I have a kneejerk reaction to most modern computer user interfaces (also, all microwave user interfaces). I've used plenty of excuses over the years: my "eye for design," my love of minimalism, a sense of utility. Today, I finally put my finger on it, and it's not just a desire for the-computer-as-pure-machine, or a spartan aesthetic. It's quite simple, really: I don't like the condescending tone.
Growing up I was always very small for my age. I didn't mind the size ("the bigger they are, the harder they fall!" was my rallying cry), but I hated being thought of as younger than I was, be it in physical or intellectual capabilities. When you're a knowledge sponge as a kid, the first time someone tells you something, it feels amazing, and you love that person. The second time someone tells you the same fact, it's pure torture. "I know this already, I'm not an idiot! Sheesh."
My problem with many modern UIs is that they never get past the telling phase. They're always dressing up their various functions with glows and bevels and curves, and in the process they somehow become overbearing to my senses. "Did you know you can click this? Don't forget there's a save button over here! Let me walk you to your control panel." Imagine a car that verbally explains all of its various knobs and levers the first time you get into the car. Wonderful, right? Now imagine that car explaining all of these various functions every single time you get in the car for the next five years, until you finally snap and drive it off a cliff.

An example of this is the dramatic, quasi-utilitarian animated transition. The first few times, it's conveying important information: click that button? That launches this action! Swoosh. The next 10,000 times, it's mainly just slowing me down. A "wizard" is supposed to ask a pertinent question that eventually leads me to a specific control panel, but once I know the actual control panel I want, the friendly "wizard" is more like a guard at the gates. The Ribbon in Microsoft Office products (which is making its way to the file manager in Windows 8) is constantly talking down to me, assuming I don't know how to use a menu, a key command, or a honest-to-goodness toolbar.

But it's not just functionality, there's something deeper that bugs me, about the decorations themselves. Like the ubiquitous drop shadow. "Did you know that this window is on top of this window?" it whispers to me, endlessly. Apple's love of reflections and faux 3D subtly imply to me that I might be lost, needing landmarks and a sense of place to find my way. Microsoft's oddly-sized minimize / maximize / close buttons in Windows 7 are only there to help, but they also hint at some lack of eye-hand coordination on my part. Soft edges, endless gradients, and rounded corners seem designed to keep me from hurting myself on an acute angle, as if the desktop is a choke-proof toy for babies, instead of a sharpened pencil. A huge graphical icon representing an app might look incredible and enticing, but after a while it's sort of oversharing. It's constantly reintroducing itself, in case I didn't catch its name the first time.

And of course, there is the transgression of the century: Apple's downward spiral into overt 1:1 metaphors. The physical bookshelf, the leather desk calendar (complete with a torn page), the false-paginated address book, whatever Game Center is trying to pull off. At least Cover Flow's LP-flipping simulation was cute and emergent, if quickly tiresome, but these new tricks are horrible and offensive. They're not only condescending and overwrought, they're actually counter-functional. For some true analysis of Apple's recent sins in this department, check out John Siracusa's in-depth look over at Ars Technica.
For reference, here's where we started:
Oh, how "far" we've come!

Of course, seeking out an aesthetically pleasing interface seems a nice goal. The muted chrome of Lion is really (relatively) wonderful, and I like the vibrant color palette of Windows 7. These are truly great efforts, by great designers, but I still can't help but feel like they're taking the operating systems I knew, in all their "ugly" 1990s glory, and dressing them up in Little Lord Fauntleroy suits. Perhaps without the limitations of a finite number of colors and pixels to force simplicity, UI designers just don't know what to do with themselves. I'd argue they do too much. Luckily, OS X has improved some over recent years, reining in the horrible early 2000s excesses of Aqua (minus the aforementioned iCal and Address Book), but Microsoft's traditional, windowed desktop experience seems to be trending in the opposite direction.

Ultimately, an OS is much more than its chrome, it's about what it can do, and how efficiently it can do it. I know plenty of people who, like me, pine for BeOS. Many of us never even used BeOS, or at least not seriously. And yet we check up on the Haiku blog (Haiku is an open source project to rebuild BeOS from the ground up) every month or so, hoping against hope that BeOS will return to save us from overwrought UI, and the overwrought kernels underneath. BeOS is purely digital, with a sort of 8-bit charm, complete with pixel-perfect isometric icons. It's much like the appeal of "retro" indie games, which deal in our native, shared gaming language and metaphors, not something borrowed from action movies or an overblown sense of virtual reality. But it's all a fantasy, really: I'll probably never be able to do even a fraction of my daily work on Haiku. Just like how my SNES will never run Skyrim.
Maybe Microsoft's excellent "Metro" design language, which is on Windows Phone, and is headed to the Xbox and the Windows 8 Start screen, is the answer. Microsoft itself describes Metro as "authentically digital," which seems like a great place to start. Still, even Metro seems to be a little over-designed at times, with its oversized fonts bleeding off the screen, low information density, and an abundance of swoops and swipes. It's saying "look how minimal I am," but in the loudest way possible. I'm still waiting for my UI knight in shining armor.

In my personal quest to escape the condescension, I recently switched my Windows 7 install over to the "Classic Theme," which is basically Windows 95 incarnate, just with all the under-the-hood improvements I've come to rely on. I really like it. It feels right, and if it isn't beautiful, at least it's honest. I wish there was a similar OS 9 mode for OS X. Sometimes I like to dink around in Terminal, accomplishing nothing, but at least knowing that I'm engaging the computer on my own terms, with no buffer. Maybe someday someone can port over the old NeXT UI to OS X, or perhaps Mac OS X Server 1.0's approximation of OS 9's chrome. The retro affectations are silly and quixotic, but at least now I know why I put myself through these contortions. I'm a grown up! Sheesh.

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I know what you mean about microwave user interfaces! I still can’t figure those things out!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:14 PM EST reply Recommend (26) Flag actions
Seriously. It’s so bad. Not only are they all terrible, but they’re all different. Plus these pre-sets for different foods just complicate things. I haven’t seen a straight cook / defrost + numpad in years.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:20 PM EST reply Recommend (47) Flag actions
I still don’t understand why cooking appliances have a setting other than high. (not seriously)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:22 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Perhaps you can slow cook a roast in the microwave?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:23 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
That would be a crime against roasts. Use a crockpot!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:17 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
But brown the roast first.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I love how everyone’s talking about Microwave UIs to distract from the fact that they probably don’t agree with the article but don’t want to upset Paul :)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:50 PM EST reply Recommend (29) Flag actions
You good sir, need 10 “Recommends”!
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 6:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
that’s what he got..
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 2:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Very true – and it’s proliferated down the page. The thing is – Paul is a techy. Moaning about something that has to be usable for such a wide variety of people is somewhat ‘selfish’, because a UI has to be universally acceptable to many different types of people and to cater for the vast majority, the design must cater for this.
If anything, I think it’s condescending to think that a UI should be built for you only, which I feel Paul wants. It would be great if it was tailored to you, you, you and you but other than being able to customise it to a certain level, there’s certain aspects of a UI that remains constant, for consistency through to trouble shooting. There’s no point saying “my computer is doing this” and others having no idea what it is it’s doing.
Microwaves on the other hand – simple solution. Don’t use them. :)
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 8:41 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
But that’s exactly the point of a user interface. Paul is a user and he’s being selfish, because he should be. These aren’t communal products. If those other types of people help pay for his new copy of OSX, then sure, let them pick the UI that best “works” for all of them.
But he’s a private citizen, customer and user, and he should get a preference selection of what UI type he likes. If the company’s response is that “we only cater to non-techies now”, then they’ve just lost a customer. What their response should be is “we thought you would like this but since you don’t, here’s your old UI.”
I think the new features of Win7, especially Aero preview and the new grouping, are pretty great but it’s even more commendable that they allow you to keep the old design if you want (which I don’t.)
The real problem is not when companies try something new, but when they completely abandon what worked in the past when including it was of no detriment to them. Office 2007 is one of the more glaring examples of this, but so is the new Gmail.
Small, minimalist icons are fine on my phone, but on my computer I’d rather have text buttons for “See more” instead of an inconspicuous “…”. We can temporarily revert, but soon that option will disappear.
