HP CEO Meg Whitman just told a room full of Palm and HP employees that the company doesn't yet know what to do with webOS. "It's really important to me to make the right decision, not the fast decision," she told those gathered with her on the HP campus, adding that a decision would come in the next three to four weeks. This comes as a bit of a surprise, as reports recently swirled that the computer-maker has been in discussions to sell off the troubled mobile platform to the highest bidder. "If HP decides [to keep webOS], we're going to do it in a very significant way over a multi-year period," she said, adding that "it's a very expensive proposition, but HP can make that bet."
Whitman also said the only reason she hasn't made a decision yet is because she had to first figure out what to do with HP's PC business (which she decided to keep) and manage the acquisition of Autonomy. Whitman added that she knows the added delay on a final decision about webOS is "unsatisfying," but that "the economics of this business are tough," and she needs time to decide whether HP should invest in webOS at great cost or if "there's another way to create that ecosystem." We're also told that Whitman focused primarily on tablets and said that "things get more complicated if you add in phones."

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Burn it.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:50 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Burn everything!
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:54 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Scorched Earth? WebOS style??
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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Burn it down.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 10:49 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Epic Fail or Epic Win?
Posted on Nov 10, 2011 | 12:57 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
NOPE NOPE NOPE.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 11:08 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
how the heck did you do that?
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 12:54 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
+1 for imgur like thread
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 6:59 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I finally meet another imgurer on the web.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 6:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
YES, burn it. WebOS always sucked.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think it had a lot of potential but never got off the ground. It seems late in the game to want to keep it.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:43 PM EST reply Recommend (17) Flag actions
Eh, I have to disagree. webOS has always been behind the competition but in theory it has always been the best mobile OS (key phrase is “in theory”; it’s never actually been the best).
I’ve used webOS, Android, and iOS fairly heavily. I dabbled with WP7. webOS is both the best and worst OS compared to them. Multitasking, webOS wins hands down. The other phones aren’t even in the same league. Notifications are better on webOS too in my opinion, but that’s really minor since Android does it well and iOS does it like Android does it now. webOS is intuitive (not quite as intuitive as iOS though). On the other hand, webOS loses by a mile in terms of polish. It’s slow, laggy, buggy, lacking some nice minor features with a terrible app store.
My SGSII does plenty of things my Pre- can’t do and it also does a lot of things FAR better. But normal operation feels clunky compared to my Pre-. My personal dream phone would be the SGSII hardware (but at 4" not 4.5", I’m starting to hate this big phone trend; 4.5" isn’t comfortable to hold and they’re making 4.7" phones?!) running webOS but with access to the iOS app store.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:49 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
You’re absolutely right. WebOS gets a ton of praise and I believe is viewed as an underdog, but when you get right down to it and use it, you see all the flaws. Sure it does some things well, namely the card interface and synergy… Actually, it’s debatable those things are actually any better than the competition!
That said, I would love to see it get some love. Maybe it can’t compete in the phone space but it might in areas like simple computers for elderly or maybe even always connected PDA’s, if smartphones haven’t entirely killed that market.
I would like to see it in someone else’s hands though. HP is pretty damn incompetent.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 1:32 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I agree. The main part that is good is the card interface. There is not much else going for it. It’s also debatable that even Apple’s boring implementation of multitasking is better since you can see more apps on the task tray at once which makes it more efficient.
WebOS was very pretty though and the gestures were really cool. I could get a WebOS device if it had a larger screen and an on-screen keyboard.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 7:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My Pre 3 runs like a dream. Though, i would love a better app selection.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 5:29 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The problem is that everybody thinks that the consumer wants a phone to be almost tablet sized i.e. a phablet. I hate huge phones! Give me a Lumia 800 or iPhone 4S any day over a quad core slab of Android.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 9:26 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
everything that I’ve never used has sucked. I never used them because they sucked. I know they sucked because I didn’t use them.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:56 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
This comment sucks. I didn’t read it because it sucked. I know it sucked because I didn’t read it.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 2:02 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
every comment that I’ve replied to has sucked. I always reply to them because they sucked. I know they sucked because I didn’t read them.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 8:35 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Put it on printers.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:46 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
Then burn it
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:49 PM EST reply Recommend (46) Flag actions
LOL! Too funny!
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 9:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
lol but that’s really getting old…
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 9:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Eat it
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:06 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
webOS is the best mobile os ..you never tried stop trolling
-sent from touchpad
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 6:37 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
They’d be silly to keep it. Just stick with Microsoft. Windows 8 is on the way.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:51 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
You would say that, though, wouldn’t you, Mr. Warren? :)
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend (26) Flag actions
I speak the sense Mr Savov :)
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:57 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Winrumors VS. The Verge
Who will win???
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:00 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Winrumors, clearly.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:21 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I think any site whose name is a portmanteau of a product name and “rumors” should automatically be disqualified from the aforementioned battle royale.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:23 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
You mean I shouldn’t take “Meegorumors” seriously?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:32 PM EST reply Recommend (22) Flag actions
Actually I think it would make a lot of sense to SELL it to Microsoft.
