RIM's full name may be Research in Motion, but that motion's looking pretty slow right about now. The company's conference call to discuss the earnings it reported today included the devastating news that there won't be any BlackBerry 10 phones until late 2012. You'll recall that the BlackBerry London device that leaked out last month was also rumored to be launching in Q3 2012, so this new statement from RIM is an official confirmation of that speculative roadmap. More specifically, the investor call included reference to the need for a "highly integrated dual-core LTE platform," which RIM has identified in a chipset that won't be available until mid-2012. That means we're looking at "the latter part of calendar 2012" as the launch window for BlackBerry 10 phones. Sorry, BB fans, your QNX smartphone won't be coming any time soon.
Here's the quote from co-CEO Mike Lazaridis in full:
"Before I turn the call over to Brian to discuss the financials, I would like to provide an update on the timing of BlackBerry 10 smartphones. As I said on the last earnings call, we are focused on delivering a high-quality, fully-featured user experience when these products are launched. This means having a well-developed ecosystem of applications and services, as well as having the hardware specifications, industrial design, and application features that will meet the expectations of consumers in the competitive US market.
"To achieve this goal, we need a highly integrated dual-core LTE platform. The processor we selected offers industry-leading power and efficiency that also allows us to deliver the industrial design that we believe is critical to success in this market segment. This chipset will not be available until mid-2012, and as a result of this and certain other factors, we now expect our first BlackBerry 10 smartphone to come to market in the latter part of calendar 2012.
"In the meantime, we believe our strong BlackBerry 7 portfolio will continue to drive adoption of BlackBerry around the world. We also believe there’s an opportunity to accelerate adoption in the United States through the aggressive marketing and promotional programs we discussed earlier, as well as marketing designed to drive adoption of services such as BBM and Mobile Fusion. We ask for your patience and confidence, and look forward to reporting further progress in the coming quarters."

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And the ship sinks a little further down…
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 5:42 PM EST reply Recommend (26) Flag actions
doesn’t matter how far down it sinks when it’s already underwater. ;-[
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 11:51 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 1:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
…no comments here (until now)
I sense apathy!
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 5:43 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Will RIM still be around in late 2012?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 5:43 PM EST reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
I’d be shocked if they are!
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:02 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
RIM shipped 14.1 million handsets this past quarter… and they posted a profit too.
They’ll be around for a while.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 12:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
True, we’ve seen that handset makers can last for years after they stop making a profit.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 5:47 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
maybe so but not in their current form. They’ve put themselves in the same position as Nokia did
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 11:54 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Netflix did in one year what RIM’s been doing for 4 to 5.
Now they’re both on track to make measly profits (perhaps even net losses) until late 2012.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 9:46 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I would guess they are entrenched enough in enterprise/government they’ll be around for a while – though ripe for a takeover, but I’m not sure who would want to inherit that headache.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:19 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
“ripe” for a takeover
i see what u did there… ;)
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 1:47 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
maybe for the patents, like google did with motorola.. although that patent acquisition war seems to either have slowed down a bit or we just don’t see many reports on it anymore..
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 6:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yep, patents and user base are valuable. RIM would be a god target for someone. But who? MS were blocked when they looked at it in 2006. Chances are Apple would be as well.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 11:08 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
they will, but they will be like the annoying new guy who everyone ignores.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:25 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
More like the annoying guy who has work there for decades but barely bothers to show up, doesn’t do any decent work but somehow seems to avoid getting fired.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 12:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Even assuming they launch an amazing product, people will be even more entrenched in Android or iOS by then. I dont see them being able to recover the market share they’ve lost, let alone the market they are going to continue to lose for then next 10 months without a viable competitor in the market. They might as well settle for 4th place behind Windows Phone, assuming they are still around.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 10:10 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’m tempted to say no. And common sense tells me they won’t. But look what happened to Apple. On the verge of bankruptcy, now the worlds largest CE company. These things can happen!
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 5:25 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
RIS – Research In Slowmotion?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 5:43 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
That’s dangerously close to IRS.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:19 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
That’s dangerously close to IRIS.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 7:51 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
And that’s anagram of Siri.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Which is dangerously close to Sirius
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 8:36 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Which is a company Apple bought…
So, Apple will buy RIM? :O
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 8:42 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
maybe they will put rims on the iCar
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:25 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Why do even try so hard? Try Research In Molasses.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 9:44 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Running in Molasses.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 9:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Way to drop the ball RIM…
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 5:44 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Would you buy a sinking ship?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 5:45 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Isn’t that what Microsoft does?
