It's the question we all dread.
Maybe you're your family's designated tech expert, maybe you're a writer who deals almost exclusively with mobile technology, maybe you're the CEO of a national wireless carrier. Whoever you are, if you've got a reputation as a "phone guy," the question is eventually going to come up in conversation with a friend, a coworker, or a cousin. Personally, I find that I get it maybe once a week — usually interjected at some odd, tangential moment in an otherwise technology-free conversation. A sneak attack, if you will.
And though it's seemingly innocuous enough, it's nearly impossible to answer.
First off, what are you really asking me? Do you want to know what my favorite phone is? (Because that changes every week or two.) Do you want to know what phone has the "best" specifications? (Come to think of it, that also changes every week or two.) Probably not; in all likelihood, you're asking me what phone is right for you, which is a very subjective matter, indeed. Even if I knew you as well as I know myself — and for the overwhelming majority of people who ask me that question, I don't — there are still countless variables we need to consider. And then we need to hash that with an endless array of phones offered by as many as six or seven carriers, depending on where you live.
Now, if you're my mom, this is the part where I'd say, "well, what do you want to be able to do with it?" Twenty or thirty minutes later, we'd rough out a list of maybe two or three phones, then we'd go into carrier stores and have her try out devices while I fight off pushy reps with smooth conversation (or, failing that, fists). But when I'm having a casual conversation with a casual acquaintance, that's often not a practical solution for either one of us. So out of sheer laziness, what's my stock response?
"You know, honestly, just buy an iPhone."
And mind you, I'm not proud of saying that. I'm not trying to push Apple products, and I don't currently own an iPhone myself. Rather, it's a very selfish piece of advice: you see, by suggesting a phone to someone, you become, on some level, "on the hook" for that individual's post-purchase satisfaction. You're going to hear the good and the bad. You're going to get the late-night emails and instant messages asking what to do when Angry Birds freezes. And maybe — just maybe — this person is going to like you a little bit less if you recommend a phone they don't like.
By recommending an iPhone, I cover the broadest swath. I cover my butt. I know I'm not going to hear a complaint that you can't find Skype or "that Infinity Sword or whatever it's called that everyone is talking about." I also minimize the chance that you're going to be flustered by misbehaving apps. And, for many of my iTunes-using friends, it means I don't need to help you set up DoubleTwist. It's simply my path of least resistance to ensuring my advice seeker an acceptable smartphone experience with minimal ongoing technical support from me. (Of course, I might hear a complaint that they've shattered the back when they "only dropped it a few inches," but that's their problem, not mine.)
That's not to say I don't love Android... I do. The Galaxy Nexus is the best smartphone I've ever used (which is why it's in my pocket as I write this). But anyone who's used Android at length knows that it requires more care and feeding to make it great than iOS does. Spec-for-spec, Android's raw potential is greater — but it takes more elbow grease to get it there. It's no different from desktop operating systems for the past thirty-plus years. Different strokes for different folks.
That's also not to say I don't love Windows Phone. Frankly, Mango is amazing. But even my tech-oblivious friends are starting to ask what LTE is all about and whether they need it (thanks in no small part to aggressive marketing from Verizon and AT&T). And like I said, the problems start to snowball once they've got the phone set up and I'm getting hit with "where is such-and-such app?" every few hours.
Coincidentally, that's why The Verge will never simply say "just buy this phone." It's not that simple, it never is. We can recommend you great phones by platform, by carrier, or even by specific need. But there'll never be a one-size-fits-all answer. In fact, more often than not, the phone that's right for you probably isn't the phone that's right for me.
Seriously, though: just buy an iPhone. It was nice talking to you. Catch you at the family reunion next year?

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Seriously, though: just buy a Windows Phone.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:02 PM EST reply Recommend (77) Flag actions
I really want to be able to recommend WP to friends, but lack of multiple Google Calendar support remains a dealbreaker for a lot of them. It’s a shame, because otherwise it’s really great. But there are still loose ends that Microsoft needs to clear up. They need to understand that it needs to support as many ecosystems as possible – if I’m invested in Google online, they need to support that fully – because if they don’t or can’t, I can’t buy their phone.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:34 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Who needs the G-spyware?
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:50 PM EST reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
Someone who does not care for Microsoft’s and Apple’s?
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend (27) Flag actions
I think informed people would rather have Google spying on them than have Apple and Microsoft dictating what they can and cannot do.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:42 PM EST reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
That is so wrong in both ways.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 4:06 PM EST reply Recommend (24) Flag actions
Let him learn THE HARD WAY, ahahaha.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 4:52 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
but its the truth
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 8:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
For exactly the same reasons this article exists (as in, ‘it depends on what your priorities are’), this is not ‘the truth’. Informed people have an opinion – as in, ’it’s more important to me to protect my personal data from Google than it is to have the relative freedom of their OS’ is not a universally applicable statement. I’m informed, as are most people here – but my priorities are not the same as yours, clearly.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 7:11 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Don’t forget your tin foil hat, big G is watching you lol.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You don’t think they are? All these companies are, Nokia included.
You think these services are free just because they can give ads to you?
It’s more than that.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 8:37 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
not Nokia??! Nooooooo….
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:27 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wouldn’t.
Microsoft and Apple don’t make their profits from what users do. They make their profits simply by selling products, and sometimes services.
Google’s main revenue stream is made from what you are and what data you bring to them. They have a much bigger interest in getting your information than Apple or Microsoft do.
That isn’t to say I don’t generally trust Google, I love their products, just if I had to choose in regards to who i’d think would most likely be using my data in ways I would be uncomfortable with, it would be Google over Apple and Microsoft.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 8:17 PM EST reply Recommend (26) Flag actions
The thing is Google and Apple are both very forthcoming about what they intend to use your data for ( I am not ruling out microsoft but I just haven’t heard of any stories regarding their data collection). This is part of my reason for not caring too much about them harvesting data. Google is gonna sell your data to make ads more effective and improve its services. Apple will do the same. But other than that what do you honestly expect them to be using it for?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 2:17 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Worldwide conspiracies!
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:44 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Erm, where do Apple say that they will mine your data to sell to advertisers? One of the many reasons that iAd has failed is that they don’t provide advertisers with the level of analytics that they would like.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:53 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Just because they are bad at it doesn’t mean they don’t do it. I think there are other reasons iAD isn’t taking the world by storm and I wouldn’t call it a failure.
Take genius for example. Apple is mining which apps I like to advertise other apps that I should buy. Same goes for songs. They are all guilty of it trust me. But the question is do you care? You would want to have an awfully inflated opinion of yourself to care that a server knows some information about you.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:12 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Comparing the data mining of Google to Apple is pointless. Google is way up there, they’re one of the best at it. They should be, that’s how they make their money.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Something like 99% of Google’s income comes from advertising. Everything they do has to be seen in that light. (It’s not necessarily a bad thing. Some people really like targeted ads and find them useful. Google is not providing you with all of these services out of the goodness of their hearts, however.)
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:15 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Genius is a pretty poor example, considering a) it’s an optional service that you turn on (presumably because you want it) and b) Apple has to look at your data to provide that service. Actually, if that’s the best you can come up with, I’d say you have demonstrated that Apples use of your data is nothing like that of Google.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:06 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Did you ever read Apples Terms of Service, if u would you wouldnt say such a thing…Both companies gather a LOT of data…and of course use it…the thing is that google at least provides some information of what they already got from you…
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 8:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Of course I have. Have you? Did you read the part where the information collected for Genius is anonymized and can’t be used to identify you?
To put it another way, do you have any real facts to offer, or are you just shoveling FUD?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:04 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I agree I really feel like Google does a great job with the information they get. One Example is Google Maps. I can always depend the traffic layer to give good information. +1 for Google.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 2:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I do have one example for MS, but I can’t remember where I read it. If you use Bing to search for Australia it is more likely to return the country if previous searches are travel related, and the movie if previous searches are movie/entertainment related. Just one example.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Please keep in mind that “using your data to serve ads” is not the same as “giving your data to advertisers”. In the first case, the company serving the ads has the data and the advertisers don’t get to see it at all. It just controls where/how their ads get placed.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 7:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Except Google doesn’t sell your data.
They sell ad space, they collect your data and match ads with data.
External companies don’t see your data, is it that hard to get?
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 1:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Microsoft and Apple don’t make their profits from what users do.”
Not really true… Apple makes huge profits from the app store and iTunes music/movies/books.
Having your iOS device with iCloud is a pretty strong lock-in for those services.
Too early to tell what MS is planning but right now it seems that they don’t have any comparable lock in.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 7:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But none of that relies on knowing information about you in the same way Google’s main revenue stream does, advertising.
iTunes and the App Store is pretty simple, the revenue stream from that is just you buying products, it doesn’t need anymore knowledge about you than your previous purchases to give you recommendations.
iCloud is also a service funded by the profits of selling physical and digital products. They’re not free services that depend on knowing about you, so that they can tailor advertisements to you, to provide other people with a better way to show you advertisements.
It isn’t the same. I’m not saying Apple or Microsoft don’t have data about you, I’m saying they don’t need to use the data in the same way Google does, as that isn’t their main revenue stream, iAds is a tiny fraction of Apple’s, if it provides profit at all.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:43 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I own an android phone and have yet to get any spyware
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 8:49 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I’m pretty sure that’s not what was meant – the poster was likely referring to Google collecting data on users, whether you know it or not. Not the actual presence of spyware.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:34 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Right or wrong……if you root your device and you are running a AOSP rom, the chances of your information being sifted and used in some egregious way is lessened? (keyword….“lessened” )
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 8:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re not holding it right.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:02 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Stop being funny here please; there are people trying to look smart and score points.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve had to steer a couple of friends away from WP7 for this same reason. It’s amazing how such a little thing can disqualify an otherwise solid operating system.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
As of Mango (if not earlier), WP does support multiple Google calendars. I know Paul Thurrott did a write-up about out it, if you are wondering how to set it up.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:04 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Sync Multiple Google Calendars with Windows Phone
http://wonderreader.tumblr.com/post/7360213627/multiple-google-calendars-windows-phone
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:14 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Yeah. It’s basically the exact same steps that you used to have to do on an iPod/iPhone. (Maybe you still have to do them; it’s been a while since I’ve done a fresh setup of iOS.)
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I can’t remember whether it was iOS 4 or 3, but since then the built-in Gmail setup in iOS also setup CalDAV syncing for all google calendars associated with that account. It’s now a 1-step process.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:45 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I don’t think the Gmail set up sets up your gmail account as exchange account, you have to do that manually, which iirc, you need to do if you want push services from gmail.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 8:18 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
you do. You have to select exchange instead of gmail to get other non-email items sync’d to iOS devices. That’s what i had to do with my iPad and iPhones
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah it’s kind of a stupid argument. The main draw of android is its tight integration with G services. Why would the big G let Microsoft have such tight integration even if they wanted to. I don’t think it’s Microsoft saying we don’t support gmail and such, it’s google keeping a key asset of their OS to themselves. You will get basic integration but not like on a google phone and I think that’s kind of a durrr moment don’t you?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Because their business model isn’t based on android OS rather service usage. Also their APIs are very open. It shouldn’t take too much effort to get the service working on WP
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just another way MS is ahead of Apple and Google – they were being sued for antitrust in the 90s … for installing a browser in their OS. You could still install other browsers though. And for (maybe) changing the OS to improve features in their own browser. That sounds like the very definition of “tight integration”. The outcome of the case was MS was told they had to share their APIs.
Or this one – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_competition_case – the outcome of which was they were told to make a version of Windows without Windows Media Player.
These days – 15 years later – the whole thing just seems so lame, to me at least.
Think of Apple though – Apple will remove an app that is a competing product from the Apple Store, and every app needs to be approved and can only be installed through approval by Apple. They could very well not approve the Office iOS apps, although it would be a PR disaster for them I suppose.
I don’t know if this is true – http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/01/apple-bans-cloud-music-apps/ – Apple removing apps that use Amazon’s Cloud Drive for music – but if they are doing that to me it seems worse than anything MS got sued for in the 90s.
Interesting also to see the recent news of antitrust probes regarding the apple bookstore and collusion with publishers to raise prices – see http://techland.time.com/2011/12/06/eu-in-antitrust-probe-of-apple-e-book-publishers/
I suppose the tech landscape has changed in 15-20 years!
Sorry for rambling and getting a bit off topic; my mind just went wandering when you said “why would the big G let Microsoft have such tight integration even if they wanted to.” The answer is if the US Govt. tells them they have to!
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Microsoft was sued for abusing their monopoly position. Apple does not have a monopoly on apps, as everyone here is happy to point out.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But you could always use Apple or even Linux. They became a monopoly (arguably) from pushing Windows onto OEMs, but I think these days that would be looked on as an astute business decision. Do you really think Apple can get to the size they are (and make the profit they make) without making some pretty hard bargains with their suppliers, and totally optimising their supply chains.
Apple tried to do the same thing – licence their OS to other manufacturers – but eventually decided against it, so their OS is tied to their hardware sales.
