I walk by a pretty good bootleg DVD stand a few times a month — the proprietor sets up at irregular intervals in Union Square just a few blocks away from The Verge offices in New York. Instead of just offering up ripped DVDs with handwritten titles in paper sleeves, he sells meticulous copies of the entire package from sleeve to disc label, and there are a few legitimate used DVDs thrown in for flavor. If not for the suspiciously low prices and the occasional printing error, you might not ever know the entire operation was operating in brazen defiance of the law.
Stands like these are an important touchpoint when you read or hear about the Stop Online Piracy Act, or SOPA, and its sister bill in the Senate, the Protect IP Act, or PIPA. Both bills attempt to deal with online sites that traffic in illegally copied content, but at extreme cost of remaking the architecture of the internet itself. That’s a high price to pay, especially since neither bill will actually curb real piracy: SOPA and PIPA are the effective equivalent of blowing up every road, bridge, and tunnel in New York to keep people from getting to one bootleg stand in Union Square — but leaving the stand itself alone.
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The world is an odd, odd place… Merry Christmas.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:30 PM EST reply Recommend (26) Flag actions
Happy Chanukah!
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
And a happy Ramadan!
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:35 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
umm, ramadan was in august. you could say happy islamic new year even though that was 3 weeks ago.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 10:34 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
…and a happy winter solstice! (i think)
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 3:07 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Happy Fus Roh Dah.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 3:40 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Happy days off work!
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
2 days late, but close enough!
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 7:52 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
For me its summer solstice :)
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 | 1:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Happy Festivus!
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 6:46 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
for the rest of us.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 10:35 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Speak for yourselves, the world is not America!
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 2:39 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
But the Internet is.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 11:41 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
You’re quite right, the world is physically not America. However, many companies IN America i.e YouTube, Facebook and others like these can easily be affected by SOPA and PIPA. This could cause the entire Internet to re-shape not just in America but the whole world. So technically speaking, America is the world… the Internet world.
Posted on Jan 02, 2012 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
and that’s the worst part. I’m not from America and I was a victim of the DMCA law. These awful laws affect us all. In this case, what happens in America doesn’t stay in America :-), it happens to the entire world.
Posted on Jan 06, 2012 | 10:33 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
facebook, google, yahoo, twitter, youtube, wiki etc are all american sites – them censored – its like the whole internet censored
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 | 6:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
SOPA can direct ISP’s to filter their DNS, can they then censor foreign DNS servers if they allow access to sites which contain illegally posted copyrighted material? How will SOPA effect ope-nsource burgeoning P2P dns projects? Will VPN providers be subjected to SOPA DNS filtering? I don’t see how this bill ‘cannot’ cripple the web as we know it.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 2:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:33 PM EST reply Recommend (38) Flag actions
This is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:35 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
I don’t see anyone whimpering.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:36 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
It’s from a famous poem by T. S. Eliot. Compared to a violent physical apocalyptic event that people predict will end the world, SOPA is a whimper. That is the problem. A lot of the general public doesn’t know about this.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:41 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
While I understand the point you’re making, calling this the end of the world seems a little extreme.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:42 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Okay, maybe you among others enjoy their rights being taken away, but I’m not about to settle with my right to free speech being taken away.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:47 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
What?! No, I am absolutely not okay with my rights being taken away and I completely oppose SOPA.
My point was simply that calling it the “end of the world” is beyond hyperbole.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:48 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Really? Because I see a rebellion starting and Cyborgs popping up to stop the rebellion and after a few months you’ll be saying to yourself “Oh Sh*t, the world did end because of SOPA” as a cyborg crushes your skull with it’s metal foot.
(BTW I am joking right now…for some reason I just felt like posting this little insight to what may happen if SOPA mixed with Terminator)
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:51 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
Hahahaha. If that happens, I will concede that I was wrong. However, that would also make him entirely wrong, as the world would be ending with a bang after all.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:54 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
It was just an anal-ogy man! Haha.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:54 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
I think maybe you don’t know what the word analogy means.
Posted on Dec 27, 2011 | 11:33 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Do you mean ‘Xyboard’?
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:55 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
It may not be the end of the world. But I can reasonably see it being the end of the internet. If this goes through, I’m certainly not going to be doing much online anymore. Nothing beyond email.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why?
Posted on Jan 01, 2012 | 8:43 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You have the right to a trial, which is quickly being circumvented.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 1:13 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Since this site has no edit…
This basically allows a company to target an individual without a trial. In effect, it makes the movie and music industries the authorities. This clearly is as clear of a 5th Amendment violation as anyone will ever see.
“nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;”
If it is such a good idea, pass it to the governors for a 3/4ths vote.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 1:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The end of the world as we know it would be a more accurate way of looking at it. SOPA, that thing that lets American citizens be detained indefinitely without trial, trashing the Occupy camps and curbing the right to protest, I’m sure there are other things too (I’m not American). People are slowly losing the rights given to them in the constitution. Of course it’s not just America either, all over the world people are starting to lose the rights which are often hailed as the greatest features of Western-style democracy.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 11:25 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
None of your rights have been taken away as far as I can tell, so…
Unless of course you have some kind of right to infringing mats on foriegn websites…
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:34 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
amusing…search results filtered and removed, financial accounts closed, DNS servers messed with, all without anything remotely similar to a Court Order…
As far as Internet access is concerned, the United States of America just became the Popular Republic of China.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Again, afaik you don’t have rights to any of those things…
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:50 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
More importantly, the government doesn’t have any right to enforce SOPA, and by doing so violates the rights of MANY private companies and other parties.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 2:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s not so much about the intended use of this law it’s about how easy it will be to abuse this for all the wrong reasons. It’ll cause a lot of skewed conflicts of interest that could heavily mess up the free market. It’ll make it easier for big corporates to get bigger and make it much harder for startups to make a dent.
This act just screams anti-competitive.
I don’t think anyone is claiming they should be allowed to download illegal content. But you should have the right to reasonable prices and competition in the market.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 8:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Talk for yourself, I do.
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 | 5:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
you have the right to distributed and consume legal media on foreign sites and we all know that somewhere in the midst of this heavy handed nuclear bomb those rights will be trampled some
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 8:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yea, but how often? With the enforcement of any law, there is always some “collateral damage” of innocents. But here, as with the domestic versions (a la ICE), if the error rate is low enough, we can live with it in order to gain the benefits of enforcement.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 9:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m a victim of the DMCA law. I lost almost $10000 last year (when I was making just $1500 per month) so your “collateral damage” is pretty fucking real for me. You are ignoring all the victims of that awful law and all the victims that will come with these new laws because they didn’t touch you yet. But it’s just matter of time, you just have to pissed someone off, without even the intention to do it, and get and email that will ruin your business, and finally you will understand the horrible mistake you made..
