Look and Feel
To be clear, the software experience of the Fire isn't wholly disconnected compared to other Android tablets or phones. You still have some of the basic pieces of the OS in place here, but others have been removed or heavily altered. Things that will seem familiar to Android users include the keyboard, (which has been reskinned, though works and sounds like a standard Gingerbread keyboard), the window shade notification area (though now it's a tap instead of swipe down), and many of the submenus and settings screens.
There are huge changes elsewhere, however. For starters, there aren't "home screens" or "widgets" here. Instead, Amazon offers a virtual bookshelf that has two specific places for your content. The upper level is a Cover Flow-style swipeable list which shows you your most recently used items (across music, books, magazines, apps, and more). The lower level is a user-programmable list which allows you to place your favorite selections into an organized grid. You can rearrange these icons much like you do on the homescreen of the iPad (they automatically reshuffle), and the list grows downward as you add more items. This is for all intents and purposes your new homescreen — and it works rather well. Along the top of your homescreen is a list of your content silos: Newsstand, Books, Music, Video, Docs, Apps, and Web, as well as a search box that lets you peer into your library or jump to a web search. It makes getting to your stuff quick and easy, and also blends well with the store options Amazon provides.
One thing I would like to see on the Fire is a way to do a unified search of all content available on the individual stores as well as your library. Right now each piece is broken off, and it would be really helpful to jump right into a content search from that persistent search box.
The software experience of the Fire isn't wholly disconnected compared to other Android tablets or phones
For ease of use and simplicity, the general concepts get high marks from me, though I do think some tweaking is required. One of the more annoying aspects of this screen is the sensitivity of the swiping area. It's actually quite difficult to get the item you want to focus and stay still, and often a tap doesn't register on those items. Furthermore, you can't remove unwanted items from the list, so if you've visited a webpage or opened an app that you no longer want at the top of the list, you just have to wait for it to shuffle off of the front page of your device.
The pinning area below is a nice idea, though I don't see how it differs much from a homescreen full of icons and links to webpages (pro observation: it doesn't). I will admit to missing widgets, though there are still some Android apps you can download that will allow you to keep toggles or quick links in your window shade area.
Speaking of that area, another place Amazon has changed the OS (and improved it, in my opinion) is that the Fire offers a tap point on the right side of the status bar which drops down quick options to set volume, brightness, and other settings, as well as providing access to your currently playing music.
The Fire OS does miss a bit with its handling of the home, menu, and back buttons. Clearly these are necessary for much of the navigation of the device, but unlike Ice Cream Sandwich, which almost always keeps these items present onscreen, the Fire often hides the buttons and demands a tap to bring them back up. That can be distracting and confusing when you're trying to quickly get around the tablet. Additionally, the way they're surfaced differs depending on the application you're in. Sometimes they're brought forward by a single tap to the display, and sometimes they're buried in a weird little pull-up menu which hovers along the bottom of the screen. Most of these issues might have been solved by making the sleep / wake button a home button as well. Perhaps Amazon will provide a software update with this as an option.
Otherwise, the OS has been generally cleaned up and made whole — so every app and menu that you're in looks cohesive and feels like part of the same family. Things aren't exactly perfect, however. I did notice some weird behavior on the homescreen where data seemed to be reloading or recaching randomly; the icons would flicker out and then flicker back on unexpectedly. The navigation icons in apps (home, back, and menu) were often finicky, wouldn't accept touches, or failed to appear when I wanted them to. Additionally, the overall OS performance feels stuttery and sluggish, there are odd visual bugs, and things like the keyboard are slow to respond — going back to the iPad 2 from the Fire was a stark contrast in fit and finish. There's a lot of polish here, but I see a lot that Amazon still needs to perfect.
Email
Believe it or not, there is an email client on the Fire. The offered software is a basic but capable IMAP client. You won't find any fancy Gmail features here like archiving, conversation view, or label management, but you should be able to deal with your inbox all the same. If you're a Gmail user, you'll be happy to know that the device automatically sets up your mail as an Exchange account, thus allowing for push updates.
Thankfully, you also get multiple message management as well as the ability to view a unified inbox which aggregates multiple accounts.
Generally the email client works well — though I couldn't help but fantasize about how good the Fire would be with a native Gmail client onboard.
Books
Obviously there's book reading software on the Fire, and if you've ever used any of the company's clients for Android, iOS, or webOS, you'll have a pretty good picture of what this reader is capable of. And that's pretty standard stuff. Aside from obvious formatting and re-formatting of width, font size, and coloring, you're also able to select words or groupings of words for notation, searches, and highlighting.
For studying and note-taking, the Fire's client seems superb, though I was a little disappointed to find that the company didn't include the innovate new X-ray feature it's touting on the Kindle Touch. I was also a surprised to see slower frame rates on page turns than on iOS or Android. As the new flagship Kindle, I expected the experience to be a little more polished.
Music and video
The music and video playback aspects of the Fire are solid, but won't exactly surprise you. Both apps on the device are clean and structured, but clearly not trying to win any awards for "most innovative." I actually take that as a good thing. I want my media players to get out of the way and do their job, and that's definitely the case on Amazon's tablet.
Music is a no-frills affair which gives you options to sort your collection by what's available on just the device itself, or your full library in Amazon's cloud. One thing that's odd is that you can't see both buckets in a single view.
When playing back music, you always have a small controller and listing of what's on at the moment, and as I mention above, you get persistent controls in the dropdown navigation. I did have some issues when making playlists where my selection options would jump around and I wouldn't be able to add certain songs unless I scrolled the list of tracks up and down. It's clearly a software bug that needs working out.
Video is a similarly simple affair, though instead of starting you out in your library, it plants you in a "featured" front page of store content. That makes a lot of sense on the Fire, and at least in my case — because I'm a Prime subscriber — free content is shown in the main slot. It's a great enticement to browse around and discover new shows or movies. When you view a piece of content, you get choices to watch immediately or see purchasing options.
Playback of video was handled in an almost identical fashion to playback on the company's video player for devices and its web player. The controls for video watching float above your content, and quickly fade away when you're not interacting with the device. One interesting thing of note: you can't watch video in portrait mode at all. The Fire immediately switches to landscape when you start a video.
Comments
I predict these Kindle’s will be Fire hot this holiday season.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:04 AM EST reply Recommend (24) Flag actions
Wow, great comment.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:14 AM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
OH MY GOD! We’re having a Kindle Fire!…… sale. Oh the burning! It burns me!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:33 AM EST reply Recommend (85) Flag actions
You win the comments section today. Well played.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:58 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Just saw that episode this week for the 30th time
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:59 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
amaaaaaaaaaaaziiiiin graaaaaaceeeeee
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:40 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
lol, love arrested.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:49 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I just blue myself.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:09 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
There really has got to be a better way to say that.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:32 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
ravissimo: Would you like to try that a little… simpler?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:55 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I second DoctorFunk’s reply. This is the comment of the day. Hilarious!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:45 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I read that comment in a 60’s gangster voice imagining you typing it up while puffing on a lit cigar. Merrr seeee merrrrrrr….
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:05 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re doing an Edward G. Robinson impersonation. His gangster films were made in the 30’s.
Maybe people think “the 60’s” means “whatever happened before I was born.” Shakespeare wrote in the 1960’s. Dinosaurs died out in 1968.
Posted on Nov 15, 2011 | 4:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Your comment has me crackling up, if you know what I mean, like such as a fire crackles, as such it rhymes with “cracking”, like such as like furthermore “cracking up” means to laugh,
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:14 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Can’t wait to bask in the Fire’s warm glow!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:07 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I hope they have a screen saver with a continuous loop fireplace.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 11:08 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I predict that users will find reading magazines on the Fire to be an experience about as awkward as your use of apostrophes.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 11:44 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
HAA!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m Fired up…
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:35 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well, I’m glad I stayed up past 12!