Somewhere along the line people just decided to hate MS and I can’t quite work out when or why that happened.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 7:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Many folks started to hate Microsoft back in the early 90’s when they stabbed IBM in the back with OS/2. Microsoft would tweak Windows apps periodically – ensuring that they would not run under OS/2’s pretty awesome emulation. IBM eventually gave up trying, and we lost one of most promising desktop OSs and years of progress as a result (we got Windows 95 instead).
Then there was ‘embrace, extend, extinguish’, where they would appear to adopt open standards and then make the Windows versions just slightly incompatible – Windows developers expecting to be able to port or interoperate with non-Windows platforms were in for a nasty surprise.
By the time government got involved with the browser wars, lots of people already disliked Microsoft. The browser business just pushed the ugliness into the light.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 7:34 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Am i missing something here ? I’ve got my Google Calendar synced perfectly with my Lumia 800.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:09 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Yep, same here. I have probably seven or eight Google Cals set up perfectly on my HTC Trophy.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 7:50 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
You are absolutely right mmaestro. I like the experience that WP gives but I use google for a lot of things. WP would definitely be my second choice since I am not interested in the Apple ecosystem.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
not true, you can get multiple calendars to work just fine
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:00 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
It’s actually very well implemented. I have five different Google calendars each with their own color coding.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Turns out lack of multiple Google calendar support is Google’s fault. How to enable multiple calendars: http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/how-to-sync-multiple-google-calendars-in-wp7-mango-beta
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:24 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I would like some Skype on my omnia 7… compaired to android and even iOS (which ive owned) push is horrendous! on the upside the battery now lasts me almost 3 days.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:35 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There’s a simple little hack to activate multiple calendars… Once again it’s Google that is blocking it, they’re really not being cool with Microsoft, the more I use my WP7, the less I like Google’s attitude, and that’s saying a lot coming from someone wh can be called a Google FanBoy !
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:34 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I like google as much as the next guy, but they are a corporation just like the other guys. They’re going to try to lock in customers, the same way Microsoft and Apple do. I love to see viable competition from all of these guys in all spaces.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:44 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
As others have said, Microsoft has attempted to be completely accessible on this. Google is the one that forces me to pretend my windows phone is an iOS device. That said, I ended up just exporting my calendars from google and importing to windows live. It took all of 5 minutes. I actually was worried about the calendar issue, but in the end I have to say I do not think it’s an issue (At least not for anyone who is not afraid of doing 1 or 2 setup steps).
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:41 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
FYI, Google is the reason behind the lack of multiple Google calendars. There are work around to get it working. Windows Phone Mango supports it 100%. Its just that Google limits it to one.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:00 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Someone with your level of integration might not be asking the question from this article.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:26 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m sure you and the 10 people that are asking for multiple google calendar support in windows phone will get it eventually.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 2:05 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well, that’s because of Google. Not because of Microsoft.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 3:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My combination of Hotmail, Gmail calendars work just fine. Most of my friends don’t even think about calendar support when buying a phone
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
99.99% of people I know who would ask me this question don’t even know that Google has calendars.
Despite being branded “Windows” (not really a “quality” label), WP is a seriously fine mobile OS, good enough to stand up against the two other giants.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I recently had to deal with the situation that I needed one of my shared Google calendars on my Windows Phone. I looked through the whole interwebz how i could get this thing to be displayed, until i finally found this nice-working workaround: http://wonderreader.tumblr.com/post/7360213627/multiple-google-calendars-windows-phone
Greeting from good ol’ Germany,
Julian
Posted on Dec 21, 2011 | 5:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s what I tell all my friends and family. So far I have 6 now rocking a Windows Phone and many more switching to, once their contracts up. They all LOVE it! Well that is except my brother that bought the Arrive on Sprint. It’s the only Windows Phone they have and he hates slide out keyboards, but his son loves his Arrive.
Hopefully each carrier gets a few more choices then just one phone… Looking at you Verizon and Sprint.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:57 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
You said it! I’m on Sprint, and I’d gladly get an Windows Phone, but the Arrive is kind of a piece of crap. The slide-out/tilt-up design makes it thick and rickety, and the screen (which was very mid-level a year ago) is awful by modern standards.
A Focus S (or even a Focus Flash), or a Lumia 800 on Sprint would probably be good enough for me to dump my EVO 3D.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, same here. I have a feeling a lot of people will be getting it as their contracts expire. Windows Phone has been out for a year, and at&t contracts can only upgrade after 18 months. So for the casual buyers, they haven’t had a chance to get it yet. Many of my friends want to get it as well
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
if more then 1% of the marketshare uses it.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 8:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Seriously, though: just buy a Windows Phone.”
That is the funniest thing I’ve read all day. I laughed so hard I’m crying now. Really, stop it. I can’t breathe. Go spend some time in a carrier store. People don’t even look at the Windows phones.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 8:43 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think his point was they should be.
Not something I agree with because personally I don’t like WP7 but that’s his point.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:17 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
My next phone will be a Windows Phone. Your point is?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:50 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Try recommending a Windows Phone to anyone who’s ever used a WindowsPC and already had an issue with it.
No matter how good is Windows Phone, the Windows brand is one of its biggest issue to prevent wide adoption.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:15 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
95% of the world has no issues with Windows, so I guess you’re talking about windowlickers
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:40 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
just because windows is on most of the world’s computers doesn’t mean people don’t have problems with windows.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 7:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
and 94% are too scared/lazy to try out another OS ecosystem so what’s your point?
I own an Android device and plan on buying another next year but for the average person aka. Your Mother/Aunt/Grandpa it’s stupid not to default to an iphone because nearly 100% of all popular apps/games are on that platform plus I never have to explain to them “You have to pull the battery out”. Android users you know what I"m talking about.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 7:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
These snozberries taste like snozberries.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 11:11 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Dammit, now I’m going to be trying to figure out an Oompa Loompa song for windows.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 3:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Totally. You should buy a Windows phone – especially if you want one with zero apps.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:33 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
That’s old. However, Android’s lag isn’t. (And I own a Nexus S with ICS, and yes the lag has decreased. But it’s still laggy compared to WP and iOS which my family all have.)
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:31 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Galaxy Nexus says hi.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 1:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
aw, what a horrible school you must have attended, 50.000 =/= 0
it’s ok, we can’t all be math geniuses can we
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Bah – get your socialist european use of ‘.’ off the verge! This here is a ’murcan site so you have to write 50,000
50.000 is not a great number of apps in English speaking nations.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 6:57 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
lol…please tell me you joke…in my life entire 32 years, I saw only 3 people who use WP.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:07 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
how do you like your basement so far?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:42 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I haven’t seen anyone with a windows phone yet.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:23 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Ditto. I’ve never seen a person using a Windows phone. I’m sure they exist but I haven’t seen them.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 8:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Out of those 32 years Windows Phone has been out for one. I really don’t see your point dude.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 2:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is a great post! I do the same thing, big android fan but usually tell non-tech people to buy an iPhone. Unless they are on T-Mobile because I don’t want them switching!
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:04 PM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
Same for me.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:48 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Exactly right. If someone is coming to me for advice, then they certainly aren’t geeky enough for Android. The ones who already own iPods, I tell them to just get an iPhone. The ones who don’t want anything to do with Apple and/or iTunes, I tell them to get a Windows Phone. Apps aren’t really a concern, because Windows Phone certainly has most if not all of the apps a normal, non-phone-geek could want.
If you’re tech-savvy enough to not need advice from other people, then you should know whether an Android phone is the right choice for you.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:15 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Yeah, it’s the easiest way to go about it. Nothing is more annoying than someone asking me to make their phone “cool” cause I’m the “Droid wizard”. << seriously, that has happened more than once.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:59 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Same here
I just ask if they customise their phones, if they don’t get an iphone.
I haven’t tried a windows phone 7 yet
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 8:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Today I learned people only get phones to customize them.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:53 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Today I learned that budgets play no part in phone decision-making.
The recommendations here are insanity.
(I’m from the ghetto).
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 8:43 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah, I’m also an Android fan, but if someone who is not comfortable with technology asks “What phone should I buy?” I’d also recommend the iPhone.
On the other hand, if someone is technical, but hasn’t been following phone blogs as obsessively as I have, my next question would be, “Do you want a physical keyboard?”
If the answer is yes, I say, “Wait for the Droid 4,” which is what I’m doing.
If the answer is no, I say, “Get the Galaxy Nexus.”
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 2:23 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s the same way for PCs. I’m a gamer with a high-end PC (i7-2600k, GTX 570, SSDs, etc.) that I built myself, but if a non-technical, non-gamer were to ask what computer to get, I’d recommend a Mac.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 2:29 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Why would you recommend a Mac, the iPhone thing I get, I’d never do it myself, but the simplicity of the OS coupled with the lack of additional choice means you save yourself a massive head-ache, But Macs have the same variety of specs and models as any other manufacturer and are no easier to use, they just cost 20% more and come with a really bad version of office. When confronted with this question on laptops, given that any modern machine will happily handle an average users requirements I just tell them to buy something that looks nice.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 5:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If you know what you’re doing, you can get a much more powerful Windows PC for the money than you could with a Mac, but if you don’t know what you’re doing you can get a system that won’t provide a good user experience. There are a lot of things that are obvious to the tech-savvy that not so obvious for the non-technical.
For example:
- It’s “obvious” that you don’t want to run Vista on a netbook.
- It’s “obvious” that 1GB of RAM is not enough.
- It’s “obvious” that if you want to play any 3D games, you need a discrete GPU (with the possible exception of simple games with a Sandy Bridge CPU).
- It’s “obvious” that you should uninstall the Dell bloatware that keeps nagging you to buy a subscription to “Dell Backups R Us” or whatever.
Except that none of this is obvious to the non-technical user. If you tell them this, they hear “blah blah blah Ginger blah blah blah.”
The advantage of a Mac — for a non-technical, non-gamer — is that it’s almost impossible to buy a system that will give you a really bad user experience.
Personally, I love having the ability to choose exactly which components I want in a PC, but that sort of choice can be intimidating for people who aren’t comfortable with technology.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 8:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Pretty sure Chris told me to buy a BlackBerry Torch last week…
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:04 PM EST reply Recommend (58) Flag actions
Revenge.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:05 PM EST reply Recommend (40) Flag actions
Revengeance.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:25 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
+1, jaycarozzi
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 1:33 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Reverge? :o
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 3:37 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
No.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:53 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Christ must be losing his mind. Poor chap.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:06 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Christ? >.<
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 3:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I meant Chris :D
Posted on Dec 20, 2011 | 7:47 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No comment editing :(
Posted on Dec 20, 2011 | 7:47 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, someone has to test those things.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:34 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
I’m guessing Chris was trying to Stern-burn /you/ with that recommendation.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 5:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I get asked this question often at work and I always have to ask what they want to do with their phone. I’m dreading attempting to answer this question for my sister when she visits for Christmas.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Brilliant piece, Chris. My favorite of yours to date.
Now I know exactly what I am going to do the next time a friend or family member asks me what phone to buy: send them a link to this post.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:09 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
You’re lame to recommend an iphone to everyone.. You should recommend a Galaxy Nexus, you can’t go wrong with stock android, Nexus S for cheaper phone is still a good choice. I’d only recommend an iphone only for someone who doesn’t know a lot about tech like your parents and will not use the phone for a lot of apps, video, web… Then, a giant screen and widgets and all the possibilities of Android will be useless and confusing. Nexus = someone who know a little about tech and will use his phone for medis, apps. Iphone = if you don’t use your screen.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Sorry, this is absurd.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:19 PM EST reply Recommend (40) Flag actions
“If you spend you time looking at the home screen and don’t actually use some apps”
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:59 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
You sure got him, calling him lame. Good one
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:21 PM EST reply Recommend (17) Flag actions
Wait who has the highest res screen again? Ah yes
I love android but your post reeks of MG. Both are good options and it comes down to preference. Personally I prefer android but I can see how iOS would appeal to people. You should too.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:26 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
I find it hilarious that calling people MG and Gruber is an insult now
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:30 PM EST reply Recommend (17) Flag actions
It’s not, but nice try. I personally consider it a compliment (well, Gruber at least. Just started paying more attention to MG after his last two good Nexus related articles).
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:32 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
On this site it is. I have seen quite a few people calling other peoples comments MG or Gruber-ish. And they didn’t mean it in a good way.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Once again, sounds like a compliment to me.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:39 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
MG and Gruber are trolls. There is being a fanboy and then there is being a troll. To me being a fanboy is really liking a product and being loyal to it and you will never go out and attack other people for having different opinions. MGs and Grubers of this world impose their fanboyisms on other people and criticise other people opinions because their opinions are right and nobody who has a different opinion could possibly be right.
Plus their names work so well for insults.
So! Keep your mind open to differing opinions and don’t be a Gruber!