Posted on Jan 06, 2012 | 10:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Darnit, no edit.
Also, I don’t think you do have that right. I don’t know of any part of the constitution or any other body of law that says you have the right to consume ANY kind of media. In fact, the ratings systems on movies etc specifically speak to a limitation on that right that makes it more likely to be a privilege than anything else.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 9:49 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
The basic concept of the Right to the pursuit of happiness is that I have the right to do anything I want so long as it doesn’t infringe on someone else’s rights. Which means we have the right to consume ANY kind of media we see fit. It is not the governments place to tell me I can’t watch a show hosted by a foreign site legally.
Posted on Jan 16, 2012 | 9:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
If they can close your financial accounts without a trial, then your 5th Amendment ‘right’ has certainly been violated.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 1:24 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t see any notice to teh closing of financial accounts. It says they can cut you off from your accounts with an ad provider like adsense. NOT your bank account.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 4:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
and you think that that’s not enough? haha Just wait until it happens to you.
Posted on Jan 06, 2012 | 10:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Did not read the article? Interesting. Anyhoo, the article specifically mentions payment providers like PayPal.
Guess what would have happened to WikiLeaks within hours of the leaked cables if SOPA had gone through? They would have said it violates copyrights, cut it from DNS, frozen all accounts, etc. pp.
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 | 5:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Your right we doin’t but a meida company can simple take down a website with out due prosses just because they used a pic or clip from your movie. It also would ignore the part of the copy right act that protects reviw and satire. This is going to turn out like DMCA and be totaly abused, and if you think these corperations woin’t apuse it then you have another thing coming. Yes are rights have been violated because the fith amendment gose: “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
Posted on Dec 25, 2011 | 1:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
When does Piracy fall under free speech?
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:59 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah that was kind of a stretch… It’s such a go to word in these debates. The anti-competitive nature bothers me much more though.
It also reeks of US arrogance to single out foreign sites. It’s definitely going to be much harder for foreign content providers to compete in the US market. Just wait until someone blocks spotify simply because they have reason to believe they infringe IP. Remember they don’t even need to be told to do so by the government. So who’s going to do quality control on this before the harm is done? What does it cost Spotify if this causes them to be down for even just a day in the US. Hell, I wouldn’t want to be the one paying that bill.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 8:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s not extreme at all. The world isn’t going to end all at once. It’s going to die a little piece at a time. Thats how they get us. They propose these seemingly reasonable restrictions a little at a time, and each one makes the next more exceptable. Before you know it the government will control every aspect of your life. They will tell you what you can eat. What you can do for fun. Who you can marry. How many kids you can have. If can have kids. If you can marry. What job you can have. It all starts with taking away small freedoms “for the betterment of mankind”.
Posted on Jan 16, 2012 | 8:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s because we can’t here everyone over YOUR whimpering!!
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Everyone knows that the quote is from TS Eliot, no one understands how you think it applies to this issue.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 7:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s a slippery slope argument, regardless.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 1:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Props to Representative Issa for standing up to his own party on this.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:37 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
SOPA has bipartisan support so he’s standing up to both the reds and the blues.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:38 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
True, but considering the committee chairman is from his own party, it’s more notable
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The RIAA/MPAA contribute to both sides, so that they can get bullshit like this rammed through.
Neither side is any less guilty than the other.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:41 PM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
Speaking of the RIAA, I couldn’t believe this when I read it yesterday. You’d almost think they’d be against SOPA if they wanted to continue to dabble in free TV Shows.
RIAA Pirates
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I prefer to collectively call the RIAA and the MPAA the Music And Film Industry Associations of America.
See what I did there?
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:00 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
MAFIAA? One to many “A’s”. But good joke.
Or it would be, if it wasn’t disturbingly close to reality.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:45 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Some one did something calling them the MAFIAA
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 8:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Pfft, I first came up with that acronym like 2 years ago
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 11:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
no you copied it from facebook which was copied from reddit which was pasted from a private forum which was originally thought up by a goat….sorry
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 9:58 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
It is possible for different minds to converge on great ideas without crosstalk or copying.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 11:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
true but the goat says he was first.
he’s like that..
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 6:33 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I don’t know any goats, so I’ll just have to take your word for that.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 7:45 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The content industry says it is not, and they make the laws. Sorry.
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 | 5:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This isn’t really a party issue at all. The opposition and support both go across party lines.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:06 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Why don’t these sites hosting “illegally copied content” get all their users to update their bookmarks to go directly to the IP address now? It’d render the DNS part of SOPA redundant immediately.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
That’s exactly what they’ll do. A ten year old can subvert the methods defined in SOPA and PIPA to prevent piracy.
So then they’ll outlaw tools like Tor, etc. that have legitimate uses in countries where the liberties we take for granted are suppressed. That is the outrage of a bill like this.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
I wasn’t sure if this would impact Tor; knowing that it does makes these bills more heinous.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Technically, this bill would make it illegal to use a proxy or certain encrypted connections because they could be used to bypass the Great Firewall of America.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 1:12 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Back to radios and TVs this newfangled tech is too complicated for big business..
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 8:48 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Maybe I don’t understand but… even if the US “banned” Tor, how exactly would that affect people in other countries using it?
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 12:38 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Absolutely. SOPA and PIPA are deplorable, but aren’t OVERLY threatening in application, because they’re easily worked around. What is much more dangerous is the fact that this is clearly step two (DMCA being step one) in a list that probably has about 14 steps, the last of which being “every citizen has an online identity tied to their social security number, and can only access web content previously approved by such-and-such governmental department.” This is why I don’t want our federal government within 100 miles of “net neutrality”, because….well, just apply SOPA and PIPA to that…
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 1:05 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I am sure that if it does pass there would be specific websites that popup and act as DNS servers. Pretty much a site where you enter the url of the page that is blocked and it redirects you to that IP address.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That would be too easy to do. As a matter of fact, it would take all of 30 minutes to write a ping application and attach it to a web server that uses pings a foreign DNS and returns the connection path to the user.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 1:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
can i ask you something? the article states .com and .org domains are exempt because they’re already american, but I can’t come up with a single torrent site that’s any different. Also, i thought thepiratebay.ORG was swedish. website domains 101, pretty please?
