We did it again, people: we had a show. On Friday night, Joshua, Nilay, Paul, and Joanna gathered in front of a live, studio audience and had a grand old time. Special guest John Gruber sat down with Josh for an in-depth interview about the tech industry and the future of Apple, Joanna showed Josh a few ways to make Windows more tolerable, Josh got an exclusive look inside Microsoft Research, and Paul shared tales of adventure beyond the studio. And that's just scratching the surface — there's much more in season 1, episode 2 of On The Verge.
Subscribe to On The Verge here, subscribe on iTunes right here
Download the show here
Or grab the torrent here
Directed and Produced by: Chad Mumm
Line Producer: Nina Sokoler
Producers: Billy Disney, Jordan Oplinger
Executive Producers: Chad Mumm and Joshua Topolsky
Special Guest: John Gruber
Hosts: Joshua Topolsky, Nilay Patel, Paul Miller, Joanna Stern
DJ: Trent Wolbe
Lighting design: Matt Piercy for Vibrant Design
Video by: All Mobile Video
Audience giveaways provided by ASUS
Guest hotel accommodations provided by Gansevoort Park Hotel, NYC
Opening titles: Misha Shyukin
Music courtesy: ZZK Records and Ghostly
"New Thing" song: "Riki Tiki" by El Remolón
Additional music: "Mux Mool" by Jen and Soda, "Ground Force" by Standby Ghost
Filmed at BMCC Tribeca Performing Arts Center, New York
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Yeah! Finally…
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:49 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Wow, this guy is a mess… How can he say he isn’t a fanboy?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:18 PM EST reply Recommend (33) Flag actions
I have to say, I watched this hoping to be surprised about what kind of guy he is, but i’m unfortunately not surprised. He’s awkward, thinks of the world only in right/wrong, and takes personal pleasure is pointing out when other people are wrong.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
My video is still loading, but from his blog I’ve never read anything at all that wasn’t supported by facts or, when it was just an opinion/hunch, that at least didn’t make sense.
Maybe one of you two can point out exactly what the problem is? Or maybe you are butthurt because he’s not shy about bashing people who purposefully misguide others?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:28 PM EST reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
I feel the dude is a regular blogger & doesn’t deserve the attention he receives anymore than I do with www.crazydopetastic.com or any other blogger sharing opinions or “facts” of their own. The interview, for me, proved he’s an overhyped, insecure, narrow-minded, condescendingly decent blogger. I was hoping for more & got less than my low expectations.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 8:57 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’d go out on a limb and say Daring Fireball is a better blog or publication than what you have going there.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:21 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I’d agree at this point, being that I’ve been around for ohhh 3/4 months, but it takes nothing away from how I think he comes across as an individual & how I feel his blog is merely decent.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 4:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
3/4 months = 0.75 months
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 5:20 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Mehh.. about right. Or you could read it a less condescendingly Gruber fashion & see it as 3 or 4 months.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 8:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And by “purposefully misguided” I mean things like the Google Android “free” propaganda, the Security Through Obscurity Myth, etc
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:12 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I meant “open”, grrrr.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
just like an anonymous commenter, right? :-)
(or wrong!)
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:45 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Not my take-away at all. He’s a big apple fan. I didn’t find him obnoxious about it. I’ve been reading his blog for the last few days and although he definitely gets slightly nasty about non-apple products sometimes, it’s not over-the-top, IMO. No better or worse than the android fans I see and read.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 10:44 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
How is he a mess? He has an opinion, but as far as I can tell he is always backing them up as best as he can with facts.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:36 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
People don’t like the idea of others with differing views.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:07 PM EST reply Recommend (28) Flag actions
I think you’ve hit the proverbial nail on the head here.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:09 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
The Verge is full of differing views from the various writers and it doesn’t seem to be a problem. I think in this case, it has more to do with the way Gruber expresses his views. Personally, I find it to be more than a little bit obnoxious.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:01 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
According to JG everyone Apple does is 100% correct 100% of the time. Everything everyone else does is 100% wrong 100% of the time. The problem is once you get the pattern, you don’t actually need to read his blog to know what his opinion will be on any given subject – just think ‘Apple good, rest bad’ and fill in the blanks yourself.
If I wanted to know why every single decision Apple make is so flawless I would subscribe to the Apple PR feed. His blog is well written, with well reasoned arguments, but if every single posting can be boiled down to ‘Apple good, other bad’ I have to wonder what is the point. I suspect he is mainly preaching to the converted as anyone who actually values a genuinely critical opinion will be looking elsewhere (here?).
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:23 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
everyone = everything
damn…
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is ridiculous and I’m tired of seeing this opinion perpetrated. He’s just as quick to point out when Apple stuff fails to hit the high standards he holds them to as he is to point out when Apple succeeds. He’s also just as quick to point out competitors doing work he likes.
If his only opinion is that Apple’s competitors are 100% wrong all of the time, then how do you explain his positive entries regarding Windows Phone 7? For example:
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/11/17/nokia-lumia-
or
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/11/30/gold-lumia
As for the claim that Apple is 100% right, all of the time – well, you should probably take another look at some of his writing and you’ll realize that simply isn’t true. Consider this lengthy piece (pre-iCloud):
http://daringfireball.net/2011/04/cutting_that_cord
- He first outlines the major issue: Apple is behind when it comes to cloud technology. He then proceeds to explore various problems that Apple will have to find answers for before they can catch up to speed. The piece is critical of Apple’s status regarding the cloud, but doesn’t come across as overwhelmingly negative because it constructively explores the issue.
For another random example, consider this link to a negative piece about Final Cut Pro X:
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/24/harrell-fcpx
- Now, he did a number of posts about Final Pro X, which is particularly interesting to consider in light of the rampant “Gruber is an Apple fanboy” claims. Searching through his posts on the topic shows that he linked to a number of positive pieces about the software and a number of negative pieces. He never really writes about the software from a first person perspective, however, as he’s not a professional video editor. The closest thing to an opinion that he writes is that he predicts it will take a two year transitional period for the software to catch up to the needs of professionals. He also notes in another post that perhaps Apple should drop ‘pro’ from the title. Rather than jump on the negative bandwagon or jump to praise the software, he stays relatively neutral with describing the situation the way he sees it: Final Cut Pro X is a ground-up rewrite that over the next few years should restore the missing features from Final Cut Pro 7. (He also talks about how pulling Final Cut Pro 7 off the shelves was arrogant in The Talk Show podcast about FCPX. Clearly, he was right, as Apple would put FCP7 back up for sale a few weeks later.) Probably the clearest articulation of this can be found here:
http://daringfireball.net/2011/06/final_cut_pro_x_backlash
He’s also critical of Apple’s skeuomorphic design choices:
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/26/against-skeuomorphism
I also think a lot of people mistake him trying to explain how unpopular Apple decisions make sense from an Apple perspective as John Gruber irrationally believes Apple is infallible.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 8:39 PM EST reply Recommend (40) Flag actions
Wouldn’t, not would. Sorry.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
this happens very, very rarely.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 7:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Perhaps because he likes how Apple usually operate. Which is fine.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 11:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“According to JG everyone Apple does is 100% correct 100% of the time.”
That’s absolutely false. Just go read his site!
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:56 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Textbook example of a straw man. You obviously have never read DF, or you would possibly say that. I don’t always agree with Gruber, but between him and Jim Dalrymple’s site, they pretty much have the corner on good Mac analysis with an opinion.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Gruber is a mess in that he’s a defective human being that often gets cited as a news source.