Beyond all that, I think what’s even more condescending is that you’re telling Paul what he should and shouldn’t complain about in his own blog on his own website. I may not like like or agree with all the heaps of bullshit layered from Blogspot the way up to Engadget and The Verge, but I’m certainly not going to tell them they’re being selfish for sharing their opinion because that’s the entire point of all this. Otherwise, we would leave our workstations at work, and abandon the personal computer.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:17 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
In response to your last paragraph – by your standards, it’s not okay to make a comment on something just because this is ‘their blog’? Since when did it become taboo to comment on something? Isn’t that what blog comments are for or should my comments be deleted just for having a differing opinion? I’m sharing my opinion, which the vast majority of comments on the page have skirted around, instead talking about microwaves.
If that’s not okay with you – well, fine. You’re just text on a screen and I’ll continue to air my opinion whether you like it or not. No offence intended. =)
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:17 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
No, my standard is that you’re allowed to tell him what you think he shouldn’t be allowed to say, but you’re an asshat for it.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:15 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
And the other people are telling him that they disagree with his opinion on UI’s.
You’re telling him that he’s selfish for broadcasting his own thoughts.
Those are two completely distinct things.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:17 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s called an opinion – he has one, I have one – it’s what comments are for as are you entitled to your opinion. That’s what comments are for but you completely lower your comments to playground standards by name calling. Asshat? Grow up man.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 12:20 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Mine only has a knob to set the time. Why am I using a knob to put in digits? Who thought of that?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Mine has a knob too but it is so much more user friendly and intuitive. Grabbing something and turning it is less frustrating than having to peck your digits at digits (see what I did there?) to set the time. For each digit you press incorrectly you have to backspace to fix it.
The knob on the other hand removes 11 buttons (0-9 and delete/backspace/clear) and simplifies the process by equating one turn to +/- 15 seconds. No (sane) person microwaves something for 57 seconds exact, so the 15 second intervals are very handy (and you can always stop the microwave early if needed).
Unfortunately my microwave does have a lot of presets that I never use, too, which is unfortunate but at least those buttons are distinctly different from my oversized Start/Stop buttons and knob,
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Darn, my Microwave has the knob that changes the time based on how quickly you spin the dial. So getting to 1:00+ is easy, but if you want 1:45, good luck actually getting the dial to agree: spin too slowly and it won’t move at all, too quickly and it’ll jump up at random intervals. Sometimes by multiples of 7 seconds.
I don’t understand what the problem is, what’s wrong with “Here’s a Numpad/Dial, and here’s the Start button. Have a blast.”
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:54 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
That sounds horrible.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i thought my microwave was satins devil box.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 6:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
lol “knob”
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:58 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Hell, I specifically got a microwave that has a timer dial and a power setting dial – so easy and intuitive that anyone can use it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:47 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That should be Fadell’s next project: revolutionizing the microwave. Another product that has hardly changed in 30 years.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:30 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
My cheapo microwave has two dials:
One for power (thaw – low – med – hi – grill – grill+microwave).
One for time. Analog. It ticks and turns, and when it’s back down to zero, it does “Ping!”
I’m happy as a clam with it. Can’t figure out the one we have at work.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:40 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
WHERE DID YOU BUY THIS MAGICAL DEVICE?! Seriously, that sounds great!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:49 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Heh. It was the cheapest one on sale at the electronics store.
IIRC, I paid €30 something like ten years ago.
Works a charm, and I dread the day I’ll have to replace it with a digitally-controlled piece of shit.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:09 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Agree wholeheartedly.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:48 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That statement describes most digital devices available to consumers today. Producers of these products are trading efficiency for convenience.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I have one like this, too. It’s by LG and I hope it’ll last forever. Paid €60 though. (so maybe it will :))
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 7:42 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I swear my biggest tech peeve is my f@(king microwave.. The dam thing dings when the time is off like it should right.. All is well.. But the thing has a reminder ding that dings after the ding to remind you that you just microwaved something.. Oh yea and it doesnt stop until you open the door.. I hate it because… 1. The power is off so it cant burn your food or the house down. 2. You can only hear it when you are in the SAME room, so whats the likelihood that you microwave something forget, dont hear the ending ding, then forget that you just microwaved something and magically missed the first ding, WHILE STAYING IN THE F@(KING KITCHEN.. Even if that were to happen common sense would tell you that the person who used the microwave presumably to eat would be hungry again shortly which would lead him back to the dam thing.. The ding end up irritating the shyt out of you while you are doing something else useful in the kitchen more than it helps.. And if u were handling trash or raw food you literally have to wash your hands open the door close it again then finish what you were doing then wash your hands again then go back to the microwave and get your food… /endmylongassrant
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 12:42 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
No, the problem is that every company does something different. We need fewer standards, not more.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:40 PM EST reply Recommend (66) Flag actions
Is it bad that I hovered my mouse over that for over a minute, hoping to see the alt text?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:16 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.
http://xkcd.com/927/
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 6:20 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Yep my brother now has a Samsung GS II and each time he asks me for a charger it’s the same thing – I have tons of mini USB cables / chargers, but no micro USB at all. Standardization fail.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 7:44 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Fail? That’s seriously incorrect. Every single mobile device in my household released after the iPhone 3G uses micro-USB. Every cellphone and tablet, a small external hard drive, and my mobile WiFi hotspot uses micro-USB for charging and data trasnsfter. Apple products are the only exception.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 3:21 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Samsung’s micro-USB is different though — but still a variant.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 2:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Really? Because just yesterday I used the charger from my Galaxy Nexus to charge me old HTC Desire so I could move some stuff off it.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My Samsung Galaxy S is perfectly happy to charge from my Kindle’s charger.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not counting Apple’s half-arsed micro-USB adapter they created to keep the EU happy, obviously.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 8:32 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
As far as I can tell, there are no ‘standards’ when it comes to microwaves beyond putting the door on the left with the controls on the right. A standard implies universally adopted set of rules, there is no such thing in terms of a microwave interface.
After seeing what Fadell did with the thermostat, this would be a great sophomore project for Nest
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:43 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Come to think of it he should revolutionize all home appliances, except the fridge of course. Anyone who has trouble using a fridge has serious issues.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 2:32 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
we need Jony Ives to make a new microwave.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:39 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
the iWave , controlled from the annoyingly ubiquitous status symbol, iPhone
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:43 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Ha, yeah. The actual microwave part would have no buttons and would probably look like this.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
the only thing i find more condescending in tone than apple ad’s are the people who think they are taking a stand against them, while actually becoming what “they hate most”
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
There needs to be a Flag as Awesome.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:50 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Put your hand on your monitor and receive my e-high-five, please. It’s the most hilariously hypocritical attitude (and the most annoying).
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:46 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
What if he’s using a touchscreen? ;D
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 7:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Perfectly said.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:29 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yes, it will be exactly like my microwave – 2 dials and a door.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:53 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I still haven’t figured out what “Time I/II” means. I’ve had the same microwave for a decade.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Then you want my Microwave. Nothing but numbers, a start button, and some funky turbo button.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 5:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Does the turbo button make it run on 66 MHz?
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 7:46 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
You just brought me back to 1990….
You my friend, are awesome.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 5:20 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Nest team needs to take on microwaves and other home appliances next!
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 11:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Isn’t that why HP open-sources webOS? So we could embed it in microwaves?
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 6:02 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Didn’t we already decide that this was the futer of WebOS?
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 9:25 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Even that is crazy. My microwave is from 1983 and has the following controls: A dial to set the time, a sliding bar that goes from “low” to “high” and a button marked “Start.”
When I go to someone else’s house and see modern microwaves I can never figure them out. Digital numpads? Popcorn buttons?! Six different ways to start? Who are we trying to impress here?
My microwave has the perfect UI: turn, slide, start. You lose a tiny amount of precision with the analog time setter, but in almost 20 years it’s never been an issue. It’s easy and it’s FAST and I never have to explain it to anyone. Did I mention that in 20 years all it’s needed to keep it running is to occasionally replace the lightbulb? Four times, so far. I’ve had friends who have gone through 3 microwaves in the last decade because they just died.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:04 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Mine is like that too, but it’s from 2008 and the power isn’t a slider, but a dial. My previous one from 2002 was like that too, except it had a button to open the door instead of just equipping the door with a handle.