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 7:03 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I (think) that the body that oversees, doles out and administers .com and .org domains is based in the US (I think it’s straight through ICANN, isn’t it?), so whilst you can buy and use those domains in other countries, they’re “rented” from a US-based organisation.
If a US company registered a .co.uk domain through a US registrar, it would be the UK-based Nominet who still has overall control over it and any disputes.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 4:15 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Correct, but that’s limited to the domain and those can already be seized by the government.
But it’s different when you actually burden a third party like an ISP or financial service with the actual take down.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 8:26 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Dynamic IPs. Even some larger websites use them. Normally when the IP that your computer stores no longer points to it’s domain or expires, it asks a DNS server where the new IP is for that domain. if the IP address that the DNS has got changed or expired, then the DNS would ask the .com, .net, etc. server where the new IP for that domain is.
Basically, your idea would work but only for a short time, then your Internet would be broken whether that site was blocked by the Great Firefall of America or not.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 7:53 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Much easier to just manually set up a foreign dns server in your connection settings… Guess what, pirates are going to figure that out. But legitimate businesses will have to suffer through this bullshit and lose potential legitimate customers… If only the big content providers were more open to the idea of modern day digital distribution they would realize this actually hurts their industry… But that’ll never happen.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 8:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My biggest question is how do we, US citizens, fight it? What can we do at this point?
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Write, call, fax, e-mail et al. your senators and congressmen. Doesn’t sound like much, but it does put the pressure on them.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:40 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
I agree completely. However, when I went to call my representative about the issue, I was put on hold, and then hung up on. This probably isn’t the case with everyone, but it’s worth noting.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I interned on the Hill last summer, and it was general policy that only obnoxious and foul-mouthed callers got hung up on (after a warning). Boo on your rep’s office for not taking your concern seriously.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:48 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
their job is to be connected with the people the represent…. its like having to write the pilot of a plan in order to correct his flight pattern. this really doesn’t feel like democracy when all we can do is apply pressure, and the pressure they are getting from large profiting companies is even greater.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re in a republic, not a democracy.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 1:41 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
We’re in a plutocracy, not a republic.
Posted on Jan 17, 2012 | 12:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Can’t you make referendums in America? Called propositions?
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 11:31 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Here’s an easy way to send an email to your congressman:
http://www.engineadvocacy.org/voice/
You should also sign the petition, in case it gets to Obama, hopefully he will Veto it.
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/veto-sopa-bill-and-any-other-future-bills-threaten-diminish-free-flow-information/g3W1BscR
Please, everybody, don’t just say you’re going to do it, do it. I’ve seen the power of people on the internet actually work with the whole ATT/T-Mobile debacle. I know the public’s slamming of the FCC website had an impact.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:25 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Why have only 40,000 people signed it in a country of 300 million? Does the average person not care about SOPA?
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 11:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The average person is a moron. 40,000 in about 3 days is impressive, even the White house knows that.
Posted on Dec 27, 2011 | 11:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
the sad part is when you are not from the US and you know you are going to get fucked and can’t do anything about it :-(
Posted on Jan 06, 2012 | 10:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s possible (probable) that I’m just really dumb, but I can’t figure out how to actually sign that petition.
Posted on Jan 17, 2012 | 12:32 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I remember your conversation with Leo Laporte on Tech News Today, and the fact of the matter is it sounds like he just “gave up” and accepted all forms of piracy. For the most part, if someone is 100% dedicated to getting content illegally, no system will stop them, but I think the low-hanging fruit should certainly be out of reach.
Plus, this really screws with small developers sources of revenue. When Leo talks about “new business models”, that’s the code word for “ads”, and I don’t think nearly every business can run on ads for revenue. That’s silly.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:42 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Well, Leo and I were in complete agreement about SOPA being a terrible solution. We disagreed about the continuing importance of copyright law, which I think is still important but needs comprehensive reform. I’m going to write something bigger on that soon, but for now I’ve got a little something here: http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/22/2654506/the-license-allows-you-to-do-that-a-small-response-to-my-friend-leo
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:47 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
I think a really easy way to state your position is with the DMCA as an example. If someone hadn’t fought for the rights of companies like YouTube (which didn’t even exist when the law was written in 1998), we wouldn’t even have the safe harbor privilege, because there’s no way companies like Universal and Sony Pictures are going to willingly put that into the law.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:08 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Nilay,
Thanks for this article… I have actually become very vocal about SOPA with all my friends and have become a sort of activist on my (rather private) facebook page.
dagamer34,
I like your contrast with DMCA and I agree wholeheartedly.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 1:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It doesn’t have to be ads though.
Take TV for example. I don’t want to pay 100 per month to get a bunch of channels I’ll never watch and 90% of people won’t watch. However, I’d gladly pay for local programming, HBO, Showtime, and others (even if it were 100 per month in total, laughably) if there was a mechanism that I could. This gives me the choice to consume what I want. If I don’t agree with MSNBC of Fox News, why should I pay for their service?
Why should I be limited to watching content when they decide to air it? Why do I have to wait an entire year before I can buy a box set to see the episode I missed because I was busy? Or if you are lucky, they might upload it to their website… a month later. By then, you’ve already missed 3-4 episodes.
And so on…
There is a clear attachment to a lot of dead business models. Many of the things that are pirated are done so because the actual way of doing things today doesn’t make sense to my generation or the ones after that. And most of that is due to things being run by people who are 30-40 years older than me who can’t turn a PC on.
Furthermore, no one has ever proven that piracy actually has a negative (more than marginally so) economic effect at all. We talk about “lost sales” as if they existed at some point. No publisher (of video games, movies, music, etc) has ever come out and been able to say “I spent x, I made y, and piracy cost me z.” It’s because the analysis would cost more than they have lost due to pirates.
In the video game industry, PC gaming is just dying. It costs too much to produce a blockbuster title (BF3) to get 1 million people to buy it. It’s so much easier to spend half that, put it on the PS3 and 360 and get 20 million people to buy it.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 1:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
While I am ranting…
Why must every ****ing PC DVR tuner give you terrible quality when compared to a much larger TV? Why can we not have HDDs built into TVs to not even need DVR systems. It’s because we wouldn’t have to buy box sets anymore that they want to sell at 50+ dollars per season. a 3 TB HDD could easily store all of the TV I’d ever watch and it would cost me less than 200 dollars.
Why can’t I purchase the right to rent new releases at launch (even if the price is exorbitant) so I can watch it on my 60 inch 1080p TV?