Let MS fold some of webOS’s user interface innovations into Metro as well as adding to MS’s patent portfolio, which lately has proven very lucrative for the company.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:56 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Yup I agree here. WebOS is a lovely OS it just suffers from crappy hardware and perhaps a bit of software optimization. Not sure Microsoft would want it though, they’re hell bent on using Windows everywhere.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:58 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Windows Everywhere would make a great name for an OS
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:20 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Or their cloud service. SkyDrive is a terrible name.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 2:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not as terrible as Icloud.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 10:49 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
that would be iCloud geez.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 4:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Names in the English language begin with capital letters. I do not care about Apple’s branding decisions regarding trademarking their products.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 7:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
they both arent that great…just go w/ mySpace gasp …lol, i laugh cause its an actually good name for storing your stuff, you get the whole “cloud” ether thing without the trying to make up these crazy names…keep it simple… myspace, …my cloud space, mystuff, …or deathstar…haha
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 4:20 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Sell the patents?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I hope they don’t because it could end up in the wrong hands, patent trolls are wreaking havoc on the industry and stifling innovation and competition. The big guys have their warchests of patents and teams of lawyers so patent trolls arent as big of a threat to them, but when little guys with great ideas and fresh perspective want to build something, but can’t get out of the gate without huge lawsuits from patent trolls that hold ridiculously vague and un-instantiated patents, we all lose.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 11:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Good thinking, they get the patents too (if there are any)
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Palm has a gazillion patents.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Palm split into hardware and software divisons – HP bought the hardware business, which had gone on to develop webos. The old Palm related IP went with the other side.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 6:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m pretty sure you will find that Palm recombined before the Pre came out and the patents were a large part of what made it worth the money HP paid.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 10:11 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
why can’t they sell the same hardware with two different flavors’ windos and ofcourse webOS
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 1:21 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow. I thought for sure they were done with it. Maybe this is a hint that Windows 8 tablets aren’t going to be great.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t think it has anything to do with Windows 8. It’s like when you were a kid and you had this toy you never played with but you didn’t want to get rid of it.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Fantastic analogy. It’s an expensive toy, but still.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The toys I play with the least are some of the most expensive!
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Nice analogy
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Let it go Indiana… "
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:03 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Exactly. This is called the “”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost_fallacy" >sunk cost fallacy".
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 11:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Way to go, Verge. Sunk cost fallacy. (Typed it manually that time).
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 11:49 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
If you don’t know what to do with it let someone else try. Just sell it already.
Unless they’ve already found out no one wants it…
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:51 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
“let me handle it…”
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:51 PM EST reply Recommend (42) Flag actions
Ahahahaa that is so mean but so funny at the same time!! lol
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Haha that’s funny
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:04 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
You can’t handle it. You’ve only got three fingers and a thumb on each hand.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 11:26 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
I can’t get Norm Macdonald’s stupid voice out of my head now…
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 2:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Jesus just kill it already! I am tired of seeing my favorite OS suffer any longer. Just let it end so it can be a faded happy memory and not a negative one…Do we let our dogs and horses suffer when they break a leg? No, we shoot it and end it’s life. That’s what HP should do…
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:51 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I agree. Leo already gutted the whole division and destroyed any value it had left by abruptly ending production of devices. Palm’s too far behind now to keep up. I’m personally hoping they sell to Google or Apple so they can incorporate the best ideas of webOS in their products.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:00 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I am still rocking a pixi plus (with a pink touchstone case :P ), and it is such a small capable device. But it is sad how much the software is stagnating while the other OSes or making such amazing improvements in both hardware and software. As I move on to the galaxy Nexus, I want to remember this device as “the little phone that could” not “the horse that was beaten to death, chopped into tiny pieces, beaten again, burned, then fed to ravenous vultures”
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:02 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I had a Verizon Pre Plus, which I replaced three times. It broke about two months ago out of warranty, so I got a used Fascinate. After using Android for a while, I still love the UI design of webOS with its many gestures. It just flows better. And multitasking is unparalleled. With Android I feel like I’m constantly poking the screen. It looks like Android’s integrating more gestures into ICS though and I’ll definitely be getting a Galaxy Nexus. I am a fan of the larger screens on Android phones.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:14 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Another Pixi Plus user here, rocking an orange Touchstone case, who’s also ready to get a Galaxy Nexus. I think HP just needs to put Palm out of its misery.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:22 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Same here: Pixi Plus, Orange case, ready for Galaxy Nexus. But you bet your ass I’m gonna hack the touchstone charger into my Nexus case! Why hasn’t anyone else used the great advancements webOS made?
I say Open Source it! Let it live on with Preware and the great folks at WebOSInternals- they were the only redeeming software makers for the OS anyway. I can’t wait to use my $40 Pixi with an Arduino for some cool hacking experiments.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:25 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Go to the windows phone platform young ones it is a much cleaner interface than the galaxy nexus listen to me!!!!!
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 12:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I actually do want to go Windows Phone. I am a huge fan of livetiles (check out my desktop in the desktop screenshot forums :) I bought my mother-in-law the Trophy off contract for $260 as her first smartphone and so I could check it out.
The thing is, I don’t want to spend that much money on hardware right now for myself, particularly when the Nexus will be only slightly more (yes, I am using my upgrade and getting into a contract, but that’s ok). I was hoping against all hope Nokia or Microsoft would surprise us with a new phone on Verizon (the carrier I am stuck on against my will), but it never happened.