- He says in the show that there is only right or wrong (and no room for in-between)
- He claims to be unaware of peoples opinions of him.
- He does use “facts” and diligent research to back up his opinion but when his facts fall through he rarely offers retractions
- His articles tend to be more about misdirection by laser focusing primarily on single negatives rather than the overall product/person in question
- He has a controversial site where he refuses to allow comments to ensure he remains unaware of other opinions or disputed truth
Dont get me wrong. Im an apple fan/user so i enjoy reading Apple opinions and expect them to be slanted. But I find that he doesnt deserve the attention he gets from the media and especially on the verge.
Posted on Dec 29, 2011 | 8:42 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
well.. it depends on how you define the term fanboy.. that’s exactly what he said.. he defines it as someone who blindly praises everything a company does.. and gruber does not do that.. he criticizes apple when he doesn’t like something.. it just does not happen all that often.. but that’s his personal taste.. and when he writes something about them.. as others have pointed out, it is backed by facts or labeled as speculation.. of course you can not go to his blog to get an objective view of the technology world.. but he never wanted to offer that.. so if you don’t like his opinion or style.. just don’t read his stuff..
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:15 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Awesome!
Keep up the great work, everyone!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:50 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Mmm, vergetastic.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:50 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
After watching, I’m a bit surprised Gruber admitted that he thought Windows Phone was “interesting”. From what I gather, he’s a bit dumbfounded that Android is considered more popular than Windows Phone.
However, it’s pretty obvious that market forces are at work here, because Windows Phone is a more locked down experience than Android. Microsoft has certain rules about “crapware” on Android, especially considering it can be easily installed with one click.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 2:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There is little evidence that openness is the main cause of Android’s success. Microsoft’s negative image for Windows might be a much bigger factor to be honest.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 11:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeeeee _
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m loving this show!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, a long episode as well. This episode is almost twice as long as episode 1! Huge thanks!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:50 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Yeaaahhh Boiiiiii flicks fingers
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HELL YES, finally!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:51 PM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
Also Trent, PLEASE, what is the opening song called? I tried shazaming, soundhounding…. I’m desperate. That tune is so good!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:05 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I heard that’s a song Josh made himself. But not sure though.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wouldn’t DJ Trent have made it? Or am I missing something…
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Or Josh
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:09 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Or DJ Trent
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 3:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The opening song is a DJ Joshua Topolsky joint
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 8:54 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Oh okay. I almost forgot that he’s a DJ too. Anyhow, thanks for the heads up :-)
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Is there any way to get that song?
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 8:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
they need to make it available to DL or something…
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
my eyeballs are ready! just the right thing to end the day!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:51 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Awesome!
Gonna put this on my iPad and watch it on my 17 hour flight back home later this week!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:51 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Wow, that’s really fantastic!
I’m eagerly awaiting your next communication re: mundane details of your life!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:27 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
I like totally put in on my iPad but then this baby on the flight kept crying and then I had to turn up the volume and then I got a coke but it only had three ice cubes. I like four ice cubes. So I asked for another ice cube and then started watching this and totally forgot about the ice cube but then when I was done with my coke and it was nibble on ice time. I could only do it three times and you know what they say about threes
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:38 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
Okay I was laughing at this… I admit lol
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:10 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Did they take your stapler, andacre you going to burn the place down?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:25 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Am i insane, or did i just see an Office Space reference?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:13 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Embrace freedom of speech, mate.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Freedom of speech does not automatically validate your bullshit.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 7:08 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Calm. I quite like a brief sentence on how people are watching the show. Makes me relate the people more.
Personally, I watch it when I’m going to sleep. I listen to the podcasts as I’m walking.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I listen/watch the podcasts or shows (normally whatever is newest) when I go to sleep, since I’ve normally already heard them, I don’t feel the need to pay attention. Before I started listening to podcasts, I would just do this with TV shows I’d already seen.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:49 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
As I’m in the UK, and the show was released quite late, I lay in bed watching :D Was so warm and comfy :D :D
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 3:25 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Got anything smaller than 1.8GB?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:51 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
That’s what she said.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:55 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Put the YouTube link into Keep Vid, it will let you download the presumably 480 video Google makes automagically on upload, I’m doing it right now, its a 375MB .mp4
Damn these are huge files ! Maybe I wont save every episode, my 20GB internet cap at home (New Zealand) aside, surely these episodes will be around forever online…..right? Or is that what we always ASSUME, and have it bite us on the ass in years to come?
When we’re old and senile, in the rest home “….remember that nice Topolsky boy, and his friends, one of them liked robots, the other one always had big belts and armbands……..whazzit…….Jenga Topolsky? Jumanji Topolsky? Geronimo Topolsky?…..shit son, better fire up ye old Bit Torrent…..”
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:50 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
http://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded%26v%3DLCX6Q9rL-cw video link
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Get it on iTunes already!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:53 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
It’s up on iTunes now, but seems to download even slower through there.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey guys, what’s the title of the intro?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Fistpumps all around.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
200kb/s really??
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m getting 1.1 MB/s
http://cl.ly/0W1E0Z1W0a2a2O1c3h2R
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m getting a good rate here… 2.6 MB/s
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Are there any options for a smaller file size (lower resolution)? If not i’ll HandBrake it.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:59 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Maybe it’s time for you to upgrade to broadband?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That wouldn’t help with the storage of it now would it…
The first episode was 836.8MB, obviously the higher the quality the better, but i’d like the option. If not, as I said, i’ll HandBrake it.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s time for a larger HD then.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m on 30mb/s broadband, usually 2GB’s would take 15mins, currently it’s saying 4 hours 0% complete….
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, when I originally made the comment I got decent speeds, but then it started choking too.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:02 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
mine just jumped to 6hrs :/
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m overseas, using a prepaid 3G microsim in my 4S, tethered to my MBA so I can find a smaller 480p version to watch on the plane trip back home (8hr flight, this will make it a lot better), so yes, sometimes a smaller version is a good option…
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:49 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
DownloadHelper lets you get the 240p file from youtube. It’s a firefox extension, works great for getting any available resolution of youtube videos.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:05 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Woudn’t it be a good idea to create a torrent to download the episode. Would make it faster to download in stead of downloading it from the verge servers. Also good to promote the legal uses of torrents.
Just my 2 cents
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:00 PM EST reply Recommend (29) Flag actions
i second that! a youtube upload would be also great
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Definitely need a torrent option (although youtube/vimeo/whatever would also be useful). When trying to play on the page the video just hangs after 15 seconds of buffering, and at this rate it’s going to take >1 hour to download the mp4, which doesn’t do anyone any favours.
That said I’m looking forward to watching it!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://assets.theverge.vid.io/on-the-verge-002.torrent
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:56 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
Wow, great, I wasn’t expecting a torrent till the next show. You’re fast at making people’s wishes true :)
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks will download and seed till next episode ;)
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You guys rule! Here I was laughing at you for the filename (“1d0d13ae0d81793b7b8f2ada3cacdb57.mp4, really, nice CMS you got there”), ridiculing you for the slow download speeds (“hope you got a free toaster with that CDN”), and then you step up and provide all the download options the commenters asj for. Awesome!! Thanks.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Download chugging along at 50-140 kb/s – anyone else having slow download?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Same here. YouTube video is not yet available. The embedded video won’t play normally. Download is super slow (around 100 KB/s instead of 1MB/s of my usual broadband speed).