If companies would stop lying to themselves about piracy, the problem would already be fixed.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 1:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There is something about the simplicty of my online purchase of ‘Louis CK: Live at the Beacon Theater’ that sets my heart ablaze.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:45 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I found it more involved than buying from Amazon or iTunes personally, but that’s mostly because I rarely ever use paypal. I think if you’re strictly talking about simplicity, iTunes and Amazon(as well as Steam for games) have been ‘there’ for years when it comes to digital purchasing content. DRM on videos is a concern sometimes, but it is only a matter of time before that disappears as well(as it did with music).
I assume you are more referring to the directness of having the content creator also be the content publisher and knowing that your $5 went directly to CK and he paid for the production out of pocket and all. I agree, that is a neat model when it works well, but it doesn’t entirely invalidate the old model either, and Louis’ success with it still rests, in part, on the shoulders of his established success with past projects(that were created and published with outside sources between him and your dollar). Also, it was “only” a comedy special. You don’t exactly need an ace production crew to film someone doing standup(though he did a very good job with the production regardless). The day we see a movie produced independently that rivals a Transformers 3(note, T3 is a terrible movie don’t get me wrong) in terms of scope and sheer bleeding edge audio/visual prowess then I will be willing to buy that the old system is dead and obsolete. Until then, we are at a point where the old system, as bloated and ineffectual as it may seem(again, Transformers 3 is a terrible movie, but it is still a technical masterpiece) still wields a lot of power and capability that strictly independent “Content creator as producer/publisher” models can’t really rival.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They’re working on it. It may be a ways off, but not as far as you may think.
Case in point: Project London: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72jsvyGON6Y&list=FLS7cnMMo5mR9FtZErUbO-Mg&index=1&feature=plpp_video
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The directness and the fair price without having any strings attached. Due to the lack of a middle man in that arrangement the price was low enough to negate the need for legal strings. That is one less piece of artistic work for SOPA to worry about.
I agree that it is difficult for projects on a larger scale, but more artists should try this where possible. By taking control of their own work they can both publish how-when-what they want and cash-in like never before.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 7:42 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
But… omg. Imagine how much money he’d have gotten if it had convoluted DRM and stopped all of the rampant piracy that is inevitable.
Sure… he got 1 million in 12 days, but in a month, everyone will just pirate it and he will go broke.
/s
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 2:01 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A slightly more technical question. Does the bill take into account mirroring of content? Say a pirate in Russia posts something on a CDN and it gets mirrored automatically to a data center in Virginia. Does SOPA show any understanding of that kind of nuance?
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:46 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
SOPA itself isn’t that sophisticated, but the language is broad enough to encompass ISPs having to filter packets to prevent access to foreign domains regardless of where the servers are physically located. Here’s the line in SOPA section 102:
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Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:51 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I don’t agree with it, but now that it’s explained it doesn’t seem as horrific as it seemed. Definitely though, let’s fight to keep this dead so that it doesn’t set a precedent.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Dear Nilay,
More Articles like this. Less reviews about phones no one will want in two weeks..
Looking forward to OPEN act next week. Everyone call their congressman! I did earlier this week and plan to again before the hearings start again.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:49 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
I like the reviews of phones and articles like these. You take what you get and if you’re not interested, well, I guess you can go back to Engadget.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:55 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Engadget actually has way more useless phone articles. I find the Verge is much better, as far as that goes.
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 | 3:31 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Is it too much to ask for both? I find both to be very useful and interesting.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 7:57 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
But the Verge team seems to be always pretty busy with the vergecast and On The Verge and all the news, discussions, comments and of course extensive reviews.
Articles like this one, aiming on informing and forming opinions about huge aspects of past, present and future technology and the web are less common and way more relevant. So I agree in cutting back some of the less important reviews (or shortening them) so that the Verge can focus on this stuff AND be able to get some hours of sleep everyday :)
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 8:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i happen to like the reviews and informative articles like this. after all this IS a TECH site. why can’t we have the best of both worlds?!
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 12:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice post
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:53 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
I sure am going to miss due process. By the way, what’s to stop people from getting a bunch of really small content companies and then shutting down the larger media companies for SOPA violations? Given the lack of proof required, this should be easy to do! We can shut down every company ever!
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:53 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Welcome to the new world of politics. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, because I am not, but it is painfully obvious that a number of regulations and laws passed are able to eliminate competition from smaller competitors while giving the large companies that paid for them via lobbying get exemptions.
I’m all for some of the stuff the government is doing with the exception that it ought to apply to everyone, equally. (for example. . .) If Mattel wants to lobby for toy safety inspections because their toys (which are manufactured in 3rd world countries) continuously are found to have lead in them, then Mattel should not be granted an exemption. Nor should you apply said legislation to toy manufacturers who do not mass produce their toys.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 2:09 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This bill does not go far enough. Piracy is a real job killer. Congress should authorize the military to deploy drone strikes against domestic pirates. We need to save our economy from these thieves. Maybe after a couple of pirates have had their homes blown to pieces they will understand that theft is a real crime with real consequences.
What impact would this bill have on cloud services like Dropbox, Google Docs or iCloud?
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 4:54 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
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Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:11 PM EST reply Recommend (18) Flag actions
I think that one “Recommend” thumb was from someone madly trying to click the “Reply” button too quickly to respond to your insane comment.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 11:08 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The problem with your idea is that pirates are clever and use proxies and VPN’s and stuff like that, and with the IP system these days it’s all to easy to mistake someone else for a pirate.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 6:26 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 7:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Err…SOPA won’t shut down the bootleg DVD stand. or unauthorized Mickey Mouse T-shirts, or designer handbag kirfs, or unauthorized NFL merchandise etc. etc. etc. What does the first paragraph of your post have to do with SOPA (just sayin)?
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Points out how retarded SOPA is.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:21 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
It had to do with the second paragraph
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:32 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Thank you. Sorry…high and drunk…I apologize :-)
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:41 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Nice Scumbag Steve meme right here.
MAKES A MISTAKE
BLAMES ON ALCOHOL AND DRUGS.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 8:10 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The MPAA and RIAA don’t care about them. They just care about how a billion people can pirate a movie (or song) in less than an hour.
Bootleggers are small time. It’s like the War on Drugs. They send the police to rough up the dealers but what they really want is to get at the guys financing the whole operation.
Sadly, they’re doing about as well with the War on Drugs as they are the War on Piracy.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 2:12 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
KILL THIS BILL WWITH FFIRE AND BLAST IT WITH PISS.