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:43 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Please post proof that they are trolls (ie, those who don’t care about facts and exist only to start arguments). Which shouldn’t be hard to find since they both have openly accessible websites. I’ll wait.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:45 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I don’t agree that they are trolls but I don’t feel (I am only familiar with Gruber) they are objective. How one can trust the review of a person who primarily uses products from one company and writes primarily about one company I will never understand. When people like that review products that are out of their scope and make some of the comments they made it makes me cringe.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:53 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Gruber is objective. He doesn’t lie about facts to make his point. That is the definition of objective.
Objective doesn’t mean he can’t have his own personal opinion on whether or not a product is good or bad.
And he is an Apple blogger. Which shouldn’t matter. What does matter is whether or not he is lying.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:58 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
And by that I mean, opinions should be backed up with facts.
1. Calling Gruber a troll without facts is not objective.
2. Not believing the Nexus is as good as the iPhone based on your own personal experience is objective, as long as you don’t muddle the facts.
As said, being objective doesn’t mean you can’t have an opinion on whether or not something is good or bad. It simply means you have to be honest in reporting that opinion.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:01 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Perhaps you should look up some facts yourself dude. I’m just saying….
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objective
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I should have lifted the line I wanted out of there sorry. Here it is.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:07 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Yes, that’s the definition of objective. What it means is that your personal feelings, interpretations, and prejudice do not misrepresent the facts.
If we were to go by what you seem to think objective means, a juror couldn’t consider the accused to be guilty or innocent. Luckily objective doesn’t mean that. It simply means the juror will decide based on the facts they come across.
And yes, I am saying that personal experience is factual in nature.
Example-
The sky is blue because that’s the color I see when I look at the sky.
That is each personal experience and a fact and an objective observation.
In addition to that, this also means that two objective people can come to the opposite conclusion.
It is Josh’s objective belief that the Nexus S is the best smartphone ever.
It is Gruber’s objective belieft that the iPhone 4s is the best smartphone ever.
But this of course does not mean that every opinion is objective. Like I said, you have to be honest in reporting that opinion.
If you said that Android was better because your apps never crashed, that could be objective. But if it’s shown that you experience apps crashing all the time, then obviously your opinion is not objective.
Hope that’s not too hard to wrap your head around. :)
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:20 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I think the problem is that you conflate ‘objective’ and ‘honest’. The two things have nothing to do with each other. Some people can’t be objective because their feelings about the subject interfere with their ability to evaluate. That doesn’t mean they are dishonest.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:25 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
That’s exactly what it means if your feelings blur what you say about a product.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m sorry, you and I grew up with different versions of the English language. That is simply not what dishonest means. At all.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 4:37 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
If my GF asks me if I think she’s fat, and because of my feelings for her I blur the truth, I am being dishonest.
What is so hard about that to understand?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If your girlfriend asks if you think she looks fat and you have a higher threshold for what you consider fat than I you can honestly call her not fat but objectively you should figure up her Fat% of her body and decide from there using the BMI scale. Not giving this as an exact analogy but you see the difference between honest and objective?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 2:38 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
This idea only works if I have a higher threshold. I don’t.
The BMI scale is ridiculous. But that’s another argument. What if I blur the results of the BMI scale?
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
objective and honest is so NOT the same thing…
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:17 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You can’t have objectivity without honesty.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Look, if your feelings for your girlfriend prevent you from realizing that she’s fat, then you’re not being objective. If you then tell her she’s not fat, you’re not being dishonest because you really don’t think she is.
If, on the other hand you really do think she’s fat but you tell her she isn’t, then you are being dishonest. But this has absolutely nothing to do with being objective.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
What if I realize she’s fat and I lie to her? Stop trying to change what I said.
Once again, what if I think she is? I never said I didn’t think she is, just that I wouldn’t want to tell her.
So I’m objective if I tell her she isn’t fat, even though I think she is, but I don’t tell her the truth because she’s my GF?
Tell me, who’s the one who doesn’t know what objective means right now?
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But you can have honesty without objectivity which is what everyone has been trying to say, if someone, ( and I’m not saying you because you’ve clearly stated that your girlfriend is a hippo ) were to believe that the person they loved was fat, even if they were a size 18, and had trouble walking up the stairs and said so that would be honest. However to an objective outsider it would also be untrue. The objectivity of a journalistic piece comes from the conclusions it draws, not the facts it references, so where in response to Josh Topolsky’s Nexus review you get a response of I’ve heard this before and “when the excitement wears off it turns out the whole thing is still a jumbled mess and second-rate (at best) experience and we’re really supposed to wait for next year’s Android.” This is not an objective opinion based on the piece, but a speculative view based on previous bias.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 11:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re the one changing what people said.
Objective means what you think isn’t influenced by your feelings. Not what you say. What you think.
Haven’t you noticed that nobody agrees with your definition of objective? Isn’t that a clue for you?
I’m really sorry that we grew up with English teachers and dictionaries, while you had only cave paintings and a dog-eared copy of See Spot Run. Really, I feel terrible.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 6:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“So I’m objective if I tell her she isn’t fat, even though I think she is, but I don’t tell her the truth because she’s my GF?”
No, no part of this has anything to do with being objective.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 7:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah dude I don’t think your interpretation of the definition of objective is objective.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:21 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Proof or go home.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Let’s put it this way. Objective, as the name suggests, is only to with the object. All personal feelings, religious beliefs, past lifetimes etc should be left out of such a review. The key aspect of an objective review is to let the reader form an opinion. Gruber and MG force opinions on their readers, they are not objective. This does NOT mean that they are being dishonest.
Now that we have cleared that up I would like to dispute your definition of a troll. A person that finds one minute flaw in a competing product and then blows it out of proportion and forces their opinion upon their readers but then when a blatant flaw appears in their fanboy product they ignore it or say its irrelevant is a troll. This is what Gruber and MG do.
To be clear I am fine with people being fanboys but you shouldn’t force those fanboy opinions upon other people, that’s when you become a troll.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The name does not suggest that at all. Objectivity needs the object.
Only in your world is a reader prevented from having their own opinion.
Through torture?
Of course they’re not being dishonest. Because they’re objective.
Your definition of a troll is your definition of a troll. I rather rely on Wiki.
The flaws of Android are normal on-topic discussions for daringfireball.net.
Once again, how do you force an opinion on anyone? Stop confusing having an opinion with forcing it on others. Unless links all across the web are being redirected to their sites…
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Gruber is objective. He doesn’t lie about facts to make his point. That is the definition of objective.”
Lying by omission is the same as lying. This guy is the furthest thing from objective. He admitted as such while On The Verge that he would consciously quote-mine positive Android reviews to use the negative points exclusively on his posts. The guy obviously has an agenda so stop calling him objective.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 7:29 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I recently told some Apple friends of mine I was planning to buy a Windows Phone, only to very surprisingly be told “they’re supposed to be pretty good”. The same people had already said I would be mad to get Android because it just doesn’t work properly, etc. etc. Turns out they read Daring Fireball.
So in my opinion Gruber obviously does mislead people because these particular people are aligning their opinion with his. Whether he does this by simply strongly voicing his opinion or selectively quoting articles I don’t know. The Apple users I know quote Gruber like a primary source, but they never go beyond that to compare his opinion with that of anyone else.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 9:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’m sorry, but you left out how he misleads people. So Apple friends of yours read his blog and don’t recommend Android products because etc etc, and that means he misleads people?
Sorry, but reality doesn’t work like that.
The only question that matters is whether or not Gruber lies. Influencing and Misleading are two separate things and I think you’ve got them confused.
The proof of this?
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So he misleads people, but you don’t know how? You see the problem with that?
Maybe you’re not as objective as you think you are if you’re throwing out accusations based on your friends liking Gruber without any proof to back them up.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:23 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Stop picking at the low hanging fruit and technicalities, and address my point. If Gruber is knowingly quote-mining Android reviews so he can cherry-pick for negative quotes for his blog (which he has admitted to doing on The Verge Episode 2), is this not misconstruing fact?
Lying by omission is still lying, it’s a little more subtle, a lot less egregious but it is every bit as disingenuous as making up bullshit because you’re skewing the data for people who might use your blog as their primary source of gadget news. It’s grossly-irresponsible. Yet this is OBJECTIVE in your dictionary? Wow.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:32 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
No. Was I not clear before?
If he omitted the links to the original review, then he would be lying. But show me where he has done such a thing?
Oh and this should be obvious, but the fact that he always posts links to the articles/reviews in question should be a good enough clue that he expects his readers to read the articles/reviews in question.
Definition of Objective as given by a quick google search-
All you have to do is show that Gruber has misrepresented facts because of his personal feelings or opinions. I.E., lied.
And yet you can’t seem to do that.
And no, using only the data relevant to your point is not lying. Lying about the data relevant to your point is lying.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m wondering if you read the same DF I do. A cursory glance at any of his recent posts or tweets is rife with nothing but Android-critical links. The fact he even chooses to link these in particular rather than the more positive (and numerous) reviews of the Galaxy Nexus for instance, speaks volumes about his sympathies.
“Not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.”
Boy. You should really watch that Verge interview because he basically admitted to not doing that in as many words. The man himself acknowledged that his content skews pro-Apple and it’s his personal preference (which he does justify). How you can spin this into Gruber being objective when he admits he’s not, I have no idea.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:44 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Objectivity and fairness are two separate ideas. Learn the difference.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Objectivity and fairness in the context of writing content that is available to laymen, are for all intents and purposes, identical. If your content is not objective and lets personal opinion affect your output (which is unquestionably true by admission), then it is by its very definition, neither fair nor balanced..
But okay, you’re not budging and would probably argue over this with even more laughable technicalities to have the ’last word, until your prostate explodes or even more editors delete your posts.
You’ve threatened to leave The Verge because your world view is under attack by reality? You think DF is that much more comforting? Then by all means go there, but don’t attempt to pass off Gruber as some paragon of journalism.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 2:04 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Stop using ‘fair and balanced’ like it means something. It’s nothing more than Fox’s marketing speak.
They’re not.
Tell me, if a review considers only the specs on a product and compares the specs to another product, is it objective?
You say it is, right? If so, who decides the importance of those specs in the first place?
Is it still objective if the importance of specs are just personal opinions?
Of course not.
As said, objectivity is not about whether or not you have personal feelings (which are unavoidable), but whether or not you are honest.
My deleted posts were unrelated to this convo we’re having.
Where did I threaten to leave? I said they would have to delete my posts and my account until I got an answer (which I did receive) for my why my previous posts (and the replies to them) were deleted. Don’t put words into my posts.
As said, you can’t have objectivity without honesty. And to add to that, you can’t have honesty without personal feelings.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:52 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“A cursory glance at any of his recent posts or tweets is rife with nothing but Android-critical links. "
That’s just a lie. Not posting chocolate topped reviews and posting “critical” reviews are not the same. I haven’t seen ONE “critical” link to a Galaxy Nexus review yet. Maybe you think that anyone who doesn’t admit that is in love with the Galaxy Nexus (like Josh) is “critical”, but that’s just BULLSHIT
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:06 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
If Josh “loves” the Galaxy Nexus that’s fine with me. If he starts telling everyone that the Galaxy Nexus is the best and only phone anyone should every buy that’s where he loses my respect.
At the end of the day Daring Fireball is Gruber’s blog, he can say what he wants on it – just don’t expect everyone in the world to agree with him.
By the way go to DF and find the link to “My favorite Galaxy Nexus review to date”. It seems to me at least that he likes the critical reviews.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:34 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Apple users in general love attention to detail and we love commentary and reviews that pick at the tiniest details and niggles.
We love it when applied to Apple products too. We complain about stitched leather. We niggle about the linen texture for the notifications screen when linen is supposed to be for the bottom layer and notifications is a top layer. This is just how we roll.
Listen to/read something by John Siracusa sometime!
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 6:51 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
One who is truly objective would aggregate the scores of the Galaxy Nexus from a good source pool of tech sites (might I add the positive reviews far and away outweigh the negative) and get an average wherein he could then realize that his hangups with the phone are his own personal preference and he is the exception not the rule. Rather he looks for especially poor reviews and touts them as the only reputable source he needs for his statements ( such as his empathizing with MG Seigler on the iPhone browser being better than the Galaxy Nexus , a sentiment that can be objectively proven false in both speed and capability). Also, humans are inherently nonobjective and can only attempt to be objective without ever achieving it
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 2:45 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
That’s not objectivity. That’s like saying that to objectively determine the correct religion we should just look at the number of people worshipping different gods.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:00 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
religion is the furthest thing possible to be objective about. Not a good example.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:20 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Considering the numerous articles and debates such as this, is it really that different?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:08 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So your argument is that no one is objective? And yet you’re criticizing Gruber and MG for not being objective?
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OK, so people I know read Daring Fireball, then they tell me exactly what they have read there as their own opinion; one of which is (to be blunt) Android is rubbish, only an idiot would consider buying an Android phone.
You are arguing semantics – I will happily change my comment to be that Gruber influences (not misleads) people I know who read his blog to be pro-Apple and anti-Android.
