idea is that they shouldn’t try to emulate real world textures. They’re just illustrations. They’re not real.
In the end, digital is digital is digital.. I think it looks better this way.
Posted on Oct 22, 2011 | 8:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’ believe you should disparage something, on the one hand, and then seek to emulate it, opn the other!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:49 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice interview, a video would be nice.
Also, which antivirus is compatible with ICS? ;)
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:57 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Average interview apart, would’ve been even better if you weren’t so slavishly sucking up to the guy.
There’s nothing offered that compares to the usability, fluidity and simply getting these done of the iPhone.
The Android keyboard still sucks, and the lag, shown in the video at the Nexus/ICS demo just proves that Google still get can’t get the user experience right.
Yes, I have an opinion, and maybe it’s not particularly objective, but if anyone has a different opinion, I’d be glad to hear it.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:58 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Josh T presented another opinion, but you outright dismissed it as being a “suck up.” You say you’d be “glad to hear it,” but it sounds like you just want to be derisive to anyone or anything that holds to something different. Josh T’s opinion was that it was usable, fluid and cohesive. How is that not getting things done? Watching the ICS demo, what lag are you talking about re: the keyboard? Obviously, it’s not that your opinion is not “particularly objective,” it’s completely subjective and not even remotely objective.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:17 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
"Matias says that the studies showed that users felt empowered by their devices, but often found Android phones overly complex. That they needed to invest more time in learning the phones, more time in becoming an expert. The phones also made users feel more aware of their limitations — they knew there was more they could do with the device, but couldn’t figure out how to unlock that power."
So Mr. Duarte, would you say that "you have to be a computer scientist to use an Android phone"?
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:00 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I would say Matias Duarte is the single-most important hire Google have made since they got into the smartphone business. It’s nice to see someone actually giving a shit about normal users and not speccy nerds.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:14 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great interview!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:18 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Android is still buggy as ever. Nothing ever changes:
http://flyosity.com/iphone/androids-touch-responsiveness-is-terrible.php
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:37 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So much silliness.
If Google has user interface design its news to most people. Android is a direct copy of the iPhone interface. Initial versions looked like Blackberry then Windows Mobile until the iPhone was shown. All of a sudden it looked like iPhone interface.
Android phones are practically given away. In some cases they are given away. Very little profit margin for anyone involved and the word is ad sales resulting from Android have been very poor. Thats the whole reason Android exists since the Android user is the product.
Not a word about bloatware, malware, terrible app selection and quality, battery life is atrocious. Under the hood Android is an unoptimized mess despite all the copying of other companies technologies.
Matias was not involved with the Web OS interface design. He came along later. He has been at Google for awhile now and the interface is still a very poor copy of iOS. Thats why they need resource hogging widgets.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:39 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
There is literally nothing about this comment that is factual. I wouldn’t even know where to begin responding to the absolute sea of inaccurate, ignorant haterade.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:43 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
In this interview with Matias Duarte, the head of user experience for Android, I was struck by something the author observed:“What is the soul of the new machine?” The words are emblazoned across Matias’ laptop display.It struck me because it sounded familiar, as if that question had already been asked and answered. And it was. By Steve Jobs: In his WWDC keynote a few weeks ago, Steve Jobs said the following. "You know, if the hardware is the brain and the sinew of our products, the software in them is their soul."When Duarte is asked if that’s the first time anyone at Google ever asked that question, he replies: "I don’t think anybody ever asked about the soul," he answers in a very matter-of-fact way, "This was my question, it was the question I challenged the team with."Right. Maybe the team didn’t see Jobs’ WWDC keynote.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:41 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Lets see who first initiated the use of gestures several years ago…its a company named after a fruit..
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:42 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Actually Palm was doing gestures long before Apple.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:30 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Lets see who first initiated the use of gestures several years ago…its a company named after a fruit..