In future I expect better from the Verge. This is a cutting-edge tech site after all. :)
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Try 20.2kb/s – 1 day, 2 hours, 21 minutes!
Is there no way to embed the ad into the video and stick it on Vimeo?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Normally 8Mbps but fallen to 4 tonight and I have 5 hours left having done 300MB. Why is it 1.8GB this time?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
YouTube?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCX6Q9rL-cw (still waiting for the HD version to finish encoding)
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:04 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
is anyone actually able to watch it?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:05 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I’m on 8/1 broadband and have 4 hours to go if I want to download it…
I would much rather watch it on Youtube.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:07 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Here would be a good place for legal use of torrent
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
1.8GB download? Great googly moogly. This picture quality is gonna be amazing.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
amphasis on gonna be ;)
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You don’t need to download the whole thing to start watching. Get a proper streaming player like VLC and just open the file while it’s still downloading.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How?!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Got it to work, works but.. Hmm laggy? Maybe it is just me.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
DL at 54%, downloading on 4G…watching this will def help kill the last 2 hrs of work.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, four hours to download. YouTube or bit torrent never crossed anyone’s mind?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So… I guess this will finish uploading on my laptop by the time On The Verge, Episode 045 comes out, huh?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Please use Flash. I hate this fake fullscreen videos.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not working?!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
YouTube please! This would be great to try on the new YouTube for Xbox!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I guest they underestimated the demand. will be able to watch in 4 hours. which is 12:17am UK time.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
guess* damn auto correct or some shit
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Gruber is massive. Unlike The Verge’s capacity :(
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:20 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Have to agree with the Torrent idea guys; great way to get it out there fast. And of course it’s always good to support legitimate uses of great technology that has been given a bad name by illegal use!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:20 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
http://assets.theverge.vid.io/on-the-verge-002.torrent
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:07 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Awesome response to your comments! Unless of course it was planned all along, in which case, that is great too.
Keep up the great work guys!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Cheers peers.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Seed Bitches!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The download really needs a Torrent option, it looks like your server is hurting right now :(
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Anyone got the file and ready for torrenting? Let’s do it!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
the vid.io player stutters, downstream from itunes is *cogh*limited cogh. torrent for the next one would be really nice.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
well and here i go missing the edit button again
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:27 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Just release 3 different versions for download: SD, 720p, and 1080p. That should solve most of the issue if you don’t do torrents.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:27 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
1080p is nice and bit this is annoying. Bozo’s ;)
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The video isn’t 1080p, it’s 720p.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey guys, we’re working on video issues — hang tight!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:29 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Does it include “http://www.utorrent.com/” ? :D
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:31 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Thank goodness. There aren’t many things that rile me up but slowly buffering and crappy framerate videos are definitely in there.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I mean, even the best do it, Valve, Blizzard, everyone.
Torrent is by far, FAR, the most effective way. How is it NOT an option.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Because torrents don’t download the thing sequentially, which means I need to wait until it has finished downloading 100% of content.
I want streaming, and Youtube or others could handle the load just fine (Even though I think this player looks nicer!).
I agree that torrents should be provided as well, for those folks that don’t want to stream. It’s definitely the best and cheapest solution for non-streaming downloads. And is complimentary to the streaming solutions.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:39 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
On the verge has apparently been fireballed.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:30 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Why is it not on Zune?!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:31 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
You are the 1 %
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:32 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
yea, but the podcast is on Zune
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:35 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I’m with you. I use Zune
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:37 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
OH, duh. On The Verge is on Zune. I’m downloading the episode right now.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:50 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
AH! You have to search “on the verge”, not just “verge” or “the verge”.
Thanks.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Dope… Fucking dope!!! As a matter of fact if it got any doper I’d cut it, bag it, and sell it on a street corner.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:31 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Don’t step on my funk, bro.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 10:48 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Shockwave is crashing my Chrome everytime I get to this page.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:32 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah the verge video player crash my chrome too in full screen after some time.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:43 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Something is seriously wrong with this …..No problem watching the first episode or on the verge but this one hags repeatedly , stutters, almost unwatchable…..Only because I am a big Fan am I suffering through it.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah it lag in full screen for me too, try to let it download in little before watch it.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow. Groober moves his foot so much. It drives me crazy. I want to chop it off. Great interview though!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I was downloading this at 500KB/s earlier but now it has gone down to 170KB/s. I even tried with multiple connections, everything gets only 170KB/s. You guys need a larger tube, or use youtube.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My download always stops around 1.71 GB
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wish these came out faster
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Added YouTube embed in post (though the HD version is still encoding). We’re working out other kinks!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:45 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
I don’t care as long as I can watch it. :-)
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCX6Q9rL-cw&feature=g-all&list=PL4A7812D74F4A985E
Im waiting for the 720p i think, will be on soon ?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks, is it possible to get this on Zune next time also?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:48 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
alos any chance we could get a version for my badaOS phone ???
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
AAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNDDDDDD… a torrent! http://assets.theverge.vid.io/on-the-verge-002.torrent
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:51 PM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
awesome. way to listen to your readers
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:58 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
This is so beautiful. I am crying. A bearded man crying, on my knees.
Also I just want to note how sweet it is to have someone you care and listen carefully to(Joshua Topolsky) listening to other great ideas from people who love him.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
quiet – you’re turning Josh on.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 6:05 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Awesome! I’m glad you guys are providing so many ways to get to the content. The video editing and production work is top-notch on many of The Verge posts, but I unfortunately don’t end up watching the videos when they are on Vid.io – I prefer to add them to my Watch Later queue on YouTube and watch them from home (typically from XBMC).
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Been waiting 20 min now after that silly countdown. Still not loading )‘:
On 30MB broadband and i5 machine. What’s happening!? Sad me.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I see what you tried to do there with Gruber. Unfortunately, Gruber was dull, and insufferable. I applaud Josh, and the crew. You tried your hardest to crack that nut, and get him to say something controversial…he just wasn’t interesting enough.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:52 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Two of the most knowledgeable, influential, and insightful tech bloggers on the planet, chatting for 45 minutes, and you whine that it “wasn’t interesting enough”.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:30 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
You’re praise of tech bloggers is a bit misguided. Sure, I think Josh and the others are doing an excellent job with The Verge, and I guess some people like John Gruber, but they are just tech bloggers. I mean, it’s really weird to me that someone like Dennis Ritchie can pass away without people really noticing it but at the same time people are cheerleading articles about the possibility of a greater resolution display on the next iPhone. But I guess “influential” and “knowledgeable” are relative terms.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 9:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And again, this wasn’t meant to crap all over tech bloggers, because I come here and read articles and reviews with great interest (and everything holds a level of quality that I have seen very few places else), but I think fans of this business could use some perspective.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 9:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In case you have trouble parsing the English language, “Knowledgeable”, “influential”, and “insightful” modify “tech bloggers”. I.E. that’s the domain I was addressing. Whether you think “tech bloggers” are important or not is irrelevant, I said nothing about them relative to any other group.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 10:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
(Or to state it more clearly, knowledgeable, influential, and insightful apply to Josh and John within the domain of tech bloggers. At no time did I praise ‘tech bloggers’ as a group, which polter claims)
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 12:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Meh, not an interesting guest.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:53 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Finally, a torrent :D
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Wow! TheVerge is so cool, they even add a torrent!!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:58 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
wow that was quick. even a torrent. O.O thx!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
> 90 minute show
YES!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:21 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The YouTube & torrent links are excellent and I hope you guys will include these sooner for the next episode.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I CANT STAND JOHN GRUBER! Soooo standar apple fanboy
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:23 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
hater. :p
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:35 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
What is a standar?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:37 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I have owned 3 Android phones, a Windows i7 PC, I’ve never owned a iOS or OSX mac, and I still thought he was interesting (albeit opinionated). Can’t really hate on the guy for having an opinion, it’s controversial because he’s normally right, but comes off as “pro-apple”, so does Topolsky, but I still enjoy his opinions and commentary.