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 3:46 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If I had right tools and material to stop it sinking, I would. Why is Google buying Motorola (except for patents)?
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 9:40 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
They just need to give up. It is only through Microsoft’s inability to gain traction with WP7 that RIM is still remotely relevant. By the end of 2012, iOS and Android will be so far ahead that RIM won’t have a prayer with BB10.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 5:46 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
It’s not just iOS and Android. By the end of 2012, Nokia will also be 12 months into a massive marketing + sales drive.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:03 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
hence, microsoft, since they make windows phone 7, not nokia.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
my thinking exactly
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just by looking at that picture I’d try one out but I’ll have a Galaxy Nexus or another NExus phone by that time. If I was ready to switch at the time of the release of BB10 I’d consider it from the looks and good performance of the PlayBook
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 8:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The timing can’t be more inconvenient. By late 2012 there will be a new iPhone with iOS 6 and probably a new set of great Android 5.0 phones. We’ll see the introduction of a better Metro and some more WP7 handsets. But that’s obvious. What I mean is that everyone who uses BlackBerry will choose around July 2012 to finally migrate to other ecosystems. So good luck to RIM, they’ll have to try to win former BB users back… which won’t happen.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 10:25 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I’m in a bad mood, so I’m going to leave a bad comment on a blog.
RIM, it’s over. You guys had your run, putting out the same device over and over. The business crowd ate them up. Proto-smartphone users, wannabes, and enthusiasts did too. But now? Now? It’s OVER. Your market share is shit. Your phones are uncool. Your hardcore base is over the keyboard, and the one thing you did well (communications) is being overtaken. iMessage, google chat/talk/voice… BBM no longer has the cache it enjoyed. And since everyone does push emails now, you don’t have that either.
The worst part is you have NO VISION. Why the PlayBook? It was a half assed attempt to have a tablet and I wouldn’t suggest it to a monkey. Your OS is shit. The future will never come for BBX. And I’m tired of hearing about it. At least Palm had the decency to die in 2 years, you guys will be around for the next 5-10 due to a combo of cash reserves and too much foolish pride. Spin off BBM to somebody. Sell your patents. Retire to British Columbia. Just stop trying, please.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 5:49 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (35) Flag actions
Wow, you must have been in quite a bad mood :D
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 5:57 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
If it takes a bad mood to get the truth RIM needs more of it..
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:17 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
They sat an watched as they got destroyed by iOS and Android. Seriously what went through their heads? We have a keyboard? Oh and BBM. Not enough guys, it may have been something to desire a few years back but you guys have done nothing in the time. iOS and Android eclipse BB as a whole.
You think having two CEOs means they’d have twice the chance of avoiding a disaster. Instead they are both equally stupid and arrogant.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:31 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
What fool would think that? After the last decade, “overseen by the CEO” should be a worse insult than “designed by committee.”
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 8:51 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
10% is not shit.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
10% isn’t cool. You know what’s cool? A billion percent.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 12:54 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You can have a shrinking market share of a growing market and still make money. Didn’t they sell more BlackBerries this year than ever before or something?
Clearly RIM are in decline, but they don’t need to disappear or anything. There doesn’t just have to be two winners. BB10 will find something of an audience. This isn’t WebOS – level irrelevance.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sounds like RIM is going for a long term plan, but unfortunately, it’s not going to be enough. Their failure to innovate early on is really going to hurt them now. At this point, they are in a lose/lose situation. Either throw something together quick and hope it sells just to keep the brand relevant until they come up with something worthy of being a competing smartphone, OR just give up on the fight for now and put some serious effort into R&D and then come out with something great later on. The problem with the second option is that by the time they have some really amazing idea, it will be old and out-paced by Apple, Google, and Microsoft. There’s nothing they can do now. All they can do is sell the company, or give up,.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They actually move slower than the federal govt lmao.. They must have forgot that in the business world you can CUT the redtape if need be.. Fire half the damn company do something anything.. I swear they could make random blog commenters (I refuse to say commentators) Execs and do a better job..