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:42 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I really enjoy seeing Microsoft, Apple, and Google go at it (sorry RIM is not in this race right now). we are seeing innovations and great ideas coming from across the board. The next few years are going to be exciting as we see each of them integrate their own implementations of each other’s ideas.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:43 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I really enjoy seeing Microsoft, Apple, and Google go at it (sorry RIM is not in this race right now). we are seeing innovations and great ideas coming from across the board. The next few years are going to be exciting as we see each of them integrate their own implementations of each other’s ideas.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:43 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Good interview!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:52 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Android is still buggy as ever. Nothing ever changes:
http://flyosity.com/iphone/androids-touch-responsiveness-is-terrible.php
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:52 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
ooh! You’ve used ICS already?? Please tell us more about it!!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:45 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Android is coming together nicely. Now Google needs to give the same level of attention to their various web presences.
Example: As a user (and fan) of Picasa, I find the whole integration with Google+ thoroughly confusing. Pics don’t always show in the same order, the information shown (particularly tags and image views) is slightly different, navigation a little different. I can’t always tell which one I’m in, so I go looking for features in Google+ Images that are only found in Picasa.
Very annoying, half-baked implementation. And Google Video/YouTube is even worse.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:54 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Matias says they’ve “toned down the geeky nerd quotient” but one of the key examples described is a “warp field” effect when transferring data between two devices. I’m not saying I’m in love with Apple’s desire to constantly mimic real-world stitched leather or paper page flipping and the like. But I will say I get why those visual metaphors make non-techies feel comfortable with high technology. I’m also not convinced we’ve been under the tyranny of these metaphors for so long, as Matias suggests, that we must finally FINALLY break FREE from the shackles of our Apple overlord!
I know people want and expect… nay, feel entitled to!… radical change every 30 seconds these days, but how about just designing something awesome and letting it speak for itself? Microsoft did so, whether Matias is in agreement with their design direction or not, and just put it out there. They had a vision and stuck to it. I’d like to see Google do the same for once. Matias’ words are pretty big coming from a company that has never previously exhibited good design sense.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:54 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“but how about just designing something awesome and letting it speak for itself? ”
Isn’t Google doing this? They put ICS out there and now you can judge. Do you have a problem with him explaining the thinking behind it? I find it interesting.
Plus I seem to remember quite a bit of “smack talk” from Microsoft on how phones are not giving us data properly and how their paradigm is different..
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:44 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah. Matias should’ve started with creating consistent & great looking icons first.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:04 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Utterly fantastic interview. Bravo for a well executed piece of writing. You’ve woven in narrative with conversation pieces with aplomb. Extremely impressed by this piece. Genuinely an article and not a glorified blog post as some tech rags are accustomed to calling “articles.” Bravo!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Utterly fantastic interview. Bravo for a well executed piece of writing. You’ve woven in narrative with conversation pieces with aplomb. Extremely impressed by this piece. Genuinely an article and not a glorified blog post as some tech rags are accustomed to calling “articles.” Bravo!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Utterly fantastic interview. Bravo for a well executed piece of writing. You’ve woven in narrative with conversation pieces with aplomb. Extremely impressed by this piece. Genuinely an article and not a glorified blog post as some tech rags are accustomed to calling “articles.” Bravo!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“When you want to create a folder now, you simply drag an icon onto another icon, similar to iOS.”
By “similar” you mean exactly.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:19 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Now now, no need to be like that.
Android’s been doing folders a lot longer than iOS.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Now now, no need to be like that.
Android’s been doing folders a lot longer than iOS.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great article Josh! This is exactly the reason I made the switch with you guys. Looking forward to my first nexus phone and the verge!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:23 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
While I wouldn’t necessarily say that the "faux wood paneling trend" or the “airport lavatory signage trend” represents the pinnacle of design aesthetics, I do find both of them infinitely more approachable than the tacky, neon discotheque circus that is honeycomb.
Don’t get me wrong, I respect Mr. Duarte and his accomplishments. In fact, I’d argue that, in many ways, webOS represents the pinnacle of design aesthetics on a mobile device. However honeycomb remains one of the ugliest interfaces I’ve ever seen and ICS doesn’t look appreciably better.