TL;DR: Don’t be such a negative Nancy.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:09 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Awesome episode. Love getting to hear from Gruber. Thanks so much for the consistently incredible content.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:35 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
wow, interesting interview/conversation but you can tell that Gruber is absolutely a fanboy, Josh asks what other company is innovating and you could see Gruber not wanting to answer honestly with Google.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:36 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Innovating implies that they’re doing something new.
I will now casually reference the pre-iphone android.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
and i will now casually reference the pre-iphone LG prada
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/29/apple-iphone-vs-lg-prada-separated-at-birth-part-2/
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:19 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
The LG Prada’s diaper doesn’t mean much. It’s different, and the innovation Apple took part in wasn’t focused on the dialer. It’s not the home of new ideas.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:53 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
no one cares about the dialer. you missed the point.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 3:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Then why show us the dialer? The only major similarity is the dialer and the touchscreen.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 11:17 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Apple’s interface is much more refined and was announced just a few months after so it’s obvious they were working on a touch screen phone long before as well. Eg. With the Prada, scrolling through lists was done with a scrollbar.
However, kudos to LG for making the first all-touch phone but it’s a shame they aren’t doing much these days.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 3:07 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m gonna go out on a limb here: is there more to a smartphone than the dialer screen?
If you were looking for an aspect of the OS, where these two look similar, you still haven’t found it.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 4:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
im not starting a flame war, my post was to illustrate the ridiculousness of referencing pre-iphone android sets and saying “look what they looked like BEFORE the iphone” as if that’s supposed to mean anything.
also in 8/10 situations, its not the software similarities people are referencing, but things like the all-touchscreen capacitive front.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 3:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
also see Josh’s post below.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 3:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What is there to innovate? Its a keypad. They are all the same. Apple went a completely different direction for contacts and starting the call.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
you missed the point bro.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 3:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow!!! I bet Android and Windows 7 and Samsung watch every move that the LG Prada make.
Posted on Dec 29, 2011 | 4:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And here’s the touchscreen version they showed at the same time. Stop trolling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg&feature=player_embedded
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:25 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
Consider me ashamed of myself.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:37 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Maybe you’ve been a victim of misinformation.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:39 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Honestly, I’m just a little too defensive.
I dream of a utopia in which every Android user can respect iOS, and every Apple lover can respect Google and Microsoft.
In my preemptive (and apparently ignorant) defense, I tend to become that which I hate; an ugly troll.
For shame.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:45 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
no harm, anyone will agree apple has done great things in terms of innovation and no one can take that away from them. along with that, Android is very innovative as well and will be pressing on for the foreseeable future. i think if we had one with out the other, the innovation would be much slower and we wouldn’t be where we are today.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
“every Apple lover can respect Google and Microsoft.”
Why is THAT the perfect world? Smart creative people are being ripped off, and you want them to just roll over?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 4:12 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Let’s blame the government!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You still can’t deny how things changed….
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:35 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Given the video was uploaded at Nov 2007, it is not exactly pre iPhone though.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Both these types of devices were shown as early references designs of Android. They were both touchscreen devices as well. They are in the beta SDK.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:40 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
The beta SDK was released on 12th Nov 2007. Before that all I remember was a few screen shot clearly in the Blackberry and Windows Mobile ball park. And yes, Windows Mobile even Palm OS was touchscreen based before the Jesus Phone., I know.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:56 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-samsung-f700-prada-phone-rumors-debunked-20147320/
As for the touchscreen, November? Many months after the iPhone’s announcement and release, and with Schmidt being privy to details on the Apple Board? Come on, Joshua. What misinformation? (Not to mention the touch UI in that video is incredibly unresponsive and laggy).
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:09 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Um, it was in beta. And those prototypes probably didn’t come out of nowhere in the three months between the iPhone and the vid. There must be an alpha for there to be a beta.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 12:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Steve’s shirt is so big.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 6:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The core of that OS is still the same Dalvik, the interface sucked a ton more, I ran it on my Kaiser (Tilt), that “0.8” preview release is hilarious compared to what it has become. If only RIM, Palm, MS, or Nokia had done it first… but they didn’t.
They used that above platform for the HTC Snap, lol. The iPhone pushed Android to do better.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:13 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Maybe he just honestly doesn’t think they are very innovative. He did give credit to Microsoft for Metro though, because he actually thinks its decent.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i suppose you could be right, and microsoft does deserve a lot of credit for making such a move from where they are. it just appeared like he didnt want to acknowledge Google at all even though they have been making some strides lately as well. all is good, all teams are showing some great stuff.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 10:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He said that most of the things that Google does really well aren’t things that interest him. He didn’t say that they weren’t innovating, just that he wasn’t particularly interested in writing about what they were doing. DART, GO, BigTable etc. just aren’t his cup of tea I guess.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 6:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It would be nice if you could view this in Firefox. Oh, sure the ad plays fine, but not the show…
I know HTML5 is awesome, but just put up a reliable version in Flash Player, already!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And just after I posted that last comment, I opened up Chrome and noticed that the post was updated to include a Flash-based YouTube version! Yay!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:40 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Talk about something you don’t hear every day…
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
amazing episode, and so glad i was there!!!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I feel this was far more interesting than bringing a so called “Sprint CEO” for instance, and was much more engaging. I mean, this was extremely capturing. There weren’t moments were you would go like, “just go already” as it would be by bringing boring people into the mix.
My advice, make sure you bring other engaging people like him. I agree that Gruber is an avid Apple lover. However, bringing more design oriented people or very interesting people into this will be extremely interesting, People like Matt on the last episode are great too. How about bring Dan Benjamin? Or the Kevin Rose? Opinionated people always make good for conversation. Because, often times you don’t want a static show as it would be by bringing someone from General Motors where innovation has stagnated in time for our tastes.
Love “The Verge”!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:40 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
weird glitch.
When I watch the HD video in full screen, the youtube embed sits on top of the fullscreen video. That means I can watch it with picture in picture, but that’s more annoying than it is awesome.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Is it me or is this john gruber guy a know it all jerk?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
It’s just you. He has strong opinions to which he is entitled.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:15 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Interrupting your regular programming!!!
Now on line “on the Verge”!!!
Yow za! Just finished watching the entire episode on my iPhone!!
You guys Rock! Just blew my data plan to watch this! Keep doing these loooong episodes!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:50 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
You guys turned out a really excellent show.
The hour and thirty-three minute length was of satisfying duration. (I’ll admit, I wouldn’t be complaining if it had been longer; owing to an engaging interview with Gruber, and a general enjoyment of your public personas.) That said, I believe you-all found a nice balance. The whole production was just long enough.
Side note: I was already an enjoyer of “Daring Fireball”, and Gruber’s presence on “The Talk Show”, this interview strengthened that. I had been wondering how ‘present’ he would come off in a direct visual medium – largely because of the lackadaisical tone set by Dan Benjamin on “The Talk Show”. Low and behold, there is some animate-energy there. Double thumbs up to him.