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:19 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
If they managed to get something out earlier in the year, even if it is not fully baked but runs smooth like the original version of WP7 before mango. Then at least it shows everyone they have a solid new direction. As long has they have the core features working great (i.e, BBM, BB Enterprise stuff, Email!) then they will be fine. If the titanic that is Microsoft, can change its direction, so can RIM.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 5:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, but MS has money to burn and they still haven’t gained any traction with Windows Phone. They did release a half baked OS in the Playbook and look how that turned out.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 8:01 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
whats a playbook?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If they make it look like webOS I will jump on board. I like a beating.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is exactly the kind of news that goes well with their 70% in quarterly profits. I wonder if there’s a way to check how much traffic to Monster.com has increased in Waterloo in the last week.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:02 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The problem isn’t their time to market, it is the fact that it is a completely different OS. If users (even business) have to switch to a new way of doing things, why not switch to one that has a huge following and been around for years? This is exactly why WP7 isn’t taking off (I’m a WP7 user). If someone has to learn something new, they’re going to go for the most popular choice. Android and iOS have more capabilities than WP7, so not many are going to make that switch and BB10 will have the same problem.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:04 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
nice knowing you, Blackberry…
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Oh well.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow… that’s special. RIM officially has ZERO chance of rebounding…
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Down goes Frazier!
RIM is going to be owned by Facebook in 2013, saw the future
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:17 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Man… I decided to take a peek at the stock price because I considered buying some a few years ago at around 60 a share… looking at it now… I’m just…. shocked that the people in charge of this publicly traded company aren’t gone yet. It’s embarassing how much ground they’ve lost after jumping to such a huge lead in the consumer smartphone market. What in the $@$# have they been doing? At this point, I’m even starting to question the board.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I know right
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Man RIM basically just told their faithful fanbase “Hey we aint putting out anything good for a year, so feel free to find a new platform.” They don’t understand how fast their industry moves. Crazyness. Rest in peace Research in Motion
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:19 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Absolutely. Stick a fork in them. We can all look to Palm and see the chain of events that led to their demise, and forecast RIM’s.
As Palm rested on its laurels(sp?) with PalmOS, they were surpassed by even Windows Mobile. Finally, they had a last ditch effort with the Treo Pro. That could be likened to the Bold Touch. That all lines up perfectly… so it’s not going to be long now til RIM is done or absorbed into another company.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:21 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I totally agree. It’s like Lazaridis and Balsillie can’t see just how fast the industry is moving. By this time next year, dual-core phones will be a distant memory, yet RIM is betting on a dual-core LTE chipset. They need fresh vision over in Waterloo, and they’re not gonna get it as long as these two are still around.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:15 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
You really don’t understand technology. Just because it is not Quad doesn’t mean it’s not competitive – remember when iPhone 3GS was announced and everything was ‘Twice as Fast’ as iPhone 3G? Did they go to dual-core to get there? No, they went from an ARMv6 core to an ARMv7 (Coretex-A8) core that is more efficient. NVidia is bringing quad-A9’s out next year while Samsung, TI and others will bring dual-A15s, which are more efficient. Qualcomm’s Krait core is also more efficient than the A9s and run faster to boot. Lining up Qualcomm’s MSM8960 to NVidia’s Tegra3 you’ll find the 8960 is better on CPU (and not so great on GPU).
If RIM launches a dual-A9 LTE chip in Q3’12 then I will agree they’re out of touch – but then again all of their BB7 phones are running the same HW as WP7 phones – it’s not the # of cores that’s going to sell the products, it will be if B10 is better than Android-“J” (K?) or IOS6 in that timeframe. If they can deliver a compelling user experience then people will buy then regardless of what’s under the hood.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 10:09 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
My favorite quote from his comments:
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:20 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
Drive adoption off a cliff sounds appropriate
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:35 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
sure, because nothing says adoption like small touch screens with plastic keys
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:22 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well…..good luck, RIM!
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m so glad I didn’t get RIMjob
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:22 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
BlackBerries have a surprising amount of RAM–Random Acts of Misery.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Bummer, Blackberry 10 looks way better than ICS.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:21 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I already know most around here will think I’m nuts, but here goes:
While it’s not good that they aren’t releasing BB10 phones until the second half of 2012, the reason they’re doing it at least makes me optimistic. Everyone accuses them of not innovating but it looks like to me there’s an LTE chipset that will be low power (which is a big deal to RIM) which, on top of a new phone OS, looks quite good to me. I can only hope that what Mike L. said about making sure they have a full ecosystem and such along with the release of BB10 phones is true. I will still be waiting for a BB10 QWERTY keyboard.