Granted, design is subjective, but rarely should it be so polarizing. This is especially true in reference to interface design. Yet people either love his work at Google or hate it. To me that indicates he might need to reconsider his approach.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Gotta say, I’m impressed. I think Google finally may be getting it. Up until Android 4.0, it’s been quantity updates over quality updates. Hokey, inconsistent UI. The godawful mess of MotoBlur, Sense, and HTC interface. And the result was always the same: Android phones, like a Windows 98 pc, would slow over time.
Nice to see they’re focusing on quality and user experience now, which is what drew me to Windows Phone 7. However, I resent that they push out Honeycomb on shitty tablets, knowing that it’s a bad experience for end users. It’s fine when they roll out beta services on the web
that’s free to use and try!but when they essentially sell crap to friends and family, I resent them.Good interview Josh!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 12:31 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
No, I hate the latest google web changes. And I hate the latest Android Market update- so slow and hard to find things than before. My next phone will not be android. At least not Android 4.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:03 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
can someone read this to me please I don’t want to read
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:25 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
lol, i feel the same way sometimes. I just copy/paste it to readplease free edition. It reads to me.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:07 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Brilliant article,
but geez you ppl in the comments make the worst arguments, who actually cares where the notification bar or any other smartphone features originated. Does it really matter who copied who and who thought of what first. The bottom line is Android is a great OS jam packed with features (including an excessive market) but has a steeper learning curve(although that looks to be changing), WP7 has great features too but is lacking in the app department and iOS is polished but simplified so kids and old people don’t have to learn anything to use it. They all pretty much do the same thing and it’s preference on what you like but hardware wise Android has more options so you can go cheap, go all out and have “the best” specs for about a week or anything in between.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Aweome interview like this are the thing that keep me coming back to thisismynext and chomping at the bit for The Verge to launch. Keep up the great work you guys are doing.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 1:57 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
All your KHOTAR are belong to us
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 2:36 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Ya, this is really a great piece. I u
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:22 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This article actually convinced me to finally sign up for a Disqus account. Way to be on top of the philosophy behind Android. Really fascinating. Thanks and keep up the great work
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 3:23 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great piece! I’m entrenched in the IOS ecosystem but am stoked that google is taking design seriously. Hopefully this pushes apple back. Love it.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:26 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ll reserve my judgments until I actually get my hands on one of the devices. Geekyness is in Google’s DNA. This kind of stuff doesn’t change overnight. Of Apple, Microsoft and Google I would say that Google is the least artistically inclined of the three.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 4:57 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Amazing article. Really looking forward to The Verge
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:01 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
sir this is one amazing article. linking it to my personal blog. amazing amazing. keep up the good work sir!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:19 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
amazing amazing piece sir!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Amazing amazing piece sir!
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Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 6:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I really liked this. Great read.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This still lags, and it’s not completely coherent and intuitive, unlike iOS or WP7. Also, I found his argument about Metro not letting content express itself completely ridiculous. That is the opposite of reality. Apps almost always look their best on WP7 from what I’ve seen. Just look at Facebook.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 7:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Lots of good stuff in there, thanks. Sounds like there is finally a vision for what an Android UI actually is. Also sounds like they will be making it easy for devs to keep with the design language. This is pretty much everything I’ve been waiting for from Android since day one. Can’t wait until ICS finds its way onto my phone.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:47 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This article is so bland.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:50 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah it was like a salesman trying to sell his product to an investor of Apple (without saying “Apple”) and half of it went over my head. He said it best in his presentation last night, rather than interviews…
And I now understand when my friend says to me everytime we talk about Android vs. iPhone "People dont care how their phone works, as long as it works and does what people want".
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:58 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Totally man, once he started getting all philosophical/salesman like I just stopped reading.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 8:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Iam moving on as soon as it hit the verzon, you like iPone4s stay as you like but not to me just like many out there.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
At last, a UX.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 9:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
why not in video guys i love the site thought it my fav now!!!!
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 10:48 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Freaking penguins! Unbelievable what that dorky young U of Helsinki undergrad wrought on the world 20 years ago.
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 11:01 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Love this!