I am sure sometime late next year they will release one, and it will support LTE and it will be awesome. I will gladly auction off my Nexus at that point and jump ship – assuming ICS and any iterations made don’t Android don’t blow my socks off by then.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 9:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh for god’s sake… this is getting old.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:51 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
So webOS is just caught in a perpetual storm created by HP and their bone-headedness. For christ sakes, just kill it or don’t kill it. Sell it or don’t sell it.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They are clumsy as they are stupid
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:41 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Here’s a novel concept, put it on decent hardware and slowly build a user base? Microsoft isn’t having problems with this…
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
I think theres room for a niche OS, plus in 5 years time, who knows what the landscape will be.
If not Meego, then let it be WebOS.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
it’s a great concept, but honestly…how late is too late to launch an OS. and i really mean launch, because let’s face it, in terms of the hardware sales of botch the touchpad and all their phones together, this would effectively be a brand new launch for webOS (compared to other systems on the market and their selling rates).
Posted on Nov 10, 2011 | 4:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
eh to be more concise 1) no hardware 2) need to come w/ a 100% polished software experienced (no rushed to market feel, like the pre 3) 3) an ecosystem from essentially scratch compared to others
major uphill battle, i dont think anyone would wanna take this task
Posted on Nov 10, 2011 | 4:12 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think Google should try buying it. Patents + a better way to multitask seems like a good idea to me for Android 4.×.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wish google would! But they won’t because they see integration as anti open source. At least, that’s my perception.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I had always thought that integrating the card multi-tasking in Android would be more difficult than just buying webOS. Because Android relies on native apps (for lack of a better word) while webOS doesn’t, porting just the card UI without making significant changes beneath the surface would result in a pretty clunky experience.
Is that correct, or would Google actually have a use for webOS?
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 4:31 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They should sell $99 TouchPads pre-loaded with CM7 Alpha 2.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I have cm7 alpha 2 on my touchpad and while it’s nice to have the option, I honestly enjoy webOS WAY more. Overclock the CPU and webOS is actually quite good on the touchpad. A phone version of an OS on a tablet is just a bit funky.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Open source it! Although, I don’t know that would necessarily benefit HP…
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
HP could still sell hardware and services.
If they were to sell unlocked handsets with unlocked bootloaders, I think there would be considerable interest from people who are interested in running Android as well (especially if the handset was actually decent).
The thing people hate the most about Android is bloatware, and locked handsets. Sell a handset that completely cuts the carriers out of the equation, and gives an untainted, and completely “hackable” OS and handset from a major manufacturer, and they might strike a nerve.
There isn’t any room in the market for yet another closed, proprietary mobile platform. WebOS missed the train, and HP isn’t willing to invest in the platform to compete with Microsoft and RIM.
…so why not go the completely opposite direction? WebOS is only valuable if there are people using it. The easiest way to get people using it is to make it as accessible as possible.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think HP is considering that, and thus the delay. Think about this quote from Whitman in the story above:
[if] “there’s another way to create that ecosystem.” She mentions this as an alternative to making a huge investment. If they did it right, i.e., truly open (in contrast to how that other company does open), they might generate a whole lot of interest.
It’s a tough call on whether HP could pull this off, given their track record. They’re probably crunching the numbers and making projections, wondering if they can make an open source deal work.
If nothing else, it will give Stallman an additional choice when he borrows someone’s phone.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 2:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There is already a decent user base with the Touchpad. The 7" version is already designed.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t think HP has the design intention, innovation or creativity to make webOS what it deserves. Sell it to someone who can do something with it.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
— “I don’t think HP has the design intention, innovation or creativity to make webOS what it deserves.”
Palm didn’t either…
Who will be the 3rd company to attempt something with WebOS ?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m excited to find out. Amazon def isn’t the company to do something great with it though.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:26 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Actually, Palm did have the innovation and creativity to make webOS what it deserved; It simply didn’t have the budget to give it good hardware.
WebOS has that spark – that soul so to speak within it’s very core to make it the most legitimate contender against Android/iOS.
As for who they should sell it to; That’s not my place to say. But anyone – someone who can see the potential in this operating system can and would do a better job than the people at HP. It’s like they could care less.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well… don’t you think hardware should have been something for Palm to focus on?
A good OS is nothing without decent hardware. Palm couldn’t do it.. and apparently neither could HP.
The thing that kills me is… Palm used to rule the smartphone and PDA world. The Palm Treo and Centro were everywhere… as was the Palm Pilot in its day.
Palm used to know a little about hardware… they were a huge player at one time. How could they mess that up?
You said it best.. and I actually agree with you. Palm made an amazing OS.
But they didn’t have the hardware to back it up. And hardware is rather important in this game… don’t ya think?
That’s why I’m not so forgiving to Palm… and now HP.
If they were just gonna make an OS… fine… make an OS. But they both tried to compete in the hardware game too.
Sadly… it didn’t work out.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 11:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I predicted this exactly, five hours ago: https://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/134012334288027648
— Rod
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Wait THE Rod Whitby from WebOSInternals and the Precentral Community?!
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
A completely inconsequential prediction, great. Can you shed any light on what the actual news will be?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s the whole point. There will be no news.
— Rod
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:55 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
That’s the point of your prediction, but it’s not the point of the story. There’s no hope for an orphaned platform in a third home – HP either supports it, or it’s dead. One or the other will be the news.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Neither will happen.
— Rod
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:57 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You’re just trying to annoy me now.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, I’m deadly serious. HP will continue to honour the warranty on devices, which will require a skeleton webOS staff to do so. They will not sell it, and they will not support it. It will bit-rot over the course of a year or so.