=)
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re a grown man now. Congrats, big boy! :-D
Posted on Nov 15, 2011 | 9:28 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Looks decent!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:07 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Actually, it looks like a PlayBook but as Josh said, not too many people have seen those…. (ouch). The biggest limitation is the memory. 6 GB is not enough and I’m hoping there is a $239 version with 16 (14) GB soon (or even better, 32/64 GB). I know you can use the cloud, but I don’t want to be forced to have to think about content ahead of time and free WiFi isn’t ubiquitous. The other compromises are OK given the price. Who cares about which version of Android any more. In fact, the Fire should act as an after-burner for devs to put out more Gingerbread apps.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:00 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I wonder if it would work with a Seagate Satellite or a Kingston WiDrive: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Satellite-Wireless-External-STBF500101/dp/B004Z0S7K6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1321292189&sr=1-1
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
the WiDrive needs an app and I don’t think they have an android one yet. the Satellite says it has a web interface, so that probably would work if the fire can stream audio/video through a web browser
Posted on Nov 15, 2011 | 12:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Seagate has an Android app, but you’d have to sideload it. I bet it works fine though.
Posted on Nov 17, 2011 | 10:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I really think that is the overall point of the fire with it’s given price. It is a quick, easy to use, auto updating, little tablet. Something thats a bit more then the kindle you know and love now. With a bit more, it really seems to appeal to the market. Even with some of the lower scoring points of the verge. I really think it is the top of every average users holiday list. I think stepping back and not looking at it as “What it doesn’t have.” and seeing it in it’s own light. It’s really a great market buster.
Posted on Nov 17, 2011 | 1:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This was my biggest worry when I ordered, but now that I’ve been using it, I’ve had no issues with it. I use Google Music and for the most part watch TV shows with Netflix, so the only data I really use is for books and documents.
Posted on Nov 23, 2011 | 1:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Looks like this will do pretty well
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:08 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
I really wanted a better score! Was hoping for an 8 :( Off to read the review…
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:08 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think Josh was plenty generous with the score. Heck, he’s given the ecosystem a point up on WP7 devices, and that’s despite the fact that this device is the first device to be locked into the Amazon AppStore. If something isn’t exclusive it’s platform how can it be weighted more than something that is? It’d be like judging Wonder Bread based on how it tastes with Smuckers, and then critiquing Home Pride plain and complaining that it’s too grainy.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:18 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Agree, it’s a fair review and a little generous in score – but that is understandably driven by the price bracket. This is a wholly unoriginal device but at a breakthrough(for a non-“fire”-sale device) price. There’s a whole bunch of people who would like to buy an iPad or Xoom but simply can’t justify the price of one.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:03 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I have to agree. After reading the comments in the review, I thought that Josh was going to give it a 6.5 or a 6.0 overall. It seems there were many negatives in the review, especially the Silk Browser not delivering the promised performance boost and the pathetic app store. But I am guessing that the price of $199 more than makes up for some of these things.
One thing not talked about is how the ecosystem and functionality is impacted if you don’t want to subscribe to Amazon Prime on an annual basis.
I believe that the Kindle delivers well for the content-consumption customer which is really all that Amazon cares about here. At $200 these things will sell great this Christmas. While the Fire is no replacement for a full-fledged tablet, the Kindle Fire will open the tablet market to folks who never would have spent the money on a full-fledged tablet.
Personally, I think that Apple needs an entry in the “content-consumption” space at a lower price point. Too many folks just want to use a tablet to read books and magazines and watch movies and TV shows. I think Apple can break the “screen resolution” constraint and produce such a device, but it would canibalize some iPad sales (the same sales that the Fire is going to eat into)
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 10:56 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
This is an excellent point and I think worth a small update to the review to talk about the considerations of not having Prime and how it affects usage of the device.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s almost as if we wants it to be amazing but it’s not quite that amazing, but it’ll do I guess that’s what I got out of reading the review wasn’t expecting a 7.5
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Agree. I didn’t look at the score first and upon reaching the bottom, I was also expecting a 6 to 7. I think I will wait to see how this plays out and may end up waiting for a second generation. I hope the Nook Tablet fares better. If it does, I may just use it to access Amazon through the web browser.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The point is that there are a lot of minor annoyances but not really any major ones. So it reads generally negative but gets a fairly good score. A well played review.
We’ll have to wait until January to see how $199 plays out in the market.
Posted on Nov 15, 2011 | 2:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But I think that as time goes on, the integrity of Apple’s OS will become even more apparent in the face of the Fire and it’s less smooth and luxurious UI. These will sell well for a good month or so, and then it’s another Playbook…
Posted on Nov 15, 2011 | 8:27 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think if amazaon will do well if the integration with it’s service is pretty tight, unlinke B&N it doesn’t rely on 3rd party partners to provide much of the content. Granted you could just buy a nook color and put honeycomb on it if you wanted an open tablet that could run the kindle app.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why would you jump to the score? The score means nothing without context. If you want to know what using a Fire is like, you have to read the whole review.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Video Coming?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:08 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I demand a video!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:10 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Video is coming shortly!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:12 AM EST reply Recommend (24) Flag actions
HURRY UP!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:51 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Agreed!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:57 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s there!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:31 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Wow, DivX Player, high bitrate, looks like a DSLR video camcorder on some kind of steadicam! Your video quality is insane.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:48 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Lol, where have you been? The rest of us have been enjoying the video quality for the past two weeks.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:28 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Why did you publish it without the video? It’s a core element of your reviews.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:21 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Because Engadget posted THEIR Kindle reviews about 30 seconds apart from when The Verge did. Seriously, Josh, do you people synchronize watches or something?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m guessing they’ve all had the devices a while, and the reviews already written, but been under embargo from Amazon and thus unable talk/write about them until a specified date and time, in this case 2am eastern time on Monday Nov 14th.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:50 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Ok awesome video. I’ll get this slow clap rolling…
*clap
*clap…clap
*clap…clap…clap
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:15 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Seriously, Josh? Justin Bieber in your Kindle Fire’s history?
AM DISAPPOINT.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:17 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
That’s actually Joanna Stern’s fault. She bought a book on my dime, and now it’s there FOREVER.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:30 AM EST reply Recommend (29) Flag actions
In my company, purchasing anything Justin Bieber related on the company dime would be a fire-able offense… just saying ;-)
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:03 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Stern Burn
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:19 AM EST reply Recommend (34) Flag actions
Those burns are serious.
She’s good.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, the 21st Century Macbeth has arrived.
The Digital Bloodstain. App idea! Patented, at least in my mind…
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:04 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Out, out damned Bieber!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 11:08 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
We want to hear her side of the story, before we let you off the hook :)
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This story about Joanna buying books…
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If I may say, the video’s constant zooming in and out is disconcerting. The panning adds a nice touch, but the slow zooms detract from video because the camera cannot maintain its focal point—you can see the lens fighting to maintain focus during the zooms, resulting in blurry shots of the Kindle.
Furthermore the camera zooms in while you’re pinching/spreading to zoom in/out on the tablet, so we often are looking at the camera and tablet page zooming in at the same time, or one is zooming in while the other is zooming out, or etc. You get the gist, it can be dizzying.
I enjoy the style, though. It reminds me of someone else’s reviews, can’t put a finger on it. It’s like inviting us into your house for a Fire-side chat. Anyway, just a suggestion.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I forgive you since you are clearly a DS9 fan.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 11:31 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I loved the older sci-fi novels and copies of OMNI in the artsy product shots. I really, really wish that Penthouse or whoever owns the rights now would release the entire run of OMNI as PDFs on DVD-ROM.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Looks cool but I need my 7" tab to be my phone as well.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:09 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You forgot that it also needs a slide out keyboard and lap dock .