My God.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
♫♫
Here at the SOPA
SOPA cabana
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Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:18 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
Stuck in my head now sir…
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
♫♫
The place where SOPA
SOPA can ban ya
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Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 6:24 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Video
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 7:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I know I will probably get flammed again for this, but with one caveat, Sopa seems pretty logical: if you cannot hit the pirates directly because they are hiding a foriegn country, cut them off from their source of money:ads and traffic. Furthermore, given the existing domainsystem in the US, there have been very few incorrectly-seized domains. Seems like the system works.
Now… that caveat. What sort of review process is in place? Nilay, ypu didn’t mention that.
That being said, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for moochers, and this system will not ‘break’ the internet in taking down their little endeavors, as many claim.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:20 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Independently… So even if there would be a review process it would happen in hindsight when the damage is done. Which is the biggest reason this law is flawed.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 8:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That’s all i would require. As long as someone who is inaccurately shut down has some kind of recourse to get it corrected, I’d say its fair enough.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 10:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This bill is, to use a term you guys coined on the Verge Cast, reality infringing. It seems so…ridiculous! I live in France, but I still hope this does not get passed, even just as to not set a precedent for the rest of the world.
So ridiculous!
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Agreed… Shame France set a precedent with the three strike law though… There are few countries left who still get it right…
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 8:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So basically the government has set up a bill that “stops” piracy but at the same time gives powers that are easily abusable.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:25 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s scary, and look at the stunts the entertainment industry already pulls:
“Research suggests that most copyright takedown claims to search engines like Google are issued by companies targeting their competitors, and that nearly a third of takedown notices under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act lack a clear basis. "
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111217/22291717116/how-sopa-will-be-abused.shtml
Sites that were completely legal, still dead due to the abuse of powers they already have with DMCA:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111220/11021717143/veoh-still-perfectly-legal-also-still-dead-due-to-bogus-copyright-lawsuit.shtml
RIAA is so fishy
__, they want to control Google’s algorithm, jeebus what other powers do they want, to declare war?:http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111221/02404117153/riaa-whines-that-google-wont-let-it-program-googles-search-algorithm.shtml
I’ve been learning a lot about this over the last month, and it seems this will kill jobs, stifle innovation in tech (America’s last hope).
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111220/03135817138/myth-that-sopapipa-only-impact-foreign-sites.shtml
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
“… SOPA and PIPA are the effective equivalent of blowing up every road, bridge, and tunnel in New York to keep people from getting to one bootleg stand in Union Square — but leaving the stand itself alone.”
Actually, it’s more like renaming Union Square on all the maps and hoping no one can find it ever again.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:41 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Here is the reply I received:
Dear Henry,
Thank you for your correspondence regarding H.R. 3261, the Stop Online Piracy Act. I appreciate your input on this important issue.
H.R. 3261, introduced by Representative Lamar Smith (TX), allows the Attorney General to seek an injunction that would block access to foreign websites dedicated to intellectual property infringement. Intellectual property is any product conceptualized by an individual that has commercial value. This includes among other things patents, trademarks and trade secrets. Common intellectual property infringement includes pirated software, illegal distribution of music or movies, or counterfeit merchandise.
Many of these foreign sites appear legitimate to unsuspecting consumers, who are tricked into purchasing shoddy products or downloading pirated content like music, movies or games. Some of these counterfeiters sell imitation goods such as infant formula or baby shampoo that expose children to serious health risks. Illegal online pharmacies market counterfeit drugs to consumers. At best, these drugs may simply be ineffective; but at worst, they can be harmful, or even fatal to consumers. Additionally, individuals put themselves at risk to identity theft, credit card fraud, and exposure to malware and computer viruses by visiting and making transactions on these sites.
Under this bill, once the Attorney General formally seeks an injunction against a foreign website, the Justice Department must go to a federal judge and lay out the case against the site. If a federal judge agrees that the website in question is dedicated to illegal and infringing activity, then a court order can be issued directing companies to sever ties with the illegal website. Third-party intermediaries, like credit card companies and online ad providers, are only required to stop working with the site. They cannot be held liable for the illegal or infringing actions taken by the foreign website.
Under existing law, it is already illegal to operate domestic websites that infringe on intellectual property rights, just as it is illegal to operate a brick-and-mortar store selling pirated goods. H.R. 3261 simply extends those prohibitions to foreign infringing websites.
This legislation elicits vigorous debate on both sides of the issue and I appreciate all the input from constituents I have received on this bill. Unfortunately I believe there are several misconceptions of the bill that I would like to clear up.
First, H.R. 3261 does not restrict lawful free speech and is not a form of censorship. The fact is the bill establishes judicial review and requires judicial approval for a site to be shut down. Ultimately restricting sites from offering fake designer purses or selling copies of the latest Hollywood movie is not an unlawful restriction of an individual’s Constitutional right to freedom of speech.
Next, the bill would not require an entire site to be shut down if a single page is found to be infringing. H.R. 3261 allows a court to target only the portion of the site that is engaging in criminal activity or infringing, leaving access to or funding of the rest of the site alone.
Finally, the legislation does not require internet service providers to engage in any monitoring, supervising, or policing of their networks. It only requires them to take action at the direction of the Attorney General if a federal court rules that a foreign site is engaged in criminal activity for which seizure would apply if it were in the U.S. Just like 1998’s Digital Millennium Copyright Act, internet service providers are only required to take minimum steps, with no duty to monitor.
H.R. 3261 has been referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary, where it awaits further consideration. Please be assured that I will keep your thoughts in mind should this bill or any similar piece of legislation come to the floor of the House of Representatives for a vote during the 112th Congress.
Again, thank you for expressing your views on this crucial issue. I hope you will continue to contact me on federal matters of concern to you. If you would like regular updates, please sign up for my e-newsletter at http://hanabusa.house.gov.
Sincerely,
Colleen Hanabusa
Member of Congress
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sorry I forgot to add, doesn’t this response seem like the bill has good intentions?
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is what they want you to believe, and if you have some common sense and do your research you wouldn’t go and buy pirated merchandise if you don’t want it.
It seems to me that the government loves me so much the they want me protected from myself as well.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:59 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
A lot of individuals on the Internet just don’t take the time to sort through all the proponents arguments that claim the bill is truly for good, they hear “piracy” “counterfeit goods” “ROGUE foreign websites” and immediately think the bill is for good.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:03 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Intentions mean nothing if you give corporations the ability to act on this without government review. Espececially when these corporations have conflicting interests. I’m sure the intentions are good, but when executed like this, it will be heavily abused.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 9:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well if all this is true they have to lock down the whole Chinese economy.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Could you please explain further, I really would like to be further educated on the matter, everything just seems so freakin fishy, especially with the MPAA/RIAA behind this.