As for the BB7 phones, as a current user of one, they aren’t the BBs of old. I love my 9930 much more than I did my old Tour. If current old BB users upgrade to BB7, they’ll be in for a surprise.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:41 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
or they could move on to iOS or android and be in for a lot more of a suprirse. – a new way of life.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:21 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Just ‘cause they say they plan to do all that doesn’t mean they will. RIM consistently falls short on their promises that I don’t even think they’ll have a phone ready for Q3. It’ll probably be Q4.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 1:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Just you watch.
Early 2012: “technical issues” either force RIM to use current gen LTE, or push BB10 to early 2013 to make changes. Calling it right now.
You’re either getting BB10 on time, or low power LTE. Not both.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 9:49 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Wow, really circling down the drain. What possessed these guys to go Playbook first, we’ll never know.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:42 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
and 7" instead of 10
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Because it was going to be an easy way to jump into a lucrative market. That’s what almost all of these post-iPad tablets have seemed like — people were buying these things and it was going to be easy to get some of that, especially if it had a big name like Blackberry attached to it.
As it’s turned out, of course, is that people aren’t just buying “tablets”…they’re buying iPads.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 6:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Dual core? Surely by late 2012 the competitors will be moving beyond dual core – there is already a quad core tablet on the market, and phones in the pipeline.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:44 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/07/rims-mike-lazaridis-qnx-coming-to-blackberry-phones-when-dual/ LOLOLOL
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 7:48 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
And likely next year we will hear the same thing again.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 4:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why is there a need for Blackberry anymore? The big three mobile OSs have already captured the market and lets be honest there is really no room for a forth. RIM is dead in the consumer space and eventually as time moves, newer people who move into enterprise and will move away from RIM too.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:47 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
many of todays consumer smartphones have enterprise support.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And what are “The Big Three” here? Surely you must mean Symbian as #1 right, given it still has the largest distribution of the mobile market?
Or even if you were looking at just US Smartphone demographic, you would realize that RIM’s OS is still in the top 3, both in install base and market share. Both iOS and Andriod took off like a rocketship in the last five years – what’s to say that BB10 won’t come on strong to usurp the thrown once again (given they had at least 40% of US market before)? You people are too short sighted.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 10:15 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Because enterprise is following consumer choices now, and Blackberry has always been enterprise first?
There’s lots of reasons people might have to switch AWAY from Blackberry, and not many to switch to it. If you can argue otherwise, I’m actually interested, because with all of these other smartphones on the market no one has ever told me why I’d want a BB.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 6:15 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
RIM may as well just close down now and give the money back to the shareholders. I mean, seriously, what kind of stuff are they smoking up in Waterloo to let things get this bad?! The iPhone was announced in January 2007, almost five years ago! The co-CEOs should have got fired a long time ago…
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 6:48 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
be careful when you say a company should fold, remember when Michael Dell said that about Apple?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 8:34 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well Apple is different. RIM is just a ding brand. They may have been revelenet in 2003 but not now.,
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
And when it’s finally released quad core will be the norm…
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 7:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
or quin core or sex core
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What does it take to fire a CEO? CEOs are supposed to make shareholders happy, and keep them happy.
If their 2 CEOs haven’t been fired already, I need to ask why.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 7:32 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
why do they even need two CEOS? that alone tells you something wrong is with the compney.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ll just put this in here… http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/07/rims-mike-lazaridis-qnx-coming-to-blackberry-phones-when-dual/
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 7:48 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Yet again RIM is trying to pander to the US market only, the rest of the world doesn’t matter. The US is far from the be all and end all market for anyone.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 7:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, look how well that worked out for Nokia…
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 8:05 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well Nokia still thinks its the 90s.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
most of todays tech companies started in the US.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But the US is the only place they’re actually in a bit of trouble. Their BB7 products will sell OK for the next couple quarters in the rest-of-world (except maybe China). Questions though is how long can emerging markets, Latin America, South-East Asia, etc keep them afloat, particularly when half those countries are threatening to ban data service to BB unless RIM lets them spy on their users?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 10:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
RIM needs to fill the feature phone void that everyone is leaving. Something like this in the fall of 2012 would turn them around and make them market leaders in the segment.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 7:58 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Do they even want to stay in business?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 8:32 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
They do, but they don’t know how to do so.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
From the little I know about RIM it appears they were always a company for the enterprise market. Their success in the consumer market was a happy accident. They released a half backed product in the Playbook and got burned bad by it. They are wise to learn from the mistakes. Release a quality full featured product and retain your enterprise market and forget the consumer market. The consumer market just moves too fast and competition is too great for the likes of RIM.