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 2:29 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“It’s the nicest display I’ve seen since the iPhone 4. Maybe even nicer.”
Really have to wonder about the author’s credibility when he writes such a ridiculous understatement of the display quality (does he have eyes?), but the rest of the article was really thorough and he gave the chance for Matias to speak, so I can’t complain.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 2:49 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Android and this post both are impressive….I love android and waiting to see Ice Cream on my phone…
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 3:00 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I wish they had gotten him onboard earlier. Android would have turned out far differently.
These changes are great. They add much needed polish. But the problem that Android has now is lag. I am fairly sure ICS will be too much for a lot of phones out there (like my Nexus One). And really the OS is optimized for a buttonless device with a high density larger screen. Who’d want to be resizing widgets on a 3.5 in screen? And who wants virtual buttons when they have phsical buttons? That means a lot of phones being left behind. All that leads to ICS getting marketshare largely through new sales. This means ICS won’t even have majority marketshare by this time next year.
On the plus side, this should really contribute to the end of fragmentation in the long run. One OS for tablets and phones. And an OS that’s very difficult to skin. It’s so much more uniform. For example, buttons will all be in the same place now for every device. Really, how much more could TouchWiz or Sense or Motoblur really add to this? I can just picture the execs at the OEMs getting hot under the collar watching the launch. They know that this effectively kills their skins other than for different sounds and wallpapers and widgets. But they also know this gives them their best shot at competing against Apple. They must be in a quandary.
And I gotta say I am impressed with Duarte. He gets it. I think the next generation of duels will be between him and Scott Forstall (who I believe will be the next (though not as great) Steve Jobs).
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 10:44 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Good for this guy. I’ve always leaned toward Apple products rather than Android, because Android always seemed to lack polish. It was capable and flexibile, but whenever I got my hands on one, the power seemed to be buried in ugly. Not just aesthetically ugly, but usability ugly. Apple, while it is slow to bring cutting edge features, makes those things immediately apparent to the user when they arrive. Their UI is definitely dated – but it’s tasteful and restrained if nothing else.
Maybe this guy can finally pave a third way? I would love something more customizable, more edgy, more open than an iPhone. But so far I’ve been turned off by Android’s somewhat unapproachable usability and manufacturer’s lame add-ons. Ice Cream Sandwich on the Galaxy Nexus is a glimmer of hope to this open-minded Apple user. If only I could afford multiple phones like the Woz.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 1:25 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So the Android designers threw off the shackles, thought outside of the box, aimed to deliver a synergistic reimagining of the UI of Android … and ended up with a grid of static icons and a new font. F***ing awesome!
What a self-serving pile of drivel.
While I love what Joshua and co. are doing with their site, I’m surprised at their lack of obejctivity. I’m even more surprised that they’re not asking why it’s becoming increasingly obvious that the emperor has no clothes.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 2:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Matias, nice to meet you! You did a great job with ICS!
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 3:11 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
matias is no doubt an intelligent man. but the last couple paragraphs sum it up.
it makes much sense, but it’s also perfectly chosen wording. he is clearly taking
a jab at apple inc. while making it sound cool to be those things he is implying
they are not. he joined google because they are “winning” and mentions being
“trapped in a paradigm of due to maximum marketshare”. hello… this is exactly
what big business players do. it is about money & profit and keeping consumers
entrenched in your system. then he says its about how great and revolutionary
your product is and not about distribution and market domination. this is totally
laughable because it is straight out of the steve jobs handbook. i think the truth
of the matter is that this is all about being the next juggernaut. duarte & google
clearly want this (as do all other businesses) if you read between the lines. now
it will all come down to how well they sell their message to the rest of the world.
p.s. josh… a very well written piece of journalism
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 5:49 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Agreed! Very well written! Engadget has become so lame since this crew left! Can’t wait for #TheVerge
Posted on Oct 21, 2011 | 9:56 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
God I love this website. Do you know how often I start reading an interview and stop after the third “US: Blahblah blah blahblahblah blarble? DUDE WE’RE INTERVIEWING: Blarbity blarty blar, blahblee bloo!”. This interview read like a passage from a novel, and I couldn’t STOP reading it.