I dislike this style of paying for laws to be passed:
http://reporting.sunlightfoundation.com/2011/legacy-media-bankrolling-campaigns-of-SOPA-consponsors/
And this is super fishy, aides behind SOPA, get new jobs at MPAA:
http://boingboing.net/2011/12/11/congressional-staffers-behind.html
The threat of abuse seems large:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111220/11021717143/veoh-still-perfectly-legal-also-still-dead-due-to-bogus-copyright-lawsuit.shtml
As you can see I really want to learn more, I’ve been reading non stop since Novemeber 15,, and while i don’t understand completely there’s so much shady shit goin on behind the scenes:
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/14/2636680/universal-has-tech-news-today-episode-yanked-from-youtube-for
They already abuse the DMCA, this new SOPA/PIPA scares me, who knows what they’ll do to take out their competitors taking down the innocent and innovative as well =(
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Another thing that really irks me:
"Research suggests that most copyright takedown claims to search engines like Google are issued by companies targeting their competitors, and that nearly a third of takedown notices under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act lack a clear basis. "
According to: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111217/22291717116/how-sopa-will-be-abused.shtml
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They just want to take a piece of your freedom, one step at the time. The World’s real pirates are very patiently leading us to global slavery under our noses, look around your self. This bill will pass, trust me, the way they passed the Federal Reserve bill, while everyone was sleeping, and we are still suffering because of that.
I hope I am wrong, but history repeats itself and not in a good way, some how the dark forces always win, I wonder how it’s happening ?
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 5:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice write up, Nilay. Always like your explanatory pieces on these types of things.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 6:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
(Comment removed due to SOPA violation.)
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 7:05 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
There are more of us than there are of them. This won’t fly. And I don’t care what political party you are from, we all have to unite against crap like this
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 7:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thank you Nilay.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 7:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If this many people are doing it, it’s no longer piracy, it’s a flawed business model. What purpose do record companies serve nowadays that validates the massive industry they’ve build up? To me it looks like their CEO’s are furiously trying to retain the purpose of their copmany because the alternative would be firing 80 percent of their staff.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 7:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Did the writer of this honestly type “SOPA is a kneejerk reaction to the fundamental nature of the internet, which was explicitly designed to ignore outmoded and inconvenient concepts like the continuing existence of the United States.”
Excuse me? I’m sorry but you just lost a reader.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 7:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nilay’s articles regarding this kind of issues are among the reasons why The Verge is an unparalleled tech site.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 7:40 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
I find comfort in the fact that when our home world is at terrible risk from malevolent alien monsters, Nilay will be there to fill us in on the legal nuances.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 7:51 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Some commentators here are asking what piracy has to do with free speech.
The short answer is, it doesn’t. However, SOPA is like trying to murder one man in a building by blowing the whole damn thing up. Everybody dies.
SOPA allows the government and big corporations to censor the internet. What’s stopping them sensoring messages that are anti-government? What about websites about controversial topics that might put bad light on the government? They will likely be censored as well.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 7:49 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
exactly, it is COMPLETELY un american.
if piracy is the side effect of freedom, SO BE IT.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 8:25 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
then why dont the people start their own Revenge act AGAINST the companies proposing this crap?
where is the outcry to shut THEM down? or the bills to limit what they can do?
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 8:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There is no outcry because Americans are too lazy to resist. A bill like this in Europe would have caused a revolution because people have gone through this and remember. But that’s not the case in the USA. This democracy is nothing but some ink on paper.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 9:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A: It’s a republic, not a democracy.
B: The reason the vote was delayed and the committee stage extended was because of public outcry. We, unlike the Europeans, use lobbying groups and citizen representative groups like the EFF (unfortunately) to get our message across, as opposed to violent riots or revolution because we cannot torrent our illegally copied pr0n.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 9:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
to put it simple, a republic means your leader is not a monarch, a democracy means the people rule by electing their representatives, America is both a republic and a democracy.
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 11:32 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Democracy is popular majority mob rule. A Republic is designed to filter out the crazy. Sadly, it doesn’t seem to be working now that the politicians have figured out how to game the system. It’s become rule of the elite minority.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 12:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s a democratic republic. It’s not a monarchy, and the representatives are elected BY THE PEOPLE. The “elite minority” are elected by the people so don’t try to claim this isn’t a democracy.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 12:52 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s what I just said. It has become a democracy, but it was founded as a Republic.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 10:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s funny that you think you live in a democracy lol.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 11:35 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Seriously… You said THAT?
There haven’t been any violent riots about subjects like this. And I happen to prefer the focus on the voice of the people in a lot of European countries unlike the voice of the lobbying corporations in the US. The later doesn’t exactly benefit the consumer and thus the 99%.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 9:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
because we like are entertaiment
Posted on Dec 25, 2011 | 3:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nilay, great piece. More articles like this please. You have a tremendous platform and a unique ability to simplify complex subjects. I’m paying attention and I have high expectations for, you specifically. Keep on pushin’!
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 8:42 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The rest of the world now laughs at America, the self entitled “land of the free”
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 11:24 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Can someone explain what all this means to someone outside the US?
Posted on Dec 22, 2011 | 11:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
nothing, it is a bill in the us house
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 12:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Go search on YouTube a video called “WTF is SOPA?” by a TotalHalibut. I might have forgotten a bit the points he made, but he did hires research on it quite thoroughly, IMO.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 5:23 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Say I own a website, explosionshurt.com.au. and it hosts anti-US-Government messages.
Since I’m in Australia, US legislation cannot harm me directly. However, they can use alternate methods to get my website shut down. To keep my website running I likely have ad services. Generally, the ad servers are hosted in the US. The US Government can order the ad services to cut off my website, and blocking my revenue stream.
Maybe my website became really popular and I had to host it on Amazon’s servers. The US Government can order Amazon to cut of service to my website.
While they can’t order my website to be shut down directly, they can cut of any part of it that relies on the US in some way.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 6:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What you’re saying makes no sense… There would be no legal grounds whatsoever to take down the website you’re describing with or without this bill. It’s about copyright infringement, not anti government messages.