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, I don’t own or need a laptop. And the keyboard on a 7" screen is more than suitable for light typing.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, just bluetooth for a headset.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Original Galaxy Tab owner?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:57 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I own a 7" ZTE V9 that I got for $99. Not only can I have comics, magazines, music and video on it, but it also has:
- Unlocked (there’s even a CyanogenMod for it)
- Internal SIM slot for 3G data
- Voice calling + SMS
- Overclockable
- GPS with offline turn-by-turn navigation via Sygic.
- Rear facing camera
- Bluetooth
- Light sensor
- Internal MicroSD slot
- Full Android market
I have been a satisfied Amazon customer for many years, and sure, I’d love to have more processing power in the future, but I can’t justify paying twice as much while losing so many features that I actually use.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:24 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
…..A really, clunky, lame-looking phone with a 7" display. Don’t forget to go Murse shopping.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:08 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How kind and witty of you to attempt to associate my device usage to my sexual orientation.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:15 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Huh? He didn’t- he associated ownership of a 7inch phone with a bag to put it in – but you just associated ownership of a type of bag with sexual orientation. Good job!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:32 AM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Wait…. you’re attracted to murses? That’s the weirdest sexual orientation I’ve seen.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My current one is black but I’ve been considering brown. What do you think?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 10:17 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Face plant….
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think the price is the key here. A score of 7.5 is decent for the price and everything that comes with Amazon’s media library. The goal was a media device and I think they might achieved that.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:10 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Sweet, Amazon pulled the trigger and did a stellar job. Now, take my money.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:11 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Cant wait to mess with the one my mom ordered
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:11 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’m guessing a lot of moms ordered on of these badboys. right on the front page of the most famous shopping website in the planet and all
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:52 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
We’ll have to wait a bit more in Australia – no release date set….
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:12 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Although I know I need a tablet that does more than this…the Fire has such an indescribable attraction to me.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:13 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Meh, I was hoping for a clear cut winner. This whole entry into the tablet space seems like an attempt for amazon to make people as aware of their movie and music content as they are of their ebooks. They need our attention and this is how they plan on getting it.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Isn’t the whole point of the Kindle for you to buy everything from Amazon?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:59 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
It’s a portal to and for Amazon.com. Even Jeff Bezos was transparent in that aspect.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:09 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
i dont like the verge score because it does not reflect the price of a product and overall assessment.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:14 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Given the whole review I think that’s a fair score. If this were $500-600, it’d get a much lower score I think.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:20 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
That’s basically right. I do factor price into the overall score here.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:42 AM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
You’ve beaten the design too hard for what ? “Unoriginal” ? Come on. What did you expect from a 200$ tablet ? Black and glossy screen…simple/functional/pleasant. Sheesh.
All The Verge’s scores are “7s” and this undermines the actual products. Sorry if I don’t agree with all of the aspects of your review(s). Good write anyway :)
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:54 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Amazon used an off the shelf design for the Fire. If that’s not “unoriginal”, then I don’t know what is.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:02 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Maybe you ought to start your own review site so you can give mediocre products 9s and 10s.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:09 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
The score would be in the 5-6 range if it were not for the price. The 6Gb of storage, jerky scrolling, lack of GPS/3G/camera options and restriction to a fork of Gingerbread aren’t features…. but the price is. I’d say the score is fair and reflects the fact that Amazon has done a pretty good job of distilling essential features for under $200.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:12 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Perhaps Josh expected something called the “Fire” to be more than a blank black slab of plastic?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 11:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, they did just give the iPhone 4S an 8.6 and the iMac a 9, so…
grins
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yet, if the iPad 3 cost $3500 you’d still give it a 15/10
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:21 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Funny then that the iPad has the best quality/price ratio on the whole freaking market.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If every hardware manufacturer consulted J-Top before making a device, the world would be a much better place.
Beautiful review.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:16 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
So it’s basically a skinned galaxy tab. I’ll pass but I’m sure this will sell like crazy. This comes off as an impulse buy tablet.
I don’t understand wanting a cheap tablet that does everything with astounding mediocracy. For the amount of time you’ll spend looking at the screen it’s worth upgrading to a real tablet, be it a honeycomb or iOS tablet.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:16 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Because you soon quickly realize that this tablet can do about 80% of what and iPad can do for just $200. It’s also in impulse buy territory, something Apple won’t approach fit several years to come.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:20 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
why would they when they’re still selling like hotcakes at their current prices? if they’re able to sell them for more, let them. don’t mock a company for making money because you think they ought to sell their products for less. if you made a product and sold it for X, and someone else sold something almost as good for a fraction of the price, but people kept buying from you because they just preferred it, would you really lower your price out of the goodness of your heart?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:52 AM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
80%? What are you smoking?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:32 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It can MAYBE do about 50% of what an iPad can do. I own both. The Kindle is VERY limited in functionality.
Posted on Nov 27, 2011 | 2:32 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
70 % of what I do on my iPad 2 is browsing the web (RSS readers mostly), 10 % playing games and 20 % listening to music/podcast or watching a video, with the occasional email check. I don’t know the usage pattern of others, but I don’t think it is that much different. The Kindle Fire seems to do all those things for 200 USD reasonably well – seems to be a good deal.
Screen size: 7" is far more portable. 10" means you need to take a bag with you, 7" might fit into your purse (woman) or jacket pocket (man). Personally my iPad stays at home most of the time exactly because of that. If I want to take it outside I need a bag. If I need a bag I can already pack my notebook which is a hundred times more powerful and flexible. It’s simply a matter of what you want to do with your tablet. For me it is a highly portable livingroom device, others might use it laptop replacement.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:26 AM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
Sounds like you should have bought an iPod touch instead.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:09 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well I have almost the same pattern of using my iPad but have you seen the performance of the KF web browser? And I do not mean speed of loading the site (this should improve in the time because of Silk) but I mean how sluggish is scrolling and pitch-to-zoom… Thats deal breaker for me
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:53 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Right off the bat you claim you spend 80% of your time in a browser. How in the hell as an iPad 2 owner can you say the Fire can replace it? With such a poor web browser? It lags worse than anything i have ever seen.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:07 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
You could always download a new web browser if you don’t like the stock one.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
is it possible to install an alternative browser? I’d like to see opera mobile on this tablet
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
as long as it’s on the amazon appstore then it’s available. Dolphin, Boat and Opera all are!
It can sideload some apps too but not everything works.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
which would be just a blown up android phone browser as it is 2.3 fork
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 10:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Opera Mobile has a tablet layout even on gingerbread. and since they’re web browsers they work pretty well on a tablet format in general
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A tablet with a screen smaller than 10" is called a phone.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:09 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So the 7inch galaxy tab is a phone? I can just see people holding it to their ear walking down the street. Pillock.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:00 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Saw a guy in China doing just that. He was in military uniform and a relatively big guy. I assumed it was body armour.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:15 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I bought a galaxy tab for exactly that reason. I know in non-us areas, it can be done. Apparently, not in the US. :(
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
All you have to do is load the stock Rom from Samsung on a US GSM Tab (AT&T or T-Mobile) and it gives you the phone back. It’s a great phone if you already use headsets (bluetooth or wired).
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 10:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So you carry your smartphone & tablet with you at all times?
Personally a 7 inch tablet overlaps my phone too much. My phone is for portability, I only take my tablet when I plan on using it.