It’s not like simple and purposeful microwaves aren’t available, most people just aren’t buying them, because they are the low-end models without all the fancy useless crap.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 12:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I hate it when you press the number on a microwave and it automagically starts running for that many minutes.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:36 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
I hate that for the first 10 or so times, then I get annoyed when I have to press more than one button. #FirstWorldProblems
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:06 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
I get annoyed when people use hashtags where they’re useless or irrelevant. Here, for example.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:56 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
That wasn’t irrelevant. I thought it was insightful. Of course, it lost some intelligence because he could have just put it in a real sentence, but I wouldn’t call it useless.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:57 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I get annoyed when people get annoyed at others using hashtags. So there.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:47 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
I get annoyed when people get annoyed at people who get annoyed at others who use hashtags. So there.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:59 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I like hash-browns.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:54 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
Thank you Ralph. ;)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:03 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
:) The hashtag was part of the joke, sorry for crossing the streams.
Posted on Dec 14, 2011 | 10:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I believe all microwaves should have 4 buttons: add 30 seconds, add 10 seconds, subtract 10 seconds, and stop/cancel. Most of the time when I use the home or work microwave I press the 30 second button two or three times and I’m good to go.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:25 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I used to have a microwave like that back in the 90s. You would type in the time in terms of intervals. It had a 1 minute button, 30 second button, 10 second button, and a 1 second button. No number pads or knobs to deal with.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m sorry but that sounds horrific compared to a numpad and power level button IMO. I’d hate to do addition and subtraction just to cook my damn Ramen. Or hit the 30sec button SIX TIMES for 3min.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 12:30 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Put webOS on it!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:46 PM EST reply Recommend (25) Flag actions
That mad me laugh, then die a little bit inside
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:50 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Ditto. The only button I use on my microwave is the “30-second” one. I just press it repeatedly until my food is hot.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:54 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I need power levels, too.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What does the scouter say about its power level!?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
If your microwave goes over 9000 then you should wear grounded underwear whenever you approach it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
would you call them quixotic?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is how my microwave works: No button for the door, just a handle on the door; two analog dials: power and time. No display, the time dial just reverses mechanically while time passes while the door is closed. You can’t get much simpler than that without actually reducing functionality too.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 12:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“I recently switched my Windows 7 install over to the “Classic Theme,” which is basically Windows 95 incarnate, just with all the under-the-hood improvements I’ve come to rely on."
what the hell dude, how do you live without the aero preview when you multitask?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:17 PM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
I believe preview is still there, it just is bordered by, in my opinion, ugly borders.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nope, no previews in classic. Just titles. No Aero Peek either. Thankfully, Aero Snap is still there.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:25 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Oh, hmm. I don’t know how much that would effect me. I never have tested to see how much I actually depend on looking on the image.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Alt+Tab ftw…
Speaking of – It’s fancy – but who ever uses Win+tab? Same ppl who use expose on OSX i suppose?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:54 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Technically it’s called Mission Control now, but I still use Expose (or rather, its newer iteration) every day.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:48 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
You literally just blew my mind. As a long time Windows 7 user and technology enthusiast, some how I never knew about the two features you just mentioned. Thank you very much!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 10:24 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
You’re a long-time Windows 7 user and a tech enthusiast and never knew about alt+tab? I remember that being one of the core commands they’d teach you in computer classes in high school back in the 90s. I suggest you do a search for “Windows 7 keyboard commands” to see what else you’re missing out on. Here are a few to get you started:
Select all: ctrl+a
Copy: ctrl+c
Cut: ctrl+x
Paste: ctrl+v
I suppose it’s somewhat ironic that I’m being condescending in an article about condescending UIs, but it just blows my mind that you’re a long-time user and didn’t know about alt+tab… the above owl says it all.
But Paul, I think that’s why UIs have to be that way, because some people really don’t figure things out.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:45 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I use Win+Tab when I am bored. People who have never seen it before say ‘WOW!’.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 10:21 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Win-tab takes me to the bottom of the page…??
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 12:32 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Windows doesn’t use the GPU to render the UI when you use classic theme. Try switching back to Aero and you’ll see a huge performance increase.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:10 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Really? Source? I googled around to find plenty of people arguing about it, but no concrete answer… I’m running my htpc in classic and wouldn’t mind finding some extra performance… I’ll test it out
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The reason is because Aero is disabled in classic mode. Search the benefits of aero and you’ll see. Try flipping from window to window, minimizing and moving windows around in Aero mode and you’ll see that there is a noticeably less lag because the GPU is helping. Classic mode is like XP, so you’ll see trails and redraws while the screen rerenders the UI.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 10:11 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It just shows the name really.
Aero gives you the actual windows, and the windows is live, when I’m playing a movie and working on something, I can see where the movie is at. When I have multiple IE / FF / VStudio / XML windows open, I can see them all in one instace, without aero I wouldn’t be able to do any of that.
Aero is amazing for multitasking.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I suppose. I personally prefer OS X version of multitasking, particularly for laptops. My windows desktop multitasks a lot (two monitors) but I never really paid attention to whether it is better to any other OS.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
IMHO the OS X version of multitasking is borderline retarded especially with Lion. I still use it though, but not for its multi-tasking capabilities.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:52 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Windows 7 was a godsend in terms of multitasking. Between Aero and the “snap” features, it’s a dream for a multiple window environment. Only problem I have with it, is it won’t let me snap two separate Excel spreadsheets next to each other. For some reason, Windows only allows one instance of Excel to “snap” to half the screen, so I just have to manually resize the windows to view both.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:50 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
yeah, this is definitely ripe for enhancement. While I still find snapping an Application instance helpful, would be great to be able to also snap files within the same Application.
Windows sure recognizes the difference, and having an alternate hotkey for that function would rule
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 12:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Open two instances of Excel, open different spreadsheets in each. Profit.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 10:53 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’ll just leave this here:
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-arrange-windows-in-excel-2010-workbooks.html
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 4:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
and to help you a little further – you can switch between those spreadsheets with Ctrl+Tab
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 4:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I thought I would hate Mission Control and never use it so I held off getting Lion for months. Then, when I finally installed Lion, I started using it almost unconsciously. I use it all the time now, I love it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:50 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I’m seriously amused by you (really I mean your incompetence)… that I registered a TheVerge account to let you know.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Tis the season.
Trolololololllololololllll..
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:13 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Yes. How would you ever survive if you have to actually click the button. Or worse yet, ALT-TAB!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:00 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The overflow of the text in “Metro UI” is to indicate to the user that there is more data on the next screen.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:18 PM EST reply Recommend (17) Flag actions
Also, I do like minimalism, like Windows Phone. But going back to 95 is worse than Aero. 95 has bevels, and bevels are the ghetto drop shadow. I’d rather have drop shadows than bevels any day.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:19 PM EST reply Recommend (23) Flag actions
Ahh, but what about bevels WITH drop shadows???
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:31 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
The worst.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:33 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Hmmm… depends on how big the drop shadow is. The foreground window’s drop shadow in Lion uses about as many pixels as the entirety of Mac OS 6.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:37 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I recently removed the drop shadow on Windows 7 and thinned down the border padding. Seams to give it a cleaner look and speed boost.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:29 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Yeah. It’s super easy to change all of those things.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:02 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Is there any way to make the active window look like all the inactive windows? – no orange X less highlighting around the edges, etc. I like the look of the inactive windows much more. To see a quick comparison (if your in Windows 7), minimize all apps and then open one app and leave it in a window, then click the desktop and back to the app to see the differences.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Google GODMODE for win 7
Thank me later :)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
speed boost ? yeah right!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
just testing if i got banned from saying MG had a point.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 8:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What drop shadow? I’m looking at my foreground Chrome window, and I’m having a hard time picking out the drop shadow against my desktop background. It looks pretty subtle to me.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:26 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Now that you point it out that is weird. My Chrome leaves a very solid drop shadow over my Spotify, but when I pull spotify up it doesn’t leave a shadow on chrome.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s a really dumb way to illustrate that there is more data on the next screen.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:07 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Not at all actually, it is probably the most subtle yet obvious ways to do it. Other than explicitly saying “More data on the other screen”, which seems to be the criticism that Paul is talking about, there isn’t really a better way than content overflow.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:13 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I don’t get the point in the subtlety is all I am saying. If most people don’t know that is the point (which, I submit, is the case) then it doesn’t do its job well. There should never be “oh I never knew that” moments for a feature that important.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 7:36 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I wish I could read my full song title on my Windows Phone in Zune though. It should scroll. There is no next screen to signal to in the Now Playing part, a swipe just switches songs. Try telling someone everyone who featured on the track “Unfair feat. Krizz Kaliko, Godemis of Ces Cru, and Ubiquitous of Ces Cru” or “Welcome to Strangeland with Krizz Kaliko” on Metro. Ick..