Now I will assume you suggest that it can be abused to this extent, but that’s a stretch. As long as you don’t infringe on US copyright you should be perfectly fine just calling the us government crooks (and rightfully so). I’m against this bill as much as you are, but please use the right arguments to fight it.
Buzz words like free speech, censorship and anti-government messages are starting to sound like white noise… They become meaningless if you bend every argument into something about them.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 9:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nilay got owned by Leo Laporte last week on TWIT….Quite funny to see the young Nilay defending the 1%’s
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 12:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not everyone who creates and commercializes content is part of the “1%”
It’s crazy to hold the position that we should stop caring about theft because no matter what it will happen. You can say that about any crime.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 12:43 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yes, Leo won with a new high score and put his initials into the H.R. 3261 public discourse arcade machine.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 10:41 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So I figure that outside of the USA, this bill won’t be affecting anybody? As the author said, the bill will keep the metaphorical counterfeit stand alone, it’s just they’ll burn all the bridges in the USA that allow you to get to it.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 6:01 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’ll effect legitimate businesses outside the us who operate in us markets. They are more likely to be confronted with added legal costs and risk of unjustified takedowns by their direct US competitors in some cases… But it doesn’t look like it’ll effect consumers outside the US much.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 9:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So, how would the act deal with overseas ISPs…?
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 7:01 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What everyone is conveniently forgetting is why this stuff is being proposed in the first place; people are stealing. If you download movies through bit torrent, you need to STFU. It’s YOUR fault this is happening. This is kind of like blaming your parents for grounding you because you violated your curfew – over and over again.
If we didn’t have a bunch of irresponsible, immature internet anarchists out there who don’t respect the intellectual property of others, this wouldn’t even be an issue. As George Carlin said, it’s not the politicians that suck, it’s the public that sucks.
SOPA may or may not suck, but I haven’t seen an alternative solution. If you oppose a proposed solution to a problem, offer your own. Also, read the legislation yourself and don’t blindly rely on someone else’s interpretation of it.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 10:24 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1w6GtwOvnWM#!
Here is a great video about SOPA depicting an old man reminiscingon the days before internet went to hell.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 10:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The duplicity of CBS beggars belief.
This site is dedicated to documenting this historic discovery where one of America’s greatest media companies finds itself publicly exposed as an irresponsible hypocrite, that has ruined the lives of hundreds of thousands of people in the creative community and created copyright infringement damages into the trillions of dollars..
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 10:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
( http://www.filmon.com/cbsyousuck )
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 11:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Be a HERO and Help STOP SOPA Now!! I’ll tell you How! This Video that Must Be SHARED!
http://youtu.be/WJIuYgIvKsc
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 11:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
$5.00 a dvd movie!? Man, that’s ambitious enough…. In México most pirate CDs and DVDs cost less than a dollar!! Besides the awful fact that to promote it in the subway implies that you’ll hear their mp3 contents VERY LOUD!! It’s an awful, awful thing, the piracy.
Although, that act sound repressive and the first step to control the internet.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 11:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If you keep the price high enough – still cheap, but not too cheap, then it’s easier for people to mistake it as a legitimate store.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 11:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The screenshot in the article , I think, is from this video :
http://goo.gl/shlZl
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 12:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
KKR, Silver Lake and Technology Crossover Ventures own GoDaddy which is currently supporting SOPA; They will likely listen to the tech community if we ask them politely to help us stop SOPA.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 12:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t see why the people who don’t pirate content have any reason to be worried. It seems like everyone who is against this is upset because their illegal content will be blocked. And even the firefox has an add-on to get around it so i don’t see what the big deal is.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 2:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The power to direct all U.S based search engines to filter certain content is dangerous enough. The power to censor websites that are legal in other countries is even more alarming. This looks exactly like the great firewall of china.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 2:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The problem is that SOPA gives too much power to the government. It basically allows the government to cut of the revenue supply of ANY website.
The government might say that they’re doing it for piracy now, but what’s stopping them turning around a week later after SOPA has passed and banning all websites that could bring them out of government?
It’s a known fact that ALL governments go corrupt if you give them too much power.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 6:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This bill only allows them to do anything when The website is infringing copyright. So that’s stopping them from turning around a week later and banning all websites. That would require a completely new bill if they want to take it down based on other grounds… It’s irrelevant to this discussion.
Also I would like to see the studies you base your last statement on. And don’t just give me a few examples, you claim ALL governments go corrupt. So give me definitive proof on that and I’ll agree with you.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 9:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It dosn’t give to much power to the goverment its the media coprerations
Posted on Dec 25, 2011 | 2:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks so much for the article. Helped me understand this a lot better.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 3:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, just imagine what the Swedish Pirate Party would say about this!
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 5:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sopa also means soup in Spanish, and now you know!
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 6:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
We need to find a compromise between rights holders and the internet.
If the DMCA was reworked made that could help. I don’t like the bill because it allows systems like YouTube to be easily gamed but there needs to be some sort of middle ground.
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 6:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So let me get this straight: SOPA only effects foreign websites? And US websites can already be seized for copyright? If so, then I have a few questions:
1. Why don’t sites like MegaUpload (megaupload.com – so a US site) get seized for copyright under current law? What with the whole MegaUpload song thing that happened recently, you would think the movie companies could just take MegaUpload to court and win easily. So what am I missing?
2. Why do articles like this: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111114/03594616763/canadians-realizing-that-their-websites-will-get-swept-up-sopa-censorship.shtml complain that Canadian sites are considered domestic? Wouldn’t that be a good thing for Canadian sites giving that SOPA is directed towards foreign websites?
Posted on Dec 23, 2011 | 11:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Courts take too long. RIAA/MPAA want to stop competition now.
I mean… stop piracy now.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 2:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well then maybe we should look into speeding up the court process instead of giving companies the power to bypass it. (Not directed at you – this is just me thinking aloud)
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 3:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
this is as bad as the creatures from jekyl island. this is a violation. can we please focus on telling people who don’t know, thus don’t know to read these comments, that this is a very important issue. think positive, smile, laugh and make a difference every day no matter what days are significant to you. watch ’ dispicable me ’.
Posted on Dec 24, 2011 | 4:02 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
We love you, Nilay :) Article may be bias, which generally is a bad thing, but in this case it’s hard to see the positive aspect of the bill.
On another note, tho people have probably said it before, Sopa means Trash in Swedish!