Not that anyone asked, but I give episode 2 an unsolicited “A”.
(Slight points shaved, for a bit too much camera movement during the interview… and perhaps a tighter shot on Gruber would have been in order – to crop out his busy foot :)
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:58 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I agree, this was a major improvement from the first episode. A nice length (could even be longer) and plenty of interesting topics and segments. The first one felt rushed and felt a little scripted, or I guess lacked the spontaneous / off topic tangents that make the podcast so entertaining. But this episode was great, keep it up!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:25 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Gah, this guy is really a grade A douche.
And why does it sound like he is on a video meeting where there is a significant lag between the question and answer? He also sounds like a bit of a politician by backing out of every direct question.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Or maybe he thinks before he speaks.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:39 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
I began to appreciate this as the interview progressed, rather than simply blurting out what he thought of at the time he instead gave it a deep explanation on what he was thinking. Obviously in a social setting it would be weird but that’s not what this was, it was an interview on a quite controversial writer so missteps was something he was most likely trying to avoid.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 5:45 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It took me a while to watch the entire thing (just busy). After watching I have to agree I appreciate him more. I do think that he did begin to become more fluid as the interview progressed. Admittedly, I came to search for my original comment to edit it.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 2:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
not showing up in itunes :(
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Seriously guys, please make multiple feeds of this show available. While it’s cool that there is a high quality version available, not everyone needs it, or wants to deal with a file so large.
Episode 1 wouldn’t even sync to an iPhone. That’s a problem.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What where the gmail and facebook applets they showed on the HP laptop?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:23 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
what’s up with this guy? He is extremely boring and seems almost insentient… makes Josh look that much better though…. nothing of essence seems to ever come out of his mouth almost as if he’s on Apple’s payroll and trying to diverge from every question like an effing politician accused of sexual harassment….. Great show though, The Verge gets an A+ from me on every aspect (although it seemed like the perfect timing to have Lowell McAdam as the special guest ;) )
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:26 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The direct download links are slow, and after 30 minutes on the torrent I haven’t gotten any speeds above 100 KB/s, and I have a 20 mbps connection. Can you guys please seed?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Galaxy Tab looks nothing like the iPad. It’s longer and narrower. Come on Apple stop thinking you know colors and shit.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not sure if i should comment on the show itself here or post some mindless bullshit about Gruber but i will anyway.
I watch TV, a lot of TV. Here in the UK we have some decent original programming, but nothing really does the trick for me for technology newstainment since they ditched Tomorrows World years and years ago. I’m sure other brits will agree Click and The Gadget Show are pretty bad.
Then the engadget show appeared, pretty good i thought but it wasn’t all i wanted from a Technology TV show (For the pedants im aware it isn’t on TV but i watch it on my TV so, stick it up your arse)
Anyway, what im trying to say is On the Verge is really really good. Right balance of news/humour without it being boring, if anything you could geek it up a bit more, but its your call. (Maybe the occasional TNG reference? LCARS? No, ok sorry) So keep up the good work.*
*If episode 3 is shit, i reserve the right to forget i wrote this.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:55 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Seriously I almost feel bad for not having to had pay for it, that kind of production quality is unheard of for internet TV shows.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 5:47 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sony did, fortunately.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A very enjoyable On The Verge episode. Glad to see/hear John Gruber’s thoughts on the future of Apple, I just wish they would have spoke even more!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Awesome awesome awesome awesome job guys. Thanks a lot. :D
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:01 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
Where can I find the Twitter App that Joanna showed?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
MetroTwit http://www.metrotwit.com/
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:15 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
what about the gmail applet?? :B
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Right here:
http://www.pokki.com/
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 10:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Thank you Joanna! Have a nice day.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OMG i cant believe you didnt recommend Samsung Series 9 to Josh. Get one, remove the crapware, put the rainmeter stuff on it and make him use it for a week lol
Great show btw, i hope joanna will be included in fututre shows!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:14 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The line for the Zune was hilariously awkward.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
you can download the show on my server with full speed
http://btod.net/verge_e02.mp4
enjoy
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Watching On The Verge on my upgraded Logitech Revue for the first time! #woot
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thought there was an error when Downcast said 1.8 GB download. Seriously lads please give us a smaller file for mobile devices.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Great job guys! I even love the Zune line, which is where I would be located if there was an successor to the Zune HD! There is a tiny mistake though, when Josh presents the Galaxy Nexus as his New Thing, the overlay displays it as the “Galaxy Nexsus.” Trust me, I’ve been through this before, so the optimist in me maybe you could pass this new Galaxy Nexsus off as an addition to Lexus line? Everybody loves ice cream sandwiches in their Lexus, right? Anyone?
Great show!
-Daniel Herzig/ Techblitz
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:40 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Optimist in me suggests that maybe you could pass…
Me needing an edit button to edit a comment about editing is both deeply troubling and shockingly ironic.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:54 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
HA!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:18 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I can’t tell if this is being sarcastic or not, so I will respond with this: http://images.zwani.com/graphics/thank_you/images/8.gif
Oh the things you can find on google
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Fixed!
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 12:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Great episode. I really liked Joanna’s segment.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:49 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Great show, thanks guys!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nexus /pedantry
I really like MetroTwit, I wish the AIR version of Tweetdeck could be like this.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 6:52 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Look at the camera more. Tighten up moments of silence, at least in the edited version. Paul Millers video was a bit too goofy and less informative. I feel there was a missed opportunity with the trip to Microsoft, you really could’ve been less funny. When you’re going down news, try to assign a story to one person at a time to keep the focus moving. That Apple suggestion photoshops was too long of a segment for a single joke, could at least had a more elaborate conclusion. The New Thing feature is kind of ridiculous, you might as well add those lesser stories into the news section. The DJ is great, but his timing needs to be faster. And finally, there was no conclusion to the show, it needs a better exit. Otherwise-
IT WAS AMAZINGGGSUAFGSDAFSDJFGASFG
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:01 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You’re not by any chance a teacher, are you?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In fact I’m a 17 year old with too much time on his hands. :/
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 7:32 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What?! Paul’s video was hilarious, an Apple store in Grand Central station is more a marketing stunt then something people actually need, I thought it was pretty ridiculous to be honest.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 5:50 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Can you spot Steve Jobs in the Audience at the 29 second mark?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
what is that taskbar app? pokey?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Can’t find it anywhere, Joanna?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s called Pokki
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
God dammit, a double post! This has never happened to me before… What have I done!?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 10:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s called Pokki,
http://www.pokki.com/
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Full list of the apps I demoed: http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/12/2631651/speed-up-windows-7-and-make-it-more-beautiful-with-these-apps-and-tips
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 8:24 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Great great show!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Windows more tolerable? Sigh man you guys show your colors. I can tell Josh was paining when John said that he liked WP7 more than Android. Come on Josh loosen up on your Microsoft hate a little. If an Apple Fanboy can give them props why can’t you.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:13 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I own a Windows Phone and think I would have noticed if Josh had been negative on it. Quite the opposite, Josh comes off to me as positive on Windows Phone in general and especially on Metro UI
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 10:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I was more speaking of the general direction of Microsoft as a whole. Josh has never hid his feelings on MS. Some of it’s warranted but I would like to think he’s open to a company getting their act together.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Notice the difference? Gruber hate MS, he hates copycats. All ‘artists’ should think this way. Creativity is great. P. Diddy ripping off Sting or Led Zeppelin isn’t. Android is just fake iOS, that basically took off because Apple was ‘stuck’ on a single carrier in the US.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 4:08 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’m guessing there was supposed to be a ’doesn’t’ in there? As in ‘Gruber doesn’t hate MS’?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 6:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He was right though on how the “Windows” brand is slowing the adoption rate of WP7, its just not considered cool any more so doesn’t get as much as a look in as other phones. Not saying Microsoft should ditch the Windows brands but it’s certainly holding them back. I mean Windows Box instead of Xbox? I can’t help but feel that it would have completely failed if they named it that.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 5:55 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
“We are in the Windows era — we were, we are, and we always will be.”