Steve Jobs once said of the enterprise market is that the decision makers are idiots and completely out of touch. I think those guy are t
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
… I think those guys are their true customers.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Even todays consumer smartphones are starting to have enterprise support.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And that means enterprise customers are adopting bring-your-own-device policies and further digging RIM’s grave.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 12:23 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
if Rim were the titanic, then the titanic is splitting in half
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
And Apple and Google are the high tech, extremely aggressive iceberg.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 11:41 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think even Microsoft with Windows Phone would be a big enough iceberg
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 7:37 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Lazardis what is wrong with you man? Why is the company falling apart.. It really kind of pisses me off. Does this mean the 2.0 for the playbook will get delayed as well? Let it go and pass down the torch there are many people in your own company that would take blackberry to new places.. Why so much disorganization? Jaguar is going to rip your ass into pieces if you dont snap out of it!
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I take you are a Rim/.Blackberry fan?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Jaguar isn’t going to do shit – they don’t have enough shares themselves, and anyone else they may want to get on board (institutional investors) will first talk it through with Mike & Jim. However, I can’t wait for the next AGM to see if there is mass revolt to re-appoint either of them to their current roles, or to get current members of the board replaced for lack of corporate governance. It really is like Mike just runs the show and this is a ‘public company’ only in the minds of shareholders, otherwise it’s the company Mike built from scratch and he can drive it off a cliff if he damn well chooses. Dude needs to pull a Gates and just step away from the day-to-day and focus on refining The Vision. Or getting A Vision. Or something. Visioneering.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 10:23 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
yes, is that ok?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Tip. If you are gonna replay to someone, hit the reply button under their name and of course its alright, but you do know Rim is slowly dieing right?
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:15 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I still think they have a chance, but I think an oncoming hostile takeover will eventually happen with companies like Jaguar doing everything in their power to get RIM to respond.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Jaguar can do anything they want. its the consumer who will respond to the results.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
huh okay buddy lol
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Its true. Consumers win as they choose what they want and if RIM cant product a product they do not like then no one will buy it.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
At this point, RIM should be considering pulling a Sega and move from hardware sales to software. Sticking with a dual-core mobile cpu is not a bad thing if the hardware & software combination offered a competitive, polished alternative to Android, iOS and Windows Mobile.
Unfortunately, RIM’s fate may have already been sealed. If this new phone and software combination are not truly world-class, they’re done!
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:24 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
so pretty much open source their OS? I think they should just go out. We dont really need a fourth or 5th OS. Android and iOS are the top dogs. WP7 is catching up. Web OS is still deciding if they want to hang out with the “cool kids” RIM is the typical douchebag prep that no one likes.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
oops not you that comment was for someone else
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, their back-end software is too valuable to be open sourced. Because of the security and overall dependability of the software, it would be acquired by one of the “big 3” mobile os vendors to strengthen their enterprise software and business. It would be more valuable to Microsoft to acquire RIM if only to erase a main competitor.