If you want me to be not objective that’s fine – Gruber is obviously pro-Apple, he wants everyone to love every Apple product ever released and he will happily tell you to your face that Android sucks. His reviews are like film posters that filter out the good bits, but in reverse – just the bad parts make it through.
I will tell you what reality is – an iPhone is not the best phone for 100% of the people in this world. I said somewhere else in this thread that asking if iPhone is better than Android or Windows Phone is like asking if you prefer cats or dogs.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 4:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Feel free to link the post where Gruber said ‘Android sucks’. Since he’ll tell me that to my face I guess he must have written it somewhere eh?
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 6:52 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
He would never actually write it down anywhere, someone might link to it in a forum.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 8:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The great thing about excuses is that they’re so easy to pull out of thin air.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The great thing about telling me my opinion is totally wrong is it doesn’t change it.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No it’s not. And even if it was (it’s not), Gruber always provides the relevant links. So he is omitting nothing.
Haven’t watched it, but so what? I’ve long noticed how he does this. And he usually does it to point out the negative points of a product that still exist.
Once again, you’re suggesting that objectivity means that you can’t consistently point out the negatives of a product without pointing out the positives.
That is not what objectivity means.
If Gruber were to lie about the negatives because of his personal feelings or to mislead the reader into thinking the original review wasn’t overly positive (an idea nulled by the fact that he always posts direct links to the reviews), then he wouldn’t be objective.
Don’t tell me what to do. And once again, having an agenda doesn’t mean you can’t be objective. If that agenda causes you to lie though, then you are not objective.
And I’ve yet to see proof that Gruber has intentionally lied about anything on his blog.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:33 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I love the clutching at straws to somehow paint Gruber as some fair and balanced, objective blogger.
“No it’s not. And even if it was (it’s not),”
Such an informed statement! (/s) I wonder if any courts of law, human beings and posters would agree with you (they don’t).
Now you’re just resorting to semantics to make the point that “Gruber is objective but… he does X, Y, Z. Which he can totally do! He doesn’t outright make up facts! He comes very close, but he never says it!” which is the same tangent that Fox News uses when they want to skew Right.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:41 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I never said Gruber was fair and balanced. I don’t believe in fairness. And there’s no point to artificial balance.
Example.
Gruber has often made the point that Android is laggy. This is a constant theme of his posts. Therefor, when referring to a positive (or negative) Android review in the past, he would often pull the single line about lag from the review.
This does not misrepresent facts. If anything, it backs up his opinion with facts. And yet you seem to think that such a thing isn’t objective.
Let’s make this even clearer.
I can mention every single negative of Android in a article, and I can still be objective. As long as I don’t misrepresent the facts.
The problem is that you’re are confusing objectivity (not misrepresenting facts because of personal views) with fairness (representing facts free of personal views).
Gruber is objective. I never claimed that he was fair.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:50 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Not fair = Not credible
MG is a hack. Gruber is generally tolerable but really.. Could anyone ever expect him to be fair? No, his livelihood depends too much on Apple’s success. Now if you’re looking for an Apple aficionado with some real credability Andy Inhatko is the man. I’m not an Apple fanboy by any means but I respect his work immensely. Andy is fair and balanced and contrary to MG’s take, he’s not boring either.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 7:04 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
+1 for saying MG is a hack. Can’t stand the spanner. Gruber is a troll but once you accept that it can be interesting to see what he says about Apple and amusing when he skirts around apples blatant flaws. I follow DF but not exclusively. I also follow Android Police and the verge. You get an objective opinion from the verge and the two other sides of the spectrum from the others. I find this is the best way to form your own opinion.
But yes MG is a complete embarrassment to everyone, he needs to go.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Who says so?
That’s your opinion. The way to prove its objectivity is to question whether or not you’re being honest in your assessment. And to prove that you need facts showing that he is a hack. So where are your facts?
As said, objectivity and fairness are not the same thing. Gruber is objective. He is not fair.
I don’t want fair and balanced. I think this idea of fair and balance is what causes a birther’s words to be slightly legitimate in our society, when they’re obviously not.
What I want is the truth. And facts. And those are not fair and balanced.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 10:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Did you listen to the last hypercritical on 5by5? Siracusa’s take on this is really interesting. He basically comes around from a different direction and says that rather than trying to worry about objectivity, which is hard to describe one really wants to talk about whether somebody is partisan.
Well worth the time to check out.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 3:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If he’s not being fair, then it beats the point of “objective”. Being objective by definition IS being fair.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Lying by omission is the coward’s version of lying.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:20 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Where’s your proof that he lies by omission?
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 10:01 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I will direct you to Gruber’s post on Daring Fireball wherein he claims to understand the inner machinations of Steve Jobs mind better than the only man that was allowed to biograph the man in his final months. Or the post regarding the loss of buttons on the Nexus being a ’ decidedly iPhone’ move when the heads of Google announced years ago that they always wanted to move away from hardware buttons (Google being a primarily cloud oriented company would intimate this as well).
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 2:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
>I will direct you to Gruber’s post on Daring Fireball wherein he claims to understand the inner machinations of Steve Jobs mind better than the only man that was allowed to biograph the man in his final months.
And on the interview on the Verge has clearly states he met him once, and then only very briefly.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OK, where’s the link?
Is the biographer traditionally a man who has put design first and foremost in his life? Oh, you don’t know? So how do you know that Gruber doesn’t understand Jobs better than a guy who wrote some biographies that Jobs liked? Who has the longer history of analyzing Apple and Steve Jobs?
Keep in mind that the biography didn’t really tell us that much we didn’t know already about Jobs.
So the iPhone didn’t exist two years ago?
You would think so. But the facts suggest differently. And the fact is the G1 had a keyboard and five other buttons. And even before that, they were planning on a Blackberry like phone before the iPhone.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 10:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Isn’t it annoying that the facts have a pro-troll bias?
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 9:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Stop being a Gruber.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 10:25 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
While I don’t knock people for liking iOS over Android or vice versa you should never liken yourself to John Gruber. That man is almost objectively a fanboy asshole. And I HATE to use the word fanboy
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 2:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That is funny. I can’t wait to see how that mutates.
“Oh, stop MG’ing”
“You’re such a Seigler.”
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:29 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Haha love it!
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well the iPhone definitely doesn’t have the highest resolution display. There are a few 720p phones now.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:44 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
GNex is 315ppi
iPhone 4 is 326ppi
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:51 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
ppi =/= resolution
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:53 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Actually, before we all starting using ‘resolution’ to mean ‘dimensions’, that’s exactly what it meant.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:33 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
“The display resolution of a digital television or display device is the number of distinct pixels in each dimension that can be displayed.”
Pixel Density is not resolution.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:26 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Guess you missed the word “before” in my earlier post.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Resolution in relation to digital displays never had any relation to dimensions. In fact it comes from the optics – the ability of an imaging system to resolve detail in the object that is being imaged.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yea. Exactly my point.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:48 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
But exactly not your point Resolution is the number of pixels displayed, and always has been, the is not relationship to dimensionality here. It is only when you take the size of a display into account as well that your end up with pixel density.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 5:41 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Jobs: "there’s a magic number around 300dpi, if you hold something about 10-12 inches away from your eye, it’s the limit of the human retina to distinguish pixels."
Hence retina display.
So arguing over 315 vs. 326 ppi is irrelevent – just hold it 10 inches from your eyes.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 8:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That would be true if the Pixels on the Nexus were the same kind of Pixels as on the iPhone. But they’re not, as becomes clear the moment you consider subpixel density.
As such the resolvable lines per inch of the Nexus display are very different depending on what colour line you choose.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 3:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Again missing Alrescha’s use of ‘before’. See for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_criterion#Explanation.
The word has a long standing use in optics that predates any concept of a pixel.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 3:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
and the Rezound is 341
and the LG Optimus LTE is 327
what’s your point?
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:00 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
He claimed that people that the only people that should get iphones are people that don’t use screens. I’m pointing out that the iphone has a better screen than the GNex.
My point isn’t that iphone is better, I prefer the GNex, but that people should be open minded. They are both great phones, it comes down to preference not specs at this stage.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:03 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think he maybe means size, not resolution.
For example this guy from tech buffalo is switching from iPhone to HTC Titan (Windows Phone) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYmvc1tIeTo. One reason he gives is the size of the screen – not the resolution, but the actual size, as in BIG. There’s a bit in the video where he says he can read the Titan without his glasses, where the iPhone just seems tiny to him now.
In my opinion all this talk of resolution becomes kind of meaningless after a while … the iPhone 3GS is 480×320 pixels, 163 ppi, and I’ve had one of those for a few years now. People say the Windows Phones are only 480×800, so something like the Lumia is 252ppi, not as high as the 4S at 326ppi, but much better than my current phone. I bet a lot of people don’t care one little bit about the ‘retina display’ but it sounds good I guess.
Pixel density is not going to be a deciding factor in my next handset, but actual physical size might be.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 6:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Maybe he did, screen size is a very subjective opinion though. 4.6" is very big. I like the 4" mark but somebody with bug hands might prefer the note and a female might prefer an iPhone. If he was talking about size I think it’s still pretty stupid to come out with a blatant statement like that.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:43 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
iphone better screen than galaxy nexus?
beacuse of 10 pixel density?
fuck off
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 7:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How about 50% better subpixel density?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:02 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Think you’re missing my point. I’m saying that one being better than the other is personal preference at this stage so saying people that use iphones must not use their screens is a stupid comment to make.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:46 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
@justbowlinm8
Hey, this is not engadget, don’t need to be rude to get your point cross.
10 pixels is negligible but still is “better”. Also I remember GN has a pentile screen so even though it is a better pentile screen I doubt it will be better than the one on IPhone
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:21 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You’re an iPhone user, aren’t you?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:24 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The 720p screens are the highest resolution cell phone screens.
If you’re talking pixel density, the Rezound has higher pixel density than the iP4.
so hah
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 7:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
MG is a hack. Gruber is generally tolerable but really.. Could anyone ever expect him to say anything Google or Microsoft does is better than Apple’s? No, his livelihood depends too much on Apple’s success. Now if you’re looking for an Apple aficionado with some real credability Andy Inhatko is the man. I’m not an Apple fanboy by any means but I respect his work immensely.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:52 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I laughed having read this from my htc rezound. Nice try though!
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:13 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, but “everyone” or almost everyone in your group of friends, for a lot of us, are the parents/old people who don’t know a lot about tech.
I personally completely hate the iPhone, but I recommend it 90% of the time.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:50 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
this is such a lame comment in itself…if you´re into apps – do not buy an iPhone? Are you kiddin’ me?
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:52 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
you are wrong on so many levels! but especially about the apps.. in 99.9% of the cases an app appears first on iOS and maybe at some later point on android..
also, most people are just not as tech savvy as most of the readers of the verge.. so recommending an iPhone to them just makes more sense! especially if you don’t want to help them all the time for problems that would never come up with an iOS device!
now, if you are forever alone guy.. maybe that added interaction with others will actually be a bonus.. but i know how much i have to explain to my parents (approaching 70 yo) and others in their age range how to use certain functions of their computers over and over again.. i don’t even want to know what would happen if i recommended they get an android phone.. ^^
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 4:58 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Android = number one app is a task manager. 0.o
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:34 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Has anyone been asked this question and then hit with the “but it has to have a REAL keyboard”? It always seems to be a condition when I get asked, and it’s a tough hurdle to get over.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:09 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
HTC 7 Pro.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well, the solution isn’t always to recommend a good phone with a keyboard. I think that people need to try to use a modern touchscreen keyboard, especially on a 4"+ screen, but they simply aren’t willing to.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:33 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
My wife had one of those until last week as she had to have a “real” keyboard but after a few months she was using the screen more and more and the keyboard hardly ever.
When it was stolen, she opted for an iPhone.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
God yes. I had a friend argue tooth and nail that there had to be an S2 with keyboard.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:20 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
There is no ?
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/15/2631387/samsung-captivate-glide-review
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not an s2 class (except for the tegra 2 maybe) but as close as you will get.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 5:20 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, that is the worst. I believe this is because people don’t know how good a software keyboard CAN be. They have a mental image of those resistive, plastic, press-with-all-your-might touchscreens you see at terrible kiosks and they assume that it is going to be identical.
For some reason they feel more comfortable with the thought of typing on terrible featurephone keyboards.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:53 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Hilariously, people often ask me when they see my phone “ohh, hey, yeah, that’s exactly what I want, where did you find one with a keyboard?”
Although I find it amusing, even if you could still find one I wouldn’t want to take advantage of it and foist an N900 on someone like that. Although, that being said, some of the UI paradigms are way more intuitive than iOS and Android; I constantly see older people trying to tap outside of popup dialogs to get them to go away, which of course does nothing on iOS or Android but does exactly what they’d be wanting on Maemo. Much of the rest of Maemo would doubtlessly baffle them, though; if Nokia had only sold the N9, and had sold the N950 alongside it, I honestly think that would have been a powerful combination for non-geeks (and huge geeks, both extremes really).