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 12:38 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That actually plays into his argument that the user shouldn’t be continually prompted after years of use. Having overflow means it will eternally be present.
I actually disagree with Microsoft on the oversized headings, from a usability standpoint. Many third-party apps have adopted a smaller, capitalised header which does the job. It doesn’t have the parallax flair of the native hubs, but it saves a hell of a lot of screen estate.
Overflow looks great but it not really necessary. I think by narrowing the content width, Microsoft also gets to even out the amount of sheer data displayed so it looks better (not just a load of white text on a black background). There must be a better solution to achieving a balance of form and function.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 7:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I have been contemplating laptop murder since installing OSX Lion. Just found BetterTouchTool. Thank evolution. Lion is such a shit step in the wrong direction. What the hell are versions? Why is spaces gone? ……..rhetorical questions.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:19 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I quite like Lion, I don’t know what you are talking about.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:19 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
You must not have used spaces the way I did.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:20 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Had to look it up. It looks like the new version of spaces is way better.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:22 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Well I used to use 9 spaces with specific applications assigned to open in different spaces. I got very used to it. I was also used to the show desktop and show expose gestures being the old way (reversed). It’s hard to use something for 3 years then have it suddenly become backwards.
P.S. The old spaces allowed you to see all apps in all spaces at one time and rearrange them how you’d like. You weren’t limited to a dumbed down row with groups of similar windows. Definitely simpler, definitely not as useful.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:25 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Oh, I am a OS X noob. I started with Lion. However, I have used OS X since probably tiger, just at school.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:30 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
yeah I understand I’m probably in the minority, but it was enough to make me jump back to ubuntu. Too bad my superdrive is busted… Anyway cheers.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:31 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
You went back to Ubuntu for a better experience?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:48 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I’m still on Snow Leopard, and the thought of upgrading to Lion is kind of scary to me.
I know what amasse means. I use spaces in a specific way as well, not unlike the 1-app-per-space method mentioned previously. Virtual desktops are an amazing productivity booster and really just make interacting with the computer much more of a pleasure. They have been present in Linux for years, and until 10.6, OS X used the same (or at least a very similar) implementation. Lion changed a lot about spaces and exposé, eliminating some of the classic functionality and UI paradigms many users have grown to know and love over the past half-decade or so.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Continuing the article, Ubuntu (Classic gnome interface, not unity) is pretty much exactly what Paul would want. It tells you what you need to know, and then gets out of the way. It treats you like an intelligent adult.
I love linux. I just wish large third-party software developers would pay more attention to it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:07 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Linux developers are a very smart bunch. They are good at taking the best ideas from every major operating system, and combining them into a useful product.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:09 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
No, they take ideas from every major operating system and combine them into a very confusing product. And gets out of the way? Until you inevitably have to use the terminal and wised that it did get in the way.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:25 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Wait. What are you talking about?
Are you referring to the kernel? One of the many desktop environments? Some specific application? A library of some sort?
I understand if you wish to happily bash a large group of people, but that’s terribly unhelpful.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think he means the desktop environments, since he says that when you finally give up and go to the command line you realize they it just been getting in the way.
He’s right too, the various desktops of linux are a dog’s breakfast, actually they’re an entire a la carte menu of dogs’ breakfasts.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:07 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Ubuntu + Compiz provides a slick interface that is far more customizable than anything else out there, with a nice set of familiar default actions.
I also take offense to “take ideas from other operating systems” – uh, what was the first implementation of mouse, graphical desktops and multiple desktop windows? Right
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 11:02 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Right, that would be Unix, what Linux is a copy of…Right.
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 2:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not Linux since it wasn’t even created until 1991. Remember Linux started as a clone of Minix, it is not in and of itself UNIX.
Posted on Dec 15, 2011 | 5:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Until you have to deal with customization. Yeah, you can customize stuff, but you have to be very technical and have a lot of patience.
Want to customize something? Good luck finding the config. Was it in settings manager? Or do I have to install CCSM? Nope, maybe I need to install Gnome Tweak Tool now, too.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re not alone, I too miss the old spaces.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:03 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I used Spaces the same way… While Mission Control did take some getting used to, I found that it’s equally as efficient. The only capability that’s really missing in Mission Control is being able to move application windows from space to space while in preview mode.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
You can drag windows to another desktop while you’re in Mission Control.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:43 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s more efficient, and that’s why the made the change. People are just reluctant to re-learn anything when it comes to computers (or anything, for that matter) and any sort of change just makes them flip their shit. There’s a very good reason they did what they did, and it’s made multi-tasking MUCH easier if you know how to use it correctly. However, that requires actually learning, which seems to be too much to ask around here today.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:52 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s only easier and more efficient while using a multi touch trackpad.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:17 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I don’t use this feature at all, but you didn’t actually include any of the reasons or explanations for why it’s “more efficient” in your reply. All you did was basically insult people for not learning a new way of doing things when they were content with the way things were previously.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 10:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“if you know how to use it correctly” is a very loaded sentence.
I miss the vertical alignment of spaces, ie: having 4 in a square formation. This row of spaces is annoying. And where did my control+# keyboard shortcuts go?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i’m with u there
the old spaces was much better! mission control is totally useless!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:36 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
It depends on your usage. Me, I tried to use the old Spaces but gave up because they were so rigid. Often I’d want to create a Space for a certain task, do my thing, and get rid of it. But you had to go into System Preferences to arrange them.
In Lion, Spaces can be created in two motions, closed with a click. Much better for me, personally. It’s also integrated into Mission Control (Expose) and Dashboard, rather than being three separate interfaces.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:56 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Yes, exactly what i was trying to say. It’s more intuitive and flexible.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
this is how i felt/feel as well. i used the old spaces with itunes, browser, illustrator, photoshop, and mail each in their own area, but then i found sometimes i want them in the same ‘space’ so to change this quickly i would put the spaces option in the top menu bar— a few months later i randomly decided to turn spaces of just to see… hitting command+h to hide apps ended up just being so much easier. with the new version of spaces i dont have to think about my organization, i just throw apps around as seems fit in the moment. i like it. but there isn’t any absolutes for best- apple is just a group of people executing ideas they come up with, they are not obligated to adhere to your ideas of how things should be, and you are not obligated to adhere to their ideas of how things should be.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 6:48 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not entirely true. The recent 7.2 update allows you to move Spaces around and when you use ALT+TAB Spaces move around automatically if you’re switching back and forth.
You can also still assign apps to a specific space by right-clicking on the icon in the dock. Easier to manage if you ask me.
I prefer Mission Control over the old Spaces. Too cumbersome and required you to control it from System Preferences. I used 12 spaces and rarely found myself using all of them all the time. I like the idea that I can close them out as needed. I can’t be certain but I’m sure those blank Spaces were using some of the system’s resources.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I know what you’re talking about, i used since SL. Yeah, i agree that the new Mission Control concept have some problems, like, you can’t pile more than 3 windows per app and there are some bugs. It infuriates me! But the new spaces thing is simpler, i like it.
As Paul said previously in his review, Lion is an experiment, it has many new concepts. It takes some time to get used to. But i have to say it’s probably the best SO i’ve ever used.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I was chuffed at first about Mission Control’s reworking of Spaces, but then I just assigned apps to the Desktops I wanted and used fullscreen for the others.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
LOVE Better Touch Tool. Tab switching in chrome is so much easier with gestures
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Thank evolution”? Really? Hope that catches on for you…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:37 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well, i actually liked the new spaces concept much much better now. It kind of speaks to the way i use my computer, and it is one of the best things i like about Lion. But yeah, i don’t know how you used it. And i like Lion very much.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You can turn versions off on the few applications that actually use it.