Ballmer just can’t let it go sadly.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 6:16 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
All the links work for me expect the “Download the show” option. Is anyone else not able to use that link?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Gruber so reluctant to credit anything non apple, losing objectivity! Good job guys the MS visit was the best segment.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey give credit to metro and WP7, ust not the google like you would.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:52 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Yo Willy, your reply makes no sense. Where do I mention Google?
My comment is in relation to the “Show” and an observation that Gruber is essentially an Apple fan boy, secondly i’m saying the guys did a good job in producing the show with my highlight being the Microsoft site visit.
So no clue what you are talking about!
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 8:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Replied from a phone with more typos than correct words, sorry. What I was trying to say was he doesn’t only like Apple. He gave due credit to WP7 and Microsoft because he thinks it’s good, but not to google, (which I can guess you probably prefer by your hate for Gruber), because he doesn’t like it. Gruber is a fanboy of quality, which Apple seems to care quite a bit about, and it’s why he likes them so much.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Ok now you make sense – But to be clear, I have no hate for Gruber, was just an observation of him whilst on the show, almost forced by Josh to show some credit to anyone other than Apple.
In regards to quality, I have been an iOS user since the original iPhone (2007) and appreciate Apple hugely, I don’t think anyone disputes they bring quality to the market, but I think players like Google have really upped their game with the Galaxy Nexus and Android 4.0 ICS. I have one as well as an Apple device and am hugely impressed.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 8:30 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I like ICS as well and am surprised that Gruber doesn’t like it more, but I think that’s just because he hasn’t used it really yet.
But I only think he was reluctant to credit google with innovation, not anything non-apple.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 1:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
GOOD
Hope the feedback is helpful
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sounders FC jerseys at the Microsoft shop! Hah!
ETERNAL BLUE, FOREVER GREEN, SOUNDERS TIL I DIE.
:D
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The look on Gruber’s face of pure puzzlement when asked to name another company that is doing good things was priceless.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 8:05 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I think there were 2 or 3 of those moments in the interview.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 8:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Where are Doc and Ed?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 8:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Needs more dungeon…
But seriously, great job Verge team!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 8:37 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Great show. Josh is still a little overbearing (is it “On the Verge”, or “The Josh Topolsky Show”?) but generally a big leap forward from the last show.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 8:55 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah, it felt at points he was just trying to get back at Gruber for calling him out in the past at points.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 1:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Actually I thought the interview was great — Gruber could keep his current thought going while Josh was still trying to crack wise, and Josh could pull Gruber back to points he wasn’t so keen on. I would have been surprised if Josh didn’t bring past article vs. article disagreements up, since they play out so much more interestingly face-to-face.
My complaint really is with how he handles those who are obviously less confident than he is at presenting, so he over compensates by dominating the conversation instead of allowing them to find their voice.
He seems to quite often fall into the trap of asking something, then (possibly unknowingly) following up with statements that pretty much leave the other with nothing left to say. I think it’s a fear of silence from the other that seems to spur him to fill the void, but the consequence is the silence just perpetuates and he has to keep saying more to fill it. A good presenter doesn’t fear silence.
I’m exaggerating of course, and time and experience will solve it (the problem is more evident in episode 001) but I think it’s important to bring up.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 9:30 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
what was the name of the “applets” Joanna was showing Josh on the HP Envy? Pokie?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
that guys John Gruber sucks…
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This was an epic show. Made me laugh out loud so many times.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Especially Paul and Josh trolling at Apple and Microsoft stores, respectively.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I love you guys, you are great, especially when you are trolling the Apple Genius :D
Keep up the good work :D
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:26 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Either switch up the cameras used on the show or—the slightly cheaper option—dictate what kind of shirts your guests wear.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I can’t help to guess that the guest for next month’s episode will talk mainly about Microsoft?
xD
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Do a mini vergecast a bit longer in this show. That’s what people love. Very good guest this week!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Gotta say6 best one yet :) much funnier and much more in depth than the first episode! Awesome work guys!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 10:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That intro rocks my socks!! Awesome! Love the show
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 10:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I am this excited
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 10:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is was some great entertainment. Great way to take a break from Finals Week! Thanks for the great show guys!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 10:58 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Another great episode guys, although I must say the Gruber interview dragged on a bit long and I began loosing interest towards the end.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Paul is John C.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Now seeding!!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think Gruber was spot on with his time travel analysis.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Right, if you take away the advantage that Apple had (first to market, time), then yeah, i guess all the phones would be very similar. MS has always been a copycat, if they had a time machine, yea, things would look very different.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 4:05 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think he meant it more as a shot against Android, actually. It makes sense to me. I can’t see why the average, non-tech savvy consumer would pick Android over WP7 as most of Android’s strengths are lost on them and most of WP7’s strengths would benefit them. I think part of it has to do with Android being an established brand now, but if you were to give them both the same start, I think WP7 would come out on top with consumers.
Although, Josh’s is right in that WP7 was probably hurt by the Windows name. That and Microsoft’s awful marketing of the product.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 8:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
my biggest problem with gruber is he is so arrogant about his opinion and about a specific brand type. when josh asked him if any other company is innovating he seriously couldnt come up with any other company? its like he has apple goggles on
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Give us a few examples of things that you think are truly innovative. I’m curious.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Did you miss the part where he spent 5 mins talking about the great work MS is doing with Metro design (WP7, Windows 8)?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He likes what Microsoft is doing currently, particularly with the Metro design. It thought he made that very clear.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Noticed in the ‘de-poisoning’ segment that Joanna managed to squeeze in yet another reference to Justin Bieber – bottom left corner of the Rainmeter thing. I foresee this being an ongoing Easter Egg mini-game on the Verge.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Also, can I get some reassurance that the email address visible in that segment is not real?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why didn’t Joanna/Nilay say Rock-n-Roll???
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:18 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
THANK YOU JOSH, for not always interupting John so that he can get his points across. Finally, a good, fair conversation without all these sarcastic comments that don’t let people express themselves. A++ show in terms of content.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:22 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think it was a great show. Josh did much better on the interview letting his guest speak. A nice mixture of casts. All around job well done guys, I enjoyed it :)
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:46 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You know what I liked about the show, when Gruber asked if he could swear, and Josh was like “sure, go ahead”. lol… Podcast and On the Verge needs more swearing… People swear, I met Nilay just over a year ago, swore a few times in only a minute or two, like real people.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:18 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Gruber is one of the worst spoken people I’ve ever seen. There is something about him that just turns me off. The guy is a DB.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:30 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Really? You mean that someone who mostly communicates through text wasn’t an amazing speaker when tossed in front of a live audience and being broadcast across the net?
Go figure.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would kill to see a version of the Microsoft segment shot inside Apple.
Also, “Extreme computing? Do you guys drink a lot of Mountain Dew?”