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’d do the same. Personally, I don’t want to be part of that group where everyone has the same phone.. in black or white.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Is this an indirect response to some of what Josh, Gruber, and Siegler were discussing? I posted my own thoughts here: http://ronoffringa.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/objectivity/
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:13 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Pretty good article.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice post.
Gruber is right though. Sites like The Verge, Engadget, CNET do rate gadgets on a curve; they are not objetive. His problem is that they don’t come out and say that they grade on a curve and thus put on a facade of objectivity.
My personal problem with tech sites, the Verge included, is that their curve is skewed towards people that are tech geeks rather than the average consumer. This is understandable because the people reviewing these gadgets are tech geeks. It is only human nature that they consciously, or, more likely unconsciously, give favorable reviews to gadgets that cater to their geeky desires more so than the ones that do not. In addition, I think that they are very conscious of being labeled “fanboys” or haters of a specific company. (If you want me to give you examples of this, I have plenty.)
Personally, I don’t think that is right. I think that if you are going to have a curve then it should be skewed towards the average consumer because tech is mainstream now. Sites like The Verge are not read solely by tech geeks anymore, and I think their reviews should reflect that.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:52 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
I should also note that The Verge is by far the most objective tech site I’ve seen. Notice how very few tech devices get extremely high scores, and how the reviewers are not scared to really lay it into a product if it has a flaw. That is objectivity.
I think this is best embodied in a recent review Joanna did where she really let us know how crappy the trackpad and keyboard of a certain laptop was. It was so bad that, despite the laptop’s awesome specs, she just could not get over it and severely detracted from the laptop’s score because of it.
I thought that was perfect and how reviews should be. She was not scared of letting this company know they dropped the ball on a critical aspect of the end-user experience, and that their additional bells-and-whistles were not going to make up for it.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 4:04 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
I’m aware that this doesn’t fully answer your post, but I feel it’s worth dropping How we rate in for reference. We try to be as transparent as possible as to how we review products.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 6:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks Jamie. For the record, I think you guys are the best tech site around and your review philosophy is mostly in line with mine. I wish I could edit my original post because in re-reading it, I realize that it can come across as an attack on your site which was not my intention at all.
Also, to clarify, when I say a curve leaning towards the tech crowd I mean that things like customizability, specs, and features are given too much weight in comparison to things the average consumer cares about like polish, stability, and ease-of-use.
Do specs matter because they show the potential of the device? Certainly. Do they matter enough to overrule a crappy trackpad or crappy user experience? Absolutely not and I think that you guys mostly feel the same. Though, I can’t say the same for the other guys.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 6:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You could always implement a two rating system. One for your readers (tech savvy) and one for your new-to-tech uncle. Or “Enthusiast” score and “Casual User” score.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 7:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And tech geeks hate the iPhone?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:32 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nope. The iPhone gets great reviews because it is so well rounded. It is the most feature-laden phone next to Android, always has awesome specs, and has a polished user experience. It appeals to tech geeks and mainstream consumers.
Where you see the biggest discrepancy with regards to smartphones is in the way Windows Phone 7 has been treated in comparison to Android. Tech reviewers really hold it against WP7 that it doesn’t have all of the features of Android (no LTE, no dual core, customizability, i.e., the geeky stuff) but they don’t really bash Android for lacking the things that WP7 has (polish, great UI, no lag, regular updates, no OEM intermeddling, i.e., the non-geeky stuff).
Personally, I think that the things that WP7 gets right are more important than the things Android gets right because those are the things that really matter to the average end user, and those are the people who, after all, buy the majority of these devices.
(I am aware that 4.0 has fixed a lot of this—finally—but that is the thing ins’t it: you would not have known from tech reviews that Android needed fixing.)
Again, I think The Verge is the site with the most balanced reviews so this isn’t a rant against them. But for a contrast, go take a look at Engadget’s smartphone buyer’s guide. Are those really the phones you would recommend to an average person? I think the answer, judging from the comments on this post and Chris’ excellent post, is a clear, resounding no. They are the phones you would recommend to a tech geek.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:10 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
“The most feature-laden phone next to Android”….aHEM. The 1% of 1% of 1% of us who use Nokia’s Linux devices would like to object to that. Hell, the N900 had Skype video calling—-on 3G, no less—-long before such a luxury came to Android or iOS. Not to mention multitasking with a UI for such that Android is only now scarcely catching up to, and countless little things like on-the-fly merging of contacts (I don’t know about iOS, but last I checked Android still needed you to use Gmail for that, strangely).
And that’s not forget hardware; even little bits like the kickstand on the N900 (which proves to be surprisingly impressive to people sometimes) or the sliding cover for the camera, which is going to seriously pain me to give up if I ever have to replace this thing. And that’s not even mentioning some of the odder things . . .. and they aren’t things that non-geeks don’t care about. Quite the opposite, in fact.
That is to say, you should not underestimate the draw of a phone where you can install a widget on the homescreen to turn off any television. It adds a whole new level of fun to going to sports bars, let me tell you! Speaking of things you can put handy widgets on the Hildon desktop for, one of the biggest things people, especially non-geeks, get jealous about is the FM transmitter; vastly simplifies the usage of car stereos, let me tell you.
Anyways, that’s enough of me defending the injustice of the N900 being passed over. I’ve literally never seen a WP7 handset in person so I can’t speak to your other points, heh (and since they won’t interface at all with my operating system I don’t care about them personally; best of luck to Nokia, hope for their sake—-by which I mean their excellent and underappreciated engineers—-they can gain some new customers ’cause they completely lost me by going over to WP7).
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:39 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Really? Did yo just cross from another universe? Every single review mentions that WP7 has a great new and unconventional UI. And Android, with exception of SGS2, devices have had their fair share of UI related abuse. Just because you personally consider that Android UI is 1 and WP7 is 10 does not make it like that.
I would personally grade Win7 UI a -10 compared to Linux’es at 2 and OSX at 9.
In addition, I would recommend that that average person goes into a store and plays around with iPhone, Galaxy Line, SonyEricson smartphones and some WP7 devices.
In addition, there are many reasons to chose any over the others. It’s not like WP7 is the perfect device, because it’s really far from it.
I always said the following about the three platforms:
iOS – the app delivery platform – Stays out of the way and great at it.
WP7 – the integrated platform – If what is baked in is only what you need, then you will be happy with it.
Android – the integration platform – There is an app that will extend the capabilities of your device and integrate with your system.
All three have had different goals. And all three are great at achieving their goals. Pointing a finger at either one of them and saying that it is bad because it doesn’t have a goal that other’s have does not make any sense to me.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:07 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I agreed with most of you points except for the one where you use Win7’s UI to make a point against WP7. They almost nothing in common.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 1:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I prefer a review that says “some people might like this, some people might like that” to a review that says “if you don’t like the iPhone you are obviously an imbecile and why can’t you see how great it is”.
I might (for example) say to someone who has all Apple products in their house that they should use an iPhone over Android because it fits into the ecosystem they have chosen, apps they have for their iPhone can run on their iPad, they can use iCloud and so on. Conversely I might recommend Android for other reasons.
Siegler’s Mercedes/Honda comparison is disingenuous, because of course anyone would prefer the Mercedes over a Honda. But would you prefer a Mercedes or a BMW? Porsche?
I think the question is more like would you prefer to own a cat or a dog? The answer to that question is conditional on other factors, as is the question of which phone you might prefer. The Gruber/Siegler stance is “I own a dog, dog’s are great, what the hell would you want a cat for????”
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 10:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Nexus all the way. We already own 3 and I’m going to buy 2 for my parents.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:15 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That’s over $1500 on phone if you’re getting it from Verizon. That must be nice.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:30 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Hear, hear!
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Some girl from my Sixth Form College accidentally deleted the Android Market off her un-rooted Galaxy S yesterday (don’t ask me how she did it, because I don’t know). As my college’s resident tech expert, so got me on Twitter and asked me to fix it.
Now, this is difficult. I resolved that she didn’t have a file manager on her phone, which meant installing apk’s was pretty much out of the question, because she couldn’t instrall a file manager apk. I had to tell her to take it to a phone shop to get it sorted out. I get the feeling she won’t ask me any more questions now (but I guess, in a way this is a good thing).
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You can normally grab market APKs from around the web and install that way. It’s still very impressive that she managed that, though.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But she didn’t have a file manager, like Astro, so she couldn’t have installed it even if I got her the APK :(
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Galaxy S doesn’t have an included file manager? Lame.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I checked with her and it didn’t seem to, no.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
there is a stock file manager on every galaxy phone..!
and you can send apk’s via email and install them.. no need for file managers…!
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:42 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You can just sideload it no?
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Can’t sideload if you have no way of getting to the apps/no file manager.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
*apk’s. not apps.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Go into settings and make sure allow instillation of non-market applications is turned on the just download an apk and it will install just fine.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:50 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If she’s on Gingerbread then the Download app would allow to run the APK.
I’m just wondering how the core application got removed? Maybe she just removed the link from one of the homescreens?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:42 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just email the APK to her Gmail account, and you can install it directly from the email when you download the attachment.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 4:30 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
There’s an idea…hmm…nice one mate!
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 4:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why didn’t you just have her google market apk and then install from the download app after downloading from the browser? Or email her a copy of the apk that you found online
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 3:24 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
like i said.. every galaxy phone has a stock file manager.. and you can install apk via email.. no need for ADB whatever..
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:43 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My immediate thought when I began to read this was: “If you want me to help you with it, it better be an iPhone.”
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:24 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I say the same thing only opposite haha I tell my family if they get an iPhone they are on their own with set-up and using it. I don’t even use iTunes. I tell them if they want my help to get android or even a blackberry.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
blackberry? you must be really into that stuff…
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Haha only because it’s what I had before I went Android, so I remember a decent amount
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh hey guys it’s ok, I found the blackberry user, we can stop looking now.
I kid, I kid :-p
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:51 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I keep my technology enthusiasm around others to a minimum for the whole “on the hook” reasoning. A phone’s a big commitment, they’re expensive out-right, and month to month.
I do find it amusing when people ask, “well, what phone do you have?” because I use a BlackBerry and I’ve only recommended it to one keyboard loving friend of mine.. she ended up with a Droid 3 and I haven’t heard the end of it, haha.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Mr Ziegler, you should not be doing that. These poor people need our help and we need to help them make the right choice. Maybe they have massive hands or maybe they want to make their phone their own. I call on all of you to bring knowledge and wisdom to these people.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HORSESHIT!
Just kidding man, nice job, I concur.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:29 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Same as with laptops. Save money in the short term, get viruses & ongoing nuisances & endless tech support calls—- get MS crap! Pay more and never have to worry about it – get Mac.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
You have to make a quick judgement of whether they already know how to use a mac (or are open to the idea of having to learn something new). I have stopped recommending that my friends get Macs, because I am held responsible for every damn thing they are too lazy to figure out for themselves.
I once got my parents to get themselves a macbook – big mistake. Some people have absolutely no intentions of even making an effort to learn how to use a mac (despite how much they complained to me about the PC they had before).
Recommending a mac, just by default, is not always a good idea.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:21 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
True but if they are using a computer for the first time, a Mac is often a lot easier to get the hang of.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In principle that’s probably true, however, when was the last time you met someone using a computer for the first time? Infants and toddlers aren’t exactly in the market for new computers usually. Elderly folk maybe, but my gut tells me you’d be better off telling them to just get an iPad instead.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 6:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You are projecting your own life experience onto society. See http://www.census.gov/hhes/computer/publications/2009.html – at least in 2009 about 30% of households had no internet at home, and about 75% of people said they had access somewhere else. So about 25% of people 2 years ago had no access to the internet at any time. I imagine some of those might still have a computer, but I still think there might conservatively still be be 15-20% of households with no computer in the US (or at least without the internet which for me at least is almost the same thing).
As for the Apple thing – hardware in macs will also break (especially when you consider the hardware is the same as in anything else these days), you still need to learn your way around the OS, you need to learn to type for a start, etc. If they never owned a computer what do you really think makes mac mail easier than any other mail program? You click the icon on the desktop, you learn what to do.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 9:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not having the internet ≠ Never using a computer
Not owning a computer ≠ Never using a computer
Never using a computer = Never using a computer
I would guess that maybe ≤ 1% of the adult population in the modern world have never used a computer. Whether it’s through school, work, or some other means, almost everyone has used a computer at this point. They may not be fluent in their usage, but that’s not what I was arguing. And to be clear, those in the 1st world who have somehow managed to never use a computer are most likely not in the market for a computer of any kind, whether due to age or poverty, negating their relevance in this discussion.
Why a Mac may be easier for a first time computer user more or less comes down to the sheer amount of hand-holding Apple has seemingly managed to jam-pack into OS X. While I can’t imagine that the learning curve is terribly different between Windows 7 and OS X, if I had to personally choose which one is easier to learn, I would probably say OS X. Learning curves are generally a very subjective thing, and in my experience, OS X seems slightly easier.