— Rod
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:00 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Agreed – it will softly and silently vanish away
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Semantics! It’s dead.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If your semantics equate “death” to “not in the top 5 by market share”, then you are correct, and have been correct for the last two years.
— Rod
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:05 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So. will you keep supporting this platform?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The hardware and software works the same today as it did yesterday. Homebrew support is not about market share or popularity. That’s what makes it “homebrew” rather than “commercial developers”.
— Rod
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:10 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
If your semantics equate “bit-rot” to “death,” then that’s enough explanation for me.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Bit-rot is the state just before death. For most people, it’s equivalent. For the homebrew community, it’s quite different.
— Rod
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You take it. It’s a lovely platform. Have fun!
– Sent from my iPhone
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s something we can agree on. Cheers.
— Rod
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How long have we heard this same thing? I love webOS and greatly thank you and webOSinternals for all the work you’ve done to keep webOS alive. I want to come back on a new phone and I’m told I need to wait…. longer…. again.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Indeed, the continued lack of clarity from HP is equivalent to death of the platform for most people (homebrew community somewhat excluded).
— Rod
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How does she not know… Make a tablet that doesn’t have outdated hardware. It’s not hard to understand.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Frankly today, that’s not enough. People want and need an ecosystem of apps/services behind these mobile type products and HP/WebOS just doesn’t have it.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How bout they hire a group of developers to design must have productivity apps that really make an hp tablet with web os a work machine then? obviously no one else is doing it so hp has to get the ball rolling by creating killer apps.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s a tall order. I think it would be easier and more profitable to develop a bunch of apps the average consumer would want, like Netflix and Angry Birds.
And, of course, you get a free printer…
Seriously though, it seems like it shouldn’t be too hard for HP to leverage it’s PC distribution channels to give them a fighting chance in the tablet world.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, its kind of like RIM selling the Playbook without an email client…. REALLY? From the guys that are have the BB which is known for business and Email?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
PUT IT ON PRINTERS AND BE DONE WITH IT ALREADY!
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
wants to stab my eyes out right about now
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
All I want is see webOS devices. This OS is excellent.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is going to be the longest StoryStream ever…
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
PRINTERS?!
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Good point Ron. This is actually par for the course.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Absolutely ridiculous, just license it
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Either they are incredibly stupid or they reckon that there is still some bidding in the companies that were leaked and they could get a higher price if they leave it drag out. Still seems stupid to me to be honest but I don’t know much about this jazz.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They really need to keep the wraps on this story until they actually have something to say. HP needs help in the communications department.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
We didn’t know what you are going to do with webOS. So you hold a press event just to tell us that you don’t know what to do with it either?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
webOS has some really cool ideas, but financially speaking, it would be silly for HP to sink any more capital into it considering the competition and state of the industry as a whole.
Instead they should just give it to the open source community!
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
They should have never given up on it in the first place.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:54 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I really did not buy my TouchPad to have webOS living on it forever, but if it does come back from the dead (for like, the 16th time) I will check it out. And if someone does not buy it soon, I will but it.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is so comical.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, she needs to decide to keep it or just sell it off. Most importantly, don’t kill it off! It is like a dog, either keep it and love it, or give it to someone who cares.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve heard they more team working on this than staff at HP.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I just don’t understand how they justify the purchase, a year ago they had stupid ideas like bringing the OS to printers and what not; this year seems like they realized its useless.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
SEriously..like…seriously?!
damn, i love my pre, and WebOS, but COME ON let it go!
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sell it to Microsoft?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6crMKpLx7r8
I predict slow death, at best it winds up in a couple of printers.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The only thing I know you can make with webOS is a tortiLLA
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:57 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Latinoamericano o Español? :o
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 11:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not sure why they are trying to drag around a dead horse, unless they are trying to get something back for the dead meat…
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
WebOS has been abused long enough. Lay it to rest please.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If they wait too much longer, their indecision will become a decision to kill it off for good.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Exactly – but the wonderful thing about that kind of indecision decision is that it doesn’t make headlines. WebOS will be allowed a quiet death surrounded by loved ones, rather than go out with a bullet to the back of the head.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s time to just put WebOS to rest — just killed it. Or if Nything, sell it. Hell why not to RIM? They obviously need it and are already copying annd pasting the idea and aesthetics of WebOS in their new OS
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Imagine this: Ios, Windos Phone, Android, WebOS, RIM’s QNX and Nokia’s next Linux thing, not to say Symbian and S40. All out there, existing. Six or more “ecossystems”, runnig Angry Birds and playing Youtube videos…
I’m looking forward to the death not of platforms X Y and Z, but the death of the whole Highlanderian concept that “there can be only one”, and that smaller contenders will die.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:58 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
It would be quite great if we could have more than just a duopoly.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think WP7 will be the third contender eventually, their product is good, really good, they just need a go in to market strategy.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 1:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
high5 YES.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They hosted a meeting for THIS!?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So what exactly was the point of this all hands meeting then?
“Hey so we decided to bring you all in here, along with the leak to the press to tell you, we still don’t know what we are doing…”
They say that any pub is good pub, but I can’t imagine that HP shareholders/employees are down with what’s going on there.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 7:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Mostly they were meeting to arrange the boardroom secret santa.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:02 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Morale at HP has to be horrendous right now. Even if no decision is to be revealed tonight, the employees need to hear from the so-called leaders. This is probably not want they wanted to hear, but SOME communication is better than nothing.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:04 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The employees need to spend less time listening to Meg Whitman’s aimless banter and more time looking for the exit to jump ship. Not the kind of management that will further one’s career in product dev.