Blurring the line between tablet & smartphone is a weird idea, you have 2 clear markets being compacted into 1. Bad for business.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:07 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Not everyone wants to pay ~$500 for a secondary device. This still looks more than adequate for email, web surfing, netflix, etc. At $200, it’s a steal, even with its shortcomings.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:57 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Love your username.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Agreed, but I think it is more of a tertiary device, unless it will replace your PC. I rely on my carrier to subsidize my phone, I pay full price for my laptop and will have to pay full price for a tablet too. I do not expect to use a tablet as much as my smartphone or laptop. US$200 is low enough to make thinking of getting a tertiary device.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
$200 is a heavily subsidized price. Amazon is losing money on each sale. They hope to make it up on the crap you’ll buy via the device.
Posted on Nov 27, 2011 | 2:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Really Josh… Steve’s book on the main picture.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:17 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
right behind a web browser of CNN. I bet that’s some sort of political statement. or it means nothing and you’re just trolling.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:55 AM EST reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
Trolls don’t actually read the article. Just an ironic observation (says the .Net developer / apple hater that is currently reading too….)
Posted on Nov 15, 2011 | 1:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
*it too
Posted on Nov 15, 2011 | 2:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Kindle Fire seems like your typical first generation Apple device: the 1st version is good but you really want to wait for v2 before taking the plunge (assuming you don’t buy every model out that comes out).
It really needs to be based off of ICS to get proper tablet app support and true hardware acceleration, plus I’d like to see 2x the resolution to get really crispy graphics on the display (after all you will be reading on it most of the time). Plus, they should add back the sensors they had to cut to get the price down to $200. In other words give me the iPad 2as the Kindld Fire 2 today for $200!
I pre-ordered this then cancelled when I realized that next years version is the model I really want. I can wait.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:18 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
I was thinking the same thing. I may just wait for the 10 inch model with a better resolution.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:20 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The thing is, what’s the chance that they’ll use ICS? This is just another Android Branch after all, it’s gingerbread based, yes, but I don’t know if they’ll update it with Google’s timeline or if the next version will be a better optimized version of this OS..
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If Google even open source ICS. I know they say they will but this is a prime reason not to.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
ICS has a ton of fixes for things the issues inherent in Gingerbread, especially w.r.t. the laggy scrolling and graphical glitches. Hardware acceleration, a ton of effort put into optimization, etc. It will also open up the Fire to ICS-based phone/tablet universal apps. It might take them a while to port their Fire-specific customizations, but they’ll have to if they want this thing to have legs.
I also fully expect an ICS ROM within 3 months of open sourcing.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If Amazon ever wants their App Store to have tablet apps, they’ll port the ICS to the Kindle Fire. Of course, what will end up happening is the skin will stay the same, and the only difference will be performance and more apps to download.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 11:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Exactly what I’m hoping for.
Posted on Nov 17, 2011 | 10:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
As far as the similarities to the Playbook, aren’t both devices manufactured by Compal and (presumably) based on their reference design?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:20 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks for the review Josh, I had a feeling the software wasn’t going to be as great as Amazon talked it up to be. At this low price point I can see many people picking it up this holiday season. I think the key to the Fire’s success will be if Amazon can get more developers on board. Looking forward to the video review!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:21 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’m glad that an “Android” tablet maker has finally figured out the consumers respond to the software experience. They become sucking into the experience and forget all about the hardware. Which is what Apple figured out with the iPad. That’s why the Fire will do well enough to be the best 7 inch tablet.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:22 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
*sucked in the experience
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
For $200, I never expected it to be an ipad killer. But from what I gather from this review, it looks like it will be a perfectly serviceable device and the kinks won’t be that big a deal to most people
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sounds like a product that’s a perfectly good low-end tablet, but still a low-end tablet.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:23 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
What did you expect at $200? They’re selling this below cost.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:02 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They are hoping to get a big chunk of money back from Amazon Prime memberships and streaming media purchases.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:09 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The question is, will it work outside the US? What if you took it to Europe, would you still have access to all the video content as an Amazon Prime member?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve heard if you take an Amazon Tablet outside of the US, it erases itself from existence.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:26 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
actually, Jeff Bezos will personally track you down and take it from you, slap you in the face with it, split it in half over his knee, then drop it on the ground and tinkle on it.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:56 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Obvious lies, everybody knows Bezos is a robot and cannot tinkle.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:35 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Dunno about EU, but in middle east/ much of Asia Amazon has no content stores, so it’s basically never going to be sold here. And it’s not as heavily subsidized in EU (I heard), so I guess they’ll make it harder for someone to buy in US & use elsewhere.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:26 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s not available at all in the EU. No announcement has been made about whether it ever will be.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:46 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So true. I heard that content will work only in US. And how can you preload movies if the internal storage is only 8 Gb? A Nook Tablet at least has more storage.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If you’re okay with compressed standard def videos (480p), then the Fire’s 6 GB usable storage holds 8.7 movies at 700 MB each or 17.5 TV episodes at 350 MB each or 13 hours of video at 467 MB/hr.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Amazon Prime in the UK doesn’t include video streaming.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:46 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Joshua’s 3rd Kindle” – Nice!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Has Amazon ever answered how SILK handles SSL connections?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
silky smooth
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:55 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
So not like it’s handling of webpages then.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:27 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I would hope the Silk browser would fall-back to non-proxy mode for SSL connections.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
damnit…
I was hoping for something better from the Fire. :(
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
one more thing!
I am absafuckinglutely loving this site. It’s amazing how you guys get things quicker than anyone else.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:28 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I’d give it a chance for the second gen…this product seems a little rushed. Underpowered, thick, low res screen. I think Amazon needed to get this out for the holidays and will come back with something really nice next year.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Some possible Kindle Fire corny news titles to watch out for:
“The Fire is hot.”
“The iPad 3 may extinguish the Fire.”
“Amazon Kindles a new Fire.”
“Amazon’s Fire burns Color.”
“After years in Amazon’s kitchen, the Fire is well done.”
“The Fire: It’s hot.”
“Kindle Fire burns iPad 2 sales.”
“Ring of Fire: Johnny would be proud.”
Any more?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:27 AM EST reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
please no
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:53 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Say no to the Kindle Fire and you’ll be cold this winter.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:03 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Seems like a good option to get as a good Black Friday deal for around $99. Even at 199 I feel like many people would be pleased with this.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:30 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How is that an option, since no one is selling it for $99 on black Friday?
Posted on Nov 27, 2011 | 2:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve begun trying to guess scores. Got it this time after reading the review!
cool story bro moment
Otherwise, great review Josh. But I’m a little disappointed the product isn’t completely awesome. It’s cheaper, but you’re going to be using a tablet for longer than a couple weeks so it’s like buying a netbook when you should by a good laptop. Save money, but is it worth the savings?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Also, it’s going to be annoying to see Amazon not reveal sales numbers, like they do with the kindle.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:35 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Can the Fire access local home shared content?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:35 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Nice review, seems pretty much what I expected. Looks like a solid product for a gen 1 offering. The killer feature here is really the price. $199 is practically in impulse buy territory for a lot of people. I didn’t imagine we’d have any decent products in this range so soon.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Steve Jobs is peering in between those books as if he’s looking over the kindle fire’s shoulder.
I see what you did there.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:38 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
A Possible Christmas Gift
This seems pretty promising. I can just imagine what software updates can fix, and just think about the next iteration of the fire that they make! Improvements will be made for sure :). First thing that’s necessary – removable storage such as a memory card (that or bigger internal storage). I might consider getting this for Christmas, mostly because of it’s awesome $200 price tag.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This review just showed that I would be much happier with the Nook Tablet.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:41 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Shouldn’t that wait until after a Nook Tablet review is posted?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nothing about the ebook reading experience?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:42 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes it does. Identical to Kindle’s app on other devices. Somewhat laggy page turns. There’s a whole section titled “Books”.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not there when the comment was originally posted.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No video review? No mention of the reading experience?
Frown on Face.