Also, just so you know, I’m a Windows / Linux guy myself, so I’m not trying to say OS X is necessarily better.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 3:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OK, fair enough. In my mind I was thinking more don’t own a computer, rather than never used one (and I concluded that if you never use the internet you are pretty much starting from scratch). Those census details were really the closest I could get to ownership details in 10 minutes of googling.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OSX is a lot less confusing than Win7(I still get routinely confused by it), but for a first time user there really is no difference.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Absolutely. About three times a week someone asks me what laptop to buy. I want to be able to recommend a Mac just for simplicity’s sake (though I typically use Windows and / or Linux myself), but very few people seem to be willing to be in even 30 second towards learning something… anything new.
I’d argue that helping someone find a laptop is almost infinitely more difficult than helping them find a new phone. There seems to be far more factors that comes into play ( i.e. keyboard, screen-size, price range, operating system, battery life, thickness, weight, color, build quality, manufacturer provided customer support, etc.). A lot of those attributes obviously also come up when giving advice on a new smartphone, but really, with smartphones, there are basically only four real options — iPhone, Galaxy Nexus, WP7 ( pick one, they all offer roughly the same experience ), or the Blackberry 9900.
With laptops, you basically have either a MacBook, or one of 8 billion Windows laptops. Even with the sheer ammount of options, none ever meet the criteria given to me or stand out about the rest. Also, for the record, here is what basically everyone generally seems to want for whatever reason:
• 13 – 15" screen,
• 8 – ∞ hours of battery life,
• ≤ 1" thick,
• Full size keyboard WITH Numpad (insanity, I know),
• ≤ $550
Now try finding a single laptop that comes close to fitting those general specifics. Most MacBooks would come fairly close if it wasn’t for the last two bullet points.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 7:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Viruses? In 2011? Endless tech support calls?
Yeah. Nice one. Now under the bridge.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 7:33 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’m kinda on a budget, would love to own the Galaxy Nexus but can’t afford it. Would getting a Nexus S be a smart move or should I wait it out until CES to see what goodies may come my way ??
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If you are up for an upgrade buy from amazon and the Gnexus is half the price
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m not on contract, and is usually out of my purchasing power as a teenager
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nexus S is an absolute bargain on eBay (at least, it is in the UK – I’m not sure where you are). Well under £200 for one in decent condition.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 5:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The i9023(NS with LCD) is cheap everywhere.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:50 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nexus S hardware is a bit old but it now has ICS (Just got my update last night) and it works GREAT! My Nexus S is now my secondary phone since I just got the G. Nexus but I’d have no problem recommending the Nexus S for those who don’t mind older hardware.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 4:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Don’t get a Nexus S. The Galaxy Nexus is everything but better. If you can’t afford it, just save a bit more and wait until a discount. You’ll be kicking yourself if you pulled the trigger on the Nexus S.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 7:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Nexus S actually seems to have better voice capabilities over the Galaxy Nexus from my testing. Of course, I was pitting the GT-i9020T against the SCH-i515. The GT-i9250 might actually be decent at it…
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 11:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What “phone”? Well, I’d surely recommend a feature phone with nice call quality, cheap, with some battery life like the Nokia N8 – plus you get a 12mpix camera on it. Symbian FTW. Do the rest of your stuff on your computer and that settles it lolll. It’s a phone and apps are overrated. You want to play? Buy a console.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The N8 is a smartphone dude.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:53 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yes but it’s Symbian and the OVI store – which isn’t as smart i.e. doesn’t drain as much battery – and I would recommend it without a data plan, to just use with wifi when you want mail for instance… in the end, with the money you saved, you’ll have enough money to add to your bill a brand new cheap laptop and eventually put a down payment on your new house!!
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s crazy talk. What are we, adults? I’ll stick to my treehouse, comic books, tin-can telephone, thank you very much.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 7:21 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Adults need not be overspending idiots who seek status and imitate their peers to end up with something expensive they scarcely use. That was my point. Plus the N8 is far from a tin-can phone.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:27 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m pretty sure he was joking =)
N8 = Non-removable battery = fail. I would personally get something far cheaper and more practical that allows me to change this to Mass Storage:
Nokia Support Discussions – N8-Switching Phone memory to Mass Storage – Nokia Support Discussions
Though I like Symbian and use the E63. Aside from infuriating Symbian Signed certificate signing (ugh) making this unenjoyable to anyone but a dedicated user, it’s mostly good and offers a lot.
With the N8, you are mostly paying for the camera. If that’s less important to you than other features, money can be far better spent elsewhere.
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Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 8:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wouldn’t recommend an N8 to anybody who hasn’t used a smartphone before. Powerful, yes. Intuitive, no.
My wife looked at the E7 and hardware-wsie it was ideal but the OS is old-school geek stuff
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:21 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think a normal person will still succeed at making calls and texting – and I was thinking of this phone for those purposes really.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
To be honest, the most budget phones can do that, so it strikes me as a poor choice to spend that much unless you are after the decent camera, video output or whatever and like Nokia/ Symbian.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You made decent points. Thank you.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 2:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In the end I wonder what is the best feature phone or smartphone that can be trimmed down to a feature/wifi phone. With some real battery life. Would gladly read an article on that.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 2:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A qwerty model with 1-week battery life and comprehensive features would be great.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 7:01 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Symbian FTW. Do the rest of your stuff on your computer and that settles it lolll. It’s a phone and apps are overrated. You want to play? Buy a console”
Oh God. I guess there are fanboys in every shape and colour. People who ask about smartphones will get recommended smartphones, not some dead-weight phone running a DOA OS.
“Apps are overrated”…..
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 7:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Maybe you should read. The title of the article asks “what phone should I buy”. A phone is not necessarily a smartphone. Secondly, the design and aesthetics of the N8 beats the iPhone or Nexus any time, although I concede that’s a matter of opinion. Finally, I was recommending the phone as a “phone” for calls and text, without data, so there are still people who seek those and not social networks statuses and boring widgets and rehashes of games made a decade ago. If I don’t care for such useless apps, and I don’t use social networks and I’m no nincompoop, and I mostly browse the web on my computer, then why should I end up with all sorts of useless features which will kill my battery in half a day. I wonder who’s the fanboy. Apps are overrated indeed… enter retro-phoning, the new trend for people who still remember that these are phones!
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Errmmmm what about cost? Surely the first question is how much money are you prepared to pay (initially and ongoing)? Iphones are an expensive option if your not vain or a power user.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Chris might find this perverse, but I like to give advice. I hate when people pick something that is wrong for them, because I know I’m still going to get questions about it anyway, so I try point them in a harmless (for them and for me) direction. The iPhone isn’t always the answer, though, so I don’t use it as a blanket recommendation. I can tell when an iPhone is wrong for someone, and I don’t want them to use it because I hate hearing people complain to me about it.
I know my sister better than the Verizon store rep does. She didn’t ask me before she got advice from him, and she bought a HTC phone on Verizon that she was immediately unhappy with. Then she didn’t return it within their return window. So I just get to hear her complain about how buggy her phone is. I have no idea why she didn’t ask me, the iPhone would have been perfect for her.
There is a problem with recommending the iPhone though, (I have an iPhone 4 and I love it) and that is I know when it is wrong for someone. When my aunt tells me that she wants an iPhone she is only saying that because she doesn’t understand the device. I took her to an Apple Store and showed her the iPhone and said, “Here it is.” She was very unhappy, “This screen is so small, don’t they have another one?” No. “Don’t they have one with a keyboard? How can you type on this?” Sigh.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:47 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
The Verge, if you have a problem with my comments, how about you have some guts and say so. Instead of deleting them for absolutely no stated reason at all. What rule did I break? Is ‘horseshit’ not allowed in links, even when that link comes from The Verge itself? Are the editors above reproach?
You might as well delete my account because I will make this an issue until I get an answer.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Top Gear — thanks for your passion here. Rest assured I don’t want to delete your account… you’re a great commenter and you’re making some great points. The only reason your first comments were deleted was because that entire thread was going down a “troll flame war” type of path, and I was trying to nip it in the bud before it exploded and started to dominate the post’s comments. I’m really sorry for any confusion there. Your follow-up was deleted was because we really like to avoid “why was my post deleted?” comments with the same content — it’s also a recipe for an unproductive thread.
Hope this helps… and please, keep commenting!
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:56 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
OK, thanks. That’s all I wanted. Will be more careful next time.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 1:58 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
For non tech informed people, i’d recommend WP7 phones.. I believe it’s the most simple and easy to use OS out there.
As of myself, i use Android.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think this whole post is a reply to
from MG’s post if the same name as Josh’s.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Which is kinda funny since the Verge has such a massive reader base and MG has peanuts these days. I laughed when I read him criticising Josh’s reporting when Josh is probably the biggest tech writer going.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:11 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Are you claiming that there is a relationship between being popular and being right?
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:27 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It could be implying that people want an informed tech editors opinion on what they think is the best of something and while I don’t think there are any that have hit Household name status I would be hard pressed to find someone in tech journalism whose opinion carries more weight than Topolsky’s. However most tech sites have realized that with the competitiveness of the market all the current OSs are phenomenal so the best bet is to tell them what OS does what good so they can decide which one works for them where as MG would rather just say " BUY THIS AND ONLY THIS", And people crave a simple “buy this” answer because people like being told what to do
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 4:21 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, I am saying that there is a corrolation between popularity and doing it right. The verge, and josh, do try to be objective and let the reader form an opinion at the end of an article. I think for this reason people like the verge, they can weigh the facts and weigh a concluding opinion but they know they have a full unbiased opinion.
At any rate MG telling Josh how to report is like the nerd with the lunchbox telling the jock how to throw a football.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:57 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I make it easy on myself and don’t recommend ANY device. Besides, it’s too much trouble for most friends and family to get my device of choice (Nokia N9).
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Would a gizmo like this smartphone selector help? http://goo.gl/LQjB5
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 2:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why do people ask? It’s because they know that the iphone isn’t the best anymore. It’s not like they aren’t aware that the product exists. Sure, they’ve heard at some stage that the iphone is good, but all their more adventurous friends are telling them that they got a not iphone and are loving it. The market is shifting.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think they ask because the iPhone is no longer the only phone out there worth buying. There’s a big difference between that and claiming they “know that the iPhone isn’t the best”.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I think that is exactly what it is. WP7, Android, and iOS are all amazing. Anyone who would declare any of them bad is insane. The problem is like trying to recommend the steak, the lobster, or the chocolate mousse.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 4:25 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
People who ask for a phone recommendation usually don’t need a smart phone. Too bad that carriers hardly offer regular phones anymore. I will miss the days of nokia bar phones and sony ericsson flip outs.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, I disagree with this statement.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:58 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Pretty much the same statement I make. Though, I have added Windows Phone 7 if they have something against the iTunes ecosystem or need a keyboard. It is simply a better end-user experience than Android for the non-tech savvy, and it has all the apps they need.
Interesting that everyone on this blog seems to agree that Android is towards the bottom as far as recommendations go for a non-techie. I expected people to viciously defend Android, but I am glad that you are all aware of its shortcomings.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I think as a userbase the verge commenters tend to be pretty open to all opinions. It’s one of the reasons I lik commenting here.
I would say that android is getting closer though. ICS is a massive step in the right direction. It doesn’t help that VZ is nerfing the GNex though. So I would consider recommending a GNex over a WP7 device. Most people use G services and android works beautifully with them. It’s a major plus in my book and ICS is a lot more user friendly. I wouldn’t recommend a skinned phone though.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:02 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Agreed. I’m looking forward to playing around with ICS once it is released. I think hiring Mattias Duarte was the best thing Google has done for Android in a long time.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 2:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If I were to recommend any phone right now, it would be WP7. The user interface, ecosystem and design are seemingly superior to a nondescript Android phone on Sprint. However, until Sprint gets off the iPhone train and starts caring about other devices, the HTC Arrive is the only WP7 device to choose from.
That’s just wrong.
Another note: I run a tech blog and I am using a LG Rumor, simply because data plans are too expensive. I should write an editorial on this, but as of now, the data plan doesn’t revolve around the phone. Rather, the phone revolves around the data plan. Until I can use a smart phone without resorting to Sprint’s outrageous 79.99 a month data plan, the LG Rumor will be my “bff.” And sadly, this is a love- hate relationship.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If you run a tech, it should matter how much you pay for a data plan you just do it ;)
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:02 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Chris you just described me… Enough said.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think Chris is 90 percent right with this write up. As an iPhone user, I have a hard time recommending anything else to anyone for the reasons he stated. It’s also why the iPhone as device is probably the most popular phone year in and year out. Notice I said phone. I think Android phones appeal to people for four reasons. (1) They need a bigger screen, (2) They need a keyboard option, (3) They are married to Google services and Gmail, (4) Ultra Geeks who live on the home screen and live for customizing it. This is why Android hasn’t gotten any traction on the tablet front. Because two of those four reasons to buy an Android phone are negated in the tablet space. If the four reasons stated aren’t you, you need an iPhone. It guarantees you the best app store, user-friendly interface, game selection, best photography options, and multimedia options unmatched. I think these are things that appeal to the average user…aka the ones we often refer to as our brother, sister, or mom. I think Windows Phone is really nice, but it seems like the little brother to the iPhone, younger, but budding into a real option for the future…just has to graduate first.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:32 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I totally agree. I have used iPhones plenty of times and they’re great devices. But I’m an Android user precisely because of the reasons you stated. I need my keyboard, I use Gmail, I like to customize it a bit, and I like the greater variety of devices I have to pick from. Some Android phones may have better tech specs than the iPhone, but Apple marries all those pieces together to create a smooth and satisfying user-experience (which is exactly what most consumers want). However, I have yet to play with ICS.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 4:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
In making recommendations like this, I think the goal is to not recommend the wrong phone. While it would be nice to be able to recommend the absolutely best phone for the individual, that’s almost impossible for the types of people who ask these questions. You can’t play this game to win; you have to play it not to lose.