Shame, such a nice platform.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m glad Meg is being thoughtful instead of doing what Leo did, whatever that was. They’ve done the R&D and have a solid system, the app store is (slowly) building up and the work on the Pre 3 is done. Makes sense to see if they can squeeze some cash out of the investment. All this burn it talk is tiresome. Go buy an Android already.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That quality management there. Call an all hands meeting to announce we don’t know what we’re doing.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Silence is worse from a company morale perspective.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The last webOS update basically fixed all the complaints I’ve had with my touchpad. Would have been nice if it was that smooth at launch though because all the people keep basing the device and is off of that.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:03 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
To be honest, this is the smartest response I think that she could have said. Acting impulsively and doing that stupid shooting from the hip management style is what got them (particularly Mr. Apotheker) in trouble in the first place. It could have been a company-wide memo, I agree, but at least they’re being reasoned about it (since it’s such a huge asset, one way or the other, to them).
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:04 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I think this is good news. If webOS is going to do well it’s only going to be with a long-term plan. If they decide not to do that then hopefully they’ll sell it to someone else, someone who would know what to do with it.
I would be inclined to agree with supitsmike:
But for webOS sake, if HP decides to stick with it I hope he’s wrong.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:04 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
And yeah, at least she (and the rest of management) realizes that keeping it would entail an actual long-term plan if they decide to go for it (not this, “oh, our billion-dollar investment missed it’s numbers a month after release? TRASH IT” nonsense). That’s at least good to hear.
To be fair, I think Mark Hurd realized the same thing when he bought Palm oh so long ago, but I guess that it just got lost in the shuffle when Cowboy Exec Officer Leo Apothekrap took over.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:08 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Why would you say this without something substantive to say?
“Hey webOS GBU, we’ll either do something really awesome or lay you all off. Ok, Happy Tuesday everyone.! Who wants a margarita?”
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Because it’s better to tell everyone that you are considering an issue this large thoroughly and reasonably than to lock yourselves in a conference room for months with no information getting out and then appear from on high with your pronouncement. It’s about communication and morale and making the best of a bad situation.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:10 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Your point’s well taken. I’m all for communicating with the team instead of closed door meetings without end.
I take issue with “If we decide to do this, we’re going to do it in a very significant way.” Don’t telegraph like that after telling them the actual decision is weeks away. You don’t dispel uncertainty with comments like that. You only fuel the rumor mill, and I would hate to see people (there and here) getting their hopes up for something enormous only to have them dashed.
OTOH, It’s only what’s been reported. Perhaps in context her comment would seem more appropriate. And either way, it’s better than being blindsided again, that’s for sure.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Good point about “fueling the rumor mill.” I don’t know, I definitely would like to have heard the whole thing.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 8:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
just make it licensed so we can actually gt good, new hardware
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HP will look like a bunch of clowns no matter what they do now.
Reality is that WebOS is dead. It doesn’t matter who tries to revive it next. It will be fighting to be something like the 5th ecosystem after being killed twice already.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wait, what’s the forth one? I count iOS, Android, Windows Phone, and webOS? are you counting Meego? or what?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Blackberry, probably.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh shoot! I forgot about RIM and them. whoops. Point taken.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 3:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
sell this off to amazon, let them make some kindle phones, and open source it, then everyone gets the
secondthird coming of the least appreciated OSPosted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t know the HP’s P&L but I think this is a “bet the company moment”. Meg needs to ask herself if she wants to sell business software for the rest of her life or if she wants to change the world.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:17 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
She should bet the company and start selling iPhones like Sprint did.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Did she really call an all hands on deck to say “Yo, dudes. I’m still thinking about it… and will continue to think. Pondering machine. That’s what I am.” Wow.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Here’s what’s going to happen. They get rid of webOS by either selling it or killing it (my guess would be they kill it). Then they go to their best friends Microsoft and start making Windows Phones.
Its been fun knowing you webOS.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Put it up on eBay.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:19 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I…uh…well gee okay then
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What they can do is integrate it into there servers and use it for server management and diagnostics no more need for crash carts.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Dear Meg,
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:21 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I bet they will end up keeping webOS. I think a lot of people at HP see the value in webOS, they just need the right people to give webOS the time and money it needs to thrive.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What is the point of having a meeting to tell people that they will need another meeting?
Get the result to want to announce, then give it!<
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This whole WebOS thing is really important to the people who hang out on this site and completely irrelevant or at best unknown to the vast majority of the human population. This kind of makes me happy, but I hope that isn’t me being a bit of a jerk.
What will they do with WebOS? I guess… crappy netbooks with WebOS on them for all? Fire Sale!
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You aren’t being a jerk.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Cheers bud!
Posted on Nov 11, 2011 | 5:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:39 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Let’s all chip in $1 and set it free to Open Source…
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:25 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Someone should start a kickstarter fund like some of the verge writers tweeted about… lol
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:32 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Someone needs to tell Meg Whitman about Kickstarter! That would be brilliant if HP put it on there!
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 3:12 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is getting Pathetic .. !!
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Uh, whatever momentum that was required to actually push WebOS to market died a long time ago in the cold, clueless hands of HP.