Spaces is still there. Though, now in a straight line as opposed to a grid.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 10:05 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That annoying OS X minimize gif in the middle of the article makes me want to punch a baby. (disclaimer: no babies were harmed in the reading of this article)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:20 PM EST reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
I agree. Usually The Verge has a great layout but book-ending text with giant repeating animations is not conducive to reading.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:31 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
It’s really effective, though. The animation is (in Paul’s opinion and mine) annoying, and the repeating gif really drives it home.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Of course it drives it home. My car beeps once when I lock it remotely. Does that mean that if you played me that noise on an extremely obnoxious infinite loop that I would not want my car to beep when I lock it? Of course I want it to still beep. Repeating anything that much (especially at such ridiculously exaggerated slowed down speeds) is going to be annoying. The fact that he had to slow down all his animations and put them on infinite loops is a pretty good sign that he’s really having to stretch to make any of these points.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:55 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
System Preferences > Dock > Minimize windows using: Scale effect
It’s the first thing I do on any new system (much like in ye olden days to turn menu blinking to zero, which is a setting I still wish would return to OS X).
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s still there though. Showing you what it’s doing.
I used to turn them off completely but that was mostly because my iMac G3 was so slow.
I also used to turn off drop shadows, but those are actually kinda necessary in OS X as a lot of windows don’t have borders so it can look really wrong.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:46 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
“Showing you what it’s doing” is kind of the key, there.
It’s one of the core tenets of, you know, actual usability. ;)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But its not. The whole point of the article is that if we click minimize we know it minimized. It doesn’t need to flow, it doesn’t need to bounce. It can just sit calmly on the bar where we want it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:17 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
But at least it’s quick and simple. It shows you what it’s doing, but it’s not as ridiculous and condescending as the genie effect. We don’t want the window to just vanish without any indication as to what happened.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:30 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m of two minds about it. On the one hand, with an auto-hide dock, it offers a visual clue as to where exactly in the dock it’s going. On the other hand, that’s just a bandaid for the fact that the dock is really poorly designed.
It’s too tall to leave up all the time, and because it actually resizes based on what you have in it, open and minimized, it eliminates the ability to use muscle memory to use it. No matter what, you have to search for what you want. Showing an animation of where minimized windows are going helps, but it’s totally over the top and wouldn’t be necessary without the terrible dock.
Those are areas where Windows 7 got it right. It’s obvious the new taskbar takes inspiration from Mac OS’s dock, keeping launch shortcuts, but it’s small enough to have up all the time, and with your most used icons always in the same place, is more functional. In addition, Windows has a minimize animation that “goes to the location” as well, but it’s faster and more understated.
This isn’t to say that Windows is better, or Mac is better. I tend not to get into flame wars. Both just have some excellent UI decisions and some very poor ones.
As for the article, I have a really hard time taking it seriously. Complaining about shadows because he already knows the window is on top? Well, maybe the shadow is to create better visual separation between overlapping elements. Of course you know it’s on top, it’s just a psychological trick to make realizing that quicker.
I completely agree with Paul about Apple’s egregious use of real world items as UI elements like the calendar and contacts, but in general all of these UI choices were made to inherently convey information WITHOUT having to overtly say “Hey, this thing is over here.” In Metro UI, the oversized text running off the screen tells you there’s another screen there. You’d really prefer it without, so that you never knew if there was another screen or not?
Usually I find myself agreeing with Paul, but definitely not today. (This would be even longer, but the reply box wasn’t displaying text until a few seconds after I typed it…)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:40 PM EST reply Recommend (30) Flag actions
The above reply deserves being appended to the original article. Joe, I think you’re right on with this view.
As a UI/UX designer (my dayjob) you’re faced with a flood of input each and everyday about what works and what doesn’t work for a user interface. It is essential that you learn how to disseminate subjective opinion from objective observation. This editorial contains a strong mix of both. The problem is that the two are so interwoven that its hard to fully agree/disagree with what is being said.
Apple’s iCal and Address book updates in Lion are absolutely ridiculous… its taking the design metaphor and well… not making it much of a metaphor anymore. I also somewhat cringed when Apple had their whole ‘Back to the Mac’ theme. It assumes that there is one right way to ‘do’ an OS for all different forms: tablets, pcs, laptops, phones, etc when honestly there isn’t. We can optimize our experience by building a modular OS that reformats but we shouldn’t ever try to ‘do’ one format for all mediums.
Its one reason why I really like that iPad apps are separate from iPhone apps… you’re dealing with a different size screen and sampling up content is lazy, inefficient, and less pleasing of an experience. I understand what Android is trying to do (probably more out of necessity since hardware configurations run the gamut) but I really don’t think its optimal. There are conventions that will always be similar across products but you must acknowledge the format difference, not ignore it.
I couldn’t help but think of Microsoft’s Metro UI when reading this article… its one of the few UI conventions that really is getting it right IMHO. It works across mediums (computer, tablet, game) really well, it is bold enough to try new conventions, and it seems to have support and a grand level. The scary thing is that you still have plain old vanilla windows underneath it all so far for Win 8…
Honestly I think we’re at a midstep right now with regards to OS UI design. We are running headlong into the tablet touch/voice era but we all firmly have a foot in the PC mouse/keyboard era as well. Not everyone is as forward thinking so you can’t expect them to think like you do. It may seem awkward, but the mid-step is necessary. You’re cute when your a kid and mature when your an adult, but man can that in-between stage be awkward… that’s us right now as UI designers. Some of us mature faster, some of us stay immature for a good long while…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:07 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
It’s not really the old Windows underneath though, is it? Yes, they haven’t completely rewritten the OS from the kernel up but the Metro shell runs as default and WinRT seems like a pretty significant re-imagining from previous versions. It’s still possible to run the old desktop shell if one decides to launch it but it’s not like it’s lurking beneath at all times as a foundation upon which the metro UI sits as a thin layer, it’s just available if it’s needed for legacy programs. So unless called upon it never even runs.
I’m not a programmer so I can’t say I understand the finer points of it all but the general idea strikes me as being more like launching the command prompt in a modern version of windows rather than slipping into DOS from Win 3.1. I guess the hope is that there’ll be enough functionality in the new default UI that there’s no need to launch the old one.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:30 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Totally agree. A UI should be designed for the hardware it is running on. A touch based app should not look and feel the same as an app designed for mouse and keyboard. The same as an app designed for a 4" screen should not look the same on a 10" screen. Tablets need information presented in a more organized way than just a resized table view.
Also I really hope Apple ditches the idea of 1:1 mapping of real world objects. It may help old people who have never used a computer, but a kid using a computer now will not have even used their real world equivalents! We should be looking for more efficient yet intuitive interfaces that don’t rely on mimicking an outdated physical object that the app is replacing.
Basically the interface should be tailored to the content, and not the other way around.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 10:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You criticize Apple for thinking that you can use one OS across different form factors, then go on to say that Microsoft is “getting it right” by… wanting to use one OS across different form factors (Desktops, Notebooks, Tablets)?
I get what your saying, in that a UI built for keyboard/mouse is not going to fit a touch experience and vice versa, but to say that Apple doesn’t get it and that Windows 8 is the best idea ever is crap. Apple has very clearly split OS X for “PCs”/iOS for touch. What Microsoft seems to want to do with Windows 8 is to shoehorn a very touch-focused experience onto as many different form factors as possible, usability be damned. A heavily touch-oriented UI such as Metro just isn’t going to work on keyboard/mouse systems the way they seem to be hoping for with Windows 8.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 10:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Good points, true that. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I appreciate Microsoft is bringing a unified approach to their UI structure. Apple has Microsoft beat hands down from a usability perspective currently. I greatly admired when they took the iPad and used iOS instead of OSX. I was a naysayer at first but then I came around. We have to ask the question each time, “Is this OS or Software appropriate for the given medium?” Apple did a great job with that for the iPhone and iPad… it just seemed inconsistent to have the ‘Back to the Mac’ approach after the fact. Microsoft isn’t just slamming the same experience in to different form factors, they are using a guiding design principle to shape each form factor. WP7, Xbox, and Windows 8 all use a different interface style, but each interface is unified by a guiding principle. In a way I suppose Apple is doing that as well, so I may eat my aforementioned words. Again, I think we’re in midstep right now… it’ll become clear where Apple and Microsoft are heading very soon. I’m honestly encouraged by both. Apple has the upperhand because they had their head in the game ages ago… Microsoft is playing catch up, but they’re doing it right.