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:41 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
you mean ‘The Verge’?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 4:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Is it just my laptop’s screen, or do people look fairly yellow in the video?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t know who John Gruber is, so, uh…. otherwise, great show!
I loved Joanna’s shark and her cute nuzzling. (“C’mon, come over here. C’mon!”)
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nexus is spelled Nexsus on the on-screen banner during the 20 second thing. Oh, and this was really fun to watch!
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 3:01 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Fixed!
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 12:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So, what do you call John Gruber swimming in the ocean? Fanbuoy!
No, seriously, I love DF. It gives me my daily kick of sarcasm mixed with fanbuoyancy :) DF and the Macalope…
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 3:07 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
did anyone else see david cross in the audience or am i imagining things?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 3:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
For April Fools I want to see Joanna Stern pretend she is the Tina Fey character holding them all together,
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 3:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s amazing that Josh, who loves Apple stuff, could get into a (slightly) antagonistic interview with a fellow Apple lover, Gruber. You called him a fanboy? A name, you yourself have been called? Pfft. Okay.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 4:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I still don’t get why apple stores are cram packed with people? Its a huge store full of 10 tables of the same 3 or 4 products. Have people never seen an ipod or an ipad before? And its a bunch of hipsters who are surfing the web on a macbook. Have they never surved the web before entering the store? And this Grand Central store… what can they possibly fill the store with?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 4:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Seriously I just don’t get it either, I mean a lot of them are no doubt simply browsing but damn you just never see an empty Apple store.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 5:58 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple stores are incredibly low pressure sales environments, and they’re also pleasant spaces to be in so they’re something of a refuge on the high street.
They also manage to turn those high numbers of visitors into impressively high sales figures, with industry leading revenue/square foot.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 6:25 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
“Apple stores are incredibly low pressure sales environments”
I don’t think many people understand the importance of this. Being in an Apple Store doesn’t necessarily make it seem like you’re actually shopping. You’re just playing with cool stuff that happens to be available for purchase.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Probably because, unlike Microsoft stores, there is no need to dodge employees line-dancing to the Black Eyed Peas. Which I would imagine is more conducive to a pleasant shopping experience.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Go to http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=GB#/watch?v=vxeiAtpQobY Watch the kid dance to the whole song and then tell me how many other stores that would be applauded in.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 11:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Ok, genius? Let me ask you: what kind of marketshare do you think Apple has?
Right, about 10% of the market.
So what % of people have never used a Mac before, or are curious to play with one? ….
Right.. the other 90%.
Right.. the other 90%.That’s what Apple Stores are for. That’s why they exist.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 12:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Recommend this post if you wanted to +1/Like The Verge posts but could not find a way to do so!
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 4:42 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
left hand side under the main picture.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 6:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Paul is winning this show so hard.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 4:56 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Gruber should’ve considered another shirt.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 8:06 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I’ve been watching for a bit now, and god damn is this guy boring. I don’t care if he’s a troll or not, but he’s boring as hell.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 8:30 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Right – the moire patterns – they burn!
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I find it interesting that you both make a big deal about the introduction of the first iPhone. That unveil was truly unique and unlike any subsequent event. It was a mixture of humor, seriousness and competitive flare — something that I feel is missing from recent Apple unveils. Ironically, something that I think Google has done a better job doing with Android. I also found interesting that you emphasized that the singular phrase to hallmark that release… that Jobs remarked at the iPhone being 5 years ahead of any smartphone. That was back in 2007. Four years later, he’s still right. Android (and others) are still catching up to the iPhone in facility and overall experience. Some may argue that they’re closer than ever. Again, interestingly, though, in those four years, iOS hasn’t changed much. Perhaps, Jobs was prophesying the state of iOS and the competition. 2012 might be the year that Android finally catches up and surpasses iOS. Or, on the five year anniversary, iOS6 and the iPhone 5 will revolutionize the world again! The half-decade mark is going to be tell-tale. For the pro-Jobs camp, who believe that he has never led them wrong, this might be a hallmark 2012 for the mobile industry.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 8:54 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Interesting how an Apple store does not look out of place in a neo-classical building like Grand Central.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 9:07 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Good show. Audio could have been better. Nice opening. Not at all what I expected. Nice production quality all around.
Show needs a real band.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 9:12 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, John Gruber is such a Apple fanboy. I really can’t stand people who don’t see anything good in a product just because it isn’t made by their Idolized company.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 10:51 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You apparently didn’t actually listen to what Gruber was saying in the interview.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:01 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Couldn’t you say the exact same thing about people who blindly hate Apple no matter what they do?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 4:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I LOOOVE the intro and outro song!
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 10:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I kind of want it for my driving music playlist.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 1:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is painful to watch. This guy is such a fanboy and can’t even acknowledge it. Even the audience can’t stand him.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 11:00 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Which guy are you talking about.. the guy snapping pics at the Apple store or… the guy who refuses to touch Windows Laptops… Be specific
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 12:50 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I really liked this second episode of “On The Verge” (I liked the first one too, but this one blew my mind much more).
Congratulations :)
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 11:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This was a great episode, and it was interesting listening to Gruber talk about Apple in this context.
Josh’s Microsoft feature was hilarious.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 11:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Verge guys (and gals),
I love the new site and show. While the site is a ball-buster to load on older machines, I can live with it. However, I do agree with others that you might want to consider maybe 3 versions of the show’s file to download (sort of like Revision3’s programs). With their shows I am viewing their “Large” MP4 option (I believe just one under their HD option), It still looks great on a big screen TV via PS3 but easier on the bandwidth (< 300 MB per 30-40 min episodes). Besides, with all the ISP’s capping our bandwidth now we’ll all soon be counting our bits and bytes.
Keep up the great work—you are on “The Verge” of excellence!
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A have a torrent file for this episode?
I love you “The Verge”.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I was lucky enough to be in the audience for this, and I had a fantastic time — really nice work, you guys, very professional and all the more impressive for being the second show.
And thank you for the chance to see John Gruber in person — I thoroughly enjoyed the interview, and appreciated that you pushed him a little on points of contention while still respecting his point of view. I’d worried a little going in that things would get ugly, but clearly I shouldn’t have!
Great job, basically!
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Loved this. How can I (or anyone else) come to a live taping and be a part of the audience? Anyone know?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 5:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
John Gruber – more like John Goober.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 5:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well played sir.
*facepalm
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 12:49 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
strange question: anyone know the make/model of gruber’s shoes? I really like them. dead serious about this.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 5:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This episode is so good… it’s like sharks with FRIKKIN’ LASER BEAMS ON THEIR HEADS!
Watching this made me want to pay you guys for doing this. Tell me what I, as a user, can do for you guys. My adblocker is disabled, give me a Flattr-Link or stuff to click on to support you.
I know that you aren’t a free tiny startup and that you are backed financially and that there was an ad on the show but still. This was so freaking good. The banter between Josh and John was awesome. Time flew during that extremely long interview (according to regular Talkshow Standards).
Keep this up. I still can’t believe I didn’t have to pay. I WANT TO PAY FOR THIS!
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 5:24 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Hi Sebastian, you could try flattring @verge on Twitter :)
Posted on Jan 04, 2012 | 2:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Can anyone tell me why the feedburner.com link “is not supported” in DoubleTwist?
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 6:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I am not an Apple guy, I don’t personally own or use Apple products…but I do recommend them when appropriate and I do listen to John Gruber and have his weekly podcast in my rotation. I appreciate his tone and attitude and, most importantly, John’s insight and perspective …
Thanks!