Google would also be interested in acquiring RIM to strengthen their enterprise business and would give another possible revenue stream for Motorola.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think they may have a problem see someone rooted qnx already so the question of its security is at hand. They know their current OS is enterprise safe, but they are not sure if the new one is.. So it is no way for them to release these awesome phones until security is assured. Because that is their knack
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think they may have a problem see someone rooted qnx already so the question of its security is at hand. They know their current OS is enterprise safe, but they are not sure if the new one is.. So it is no way for them to release these awesome phones until security is assured. Because that is their knack
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Have you looked at a balance sheet before? I keep seeing this comment about how RIM should ditch their HW and have to think – can these people read or what? RIM gets consistently 70% or more of their revenue from HW sales – they are a HW company. They brought in 1B in revenue from ‘software and services’ for the first time last quarter, and that was 25% of their revenue. They have an ecosystem that works – their infrastructure supports their OS, which runs on their HW, together it is an enticing product and drives sales. Replace one of these (eg: Android for OS) and you now have looser integration and a less compelling story. They sink or swim together, no doubt about it.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 10:29 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think their balance sheet reflects the fact that some Blackberry devices are sold at $230 on contract. I’ll be the first to tell you that Blackberry’s always felt great in the hand and are built very sturdy, but they are not running the hardware to command those prices, especially considering the volume of corporate sales and the overall state of the hardware inside the phones.
My point: RIM does not run the best of the current generation of hardware. Their balance sheet reflects huge profit margins in hardware sales because their contract prices are highly inflated. RIM will not be able to sustain these high hardware prices for long. Once sales start to trend downward significantly and more drastically & consistently, the benefit of the hardware revenue numbers will cease and RIM will be dead.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 11:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If I were a RIM employee, I would be updating my resume and seriously considering relocating to Northern California or Washington because RIM is either going to fail or be acquired for their patents and software.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:28 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
if I were a RIM employee I would walk out now. (or three years ago)
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:31 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
If I were a RIM employee I’d be happy I had a job in the current economic climate.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:37 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
of course therte are jobs out there. You can’t be picky my friend. Plus if you were smart you would have a nothe rjob lined uop.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
besides rim is in cananda, not the US, so nice try ;)
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree, but if they wait to long to jump ship, their co-workers will take the few jobs that will become available when, if, RIM goes under.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
If I were a skilled employee at RIM – I wouldn’t need to be happy about having a job in the current economic state because dev jobs are still booming like a mother if you know what you’re doing.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 1:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If I were a RIM employee I would be striving to change things from the inside!!!
Okay, maybe not… I’d be chillin, messaging around on my BBM, knowing that no one could possibly sink us because we are just that awesome. I would ignore those middle of the night sweats and keep taking my prozac… Everything is fine… Everything is fine…
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 11:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
With this news, RIM should make a deal with the major carriers so that their phones are either free on contract or cost no more than $99 on new contracts. RIM has to move their business to the low-end of the market, for both enterprise and consumer, to maintain sales against Android and iOS.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 9:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Most of yinz are stating the obvious and ignoring the fundamentals. We all know RIM will never again make a competitive smartphone.
They do have an incredibly large patent moat. If MOT is worth 13 billion-ish, and was it Nortel’s patents worth a few billion, RIM is actually poised to sell them selves for a shit ton of cash.
If Apple were to buy RIM, good luck to any competitor wishing to do push email/notifications, or who wishes to attach a decent physical keyboard to a smartphone, or who wants to do secure email.
RIM has one big moment left, and that’s when it will go supernova. Wait for it.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 10:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
there are plenty of keyboard phones out there. most e-mail clients do push now and e-mail use is less and less
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 11:30 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Typing this message from my blackber……………………………………………………………..
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 10:55 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah, they’re done.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 11:02 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
RIM, please, please survive till then, as Blackberry OS 10 looks awesome.
I am glad, though, that they’re spending so much time perfecting it. They didn’t try with the Playbook, but maybe they’ll do better here.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 11:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
someone needs a burning platform memo …
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 12:04 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Releasing that late, BB10 will need to be ridiculously innovative if RIM wants any chance at success.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 12:30 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yo, BB, open-source that shit already!
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 2:01 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I bet it’s full of holes big enough to drive a semi through.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 11:32 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Good thing nobody writes 3P software for it…
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 5:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“This chipset will not be available until mid-2012”
What? They can’t find a highly integrated LTE, dual core chipset on the market at the moment? Is it the integrated LTE radio that is slowing things down? While that seems like BS anyhow, even if it were true it’s not a good reason to hold off on using some other dual core chip in the meantime. Only a few (admittedly important) markets have LTE, meaning that RIM is holding off putting out a device until it supports a technology that is not even supported in more than half the smartphone-buying world anyhow. Why not put out a solid 3g (or HSPA+) dual-core handset with BB10, let it sell reasonably well in Europe and on the non-LTE US carriers until late 2012? Is RIM saying they can’t find any dual-core chipset to put in their devices right now? That’s ludicrous, and RIM’s management should be replaced for even suggesting such a lame excuse.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 3:30 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I have a Blackberry phone(which I will be getting rid of sometime next week). When I first bought my first BBerry 2 years ago I loved it, now it sucks. I will be so happy to switch to Android. Sorry Blackberry but you going down fast and I don’t think you can be saved.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 4:18 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I have some respect for the way RIM is approaching this. When they released the Playbook, they released a half-assed product that was rushed to market. They got burned by it. So if they think that they need to be patient in order to release the right product, then that’s fine by me.