So — assuming the person does actually want a smartphone – the iPhone is almost never the wrong phone. Even if it turns out not to be the best phone for that person.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If they don’t know what phone they want then it probably doesn’t matter. Any mfger going after “new users” at this point is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
If someone wants to know what phone to get, I recommend taking your old Android and installing Cyanogenmod on it for them. For instance, I gave my mom my old DInc with CM7 and she eventually activiated it “because her dumb phone died”.
Year old android superphones that are fully supported by Cyanogenmod, such as the HTC Incredible or My touch 4g, can be had very reasonably on Craigslist. That way you can have complete expert control of all the tech support that they will need. And they won’t have to feel the pressure of signing a contract, they can feel free to go back to a dumb phone anytime they want.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 3:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Acc. to stats Horace posted on Asymco (along with a link to where he got them), global smartphone penetration is at 10%. http://www.asymco.com/2011/12/13/global-smartphone-penetration-below-10/ TEN percent. There are a lot of people still out there who have yet to get a smartphone in their hands. The game hasn’t even started yet.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I do the same thing, too. I prefer Android for myself, but I would recommend an iPhone to any of my friends (at least to those that don’t already have one). You have to acknowledge that Apple does make top-quality devices, and the iPhone has huge appeal to mainstream, non-tech-savvy consumers because it simply works with less hassle.
However, I’ve never understood why people would say that Android is harder to use, or confusing compared to iOS. I mean, the GUIs are generally the same: multiple screens filled with little icons (with the exception of widgets in Android). Granted, they do have further differences, but the basic concept is the same; I guess execution makes a difference. But as they say, to each his own.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 4:04 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
You’re talking about a demographic that probably doesn’t even know what “Widget” means. You underestimate just how woeful some people can be with tech. These people aren’t going to read a guide or intro, they’ll just jump in and when you see them 12 months from then, their homescreen will look exactly the same.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 7:41 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Do you like to fiddle a lot?
Yes: Get an Android phone.
No: Get an iPhone.
I dunno: Get an iPhone.
The other platforms, at this point, are a bit too niche, IMO. People who want and would benefit from a Blackberry or Windows Phone probably already know that’s what they want. More so for Blackberry, though. These days it’s just stubborn middle-aged people who have gotten used to the interface and don’t want to deal with all the fancy “complications” of something else (complicated in this case means different… not actually complicated). As for Windows Phone… I think a certain defiance is necessary for someone to willingly hop on board, just because it is indeed very different, and they also won’t enjoy as cozy an ecosystem as iOS or Android have to offer.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 4:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Get a Windows Phone. For beginners HTC Radar is the best option.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 4:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
hey everyone m using a fucking Blackberry now it sucks big time i am really confused what to buy now m thinking nexus?? i already have an ipad so i dont need an IOS but d only confusion is what should i go for nexus or S2??
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 5:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is an interesting comment. Since I bought my iPad, I really don’t care much about what phone I have anymore (I drive from point A, where I have wifi, to point B, where I have wifi).
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 5:04 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
yeah so we dont need an iphone !! please tell me nexus or S2
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 5:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, if you don’t need an iPhone, then you obviously don’t need one of those either. How about some nice clamshell in black plastic?
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 5:29 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Make sure you get something with tethering if your iPad isn’t 3G; that way your phone provides the data plan to get your iPad on the net anywhere.
Pick a phone that is on the supported updates list for ICS, if it’s not the Galxy Nexus that already ships with it.
Make sure you choose a carrier that has great data performance where you live. (again, if the iPad isn’t 3G)
Make sure you get a phone that has external chunky battery packs available for it; you may need it.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 5:26 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Question: As someone who buys a lot of iOS apps, but doesn’t know anything about the app buying experience on Android, can you:
1) Buy a game in Android Market once and use it across all of your household’s devices eg phones and tablets.(the kids can use same apps on iPod Touch – are there Android equivalents to the iPod Touch)
2) Easily backup the entire device all settings and media and apps, and then restore that backup to a replacement phone (if you phone gets water damaged or stolen) or an entirely new phone when you upgrade.
3) If not, can you re-download paid apps bought on your last Android phone and use them on your new android phone or tablet?
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 5:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
1) Yes. You own the app, it isn’t tied to the device. Apps can be installed across all compatible devices. You will need to be signed in to the same Google account on each device, however.
2) In my own experience, the best way to do this is via rooted apps like Titanium Backup and full ‘Nandroid’ backups. Because each manufacturer includes different applications on their phones, there’s no guarantee that apps backed up on one phone will restore to the other. I’ve also not used PC software with an Android phone, so it’s possible that some of the sync services are able to backup.
3) I think I’ve answered this in (1). Yes, all of your apps can be installed on your devices.
Hope that helps.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 6:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
1) Yes
2) Yes, manufacturer software generally does it, if not there’s Apps too
3) Yes, Market has a list of everything you’ve downloaded from it & you can redownload anytime
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 9:29 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Can I ask how you share these Apps across all these devices?
Are all the devices authorised to the same iTunes account? Or have you found an easy way of sharing the Apps across multiple iTunes accounts?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
All our devices share the household iTunes account. If you use multiple accounts on one device it’s a pain as you have to sign out of the store and back in again to get updates for apps bought on that account. Easier to use one account.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I could see so many moments from my life described on this post, that’s so funny but also so real!
And I can totally understand why you use the iPhone as your “safe” recommendation, it’s all about simplicity. The iPhone is simpler to use, to manage, to find apps. It’s not about what it can or cannot do on the extreme side of things, it’s about how easy it is to do things on the device.
I wish I could do the same here, but now we have some $1400 iPhones… that’s simply not possible.
And I got an SMS this week from my cousin asking “which Windows Phone 7 phone should I buy?”. I must say, it was a huge surprise!
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 7:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This post is so true. I’ve been asked numerous times in the past two months for phone recommendations, and although wouldn’t buy anything but a Nexus Android device I end up recommending the iPhone every time.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 7:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, surely ‘budget’ should be your reply not just iPhone… iPhone eats money whereas Android has many cheaper options.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 9:32 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
If you’re about to enter a $2000+ dollar contract, the price of the device itself isn’t that important.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:45 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I don’t own any iDevices. I’m an avid Android fan. And I do believe that the Galaxy Nexus is the best smartphone out there. But when I recommend a phone, I just go for the iPhone 4 (not even the 4S). It’s the safest bet. For a small minority of friends, I recommend the SG II.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 10:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I recommend a Windows Phone to anyone who doesn’t give two shits about apps, and Android to people who really look like they’re ready to get some bang for the buck (big screens). iPhone to anyone else.
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 11:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would suggest buying an iPhone first and foremost. My next choice would be a WP7 phone. Microsoft has done a nice job making a quality mobile OS, but if you can get an iPhone why get anything else?
Posted on Dec 17, 2011 | 11:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This guy seems aweseome. I’m getting what he has:
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:15 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
It used to be able to recommend webOS devices. Now, I can’t and it makes me sad.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:22 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
If you don’t know yourself, there’s no hope for you… so just buy an iPhone.
-Sent from my Galaxy SII
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I love Windows Phone. I really do. I like it a ton better than iOS and a ton better than Android. But, I am so invested into iOS that giving it up seems financially stupid at this point.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 4:46 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I would probably recommend them getting a Blackberry. They’d hate it so much, they wouldn’t use it and they spend more time doing other things.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
once you discover that you can succesfully flash a rom without breaking the phone and then you find your way around XDA forums… you will thank the stars you invested in that android phone.
yes, but seriously. i think the original razr is free on craigslist.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 7:52 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Go for the Win! ;)
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 8:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would, an have, and even converted a few people, onto Windows Phone. They are very easy to use and pick up, and offer more hardware options than iPhone (which is another easy to pick up phone). I have an HTC Arrive with Sprint and want to love it, but can’t because it feels a little old in had (thick, small screen, etc.) The UI is smooth and hardly ever lags on me, which is why i favor WP7, but i do miss Android at times :(
but if theres one thing i would like to say…. Sprint needs phones. I understand they have a ton of other things going on with other companies, mergers, LTE, etc. but because of that, they don’t have the best phones anymore (Verizon has been dominating in that area), i don’t want more, i just want better. Which Sprint has always really been good at, not too much variety, but what they did have were arguably the best at their time (EVO 4G, Epic 4G, Epic 4G Touch, etc.) they’re best phone is the Epic 4G Touch and iPhone 4s, and neither of those are enough to actually be too proud of haha.
What would be GREAT and i wouldn’t mind, is if they released a new high-end phone with LTE, but had it turned off until they set up their towers and are ready to go. Because if you get a new WiMax phone now (with 2 year contract) you would essentially be shooting yourself in the foot.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Certainly agree with the iPhone being a no-brainer choice, it has the right combination for customer satisfaction (build quality, user experience, ecosystem) for the uncertain.
Also an unwitting social experiment? If someone said, post purchase, that there was something that it didn’t do, you would have to wonder why that wasn’t mentioned in the first place.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:15 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
If the person already owns or plans on buying an iPad, iPod, Apple TV, iMac or MacBook it’s kind of a no-brainer based on the synergy between Apple products.
Only Microsoft will be able to offer a similar synergy between Xbox Live and the upcoming Windows 8.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:15 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Great post, Chris. I do the exact same thing (love Android but recommend iPhone in order to keep support calls to me limited).
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:40 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Mom or Grama or Equiv >> iPhone
Dad or older >> Blackberry
Males around my age or less >> Android
Girls my age or less >> Android or iPhone (A year ago this would have been BB or iPhone)
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:49 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i think what i find most enlightening about this is that, as an Android user, i have only recommended Android (read: NOT “DROIDS”) a handful of time. Every other time I, just like you, say “just get an iPhone…it’ll do exactly what you want”. And that holds a lot of truth, not only for the phone but also for the fact that most Android users don’t tend to think about what phone they want. They usually stay with Android, which usually means they want to top-of-the-live (read: that was broad generalization).
But that’s not to say I don’t recommend other phones…I’ve never recommended Nokia before, never ran into someone who even knew about the new Windows Phone (yeah, to them it’s new). But, i have recommended webOS before and hell, I even still recommend Blackberry’s.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 9:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Siri, what phone should I buy?”
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:05 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
iPhone — very creative people / old people
Blackberry — Mafia
Android — Kids ( the phone is like f****g toy )
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:07 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Whenever I recommend an iphone to friends or family, I feel like I’m talking down to them. I feel like I’m making the decision that this person isn’t ready to use an android phone yet. Like they still need velcro shoes or something. I know they will be happy but I can’t help but feel sorry for them.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:13 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Recommending an Android is like recommending a pair of 20 hole Docs. They’re the right boot for some people, but for the rest of the world they’re far too much effort for the benefit.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:19 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
In keeping with the shoe theme
I just wish people weren’t too lazy/too dumb to know they can make any shoe they want with Android. If thinking and and thumb tapping is too much effort for someone, I really feel sorry for them.
In a way Apple is like going to McDonalds for a cheese burger and Android is going to the store and buying the ingredients and making your own burger. I think a meal you prepare is much more delicious and rewarding with the added bonus of gaining some kind of knowledge.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:36 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Different strokes for different strokes. I always buy high end phones, usually off contract. That means that I’m typically paying anywhere from $500-800 for a handset. For that kind of money I want a finished shoe, not strips of leather and shoemaking instructions.
I don’t want to have to fix the software on a phone I just paid good money for. Having used Android, I always feel like I’m working for free to get a decently performing phone with the battery life I expect. Even the Nexus devices need care and feeding to do the things I expect out of a media-centric smartphone.
That’s why I bought an unlocked 4S even though I’m geeky enough to jailbreak, write my own utilities and sideload them onto the phone. I like that I can, but resent being forced to do so to have a decent experience for the money I pay. I was really irritated when for reasons unknown PPTP VPN support was broken on Froyo and Gingerbread. I don’t want to have to fix stuff like that, or even find workarounds. Jailbroken, I have all the advantages of Android that I’m interested in, with none of the downsides.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:19 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I don’t think Android phones need fixed. I was talking about customization.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“I just wish people weren’t too lazy/too dumb to know they can make any shoe they want with Android”
Please don’t call people lazy or dumb just because they have other priorities. I mean do you modify your car to improve horse power? – May I call you stupid if you don’t? All my friends’ android phones have the same home screen since the day they bought it.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:52 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I modify all my vehicles for improved gas mileage.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“In a way Apple is like going to McDonalds for a cheese burger and Android is going to the store and buying the ingredients and making your own burger.”