Posted on Oct 20, 2011 | 11:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I wasn’t expecting this much of a jump to be honest so I’m pleased as punch and contemplating ebay’ing my GSII and buying my first pure Google phone.
Love them or hate them Google and the Android team has proved that it will continue to strive for a better product and its goals aren’t to simply squeeze every last penny out of the hardware or the software. Every year they will partner with a manufacturer and attempt to push the envelope for the sake of progression as well as driving sales for the Android platform.
Here’s to never having a Nexus One, S or Galaxy stop gap.
Posted on Oct 21, 2011 | 7:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
just re-read this article.. i’m very much looking forward to having ICS & the galaxy nexus in my hands!
Posted on Oct 21, 2011 | 9:51 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I approve of this article.
The interesting thing is that this is v1.0 of the ‘Experience’ changes, Jelly Bean will bring more.
Matias has been an excellent addition to the Android team.
I think Josh may have a huge man crush for Matias though :)
Posted on Oct 21, 2011 | 10:13 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I watched the unveiling video. The ICS stuff begins around 23:20 if anyone wants to skip the hardware stuff and just see ICS.
I’m really impressed by ICS and by Matias. Sounds like he has a vision and he is taking Android there one update at a time.
It’s good to hear that Honeycomb was a rushed out the door project that was completely not ready and unfinished. I say that because it’s good to know that Honeycomb was not the completed vision and there is much more innovation to come. I have an Acer Iconia tablet running Honeycomb, and I gotta say that I love it and Honeycomb. I’m enjoying it just as much as my iPad before it, but with far less annoyances than I was experiencing with the iPad (force closes, trouble opening documents I wanted to open, syncing issues).
I can’t wait till they release the source code on this. Unlike Honeycomb, Google will release the source code. That means every ROM developer will get their hands on ICS and bring it to just about every existing phone and tablet currently out there. These devs will do in a few short months, what it would take Samsung, Motorola, HTC, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, Tmobile….months and years to accomplish.
Posted on Oct 21, 2011 | 11:05 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This is a real feather in your cap Joshua; it’s one of the best articles of yours that I’ve ever written. Well done sir!
Posted on Oct 21, 2011 | 2:22 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Josh – LOVED the parts of the article that dug into the “minds” of Matias and Google. Was irritated and distracted by the ICS “review” portions of the article; I can (and have) go anywhere to read that. I guess I “like my coffee black”, at least in this media format. My suggestion is to not mix the two. But please keep getting these interviews and digging into the thinking behind these products!
Posted on Oct 22, 2011 | 1:06 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The UI refresh here is fantastic.
Posted on Nov 01, 2011 | 2:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I think this was the beginning of The Verge; deep insightful feature unlike anything any other tech news site on the web is doing.
Posted on Nov 01, 2011 | 10:26 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I feel webOS is one of the most beautiful mobile UI ever created, and the Palm Pre one of the most beautiful pieces of hardware. It was a shame it did not succeed. It was probably a case of being too late into the market after iPhone.
When I read that Google had hired Matias Duarte to work on the Android UI I was so excited that finally Android would be beautiful. I had been wondering why it never seems to ever get pretty despite hiring Matias. This interview sheds some light on why. He hints that Google is a “aircraft carrier” and despite telling them were to steer the USS Android they are just too slow to respond.
The last paragraph really sums up why Android just refuses to become beautiful: “it doesn’t matter how great a product you have and how revolutionary the product is… distribution and marketshare are the things that matter.”
Matias sold out. He understands Google’s strategy is not based on making beautiful, usable products. He is basically saying: ‘Hey I created one of the most beautiful and friendly mobile UI ever made, on one of the prettiest phone hardware ever made, and it tanked. So now I work with one of the ugliest UI ever made with some of the largest, most hideous phone hardware ever made because that’s where the money is. Oh you’ll have to excuse me it seems my Private Jet’s new paint job is finished and I’ll have to go sign off on it’
Posted on Nov 03, 2011 | 3:23 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
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