Otherwise good review. The lack of Widgets is a killer for me. I have to have a calendar and to0do apps on my homescreen.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:43 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Dirty Beaches is a fantastic band. Good taste, Mr. T!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:44 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m planning on buying one to tide me over until the iPad 3. $200 is a low enough price to where I can justify it as a side device that I’ll give away to a family member in due time.
I have a feeling I can’t be alone in that train of thought.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Would like to see The Verge Battery Test results
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:45 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
This. Has can one test a tablet and not provide it’s read battery life?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:27 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
how durable does the device feel? how is the reading?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:46 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It feels very solid – more so than the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7 that I recently gave to a friend because it sucked so bad. Reading is the same as on any LCD screen. Overall I’m disappointed with how limited the software is, but otherwise it seems fine.
Posted on Nov 27, 2011 | 2:52 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
jesus christ this is my 7 millionth time posting but I still can’t get over my disappointment for the fire now. I really truly thought it would be a fantastic device. god dammit!!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:49 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think this tablet will be a lot more exciting for me once the developers/hackers/modders get to them. Besides ROMs, I would like to see a full Android Market ported to it soon.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:52 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If it’s as easy to root and boots from the SD card first, i’m guessing the Nook Tablet will be the goto device for modders.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
When you look at the limited storage/RAM and no microSD card on this device, I think most people modders who want a cheap ICS tablet will end up getting the Nook Tablet. I just wish the branding wasn’t quite so prominent.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 11:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Finally! Finally a company has decided to make a solid tablet with a clean UI/UX; solid hardware; and a unified entertainment experience!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:52 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
josh spoke of a lot of sluggishness in the device though. he also didn’t speak much of if the device feels super durable or not :(.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He did say it felt solid with a good build quality.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Finally? Apple did all of that a year and a half ago.
Posted on Nov 27, 2011 | 2:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Video?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
First thing I looked for too, Where is it?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:57 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
read the MUCH earlier comments that say that video is coming
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:57 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The 8GB memory limitation with no expandability kind of kills it for me.
So close, Amazon, so close.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:56 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
after all is said and done it’s more like 6gb
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:57 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They expect you to store all your music on Amazon’s servers and also use the prime membership to stream videos and movies.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But what if I’m not in a good spot to steam content? Like going down the interstate outside of major cities, where even 3G coverage and bandwidth is spotty and inconsistent?
I could see this being a great, cheap device for keeping kids occupied in the car on long trips, but I don’t think the wireless networks are up to it.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 10:25 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s Wifi only so why would 3G matter? I suppose you could try to use it with a mobile hotspot or tether to your phone, but that’s not going to be great for video streaming, though it might work for music.
If you really want to get around the storage limitations on a trip, you need to bring your laptop and a USB cable. Or look into one of the wireless storage devices like a Seagate Satellite or Kingston WiDrive. I’m really curious to hear if those work with the Fire.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But that kind of defeats the purpose of a portable media device. (If I have to bring a laptop or external drive ) I’m sure the transfer rates would be sluggish too. I could tolerate file transfers at home when I could let it run but when outside, it could lead to other problems.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 10:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think that’s an obvious agenda. I’m pretty sure we all know why they chose not to include more storage — this doesn’t we want the same or if it’s a good idea.
Outside of the home, where else do I get wifi? Sometimes, I get public wifi. But, there are security risks with public wifi. Public wifi can also be sluggish so good luck streaming videos.
Most of the time, I won’t have public wifi access… then what would I do? Hotspot? Great way to kill my data usage especially if I’m not on an unlimited plan.
I just see this as such a big hassle with the only benefits going to Amazon.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 10:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Josh… does the Kindle fire have an email app? What about facebook and twitter app performance? Does it do notifications? Just how slow and choppy is the browser? How about reading books.. what is the music app like? How well does it deal with PDFs? Does the browser support flash and if so how well?
So many questions i still have after the review.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:58 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
mobile flash? really? o_O
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I want all these questions answered
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:00 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Amazon’s website says it has an email app and the browser has flash. All I can help you with. Hopefully the video will show us how performance is.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:01 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Added small sections on email and e-reader (it’s been a long night!). Twitter and Facebook vary by app (the Facebook “app” is simply a link to facebook.com). Music and video app are very standard fare, PDF handling is fine though can be somewhat sluggish with large files. Yes it has Flash — if you’re into that sort of thing. It really bogs down browsing.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:36 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Best summary of mobile Flash ever:
“if you’re into that sort of thing. It really bogs down browsing.”
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:00 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
But isn’t Flash done server side on Amazon’s cloud(a la Skyfire) ?
Oh and would it be possible to add a “Watch in Youtube” link to your videos(since you are posting them on The Verge’s official channel anyway) ?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:13 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Awesome thank you
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
By “PDF Handling is fine” do you mean it reads and renders them fine? Does it allow annotation? This is probably the ONE thing holding me back on this tablet. I don’t need it to be GoodReader-on-iPad good, but I would really like to highlight passages in PDF’s. popup notes would be a major bonus.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There is no Facebook app. There is a large Facebook icon masquerading as an app, but it is just a browser link.
Posted on Nov 27, 2011 | 2:57 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“This size and shape might very well be the sweet spot for many users, and since most people have never seen or used a PlayBook, the Fire should be a relatively new experience for them from a design standpoint too.”
Oh BURN!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:00 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Kindle Fire burn
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:01 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Giving it a name like the Fire opens up a world of puns.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:05 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wonder if the Silk browser was average because of a setting not being turned on, or if its only noticeable in low quality Wifi areas. And only 8 gb is completely ridiculous. But at least the integration of the shop is awesome. I find that feature alone to be the driving force behind this as a product. As well as the software . The OSs UI is gorgeous and soooo consistent.The contrast of grey scales and Amazon orange are a perfect contrast for interaction.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:02 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Could it be said that the OS is easier to use than iPads? Because contrary to popular belief, some people find its OS to be extremely hard to learn how to use, as its more complex.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s funny considering the countless YouTube videos of 1 year-olds playing with the device.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:00 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Disappointing…it’s like putting lipstick on a pig…it’s still Android underneath it all…and no I’m not an Apple lover…I own a Touchpad!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:05 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Condolences.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:59 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Read Josh’s review. Then read the review on Gizmodo. Night and day. I’m not trying to bash on anyone here. I just happened to read the review on Gizmodo before coming here. Great write up. I want to see videoooooooo!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:09 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
how the hell can it be so different?
what’s going on?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:18 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The review on Giz was a fluff piece. This really got down to the nitty gritty.
Regardless I’m waiting for one of these to arrive in the mail. It was nice to read a detail oriented review here.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Giz alway reserve their best reviews for Apple products.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:01 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I thought exactly the same thing. Gizmodo pretty much declared it on par with the iPad, seemingly based on nothing more than the presence of Amazon Prime.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:42 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Who still reads Gizmodo? It went downhill a long time ago.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:31 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
The AU staff post some pretty good stuff, but the US staff are pretty terrible.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Even if this isn’t an iPad killer, the pricepoint and the pre-orders suggest it’ll be pretty popular in the short term. If it’s a runaway success, what does that mean for competing tablets that’ll run ICS? Where will developers go if people are running in droves for this thing? I think it’s still unclear whether or not this will be competing directly with those devices or if the Fire and upcoming Nook Color successor are entering something like a netbook class of tablets.
Or maybe I’m misunderstanding the whole big picture.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wonder how easy it will be to put Ice Cream Sandwich on this device through CyanogenMod. If Amazon’s taking a loss or breaking even on device in favor of luring developers and customers into their ecosystem, is Amazon actively putting barriers in the way from using a flavor of Android other than their own? How intent are they on protecting this device?