Posted on Jan 03, 2012 | 2:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I actually still like the minimizing effect. I barely notice it consciously, but it the restoration animation counterpart certainly helps me notice where the window is restored to. I also use command-H to hide the application windows more often than using minimizing (command-M; almost always), maybe that’s what Paul means by “OS 9” mode regarding that. It’s been there since System 7.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 12:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
bulla
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Don’t forget the new twitter changes….
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Ribbon feels like poison”…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:21 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
I’m cautiously optimistic about Windows 8 and the desktop applications of the Metro UI. It feels like the first step in the right direction for how we should be engaging with our computers.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:21 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Great post, but this is such a first world problem. I hate to say this but I come to the Vege, for news, reviews, etc. not little boys whining about how their icons are condescending.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:22 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Oddly enough, I go to http://thevege.com/ for vegetable news.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:22 PM EST reply Recommend (43) Flag actions
I go there to pleasure myself.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
+1. Also this whiny TechCrunch article about displays beng too big
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh. now i see the error. dammit, add an edit comment button Verge!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
LOLLLLLLLLLL
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It is a first world problem, but it’s MY first world problem.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:24 PM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
Damn right.
I think his point though was to express that you’re writing for one of the biggest tech publications online. He may feel as if with all that’s exciting and “going on” lately in the industry, your time and skill-set may have been better used to report, rather than editorialize your gripes with DROUI (Downright Rude and Offensive User Interfaces).
However, and to hark on your original point that I “Damn right”-ed at, to each his own. Free speech, etc.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Great article Paul. I’ve been doing what you have done with Win7 since XP… Turn off all the cutesy animations and wiz-bang special effects (I DON’T NEED the Start menu to slide up when I click it)!. I like the feeling of clicking on something and having it to what I wanted it to do immediately and without doing a little dance to let me know it just did it..
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:40 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Agreed. First-world problems are what drive innovation. Some people innovate; others implement. Third-world problems are all about implementation.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“I come to the Vege, for news, reviews, etc. " Isnt that a first world problem in itself? Instead of ya know, trying to find a way to eat and not giving a f*** about reviews on the internet.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:26 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
genie animation is way worse than starving or drinking dirty water.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Obviously you’ve never been paid a visit by Montezuma.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Having a computer and wanting to enjoy it is also a second and third world problem. Maybe not top priority, but people still complain about it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I also like to have less animation and noise … distraction on my PC / tablet / phone.
For instance I like to have black / very dark wallpapers.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:22 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
i like osx and its ostentatious look..it makes the fonts more readable. has more customization and has a lot of attention to detail. it works very intuitively like the ipad …. now only if we could get a retina display!!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:23 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
More customization? It’s almost impossible to use another theme in OS X the only thing you can customize is the dock location. Mac OS 9 has more customization…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:50 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You can customize many things, for example the annoying genie animation shown above can be turned off.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:55 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Ha. It can’t even really be turned off without a trip to the terminal or a third-party app. All you can do is choose between Scale and Genie. Not exactly customization when you have to jump through hoops to get it.
OS X is the least customizable OS out there. There still exists a lot of apps whose sole purpose is to bring back options that were available in OS 9. Most of the time they are broken with every new OS X release too.
When Leopard first came out they didn’t even give you a choice between the 2D and 3D dock even if it made your computer run like balls.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:02 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Setting it to Scale Effect IS turning off the Genie Effect. Minimizing a window and having there be NO transition would result in there being no distinction between closing the window and minimizing it.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 8:34 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
You mean apart from you clicking the close button, and the application actually quitting?
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 7:13 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Only single-window applications quit when you click the close button. For multi-window apps, the command-H (Hide [Application]) action is probably a much underutilized function and people seem to be obsessed about minimizing the windows instead for no good reason.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 1:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
More customization… than what?
Being able to turn off the wretched genie effect isn’t customization.
In Linux, you can run entirely different desktop environments. Ones that look different, function differently, and have entirely different asthetics.
In Windows, you can modify things so heavily that it looks nothing like Windows. Or an old version of Windows. Or OSX. You can even make changes that affect functionality. It’s not as customizable as Linux, but it’s also more customizable than OSX.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:18 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Will the average person install multiple Desktop Environments until they find the right one for them? You will, I will if I am not too busy, but to that average person they want their hand held.
I looked at OSX’s telling me how to do things and flat out not doing some things I wanted it to as an insult. Most people call it a feature and applaud it for streamlining the user experience and making them feel good along the way.
I will admit that I am a sucker for eye-candy however, and I feel torn between clean and quick and beautiful.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The comment wasn’t about “average person”. The comment was about customization, and how the commenter felt that OSX was more customizable than something. In reality, it is the least customizable desktop OS in common use (Win/OSX/Linux).
Linux is more customizable. That is objective truth.
Windows is somewhat more customizable. That is also objective truth.
The default experience, even on Linux isn’t bad. The truth is, there are things that each OS does better than others (I, for one, would like Win + Q while alt-tabbing to be implemented). The windows sloshing around in a recent Ubuntu release? WTF mate? Worst UI modification ever. The OSX style buttons on windows in that version of whatever window manager was in Ubuntu, combined with the top status bar was totally taking a UI that apes Windows, but combining it with some visual elements of OSX to make for a harder to navigate, more inconsistent UI. But it was specific to Ubuntu – probably half the reason people are going to Mint now, never mind Unity.
I could live with smaller borders in Windows, but I can’t stand the way the dock works. I hate the different window sizes in expose, but would love it if icons were larger on alt-tab in windows, or if Win+Tab did something halfway in between.
There are things that I’m too lazy to customize (window borders, for example), and things that I do customize (fences user). But there’s a happy medium for everyone.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 1:18 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh Yay. Linux. Paragon of good UX.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 8:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Something I’ve learned over the years of toying with Linux is that there’s a vast difference between the fact that you can do something and whether it’s actually practical and reliable for daily real-world use.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Do you not think that problem is being solved in the mobile space with iOS and Android become as powerful as computers?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not really, in fact that might even be a step backwards, for the simple reason that there aren’t any “multi window” implementations, although Android should be technically able to do that.
We have 27" screens now, what are you going to do with only one big 27" app?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:32 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
How so? That’s a feature of the window manager, not the kernel.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Android isn’t the kernel, it’s the entire platform.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Despite it not being a desktop OS, this is why I liked webOS. I felt like I was in control of the OS.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:23 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The reason for the flashy and often insulting UI is that 1) You always have to design for the lowest common demoninator (idiots) 2) Platform to Platform and even Edition to Edition consistency is lost, making you have to relearn some things through the idiotic UI hints.
It would be nice to have more control over the UI.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:24 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Prove it!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:28 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You don’t have to design for the lowest common denominator. This one size has to fit all philosophy is flawed. This is a computer we are talking about, you could ship it with 10 different interfaces with varying levels of complexity if you wanted to. Sure that’s more work for the designers and developers, but it is certainly possible and could be great for the users.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I can totally agree on one size fits not all. But to be honest I don’t think there should be 10 different presets for users to choose from. Why isn’t there an intelligent UI-Design that just learns from your misclicks or the things that could be done more efficient and slowly makes changes or tells you that there is another way to do that. If someone constantly misses the “close window” Button for example, shouldn’t the system make it a bit bigger or move it to another spot until the person doesn’t miss anymore. Let the UI grow and evolve along with your abilities.
Don’t get me wrong here, the system should also always be following certain design rules. And again it’s more work for developers but I think the next OS should be more than just better looking and it will be worth it!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:03 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah but that’s fragmentation! Right?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
While I do love windows 7’s UI, I still do enjoy using bright DOS applications and my Amiga with Workbench.
I still choose to keep animations enabled in Windows as It doesnt massively increase the time it takes to do something and it is aestheticaly pleasing.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:26 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
So how is Win 8 DP treating you then? ;-)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That is Windows 7 with a moddex uxtheme.dll and explorerframe.dll and a custom visual style. I did have Win8 on my laptop, which I bricked by removing IE (IE now renders the start menu making it a core OS component)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Other than the start menu issue, Windows 8 is running brilliantly, and the start up times on a conventional hard drive are amazing.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I switched to the classic Windows 7 a few weeks ago, too. And I’m loving it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Been running Windows (7, Vista, XP) in “classic mode” for years on my PC. Windows 2000 is still the prettiest version of the OS in my honest opinion. As for my Mac, I’m running OS X 10.6. Just switch to a solid gray background, remove everything but the clock from the menu bar, and say hello to the old days.