Posted on Dec 25, 2011 | 12:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OH and this is who are for it Lamar Smith (R-TX) Howard Berman (D-CA), Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), Mary Bono Mack (R-CA), Steve Chabot (R-OH), John Conyers (D-MI), Ted Deutch (D-FL), Elton Gallegly (R-CA), Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), Timothy Griffin (R-AR), Dennis A. Ross (R-FL), Adam Schiff (D-CA) and Lee Terry (R-NE) Motion Picture Association of America, the Recording Industry Association of America, Macmillan Publishers, Viacom, and various other companies and unions in the cable, movie, and music industries. AFL-CIO and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce NBCUniversal, Pfizer, Ford Motor Company, Revlon, NBA, and Macmillan Fraternal Order of Police, the National Governors Association, the U.S. Conference of Mayors, the National Association of Attorneys General, the Better Business Bureau, and the National Consumers League. Business Software Alliance Go Daddy Bill Clinton Mike McCurry George W. Bush Mark McKinnon
Posted on Dec 25, 2011 | 2:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And against Nancy Pelosi Darrell Issa (R-CA), Ron Paul (R-TX), International Trade Commission, Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, Twitter, AOL, LinkedIn, eBay, Mozilla Corporation, the Wikimedia Foundation, Reporters Without Borders,83 the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the ACLU, and Human Rights Watch. Julian Sanchez, think tank Cato Institute, American Library Association, Tumblr, Mozilla, Techdirt, the Center for Democracy and Technology, Paul Graham, Y Combinator, New York Times and Los Angeles Times, Jimmy Wales, European Union, and that guy with the glasses.
Posted on Dec 25, 2011 | 2:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I am a professor in an Italian University, I am paid by the Italian state for discovering new knowledge and teaching it to our students.
As I feel that no property rights can be claimed over human knowledge, I make available on my web site all my scientific publications, including sound, image and video samples. I make them available to everyone, not just to my students – of course for free.
And the 5 Gbytes hosted on my web site include a lot of copyrighted material (although I am usually author or co-author of it, so I have at least part of that copyright).
This is perfectly lawful under Italian law, which states “it is allowed to freely publish through the Internet, free of charge, images and music at low resolution or degraded, for teaching or scientific use only, if not done for profit” (comma 1-bis art.70 law 22 April 1941, n. 633, as amended in December 2007).
This means that it is absurd to consider systematically “criminal” the distribution of copyrighted audiovisual material (of degraded quality) over the Internet, this can be perfectly lawful, as in my case.
I am not a pirate, I am just an academic teacher doing my job, being paid by the State, and strictly following the (Italian) law.
Now, if SOPA is approved, my whole web site will be banned from the USA branch of Internet, cutting approximately at half the possibility to disseminate my scientific findings worldwide.
Furthermore, it could even become dangerous for me traveling to USA for conferences or scientific cooperation, as I could risk to be jailed…
Before closing the doors of Internet to foreign sites which “distribute copyrighted material”, the USA government should think about the fact that American copyright laws are not identical in other countries, and that for humanity it is of much greater value the possibility to share knowledge than protecting the rights of some publisher or copyright owner to get some money whenever one wants to access the knowledge “that they own”.
NO ONE CAN CLAIM TO OWN KNOWLEDGE, that is a common property of all humankind, and people as me, who are paid for creating and disseminating it, cannot accept limitations on its distribution, just for granting some money to companies who lucrate on the fact that, in the past, access to knowledge had to pass through expensive media such as printed journals, optical discs, etc….
And please note that art, in my view, is definitely part of human knowledge (perhaps the better part). So it makes no sense to “protect” from “piracy” beautiful music, paintings, photos and films. We teach our students to love them, we spend hours in the classroom explaining their hidden meanings and what are the secrets for creating such amazing expressions of the human talent, and we should be banned from the right of providing degraded-quality copies of such operas to everyone for elevating the human knowledge?
Posted on Dec 26, 2011 | 11:46 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Its pretty much true what you say, knowledge is something that needs to be shared if not, then what use is for it?
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 1:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
People ought to boycott these damn media companies. They can take their bullshit wack content and shove it up their ass.
Posted on Dec 26, 2011 | 7:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
because I want my entertaiment
Posted on Dec 30, 2011 | 7:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m tired of being entertained. I want more out of life than that.
Posted on Jan 15, 2012 | 4:46 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Did anyone see the weird article about Obama approving SOPA?
http://wp.me/p1wVus-9v
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 | 3:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I oppose SOPA and PIPA on the grounds that they grant inappropriate powers to government and its cronies, but the loudness of the opposition to it leaves me feeling vaguely disgusted. If this much energy and outrage was put into making the theft of intellectual property socially unacceptable- chances are these kind of bills would not even be suggested.
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 | 4:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I have yet to see any tangible evidence that piracy harms our economy strongly in any way. People still buy movies and music if they really like them, and they still go to the movies if they really want to see it, because some download will not cut it.
The movie and music industries report higher profits than ever, and did not fire a single person or downsize in any way because of these reported incredible losses that materialize nowhere. Who is harmed, and where? Why are they doing so well? If American jobs are lost because of it, why the eff are no American jobs lost because of it?
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 | 5:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think it’s very difficult to prove the level of harm piracy causes, but that doesn’t make it ok. On principle, your creation should be yours to give away or charge for as you see fit. I oppose piracy on principle, not on evidence that x people lost their job.
The litmus test is easy: what if everyone stole their movies/music/books/patents/trademarks/etc? things would fall apart quickly. I don’t give away my time to my employer- I wouldn’t ask the creator of of my favorite media to do that either. So, yes, there is an argument to be made that the harm piracy causes is dubious, and you can certainly argue that how an industry responds to piracy or changing technology might have worse repercussions than what they originally oppose, but neither fact changes the principle that stealing the fruits of someone else’s time, talent and effort is wrong.
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 | 9:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What I don’t understand: All those people who think SOPA makes sense: How do you want to handle foreign DNS servers that can be used by everyone everywhere? Their express purpose is not in distributing copyrighted materials or circumventing SOPA (because SOPA is not in effect and they already operate, and have for decades).
Do you want to block them too? Do you want to make using them illegal, even though it already happens for myriads of legal reasons now, and not just to circumvent SOPA? Do you just want to allow them, so any ten-year-old just stops using US DNS servers? It does not make sense.
Posted on Jan 18, 2012 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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Posted on Jan 18, 2012 | 9:01 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
No tickling story, SOPA is not a name of a girl like Sopa Spears. It is a threat to creativity, including to bloggers who enlighten the world with tickling stories.
Posted on Jan 19, 2012 | 6:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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