Another question: How good is the screen? Is there any backlight inconsistencies like curtain “bleeding” along the edge of the device? How’s the color temperature? Dead pixels and other oddities that might have caught the eye?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:18 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
According to PC Mag Amazon is not doing much if anything to prevent rooting. The 8 GB storage may not leave you with much space to mess around. Amazon must realize that the Nook got a lot more buzz once people started hacking it. The number of users that would actually root their Fire and not buy Amazon stuff is probably insignificant.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Does the lack of a hardware “home” button present a barrier to ICS?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Ics is designed for all-screen, no button.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:02 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
“like most Android devices, you can only see battery percentage inside of a settings menu”. Not true. There are many battery widget apps that show battery info (txt + graphic). I like “BatteryLife”, which can also show temp & voltage.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think what was meant was that there is no percentage in the status bar. Nice nit you picked there.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:31 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
There are apps that display the percentage in the status bar.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But are they in the Amazon appstore?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:50 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Found this battery widget on a quick search, but nothing that puts a percentage in the status bar:
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:17 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It will definitely dent the iPad sales which means it will completely destroy the Android tablet market, if there is one. Samsung better find an ecosystem. Quick!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:22 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Samsung buys webOS?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:32 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wouldn’t say WebOS is the poster child of healthy ecosystems right now.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Where is the video review?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
To add to my last question about where is the video review, I really hope TheVerge didn’t put this out without the video review portion just to compete on review release time with other sites. Quality reviews are more important. Please don’t skip on great features of your review process like video.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
David Pogue said it was laggy and reading books was not a good experience. Any comments, Josh?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:29 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
just watch the verge videoreview – it basically confirms what Pogue said
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:39 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Hang on – can you actually put your own stuff on here?
Like, MP3s and videos YOU own?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How easy is it to do so? If I have 4GB of music I already have on my PC, can I easily get that on the device through drag-and-drop or some sort of syncing solution?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The device can be mounted as a USB drive — drag and drop.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:47 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Ah, cheers. I hadn’t seen that mentioned anywhere.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:51 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
This thing is going to sell regardless. At $200 how could you pass that up?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:35 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This review makes me very happy. A lot of the shortcomings sound like they are software based, so there’s room to hope that they can be fixed in updates. I think that will be Amazon’s biggest test with the Fire, to show great support to the product. They need to match Apple’s level of support for iOS to have this thing be really successful long term. I really want to get one of these, can’t wait to see the video!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:42 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My opinion. If you don’t want to pay 400-500 for a Honeycomb/ICS-upgradable Android tablet or iPad, the only decent choices are Kindle Fire and Nook tablet. If you don’t want to hack and install custom roms, Kindle Fire is a better choice because of Amazon’s ecosystem. But if you don’t mind hacking a bit and putting custom rom on it, pay $50 more and get the Nook tablet because it has better hardware spec.
The original Nook color has Cyanogenmod support. And I’m pretty sure that both the Nook tablet and Kindle Fire are going to get ICS version of Cyanogenmod down the road.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:43 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
While I agree the Nook tablet is likely to get ROMs, it doesn’t have any yet, nor does it have any reviews.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:52 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The lack of tablet optimized apps is what really gets me. Hopefully, they’ll make additions in the near future, or at least announce. I just hope they regularly update this, then it would be a killer device for only $200!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:43 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I pity people who can’t afford $500 tablets. I make that in 2 hours of work. I don’t need to save money on my electronics and I would rather have Apple products.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:47 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
As someone who owns multiple Apple products, I pity you for thinking that way. Then again no says that you have to be intelligent to be rich,
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:07 AM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Yes, you definitely represent the 99%. Everyone should be like you, and those who aren’t are just pitiful. Sounds about right.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Judging by the review I thought it was going to get a 6 or something. Guess the price has to be factored in…
I honestly hope the Nook Tablet does better than the Fire. Judging by the claims B&N is making about the battery life it probably will be pretty better. Plus you’ve got double the ram and internal storage for only $50 more, which if you think about the increments between ipad storage and cost, is quite the bargain. Also there’s already the base of a huge dev community thanks to the Nook Color.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:47 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I agree with you.
More: I could accept the 7.5 score compared to the 7 assigned to galaxy 7 plus if inside the evaluation features you had “quality/price ratio”. Without this evaluation key, the review score seems to be very generous with amazon and ungenerous with samsung
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:40 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Read right above the scoring guidelines:
“More times than not, the Verge score is based on the average of the subscores below. However, since this is a non-weighted average, we reserve the right to tweak the overall score if we feel it doesn’t reflect our overall assessment and price of the product.”
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Because the tablet market is still new, I think this is a bad move for Amazon. I am sure people will buy tons of these, but the question is How long will people use it? When android decided to focus on tablets it will leave the fire owners out to dry.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Can it sideload .epub-files?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:00 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
That is what i want to know. Can it read epub files I already have?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If you load the Aldiko reader app, which is available in the Amazon app store.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Keep it clean.”
Good advice for us all Joshua.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:07 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Josh – how is this not an “iPad killer” when most people consume content on their iPads ?
It’s $200 or $500 to browse, play with a few apps, and watch movies – hmm – I’ll go for $200
Btw im posting this with an iPad 2 lol
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:32 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think the app selection and lack of storage hurt it — also, the user interface leaves something to be desired. It’s also notable to say that if you do want to do more with the Fire, content creation and the like, you’re very limited right now.
It’s not a killer, but certainly a competitor.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:34 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
very well said Joshua
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:24 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I like the Verge and it’s guys even when I disagree with them but this site is filled with a bunch of “yes men” for viewers and commentators.
You all treat Josh and Nilay like demi gods. very bizarre.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t know about that, but most of us have a ton of respect for them. Btw, they tend to get a lot of attention when they post in the comment section because they actually take the time to comment. Not many sites like this one where the guys who run it get involved with the viewers. This place was built from the ground up for a smarter, more interactive experience and it’s appreciated. Now bow to the Kings!!;)
Posted on Nov 15, 2011 | 6:50 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But it is only competing in a very limited area of iPad sales. It will do much more damage to low end Android devices
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:50 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Right. The iOS ecosystem has depth that your mom may not ever use (to leverage a Vergecast joke), but it is there and people do use it. I can barely keep my fingers off iMaschine since I bought it on my iPhone, and Animoog really wants me to buy an iPad 2. But I must…hold…out… for the 3.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 10:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I feel like almost any tablet acts as a “competitor” to the iPad considering the fact that most people won’t be carrying around two tablets. Like it or not, buying a Kindle Fire will dissuade most people from even thinking of picking up a different product for 2+ years.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:27 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Disappointed that the browser is lackluster. Damn…
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:32 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Did I just see Justin Bieber in the video review?!
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 2:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This just makes me appreciate my $100 HP TouchPad w/ CyanogenMod even more.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:14 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
This… looks pretty awesome! I wonder by how much they raise the price for us Europeans? 30, 40%?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:17 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
if it ever comes over here…
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:52 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m betting 189 Euros, 179 Pounds inc VAT
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:48 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nope, since Amazon’s services aren’t as big here in Europe as they are in the US, the Fire probably will cost more over here, because they aren’t able to make as much money from selling content over here, and that’s what the Fire is all about.