I’m still skeptical that there will be a compelling product at the end of this, mind you.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 4:43 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They said something like this last time. They always seem to be waiting for chips to be released and that delays their products. I think they still think its 2005 where you can release a product whenever you like. Nowadays, when you fail to release something your allowing your competitor to lock in your customer even deeper in to their eco-system.
Every month you delay your losing millions of future customers who will be even harder to turn around to buying your product because they will have 100 apps that they like on their phones. Microsoft are dealing with exactly the same issues. The modern market is all about lock in, its not fluid where there wasnt much difference between Nokia, Sony Ericcson and Motorla… Now the difference is the same as Mac vs PC.
My mantra, is release first, ask questions later! You need something in the market now that makes the customer ask the question, should I get yours or should I get theirs? If you dont have product out of some sort how can the customer ask that question? Bill Gates is the master of that cock-block manoeuvre!
I think RIM like to buy chips in such large quantities and reuse the same processor in every device for like 5yrs! They are being penny pinching, looking for the best deal whilst the market disappears in front of them..
Sad..
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 6:44 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
BB, I never had the pleasure, but it was nice knowing you #theend
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 7:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I never owned a RIM product nor will I. If RIM was to license WebOS they might have one last chance but it looks like it’s over. In my mind it’s been over for 2 years now
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 7:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Rim has enough of a core user base that they aren’t going anywhere……that isn’t to say that they might have to cut half their work force to stay afloat or possible be taken over hostilely. It’s funny because just in the last election cycle they had such momentum going that even the would be president relied heavily on their services. It is amazing how quickly things move.
I agree with those who are saying that RIM is losing customers every time have an a delay, however I do think it is time that the y take the extra time to work out all the bugs before they throw another product into the wild ie….playbook. While I totally agree that folks are becoming more entrenched in their respective eco system, I don’t think it is impossible for another non-android/iphone company to come out and hit a home run. I mean look at the Kindle Fire, Amazon did not have it’s own branded Android tablet until what 4-5 weeks ago. Sure they pushed out with their own app-store 3-4 monthes ago but nevertheless they were a non-player in the android tablet field but now they own it.
So my two points are this….
1. RIM worst case scenario has a secure future selling to a small number of companies that want their end to end security. (I know alot of companies are adopting a bring your own devices but there will always be(next 10-15 years) companies that are slow to switch, Not to mention RIM is still grown in certain markets.
2. It is possible and very likely that in the next 5 years that someone besides Apple or Google or Windows will do something great in the mobile space. Now don’t get me wrong I would be surprised if it was RIM but I do think someone will and it could be RIM.
Someone in the comments above mentioned how Michael Dell declared Apple dead in the late 90’s. Then someone said well that was Apple…..you need to keep in mind that leaving in 2011 and thinking about apple is totally different then living in 1998 and thinking about Apple. I realize RIM doesn’t have someone very creative from it’s past coming back to the helm…bringing someone from the outside always has advantages to thinking outside of the box. I would say that in order for RIM to have a snowball’s chance in hell it needs to have something change at the top but again that is possible.
Let the hater’s hate and let the fan boy’s fan.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 9:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And they will sink further and further down behind their competition. I use to love BB, but they just can’t keep up with the times.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 9:56 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The real problem here is leadership. there has not been any for at least 8 years. The board has to replace Laurel and Hardy (and all their yes men). There is no other way for RIM to survive. It wont be the first time the fouinders of a compnay have had ot leave. In fact it is a natural progression for a lot of large companies.
RIM has delayed it far far too long.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 11:46 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So how long until Lazaridis makes his version of the ‘burning platform’ speech?
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 11:56 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s like RIM is trying to win the Stupidest Company of the Year Award.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
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