But perhaps they can get a few hundred million dollars out of Microsoft to keep WebOS in the grave…
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What would they sell?
They would typically license the entire OS as a standalone product to a device manufacturer.
Existing OS owners can’t integrate web-os ideas, as the ideas are all in patents, and HP would never sell the Palm patent portfoio.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:33 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Not for a measly few hundred million. Not when Google’s been known to pay 12 billion for a patent portfolio of dubious litigational utility.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 3:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I miss my Pre, but holy Jesus this is just ridiculous. I wish someone would just make a decision. WebOS’ credibility is most likely shot by now; any attempts to bring it back after this will be met with “Is that the one that was passed around from company to company? The one that was killed off? I hear those phones are really terrible; my friend had one of those and he said the battery life sucks and it broke like eight times.”
I just wish WebOS had a chance to really shine… :’(
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I say they should sell webOS to Google so they can use it to smooth out the rough edges in Android. As well as Patent protection. Or Sammy but not Oracle. Larry E. Is nuts.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:35 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
What rough needs to be smoothed?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I say they should sell webOS to Google so they can use it to smooth out the rough edges in Android. As well as Patent protection. Or Sammy but not Oracle. Larry E. Is nuts.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:35 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
webOS is by far the greatest of the mobile OSes. Since my departure from a webOS device I have used an Android device, Blackberry 7, and have spent some time with iOS. webOS is by far the most intuitive. The level of multitasking is still unmatched, by a HUGE margin. Even if HP develops Windows devices in conjunction with webOS devices, a la Palm, they can still find a great deal of success and profit. Half of you MFers commenting don’t even have a clue about webOS. There is only one reason why it is dragging along this far: its GREATNESS.
-The Refined one
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
JUST SELL THEM FOR $99! That’s the only way anyone’ll ever compete with the iPad! You’ve already seen how high demand would be if you just sold Touchpads for $99! Am I the only one that remembers what happened when they did that?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:40 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The only potential that WebOS has at this point is in tablets. I think I posted a comment on Google+ saying the same. I am thrilled with my Android and Windows Ph.d. I would be ok with an iPhone. I am only satisfied with my Android tablet and I was unsatisfied with my iPad 3g. They have a chance with tablets.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:42 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Just out of curiosity what does your android tablet offer that your ipad didn’t?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Whitman should just be a man and keep cut the decision-making-bullshit: keep webOS, make new tablets and phones with it that doesn’t suck, be a great consumer product company.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:44 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah you know all the companies should just make better products that suck less and then they’ll be a great consumer product company and the world will be great. If it were that simple why wouldn’t every company be great.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:11 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
queue Anakin Skywalker’s NOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Being a WebOS fan is like being a Cubs fan: “There’s always next year….”
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:47 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:47 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So… in other words,,, they wasted all these people’s time with a worthless press conference that said nothing.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I must not be feeling well. The “,,,” after “in other words” was meant to be a “…”.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I actually think it’s smart to think it through. HP has had a great history of making the wrong decision, at least there’s some acknowledgement of that here. I personally think WebOS is dead, but who knows. It’s been the tech industry’s best soap opera for awhile, but all that drama hasn’t really taken place in front of the average consumer, so something could happen.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Subtext, “No one is offering enough money for it, and we paid too much for it to just outright kill it”
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Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 8:58 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Companies don’t not kill something because they paid too much for it over a year ago. When you’re a company the size of HP and you look at webOS and don’t see a place for it then you kill it off. You don’t keep something alive because you already paid for it. That’s a wasted expense.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You can’t simply kill something that still has value in that it could be sold to a competitor – that’s fiduciary duty.
You can’t sell something for a few hundred million that a competitor might use to build a multibillion dollar business if you want to keep your job. That’s called covering your ass.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 6:20 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Exactly.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HP is bad in every part of their business this should surprise no one that they held a press conference to say they don’t know what to do… Watch for the stock to slump more.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This wasn’t a press conference. It was an internal meeting that leaked out.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think this is the right move. I know that all of us on tech sites want news and information, but for the people who actually rely on webOS for a paycheck it must feel good to actually have the CEO let you know how important of a deal this is. Obviously they’d prefer to know they’ll have jobs, but to know it is her priority and to hear it from her goes a long way.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:05 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yep, I think what she said was honest and she has the right intention “we need to make the right decision, not a fast one.”. WebOS is in a hole and the competition aren’t exactly wimps.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I respect Meg for doing this. The fact that the CEO of a company the size of HP went down to a separate headquarters to talk to less than 500 people and honestly tell them that she doesn’t know what do do is pretty impressive. It shows that she is at least committed to finding the right solution to the problems created by her predecessors and that she cares about her employees.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:08 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
She.didn’t.do.anything?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
PRINTERS.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I love webOS but after tonight, why would any developer want to continue with the platform.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HTC WebOS
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s all a problem of confidence. Had Palm been able to pull it out properly then everyone was on board. Fail.
If HP would have sealed the deal out of the gate with the Touch Pad, everyone was on board. Fail.
Now, the real issue is not really WebOs. It’s actually about a floundering company that needs to make some solid decisions in the midst of rapidly changing tech and quite frankly, I don’t think they’re up to the task with current management.