That being said, I can’t wait to see the final version of Windows 8 and for Apple to ditch Mac OS X and turn iOS into a full blown OS.
Great article!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That would certainly be a radical change to dump iOS, I really dont think the platform is anywhere near ready for it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OSX rather.
I wish we had an edit button.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There’s a 9 year old PC running Windows 2000 at my dad’s office and it’s as snappy as a Core i7.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:39 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Win 2K didn’t have all the ‘consumer’ gubbins that has infested every subsequent version of Windows. I miss it :(
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Two problems with ditching OSX:
-You can’t develop apps on iOS without a Mac.
-iOS is not capable of performing all the functions of a real computer. The ipad is a supplement, not a replacement, to the PC.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:28 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
You’re confusing IOS with hardware. The IOS, as an OS is verymuch capable of performing all the functions of a ‘real computer’, as the foundations are the same as OSX. If you could grab the source, it can compile to X86. Give it a few extra drivers, and it’d run on any modern Mac.
Posted on Dec 28, 2011 | 1:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Paul, you sound like a Linux user (of which I am one). Move over to the dark side, brother, and experience the light! Terminal ftw :D
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
hell yeah! you sound like someone who would like my quad-OS setup: Mac OSX Lion primary, virtualbox of Ubuntu, Chrome OS, and Live CD of Windows 8 Dev Preview.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That sounds awesome! Next year I’m getting a MacBook Air (mostly because I need portability and power). I’m going to OS X as the OS on there, Windows 8 on Bootcamp, and Ubuntu on my external hdd. Don’t know about Chrome OS; I may get an old cheap MacBook Air and load Chrome OS onto it.
I also use Android on my phone a tablet (HTC Sensation and ASUS Transformer).
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Pick a Linux distro (lots of choices), pick a desktop environment (good number of choices), then pick a window style or design your own (huge number of choices) – the choice is up to you! Probably way too many choices for the ordinary user.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:51 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Linux has Gnome, and the hated Gnome 3, KDE, and its currently hated environment, and unity, despised by all. On top of all of that you get to spend quite a fun amount of time getting audio, dual monitors or WiFi or: (insert your own issue here) with your specific hardware, and distro flavor. There are many great things, about linux, a unified interface is not one of them.
The ability to choose from the muddied waters of UI options is however quite great.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
First rule of having a great experience with any operating system is having hardware that is well supported by that operating system.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How is the verge any different?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just to clarify… I like the Verge.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Good point!
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 4:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So stop using the wizard?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:28 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Good idea, but what to you do if the wizard blocks your path and shouts “YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!”?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:38 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Funny, but very true. Adding a printer, for example. You can’t just add the printer in one step; you have to let a wizard walk you through it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
One does not simply add printers to Mordor…
Sorry, had to.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 9:56 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
sometimes there’s no obvious way to cancel the wizard, or not clear where to get at the settings you need to do what you need, because the wizard launcher is in the place where you would go first.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Windows has always had huge square UI elements, and I despise the way that the window border is always set at ‘4’ making it really thick around the edges. The Mac’s minimalism was always an attraction.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Paul, I’m sure you are aware of this, but Microsoft is very much after this “chromeless” aesthetic in its Metro design language, and I find using Windows Phone to offer a refreshing focus on content. I hope they can transition Metro to Windows 8 without too many compromises.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:28 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The problem isn’t chrome, it’s function. I don’t speak for Paul, but he probably finds the live tile animations (fly-in/fly-out) just as annoying as the OSX genie minimize animation.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Except that Live Tiles are functional, not decorative.
As for transitional animations, well yes, perhaps users should be given control over this (as they are on Windows), but on a touch device there is merit in keeping the interface “kinetic”; I think the animations are intended to enhance the sense of control one has and to provide some input feedback.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Or rather I should say, “not only decorative.”
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Genie animation is functional too, it shows you exactly where on the dock your window just went. Not enough of a function to justify the chrome perhaps, but a function nevertheless.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Don’t forget the restore animation, which is obviously useful when you restore the minimized windows, especially on multi-screen or large resolution setups, where a single window doesn’t use up all the display space.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 1:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well said, on everything. I get sick of some of the things on OS X to sometimes. :I
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
too*
dammit.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Paul, you can do better than this. Really your beef is with things that waste space, waste time, and ruin productivity. In the end, you just want a robot to do things for you.
And who doesn’t?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree with the fact that things don’t need to be 1:1 metaphors like the address book on OSX. Animations do serve a purpose though. That purpose is to convey quality to the user. Microsoft showed a demo at build comparing some aspects of their Metro UI with and without animations. The difference was very noticeable.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:30 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The genie animation also shows where the window is going/coming from.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:50 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It does, but it is a totally overwrought way of doing it. Window disappears, and lines where the border of the window was collapse in to the taskbar/dock location guides your eyes without being overly silly. It just doesn’t look modern and fancy.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The crucial difference is that with the full squeeze-slurp animation, everybody instinctively knows where it went, even if it happened accidentally and they weren’t watching. It’s corner-of-the-eye-compatible.
The world is made up of FAR more ordinary people who couldn’t give a damn about computers but still need to use them, than of prissy geeks whose fragile little ego might be stepped upon by somebody assuming that they don’t actually write their own OS libraries.
Yes, there is a middle ground, and frankly, I believe Apple tends to tread it fairly squarely. The geeks tend to forget just how out in left field they actually are, and the other extreme is the Microsoft wizards and Clippy.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No. The terminal or command prompt is under-designed. OSX is over-designed. Windows treads the middle ground. Based on the market share, I would think that’s pretty obvious.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Arguably, customer satisfaction is a FAR better gauge of user experience (which is what UI is about) than market share.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:25 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Who gives a shit about drop shadows? What a load of self-indulgent nonsense.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:31 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think you can remove drop shadows in Windows 7.
Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Performance Information and Tools\Advanced Tools “Adjust appearance and performance of Windows”
There are lots of customization options available.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks for this.
I was familiar with that option being in what used to be System Information (win key+pause/break). It’s still there, but when you go via System Information, Windows 7 elevates. I run as a lowly user. So I would switch options there, but they would have no effect on me, because Windows was only changing settings for the admin account.
Multiuser stuff like this still trips me up sometimes. Like: Mapping a drive as a user, and then running a script with admin privileges – the drive you mapped isn’t there!!
I’ll figure it out eventually :’(
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m sad to have to totally agree with this comment. I agree about some of the underpinnings of the article: designers getting in their own way and basically designing for each other instead of people. But it went so far in some strange directions. Pining for original mac icons, complaining about drop shadows? Taking bad design so personally as to think it’s condescending … I just don’t get it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
According to Paul, The Verge should look like a website from 1999!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:32 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I get the same feeling as you, Paul, but for me a larger problem is that now more and more of my productivity is web-based, the lack of consistency across applications messes my head up after a few hours of switching between them. Each of these have their own UI, their own little design features, which really affects my concentration, especially when working on a 13" laptop.
For sure, you can’t expect all these 3rd party developers to start holding hands when they have their own ideas and businesses to run, but I wishmore of them kept to the philosophy of ‘functional simplicity’, or at least gave the opportunity to toggle every feature on or off.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is the UI you are looking for. Geek’s paradise but also simple
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:33 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Can’t beat mint, I run my web server on it.
Well, you can, Arch Linux!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:34 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So many Ubuntu users went to Mint, thanks Unity lol.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:34 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Holy crap, Mint is actually first on distrowatch now.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:36 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Which means nothing. Distrowatch uses Linuxcounter on which you need to sign up and keep your info up to date. So hardcore Linux users will be counted, but not the average grandma who’s running Ubuntu.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 2:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I actually like Fedora’s version of Gnome 3, probably the only one. Now if they could just fix the god awful control panel… Luckily I am becoming proficient with gsettings and gconf-editor, which is not really a good thing.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You really don’t need to reinstall a full distribution to get the desktop you need – this is linux. I prefer running XFce instead of something else that’s based on Ubuntu that’s based on Debian anyway. apt-get will cut your stone in a minute…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
For the retro-enthusiast, let’s not forget AROS (AmigaOS3.1 API compat) – http://aros.sourceforge.net/ – includes ARM, OSX ports and a netbook distro etc. !!!