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 9:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Terrific show, guys. Loved every minute of it. The John Gruber interview gave a lot of background, and to be honest, I like being right myself; getting something wrong sucks, even more so when you’re trying to make predictions (buy have no time for that Pachter guy, he can get lost).
Definitely looking into Joanna’s Windows sortation, loved Paul’s one man flash mob, the Zune queue, and Nilay’s sorted tablet design.
And the New Thing segment? Keep that going, it’s light and allows for items that might not otherwise get a mention. I mean, come on, flying sharks? Who doesn’t want one of those.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 10:07 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
great show! much progress! really love it
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 11:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Grubber was amazing, great interview. I thought it would be a 4 or 5 min interview like some of the interviews on late night TV shows but 30 mins in the interview I was really impressed. You guys just keep packin’ them in punch after punch. Keep it up. And nice touch adding joana to the new things segament. The new things are not that interesting though. I liked Niley’s
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 11:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Awesome show guys keep it up! Can’t wait for the next one.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 11:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That interview felt like Josh was trying his hardest to make Gruber say something controversial for 45 minutes.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 12:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 3:13 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Fixed!
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 12:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
gruber has little substance or depth. has he ever even written a book?
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 3:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
An interesting interview that didn’t really reveal that much I didn’t already know about John Gruber. He’s an interesting man for sure, but Joshua Topolsky seriously needs to stop interrupting his guests when they’re talking! Every now and then with a quip maybe but it’s a pattern and he needs to work on it. Despite that, it was a good interview.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 3:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i was thinking the same about his interruptions. considering that this wasn’t his first or second show in his life he should know better by now. also i don’t need that “late night talk show” kind of theme.
at engadget they had a real roundtable where each staff member was treated equally as it now has become a host-guest situation.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 8:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I enjoyed the first show but this one was boring to be honest. I got bored during the John Gruber interview, the audience seemed bored as well and the format generally is just way too similar to how it was at Engadget. In fact it’s Engadget in all but name. It needs to be freshened up in my opinion because keeping most of the same personalities again and bringing them over will only keep the video show interesting for so long. And better guests are needed. Hate to be critical but it’s just my opinion…
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 6:16 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
hilarious how gruber tries to qualify himself as an author because he has written in email double the number of words of an average book. josh called him out by asking the rhetorical "it (your email) wasn’t a narrative, was it?… lulz
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 7:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Huh? John wasn’t saying that writing so many words made him an “author”, he was just saying that he’d written a lot and was getting better at it. Christ.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 12:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
another amazing show guys keep it up
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 7:31 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Exactly as I expected. Gruber confirms he is a shallow, non-accommodating, biased hack and to top it all – is proud about it. Seriously what’s this guy’s age – after gathering life experiences, looking and learning around even a less able human being learns to broaden perspective. Just sad that Gruber is stuck in his definitions of right and wrong concerned with friggin pieces of ever obsoleting technology that exists to make money to friggin pieces of $CORPs.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 10:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Listen to the latest episode of The Talk Show to get his take on the interview.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 1:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Also a big Talk Show fan… John found it ironic that, after being called a fanboy a few times by Josh (an Apple fanboy), Josh cut to a tour of the Apple Store, and then a segment about how Josh hates Windows and will never use it unless the UI is modded, etc. It’s obvious that people with taste prefer a certain fruit company, what’s not clear is why the hell Josh is calling out—- oh right, to appease the Android guys. That kinda makes sense. Misleading and totally lame, but, okay.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 12:48 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This guy is horrible. It’s hard to watch.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 2:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Great show, guys. Everything I hoped it would be and more. This is great content in a great format. This stuff needs to become the future of entertainment.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 2:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Really great show ! I loved John’s segment .. team of Josh, paul, Nilay and Joanna on the show is the killer combo! … I think Joanna added a nice zing to the entire show. I hope she gets to talk more Windows. Nilay on Apple, Joanna on Windows and Josh on his Android thing or whatever …
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 5:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What an accessibility #FAIL on so many levels…. it was not captioned for the deaf and hard of hearing. Its not like I just sit in my wet diapers and wait for someone to entertain me, It is not hard to caption a show… especially for a bunch of geeks… i mean, seriously. The Verge is supposed to be about the latest, greatest cutting edge stuff, yet their social accessibility attitude sucks all the way back to Helen Keller times. Maybe itll change if perhaps Topolsky wakes up one morning and cant hear… thats what it takes to get shit done, either that, or judicial avenues, but the Verge is in clear violation of Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1992. Period.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 6:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why do I have the feeling that 95% of the people above calling Gruber a fanboy in a pejorative sense are at least equally bad “never gonna touch an Apple gadget” Android fanboys themselves? Way to go, double standards.
The show was great, more power to the verge!
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 1:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
@Joanna Stern; Sry to be late on this, but WOOOOOHHHHHHH ! ! ! you can borrow a windows dvd from anyone and use your license on the bottom of you laptop and if you don’t have a friend with a copy you can LEGALLY download a torrent file of a retail copy of Windows, or give them $10 and they will mail you one or give you’re laptop manufacture $10 and they will mail you one. The important part is the key at the bottom, there is NO reason to go out and buy a $120 copy of windows when you have a license already. Plus nicer systems come with a clean copy of windows.
I love the work and reviews tho :-)
Just want to add, if you get the dvd from the manufacturer they usually give you the drivers specific for your system as well :-) so you won’t have to go driver hunting on there web site.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 3:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The fact that he doesn’t “get” Facebook is a narrow-minded view for someone who is supposed to have valuable insights into new technology and the mainstream. It’s like Rubenstein refusing to ever use an iPhone.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:46 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Absolutely agree. It’s absurd he doen’t even have a Facebook account, WTF?!?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:52 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Now that’s funny! Dude! You know that Facebook is not “cool”…right?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 10:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Anyone know if there are show notes with a listing of the recommended apps that Joanna mentioned?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 4:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/12/2631651/speed-up-windows-7-and-make-it-more-beautiful-with-these-apps-and-tips
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow – what can I say?
It’s been a while since I’ve been that excited to watch something, and be so disappointed. The host of this show is so interested in one thing – pandering to his audience. He walks in a cool new building and could really show us some amazing things that are going on in Microsoft – and uses every opportunity to a) display his painted on jeans and b) interrupt the tour guide with meaningless “jokes”.
Then he has one one of the most successful writers of our time on, and seeks to defame him with this dismissive “fanboy” tag. Then, he persists on being an apologist for Google throughout the show.
I know – the vast majority of the audience would rather have something “edgy” than informative, but I thought these writers were better than this.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 9:56 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
After watching the full episode it is a bit disappointing that Joshua attacked Grubber, the question “so, why are you not a fanboy?” is really not the kind of question do make to a guest. Besides that, it was a great show, thanks.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 3:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
love seeing how Gruber trying hard to justify his fanboyish stance. Good job Joshua.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 9:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This show is really fantastic! Great production, great hosts, great features and guests. Kudos guys and gals, seriously bang-up work!
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 8:46 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
for me apple can do TV!! but lett samsung du anything else!!! :D
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
For me apple can do TV!! but lett Samsung do anything else!!! :D
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
does the iTunes download really need to be 1.4 gb?
episode #1 was 850+mb.
Sure would be nice if you compressed those a little bit more.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 12:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Great episode, keep em’ coming.
Posted on Feb 06, 2012 | 5:18 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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