My guess is that it would at least cost around 200-250 euro’s. Plus, it definetely will take some time for it to land over here. Launching it over here after the US sales-madness has faded seems the most logical option, so that would be early 2012. Their production would be (and would have to be) at full capacity around then, so they can serve both markets at the same time…
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How does the device interact with your computer? I’m wondering how you can manage local files – PDF’s , music, video, etc. How to get them on and the apps the devices uses to play them back. I’m not familiar with Android tablets, and wondering how this manages files (if similar or at all.) If you make any updates to this review or a future post about the Fire – I’d be interested in more screenshots of the device in use.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Like other Android tablets, it attaches to your computer as a mass storage device, like a USB key. Just drag and drop into folders.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The first reason this is not an iPad killer should be – it is US centric as hell, you can’t even buy it outside of US and most of the services are available only in USA (and it took apple years to bring their services to at least Europe). Also in the video review the UI (except for the homescreen) lagged like any other 2.3 tablet does EVEN while turning pages in a book?! The browser is terrible, why so much hype about it? It is great when you want a new window into amazon services that you most likely already use. Other than that it seems worthless even for its $200 pricetag.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:26 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Agree. There is only one reason to buy this, and that is price, it’s cheaper for now. But you will be replacing it in a shorter time frame than say, for e.g., those with an iPad, thereby making it more expensive.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:58 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Limited storage kills it IMHO. 8 Gb? Really?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:36 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Amazon released a 7-inch tablet and finally now people are getting to grips that this is a more convenient format for a content consumption device.
Shame that the Nook Color didn’t receive as much coverage, it was a really well execute device: http://www.stuff-review.com/2011-02/nook-color-review/
I will wait and see what the Nook Tablet has to offer first and then make up my ming.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Again we see how subjective ecosystem rating can be. Amazon gets 7, WP gets a 6.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:44 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Joshua – Did you compare the display alongside a Nook Color? The Nook Color has the least reflective LCD display I have ever seen on a mobile device and the only LCD display I consider good enough to read on. I am really curious to know how the Kindle Fire compares. In fact I am surprised to see no comparison with a Nook Color at all. Granted the Nook Tablet is out soon and I am sure you will review it, but would really like to know how the screens compare.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would say, nothing new here, move along. You were generous with the score. I give it 5.5.
The key phrase here is a good tablet for the price. That’s the only advantage is has over the iPad and some other Android tablets. Magazine reading will suck on the 7in. screen. It’s much ado about nothing.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 3:55 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I agree that the score was generous and it doesn’t seem to hold up against the iPad but I would say that magazine reading is still great on a 7-inch and you can hold it up for much longer.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ll have to play with one for a while.. seems a bit to narrow for a great magazine experience.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree. You have to trade off somewhere. The iPad is great for magazines and web browsing in portrait, while the Fire is hurt by its widescreen format. Portrait gives you too little width, and landscape gives you too little height.
The KF should give you a better video experience to the iPad though, as if you are watching full wide screen on the iPad the actual content will be about the same size because of the Fire’s wider screen.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 11:17 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Great review, Joshua. One thing that I kept waiting to read while going through it, though, was a closer-up look at just how the process of getting content onto the device works. You described it as being really seamless and best-in-class at the moment. I expected to read about details about what makes this process stand out… how is it more seamless/efficient than, say, getting similar content onto an iPad? At least on the software-side, that seems to be a differentiator here. Yet this review left me with the mere claim that the process is great. I believe you when you say it, but I still would have liked to read more about that aspect of the device.
Admittedly, I have not checked out the video review, which may well address just this process…
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Same here. The video doesn’t address it.
I have an iPad and it is not difficult to get content on it…if you only have one computer you want to sync with. Add in a second and you are going to be doing a lot of copying back and forth.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 11:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I can’t help but feel that there’s a rather large elephant in the room that is being ignored by the reviews I’ve seen so far:
“The amount of content you have access to — and the ease of getting to that content — is notable to say the least.”
While that is true as far as Amazon’s on-line content is concerned how many people are going to have all their content in that particular container? When you look at, for example, the iPad customers have the choice of going through Apple’s on-line offerings or loading via iTunes. Granted iTunes makes you jump through hoops regarding format but it is at least possible to get your own content into the library. Amazon really only has that for music as far as I know, and even then you need to upload your entire library which might be a real pain for people without unlimited plans and fast upload speeds. There’s also the slight problem of Amazon not having those on-line services outside of the US so for now this is definately a US-only product.
Oh, and how the heck does software get an 8 when there’s clear performance and design issues?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:15 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Just seen Josh say upthread that it mounts as a USB drive which helps somewhat but two things:
1) We know from the MP3 wars that drag and drop is not a particularly popular solution and I suspect more than a few people reading this site have horror stories of teaching non-technical friends / family / random strangers how to do that properly.
2) From another review which shall remain nameless Amazon don’t actually include a data cable in the box, just the charger, so I wonder how many people are going to find out about this in the first place…
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:19 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
LOL, wow. I mean I understand the only way they’re gonna make money from this is through Amazon services, but wow man.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It should work fine with desktop clients like Doubletwist, Winamp, and Songbird too. Or Windows Media Player.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
waiting for generation 2. for now i’ll be content with my kindle and laptop.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Normally I get the Verge’s scoring, but this time I don’t, which is to say I don’t quite get how I’m supposed to interpret it.
At 7.5 the Fire scores solidly for an Android tablet, but is that 7.5 absolute performance, ie. is this a better device than Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus? Or is the score scaled across the board by the price, ie. it’s only better considering the price?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:45 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Seems like the price is included in the score.. after all, Josh said he would hesitate to recommend it over a honeycomb tablet.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:23 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So this is not the iPad “killer” everybody was talking about before launch.. I guess for now iPad 2 still reigns suppreme even 9 months after release.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It was only the press that touted it as an “iPad killer” , Amazon didn’t. It isn’t really in the same market. What it will do is wipe out the low end Android tablets that have been the bulk of sales up until now.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:46 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Only media types and Apple fanboys like to try to call it an “ipad killer” so when it doesn’t perform up to the iPad (which is 3 c-notes more expensive) they can shoot it down and give praise to apple.
It’s akin to saying the Honda Accord is a good car, but it’s not as good as the Audi A6. Clearly meant for different audiences and different tastes. If you want to pay for the high end, get the high end. This was meant as an e-reader that can also deliver streaming media content, not play Quake 3.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It might dent Apple’s sales, we will need to wait and see. But it will absolutely destroy the Android tablet market, which frankly has very few advantages over the KF.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 4:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Don’t know if this will be a great gift. From what I’ve seen, “normals” use tablets mainly as e-mail and web-browsing pads. If that’s noticeably worse than on different devices, this might not be the thing to get.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s how non-nerds use iPads. It’s not necessarily how normal people will either view or use the Kindle Fire. Judging from my own acquaintances, the most important factor is how well it will do as an e-reader. Internet and other media consumption is a bonus. Normal people still read books. Real books, not just biographies of Steve Jobs.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There is a night and day difference between the comments on The Verge and Engadget. On The Verge everyone is actually being pretty nice and objective. Engadget everyone is just blasting everyone all the time including the editors..
Endaget seems outdated now too! Glad you guys started up this new site!
Oh BTW: Kindle Fire Rocks! Too bad I already have an iPad 2.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Congrats for the very cool site.
Just wondering why value isn’t included in the subscores list or do we have to assume it is a parameter used to evaluate the subscores?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:32 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Tandy 100 in the background of the video made my day. Thanks Josh.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 5:46 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Android 2.3? Are you kidding me, Amazon? Another overhyped wannabe iPad contestant.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:01 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It isn’t Android 2.3. It is Amazon’s own OS forked from 2.3
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:45 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Looks like another fanboy that can’t appreciate good tech at a good price.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The vast majority of Kindle Fire purchasers don’t know what Android is, and couldn’t possibly care less what version of Android the Fire OS is forked from.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
hey josh,
do you think it’s a good idea to buy the pad even though i’m located in germany? i know i can’t use some of the integrated stuff but i just want a device that is capable to offer me a nice reading experience but also some web surfing. I’m not that deep into the apps stuff, so that is not a main criteria for me.
Thx.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
it’s all about selling…
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t know. The Kindle app I can get on any tablet so…. And they didn’t even include the X-Ray feature!? What is up with that.