So, WebOS or no WebOS….that’s a non-issue that’s veiling a much larger problem: What to do with HP.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:21 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Great point and much better perspective. HP’s problems are 10 years in the making, probably going back to the Compaq deal, if not further. I could still see Whitman pulling off a turn around. She’d deciding now if WebOS is going to be a tool in building that turnaround.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 3:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Gut it.
HP acquiring Palm was a good strategy. Emphasis on was. With a massive failure in consumer trust, lackluster first push and a revolving door of upper-management; HP’s window of opportunity for Palm is gone, now the only opportunity is Windows.
Palm should have been something great, the RIM that RIM was too scared to become. A flexible, end-to-end IT solution that scaled from servers all the way down to tablets and phones. HP would have had the strength of pushing into IBM’s business from both the consumer side as well as the IT and consultancy. A uniformity of design and infrastructure that could have been something truely unique in technology, HPalm could have been universal and seemless.
Instead, we are left with the remains of today. Two company’s each worth less than they were originally and an IP that is simply… worthless. Sell your non-essential patents to salvage what you can.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:21 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
“A flexible, end-to-end IT solution that scaled from servers all the way down to tablets and phones.” And printers. PRINTERS!
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 3:27 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sell it to Google. Android will finally have a decent UI.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HP. Please, for the love of God, make up your mind. Either kill or keep WebOS. This back-and-forth thing is painful!
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If I were making CEO of HP amounts of money, I could damn well think of what to do with WebOS. Hell, I could probably buy WebOS.
That’s it! Meg Whitman should buy WebOS!
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why the heck do you call a “full team” meeting to say you don’t know what to do?
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Open source it!
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:48 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I think that’d actually make the most sense here.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
" You have too many cards open"
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Grats HP! You hired a CEO as incompetent as your last one.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They will sell it. HP will stick with Microsoft for tablets. Probably won’t get back into phones until WP8 comes out and only if Windows Phone has some sort of market share (like 10-15%??).
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 9:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Every day they sit around deciding what to do is another day Apple and Google continually corner the market. We need another major player because RIM and Microsoft aren’t catching up.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They missed the boat already. 3-4 weeks for a decision and Ice Cream Sandwich will be out, with just about every feature that WebOS had thanks to Mattias.
Sadly, the obvious decision is to cut your losses HP — you failed to move on a great OS, and now you’ve basically killed it. Best thing you could do to keep it alive is open source it.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:05 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I want to buy it, along with Palm.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If I was paid a million dollars to know what I’m doing, I would have a decision by now and a timeline.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t understand what happend here, I just don’t. It’s really (speaking in ignorance) not that hard to come up with great uses and features for this OS! HP just needs listen Joshua Topolsky. Also, WebOS just needs to rebirth as something els. Like and an OS for Cars!! BOOM
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s pretty much been said. The game is pretty much over for webOS to make any sort of dent in the market. iOS and Android are the top two in phones with WP7 tagging behind in 3rd place.
For tablets, it’s really just the iPad and (hopefully) the Fire.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
… so the point of this meeting was to let everyone know that they are thinking about what to do with WebOS. Wow.. insightful. Great job HP
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 10:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey HP, remember that time that you 1/2 canceled webos and had a fire sale on touchpads, and killed off all of your webos phones? Well during that time period, any talented person who had a vision for web os left you’re company. You managed to take a 1.2 BILLION (with a ‘b’) dollar acquisition and make it worth nothing more than the patents that came along with the acquisition.
NEWS FLASH: NO ONE CARES! … Even the nerds like us, who do care, DON’T CARE! We’ve already poured a 40 out on the curb for web os and pondered what could have been.
You don’t even win the contest for “Most Interesting Dying Platform” (see RIM)
If HP cares at all about the people who loved their platform dearly, they won’t sell web os. They’ll just give webos away for free. Either as an open source project, or to Google. Actually, do that. Just give Palm, and the patents to Google so that they can make a platform worth half a damn.
And then when we’re done not giving a damn about you, make an Android app. Call it “THE NO ONE GIVES A CRAPP” and sell it for 99 cents.
Screw You HP for killing web os.
I’m done.
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 11:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“a 1.2 BILLION (with a ‘b’) dollar acquisition”
1.2 bILLION
FTFY
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 3:30 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
JUST SELL IT BURN THE REMAINS AND MOVE ON
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 11:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Huh. I was actually relieved to hear this. The fine folks working on webos were on their way to something good, but lacked the management support they needed to do it right. Maybe Meg gets it.
One huge plus of webos that gets overlooked is the flexibility and robustness of it. It can have a place in many different devices for many uses all with the same unified look and feel. I’m holding out for while longer. (besides, my contract isn’t up yet.) ;)
Posted on Nov 08, 2011 | 11:51 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
The Verge should buy webos
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 12:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
@Joshua Topolsky:
I wonder if The Verge has a pre-written eulogy for webOS…
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 12:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So this multi-million dollar CEO calls an all-hands-meeting that she has no idea what to do, that the task is hard and that she will think about it for a few more weeks.
Couldn’t this have been said in an email?
I give Meg about 16 months at HP before she implodes.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 12:13 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
What a sad state WebOS is in
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 12:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Open source!