I don’t think that’s right at all. Apple is like going to a nice restaurant and having your meal prepared and delivered to you with nice atmosphere – but at a cost.
Preparing it yourself might be cheaper /more rewarding / educational, etc.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 7:52 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s funny you would argue that there is no “best” phone—only phones for different uses—yet still rate all phones in reviews based on the same system… thus ranking them as better or worse than each other.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Recently recommended Galaxy Nex.uses (Nexi?) to people. It isn’t at all what I’d buy myself (that would be an N9, although even then, there are some regressions from my beloved N900; nothing’s perfect), but the Galaxy Nexus has all the things non-geeks rely on, all the features geeks who aren’t as geeky as me would want, and it’s even (FINALLY) a non-Nokia pentaband phone, which I suppose may not matter so much to many people, but the folks I know tend to skew pretty heavily towards the travelling and moving sorts. And for those who live sedentary and firmly established lives, I guess you can even just get it on contract for $160 or whatever.
Previously, my go-to was the Nexus S. Everyone from my non-computer-geeky roommate to my mother has thoroughly enjoyed them. If people are deeply into the Apple ecosystem, I’d probably recommend an iPhone, but then again, I probably wouldn’t have to. In fact, I never have been; I have, however, recommended OSX to the kinds of folks who the only programs on their computer they liked were their browsers and iTunes. “Oh, is that what you use?” they inevitably ask. “Well, I use something which is where all the core stuff originates,” I respond, and they don’t get what I mean but that doesn’t stop WebKit, CUPS, etc from working perfectly and entirely unseen for them.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I should buy the phone I did buy, since I’m happy with it. You should buy the phone you bought, if you’re happy with it. If you’re not happy with it, you should have bought a different phone. I think that sums it up.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 10:59 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
its between i phone and samsung galaxy
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree with this for the reasons you listed. I love Android, have been using it since 2009. But with the exception of vanilla Android devices and the Nexus I have a hard time recommending them. Currently the Galaxy S2 is the only phone with a skin that I can wholeheartedly recommend to friends/family. Because I don’t want to be asked a lot of questions and be blamed for the phone getting slow, or not being compatible with app x, or not getting updates.
For people who are a little more tech like my friends I recommend Android based on what their needs are because I know they have the patience and skill to learn something and deal with issues. I would also recommend Windows Phone for the same reasons, but I’m still waiting to see how Windows Phone does in the market and its long term viability before I do that. If WP7 is still around a year from now and still awesome then I will probably recommend it along side the iPhone to someone less tech saavy.
I’m hoping that Android is able to become that too, but I’m not holding my breath.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I am planning to get a Windows Phone when the Lumia 800 (900?) is released. I did think about the long term, but then I realised that if everyone does that it is self-fulfilling. If I like the look of it I should go for it. There are still people out there using the Zune and loving them after all.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
where are the other unanswerable questions ?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 11:57 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree with you Mister Z for the most part. However, if you’re not invested in the Apple Ecosystem and if you don’t live in Google World, then I would honestly suggest a WP7 Mango device. I own 2 Android devices as my daily drivers because I actually do live in Google World and I rely on fluid integration of Google Native Apps, but I can’t help but be eerily drawn to the beauty of the WP7 Metro UI. =)
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I got to admit it’s super easy to recommend an iPhone for pretty much everyone (who’s ready to pay the price).
As a true hard-core Android fan boy, I try to suggest Nexus phones (even the Nexus One is better for a first Android smartphone than pretty much any other Android phone in the Market).
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 12:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
lol no it isn’t. GS2 says hello. And so does CM7. And MIUI.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 4:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
great text!!
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Seriously, if you feel the need to ask me, just buy an iPhone. Me? My next phone will be the Nexus
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 1:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is so true lol.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 2:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This thread is like bizarro internet:
Android users: “Eh, at the end of the day, most people, most of the time will be happiest with an iPhone”
iPhone users: “Well, obviously get an iPhone, but hey, the new Windows mobile stuff looks neat”
What the hell is going on?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 3:51 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
@Qfax
That tells you this is not Engadget :)
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:55 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
In the end the killer feature for the iPhone is still customer support with retail presence. For most people, who will own the phone for almost 2 years, the iPhone is the least riskest smart phone to buy. The walled garden is a plus for the technical naive.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 4:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
What if they have T-Mobile? That’s honestly the toughest question. I mean, without an iPhone, there’s no one phone anybody’d be happy with. The radar is a great pick for my mom: all the apps she uses are integrated. But the sales rep tried to scare her away, even after we asked for it, on launch day, saying, “You know, the apps are more expensive.” That’s only games. I’m sorry you have misinformation. We weren’t up for upgrade, so it wasn’t practical to get a nice Android. No, it was the Wildfire S (under powered and maybe too small). BUT the radar is super girly. I’m sorry, but it is. It’s reminiscent in many ways of a white iPhone. So I get a crummy $200 LG Optimus T that works better than a myTouch 3G, but not much beyond that. (I wish I could root it, just to get Gingerbread on it. But I can’t.)
So on the Windows Phone side, there’s the HD7 (less girly but old) and the Radar
Android there are tons, but the main ones are the Galaxy SII, the Wildfire S, the Optimus, and the newest myTouch. (BTW on Sunday the SII is cheap with a 2-year.)
Blackberry=DEATH
no iPhones.
So which do you buy? The ultraportabilist might want a Wildfire (S), but already it will seem underpowered. Techie’s might love the SII. Socialites will probably like a Radar more than a myTouch, and the Optimus only has cheap and functioning going for it. (It’s even LG….bleh)
PS T-Mo bloatware is just as bad as other carriers….
OR…….. you could buy the $700 unlocked GSM Galaxy Nexus. (This is what a nerd would want.) But it’s android, it’s expensive, and it’ll only be new for a while. Then something else will upstage it. It’s how all phones are doomed to die. Outdone.
That’s sad. And long. But…. a worthwhile read?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 4:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Is leaving T-Mo not an option?
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 6:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not if you have 3 lines, with different end-dates, termination fees, and the fact that if you don’t replace the terrible phone they give you at the one year interval, you are outta date so fast it ain’t fun. So no, it isn’t. But T-Mobile might be the most interesting carrier. No just, “Buy an iPhone.” They still need a flagship. So Samsung + HTC seem to compete for the top of the line. It’s interesting. Wish we had the Focus Flash, or whatever it is. Or a subsidized Galaxy Nexus.
Posted on Dec 21, 2011 | 3:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think it’s pretty simple.
Are you not heavily invested in an ecosystem? Are you relatively new to smartphones? Do you want something simple and easy but also new and fun? Are you on AT&T or T-Mobile? Get a Windows Phone 7 (I always refer to it as Metro since Windows Phone doesn’t always sound great to people).
If the person is on Verizon or Sprint I say get an iPhone.
But if the person is smart enough and has enough patience to get the most out of Android I definitely recommend that. I think it has the most potential out of all of them.
I’m 20 so people I recommend phones to have different needs than old people or full on adults. For example Android has emulation so old school gamer friends of mine love that. Hardcore Xbox users always get a WP7 recommendation too. People who just want the simplest thing possible…they really just want me to tell them get an iPhone.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 4:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree on the first half, but is Android the best? Maybe I am slow, but I envy the other OS’s. I couldn’t get our darn myTouch 3G rooted (the FroYo update broke it), or at least, ROM Manager isn’t working… Super One Click only had 1 error.
If you aren’t talking about rooting, I have a FroYo Optimus T that I can’t wait to ditch. Too bad I need an unlocked phone (It’ll be several months before I can get an upgrade.) and they cause $300+ (quoting the Dell Venue Pro, but that’s old. Most phones I want are $500+)
AND EVEN THEN Android is still weaker as an ecosystem. Live wallpapers and fast settings are the only real advantages I see.
Windows Phone is by far the easiest to use, the “Phone to save us from our phones”
And Metro is gosh darn gorgeous.
iPhone has by far the best ecosystem (We have 2 iPads, an Apple TV, two macs, an iPod touch, an iPhone, and somewhere abouts 4 clickwheel iPods, so we are pretty invested there.)
SO: Why is Android the most useful operating system? Do I need a top of the line to see it is more than a resource demanding battery hog that relies on a weak ecosystem and complicated customizability to impress people? Do I need to appreciate the cheapness of Android? What am I missing that gives Android, “… the most potential out of all of them.”?
(PS “.”?" is one heck of a punctuation.]
Also, I’m not stupid. I understand the majority of anything above actual code. Anything with a button, menu, or a nice help guide I get. I can setup Mono, dropbox, research a phone, all of it. So don’t tell me, “You just don’t get it.”
Also, no iOS hate. It’s silly. You can say it’s over priced, too restricted, you like bigger screens, you prefer Android/WP7, but don’t say it’s just bad because you’re jealous/anti-Apple. Remember Google and Microsoft are just as big, if not bigger, than Apple.
Patience? what are you getting out of Android?
Posted on Dec 21, 2011 | 4:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I am starting to see a trend as to which articles have educated, intelligent comments and which articles quickly spiral into engadget-like flame wars and trolling.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:17 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Would you expect anything else? Battle lines have been drawn based on what mobile operating system one uses: Android, Apple, Blackberry and Windows Phone. It seems to me more volatile than the Playstation vs Xbox & Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge debates of old.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Chris, Josh have you made an editorial decision to flame up the Fanboy Wars?
Not impressed.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 5:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I say wp7 ,it offers the same ease of use as iOS but its much cheaper.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 6:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL. AllaboutSymbian have some thoughts on the phone choice matter, likening the different phones to…well, it’s better to just read it.
Choosing a smartphone platform: motorhome or plush hotel?
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 7:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I pretty much do the exact same thing Chris Z does. I default to iPhone for the same reason he does — I don’t want to be on the hook for any issues Android may give a hapless (or normal) user.
However, it’s really easy to discern whether they’re an iPhone person or an Android person: Do you like spending your time optimize your technology so it’s perfect for you, or do you prefer your technology be optimized and do all the work for you so you can just get on with life?
The answer to this question generally leads to the right platform.
Posted on Dec 18, 2011 | 8:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 1:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
World War III: millions of lives at stake… All because of Mobile Operating Systems…
Now where’s my Nokia 1100??
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 7:24 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A crucial component for me is gaming, as I no longer carry a PSP with me. iOS gaming is streets ahead of Android and Win Phone, there’s just no content.
Right now I’m playing Chrono Trigger, Infinity Blade 2, Mushihime-sama, Sonic CD, Venture Towns, Scribblenauts, Epoch, Grand Theft Auto 3, and Deathsmiles. For all it’s promise of Xbox Live support Win Phone’s barren marketplace is not a home for gamers.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:05 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
‘streets ahead?’
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Streets ahead
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 3:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What if you don’t have any friends? I’m just asking for a …er … friend.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 9:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Now that Google dominates the smartphone market share, the question should be: “which Android phone should I buy?” Welcome to the Google version of 1984 …
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 10:21 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just because something dominates, doesn’t mean you should naturally buy it or that it’s the best for your needs.
I never want to eat at McDonald’s, even though it ‘dominates’ the fast food market.
Posted on Dec 19, 2011 | 4:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
buy an iPhone
Posted on Dec 20, 2011 | 4:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I went straight from Windows Mobile to the Nexus One and now I’m enjoying the Galaxy Nexus and can’t see any change in the near future. Though I need a way to justify getting a WP7 device so I can get a feel for it.
This is an outstanding commentary. And as the “tech guy” in my family I find myself taking the same approach. This mostly stems from the fact that I recommended the original Sprint Pre to my brother and the passive aggressive resentment never stopped. I think he’s using the Epic now and is content (at least silent on the subject).
I want to steer people towards Android but there’s to much build up around trying to assess the persons tech disposition. Can this person handle an Android phone on their own without holding me responsible? What are the right questions to ask them.
Another annoyance is when someone makes an obvious wrong choice and tries to pull me in.
Trying to get to a point where I’m comfortable that the person would be happy with an Android phone is equivalent to psyching myself up to get out of bed on a Monday morning. I need to do it. Good things might happen when I get there. But dammit it could be so easy just to slide back into the bed.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 3:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I actually recommend every phone BUT the iPhone, because I have had to support them off and on since 2007, and it is completely painful to support them outside of a MacOS X situation. More than a few times, I’ve had to get users to uninstall ALL Apple software (which with itunes, means 5-6 dependencies) in order to de-brick their iPhone.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 8:58 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just tell them to buy a Dell.
Posted on Dec 30, 2011 | 2:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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