All in all, the most praise seems to be for Amazon’s clever use of keeping buying streamlined.
But, as much as I appreciate the business model Amazon is employing here – that capability is of benefit to them more than to myself.
I don’t want to feel like I am living my leisure time in a checkout aisle.
From Engadget’s review it seems plane that this thing is far from ideal for reading magazines, etc…
And while the front page looks slick I am starting to think it is lacking in some basic usability, such as creating multiple flip-books of my own for books or apps or whatever. Not to mention not even being able to delete items off of what is there. We’ve come a long way form anonymous browsing mode when you can’t even delete where you’ve been from being seen on the front page of your device as you go about.
Josh mentions the software is better than the Nook Color – but how? Show us the comparison there please.
Much like the Engadget review they seem to find very little they like about this and then sum up by saying it is great for $200. I’m not so sure at this point honestly.
And finally, I think the term “forked” is being thrown about a little liberally here.
It remains to be seen if they are truly forking Android or if they have just supplanted the now-about-to-be-obsolete version of Android’s outward windows shell with one of their own.
There is a bit of a difference there.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m someone who wants to enjoy books and movies.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 6:41 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Will this device work for someone who drinks rum and likes Captain Jack Sparrow? Can it play MKV, AVI or WMV files natively or are there any apps that will play them formats?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:21 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t see any of my go-to video apps in the Amazon app store, like Rockplayer or Moboplayer. Probably needs one or more of those to get ported to play video files decently.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Update: I was able to pull the Moboplayer APK from my phone and sideload it on the Fire. Works great. The stock video player only supports H.264 and webM, which is pretty lousy.
You need to have rooted your phone for this to work, but once you’ve done that you can use an app called root explorer (or adb shell if you’re comfortable with a command line) to copy /data/app/com.clov4r.android.nil.apk to your SD card (probably /sdcard). Then you can copy from the SD card to your computer, and then to your Kindle Fire (adb install com.clov4r.android.nil.apk).
Posted on Nov 17, 2011 | 11:05 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
With recent integration Gaming, Music, Radio and Social Apps for KindleFire and a price which is lesser than the ipad and not to mention Amazon retail chain store integration, the KindleFire will beat teh iPad in sales definitely this holiday season
See more about gaming and social integration here
http://thetechnologycafe.com/amazon-unleashes-gaming-music-radio-and-social-apps-for-kindlefirewatch-out-ipad/
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:24 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A 7.5 from Josh is pretty good. I’m glad I preordered mine. The reviews on The Verge are harsh, so really, anything over a 6 makes me happy. A 7.5 from this crowd is really just about perfect. :)
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:36 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
I’d rather have this over 9’s and 10’s for every new device. This leaves room for innovation, and doesn’t make sites look like fools when something truly amazing is reviewed.
Even when something is great, there is always room for improvement, and that’s exactly what the Kindle Fire score says to me.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:30 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Exactly! I have no problem loving a device that has a 7 or 8. It’s a bit ridiculous to go to other sites and see everything get a 9 or a 9.5. Not a lot of room for improvement.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Given the similar specs (and price reductions), what is the compelling reason to buy this over the Playbook?
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Amazon Prime
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apps. Prime. It even has an email client.
Posted on Nov 15, 2011 | 6:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I know jack about programming so im sure someone can inform me. But my understanding is that if a program is written for ICS it will be gingerbread compatible, which would make it Fire compatible wouldnt it? Didnt Andy Rubin even say that the Fire adheres to all of Android’s APIs?
Sure the developers would have an extra location to have to maintain their app, but if im right ppl are really over blowing this forking of Android. Commence correcting me now…. :)
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Other way around. ICS can run apps written for previous Android versions, but apps that use any of the new ICS APIs or features will only run on ICS.
Of course, it’s possible to develop for ICS and not use any of the new features, at which point they will run on Gingerbread. And that will likely be how things go for the next 12-18 months – you won’t see (m)any apps leveraging ICS until there’s a decent number of devices running it.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 11:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s also possible to write apps that take advantage of ICS APIs if they are available (i.e. – the app is running on an ICS device), but gracefully degrades on older Android versions.
There’s a ton of posts on the Android developers’ blog on using reflection to detect new APIs, which is the programming technique used for this.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Can see the size as an advantage over the iPad for some applications. Also like how it seems to be a tightly integrated amazon experience. Unfortunatey this is also one of the big drawbacks as well. I have a prime membership mainly for shipping purposes, but don’t have a portable device compatible with their prime video selection. I have a love of gmail and google calendar, but also use some apple devices. Sometimes competing services and ecosystems play well together, other times not so much. So while the price point is sure to sell and amazon has an extensive library I can’t see myself sinking into a forked android system with little assurance of future iterative compatibility.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:42 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Josh,
I think it’s a bit unfair to knock the fire for “forking android” to create yet another ecosystem for apps that developers have to worry about. What if Amazon had created their own OS ala QNX on the playbook? Wouldn’t that have been more difficult for developers to create new apps from scratch? Obviously Amazon had a choice to either create their OS or use android and I think they chose wisely. I believe it will be clear to anyone that buys this that this is not an ipad by the $200 price point. and its primary function is reading books, browsing the web and watching videos. I also believe the people that will buy most of these do not care what version of android it is running.
It feels like you want android to be this unified OS with the same experience everywhere (like a certain fruit company) but that is clearly not Google’s strategy. They make android " open" and “free” (damn you MS) so that it can be used everywhere possible like TVs, cars, washing machines, home automated systems etc..If people are calling it fragmentation now, what will you call we have all these versions running on all these other devices. I can just see the forums now…… I wont buy that car because its still running on honeycomb
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:51 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Forking Android is indeed better than yet another mobile OS, but it’s definitely disappointing to not have the full Android market on here.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 1:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Didn’t need the review. I ordered 2 of these on the announcement day. If you are into the Amazon ‘Ecosystem’ as I have been for a few years this was a no brainer.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 7:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice review. Will not be getting one since I already have the iPad and there is nothing here to compel me to get another tablet. The real test is what Amazon will do with ver 2.0 and how they handle their relationship with developers.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This table looks amazing, but the Nook Tablet have a nice hardware too, including a SD slot and 16gb internal, is a good upgrade for $ 50 more. I am in doubt about which one to choose. >_>
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:13 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
If you like Amazon’s unified ecosystem approach (and sign up for the Prime membership) you’ll want this instead.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 9:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I just hope this isn’t the only device that will be able to stream amazon instant video in the future. I can’t watch it on my TiVo, there’s nothing for the iPad or iPhone or Apple TV. Amazon has it’s hooks in me when it comes to books, but that’s about it. There’s no justification for me buying the Fire other than being a geek and wanting to try new tech. I get all of my music through Rdio, Mog and occasional iTunes purchases and there’s no way I’ll leave the selection of apps on my iOS devices.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:17 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s not the only device that can stream Amazon video. Buy a Roku – they’re cheap.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 12:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My Logitech Revue does a nice job of it as well. That’s part of the reason I’m picking a Fire up. Ecosystem.
Posted on Nov 15, 2011 | 6:56 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My favourite part of the video review was where he was showing off the cover flow thing – “you can’t actually remove anything from this list” as Justin Beiber flashes across the screen haha.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:30 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Isn’t the whole point of the Silk browser the server side caching and the crowdsourced prefetching? Neither of which would work until the general public has their Fires. Until then, no real way to test Silk’s true browsing speed.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:33 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Those would affect its load times not it’s terribly lagging scrolling,zooming etc. It’s a bad browser no matter how fast it might load when amazon gives it a server side push.
The browser is piss poor compared to everything even vaguely current.
Posted on Nov 14, 2011 | 8:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Piss poor? LOL, get a grip. It’s a nice device at $200 meant to deliver Amazon’s streaming media content mo