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 1:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
As a fan of the long-dead BeOS, the whole drama over WebOS feels very familiar. Will it be open sourced? Will it be sold? If someone buys it will they develop it or 86 it? To top all that off, Palm bought Be in 2002 and murdered BeOS without even bothering to open source it, so I’m entertaining vengeance fantasies that will Palm’s opus will be killed by HP.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 3:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve been a hardcore webOS user, developer and enthusiast to the bone. I just left the platform, because there’s only so much I can take. I’ve been missing too much over the last years: the platform didn’t necessarily need new features, but polishing and developer-support from the the big ones like Whatsapp. Add a really nice and quality hardware (HP should be capable of that) and we are done..
I don’t really blame Palm. There were bad marketing decisions but they simply didn’t have the kind of money they needed. But HP totally blew it and still does, that’s really hard to swallow. Personally, I wouldn’t go back to webOS unless there’s a healthy developer support (I mean the big ones, the smaller ones have been great). I’d be missing too much, even though it’s still the best mobile OS in theory, hands down.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 3:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
it seems like HP and Whitman just fell into the bureaucracy pit.
I think employing a small development team and open sourcing the platform won’t hurt HP.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 3:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There are people out there looking for exactly that what webOS is offering. I couldn´t care less about HP, but webOS is what is needed. I had many many different phones up until now – heck, i am even worse than Josh changing phones almost every 4-6 months. So, do you know why after having had so many iPhones (Androids and Symbians and many more) i still came back to webOS ? Its simple:
It gives the costumer a simple and incredible user experience. Well, it lacks some Apps, but i bet HP will figure out some exclusives eventually. The Homebrew community is so strong – heck, think about it.
And now you´re telling me you need some time to decide ?
First thing first: Get your feet back on the Tablet Market, then Invest in Phones and at the same time expand your Market (as well as the one on the devices) After that, you might think about creating another possibility for webOS(Printers or Desktops)
Heck, i also believe Netbooks would look great with webOS.
The mobile market is the future:
PCs will evolve, actually they already did evolve, look at M$ Win8 and OSX Lion as well as ubuntu 11+.
webOS goes even a step further ! Meg, i really hope you take read on our comments before making a decision….
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 5:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
DAMMIT MEG!! The suspense is killing me.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 5:48 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A CEO who has displayed this amount of indecision towards company’s direction to both the public and shareholders in the last few months ought to be seeking alternative employment.
Just my 2c
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 6:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
m$ wants to kill webos..windows mobile is a pos compared to webos
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 6:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Windows Phone 7 and webOS are comparable at the moment. The big difference is WP7 is getting updates that make it better and its developer community is growing. It may not be your cup of tea but a majority of people that have used WP7 for more than 10 minutes at a mobile store seem to like it and it’s only getting better with time.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 9:29 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So, they held a meeting, just to say ‘dunno yet!’?
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 6:41 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
One thing is for sure, if they don’t make a decision soon, it won’t matter at all. The mobile tech industry moves too fast to be indecisive, it may already be too late.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 6:52 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is too cruel. Put poor WebOS out of its misery. They never gave it a chance. Bastards.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 7:00 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Translation: “Where’s my BEST CEO EVER award??”
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 9:20 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Isn’t this basically what everyone was told the last time webOS was discussed? Why the all hands meeting when there was no actual decision to convey? I could have waited three to four weeks until the verdict was in to hear about it.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 9:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I bought into the hype of the WebOS platform way back during the launch of the Palm Pre. That was my first smartphone. I really liked the cards interface for multitasking and the notifications in WebOS. The hardware seemed to bottleneck the OS though and after a year I switched to Android. In that year it seemed like apps support trickled out at a very slow pace. I don’t know if that has changed any since then but I suspect dragging out the is WebOS dead or isn’t it debate in HP is not doing anything to keep the support of the developer community. What good is the platform if no one is writing apps for it?
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 9:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It needs to die. Think of a dev team for a cool new mobile app:
App for mobile OS 1: 0 months
App for mobile OS 1: 0-6 months later
App for mobile OS 3: 12-24 months later
App for mobile OS 4: 24-36 months later
App for mobile OS 5: 36+ months later
The apps people want on WebOS will never exist for the entire time they have the device.
Burn it.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 10:41 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It is obvious they don’t know what to do with palm so it should be obvious that they should sell.
I wish amazon would buy it.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 11:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HP… make a decision. It’s been going like this for months now. Grow up. I wish HP never bought Palm.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 11:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Man, just let webOS go in peace. This is just a disgrace to such a beautiful OS. Had high hopes with Palm, and even higher hopes with HP’s big piggybank, esp with webOS on computers.
Now nothing?! SMDH. Shame! Let Google buy it, and let Matias finish what he started. I wish they can transform Android and mesh it with webOS for a beautiful, smooth and elegant OS. But legacy compatibility would be a huge issue, I presume.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 11:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think HP should sell WebOS to automakers, like Kia or Hyundai. Imagine how insane a center stack would look with 7’’ display full of WebOS. Plus, gestures are so much easier to do while driving, than pushing buttons, because you don’t have to be as accurate.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 12:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Get those blokes from Amazon involved. And then, grab some popcorn.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 1:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think HP should hire Matias Duarte again, he will bring developers back to WebOS and make the mobile OS popular again

Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 2:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HP’s Meg Whitman to webOS: “You might want to get your affairs in order”.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 3:52 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Putting it on all your printers would be the obvious thing to do!
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 4:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Axing it will further their fate. What a bunch of quitters. “Phones are too complicated”…pff…she’s just as bad as the other loser prior.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 6:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Doesn’t look like this new CEO is any better than the last few.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 8:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
#FAIL
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 8:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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