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 12:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Let’s see them statistics, because I really don’t believe it.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 3:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve really got to get off my ass and jump to the recent Mint.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, it’s actually this:

Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
10.10 was my favorite version of Ubuntu. Now I’m using Mint instead.
Arch Linux is not for the weak.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:45 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
#fragmentation
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But here this fragmentation isn’t always a problem. It’s really only different when you have different package managers. Arch can’t open .deb or .rpm files natively.
And honestly I rarely recommend Linux for noobs but Ubuntubis pretty friendly. Their workspace implementation in Unity is actually very useful IMO.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 2:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I kinda have the same feelings about TheVerge.com’s homepage. “I don’t like the condescending tone.”
Give us a blog view please! 1 story at a time! Love the site and the articles and writers! Homepage is just diarrhea though!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
I have learned to like the homepage design. Single column blog design is harder for me to use now. I took some time to figure out what was going on, but I like it better now.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:39 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Yes. And the gradients. The diagonal gradients are pure form and not that attractive in my opinion.
I have given a name to this style of really heavy sites with many different font faces and colors gradients and knick knacks. I call it “Topolsky Baroque”™.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Try the mobile website :p
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
THIS!!!
At least give us a choice like gizmodo please!
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 5:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just as I was watching the gif of the drop menu in OSX slowly fade out, someone adds a comment and I see the little notification box in the lower corner fade in – in almost the exact same manner.
I’m not complaining or crying heresy, I’m just enjoying the slight irony of it all.
Also, you could have written an article twice as long complaining about nothing other than Apple’s design language for their UIs, and I would have been just as pleased.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Careful now Paul, some of that condescension seems to have seeped into your writing…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
#someone’sgotissues
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
#hashtagmisuse
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:45 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Geoworks Ensmble – clean and simple and easy to use without all the hassle
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree somewhat. But I love big desktop icons, animations, and shadows. Maybe those are the vestiges of pining for Vista on XP :P
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Rubbish, come back when you have removed the OSX bias.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I can’t tell whether this fellow thinks Paul is being too kind or too cruel…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wrote a very long comment up there ^, but I think I can distill the article into one sentence. “I want a UI that conveys absolutely no information whatsoever, because I’d prefer to keep track of all of it in my head.”
And when you put it like that, it sounds absolutely crazy.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:47 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Or DOES IT?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:58 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
yeah, it does…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Makes sense to me. I don’t need a UI that will simply remind me what it has told me several times before. I want a UI that tells me what has changed. I got a text message? Great, I need to check that. I can get to my messaging app by using the app drawer? I kinda already knew that. From the last 100 times you told me. And the fact it was bleeding obvious to begin with.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 1:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
slight edit:
I want a UI that conveys absolutely no information whatsoever, after the first time
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I want a UI with a mind like a diamond
I want a UI who knows what’s best
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 9:34 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The question you have to ask yourself is whether you would be able to get the same amount of productivity without these little “condescending” tweaks that are hell-bent on insulting your intelligence every time you look at the screen.
You are oversimplifying simplicity.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice article, don´t have much to argue against it since, well, its your point of view and its reasonable enough =)
What i find funny though is how you fellas at the verge and various other sites have jumped onto the html5 is awesome, flash so outdated bla bla train and then you don´t use it where possible and what´s your solution? 256 colors gif for animated stuff. Man..
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I actually reduced the numbers of colors on purpose to keep to a certain retro aesthetic.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
haha, ok, it’ll fly this time then =) Dunno how i’ll like it though when in 2-3 years more and more “animation” on the web is done in that 1995 retro esthetic of of pre post flash era..
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think it’s an awesome meta-reference to the contents of the image. It’s an annoying animation conveyed in an annoying format.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
good point =) As i said, a side of me also liked the retro charme of dithered 256- color range animated gifs, but yeah, the other side of me would shudder if that becomes the norm.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
To say something more directly related to your article´s topic:
I´m an indie game developer myself so i know about the constant battle of wanting to make things simple and slick but then one sometimes also wants to have people understand it so then how explanatory and based in metaphors based in real life and asking back does something have to be so lots of people get it?
Its definitely a constant balancing act if one doesn´t just opt for making it understandable and nice to one small niche but wants it to be nice for a broader group of people.
Your article also shows nicely that its a perception thing and very different from user to user.
Two different persons can see very different levels of asking back, adding visual touches to make things more approachable, “based in real life”, or reassuring or asking back as too little or too much.
For example me, i never saw the window shadows or window minimize/maximize transition animations on Mac OS as too much, it never even occurred to me thinking of it as if the OS was wanting to reassure me depth, position or handling, so no problem to me. On the other side i dislike the zoom bigger transition for dialogs on mac OS Lion, i just want them to be there without anim.
A more extreme case example of something i dislike is when the system constantly asks if i want to run an app or task i just asked it to run, like it constantly does on windows meanwhile.
That to me is the wrong usability and security handling approach, cause that for many users leads to looking for the option to turn off any system (security) warnings, so then lead to less security.
In general i just dislike it when the system asks and explains things over and over without giving a good option to just say “got it, skip this exact kinda message and let me know where i can see it again if i want to”.
Maybe a better middle ground is if one could for more more directly set whether one wants this exact type of notification again when it first shows up (like the “dont show me a notification for this exact type of thing ever again” option should be there for all notifications, but then also say where one can change it again when one clicks it, so then it doesn´t annoy one when one doesn´t want to. Same for any kind of shadow or transition effect, it should maybe ask in the corner whether one wants to always see that after having shown it 5-10 times.
So basically my suggestion is that yes, it can start overly explanatory and reassuring but then present the user an easy sense making way to change that forth and back easily on a more direct and granular level.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If cars had hints, maybe people would drive better. The sign has huge white letters on a red background that says STOP. Yet people still seem to have a problem figuring it out. Driving is the worst example if you want to pick something that people are good at. ;)
But yeah, the average computer user outside of us techies has a lot of trouble with the interfaces that we think are oversimplified. Explaining how to use our work macs to coworkers is a huge part of my day. And we all use macs. The switch to Lion was dramatically hard for some of my coworkers…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Long live Mac OS 9!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:51 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
you must hate theverge.com it keeps yelling at to click things
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That is a totally different issue. The Verge isn’t perfect but it is trying to draw you into new article and new information. With an OS you are doing the same thing over and over again, you want it to efficient and fast. Eventually nice animations become boring and repetitive and bland AND a road block to the success of doing the task at hand.
Example I move my Windows laptop between many “unknown” WiFi hotspots and when I connect to a new one a stupid pop up comes up telling me I’m on a new network and how would I like to classify it. I already know I’m on a new network because I just put in the password, I don’t care about classifying beyond known and unknown and the stupid pop up is getting in the way.
Eventually everyone becomes a power user in the tasks they do everyday and they don’t need the OS reminding them what things do and how stuff works.
Needless to say I also use Windows in classic mode, I don’t need Aero telling me what is happening in each window because I already know. My desktop is a closed environment, only I interact with it and KNOW what it is doing without overthought visual cues.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 10:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I can’t help but thinking this feeling of always being condescended to stems from some inferiority complex developed in your youth.
But regardless, I’m willing to bet if you really wanted to you could do the vast majority of your work in a Linux environment where you can customize the UI to your heart’s content. There may be some things you need to do in OSX or Windows, but that’s what dualbooting is for (and yes, it is a viable option when there are only a couple applications you need in Windows/OSX).
Basically, quit whining and make your computer look and behave the way you want it to. It is possible you know.
And you also know exactly why designers have to build “condescending” UIs. Your mom needs to be told what she can click, where her window went when she clicked minimize, and why she can’t see the content in a window covered by another one.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:52 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I understand the whole “not wanting to feel like you’re being talked down to” thing, and I completely agree with how Apple’s recent design decisions have been moving in the wrong direction, especially with iCal and Address Book. But as far as the overall trend is concerned, I couldn’t disagree more. I want a desktop that is not only functional but visually appealing. I want to know where everything is all of the time, so I can access my applications quickly. And if a slick animation or a brushed metal texture or a glossy button can both birds with one stone, I’m all for it.
About the only time I am against a UI element is when it is neither functional nor visually appealing. Like Clippy, for example.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:53 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I disagree with everything associated with this post.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:54 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Even the counter-opinions?
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 1:14 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Especially the counter-opinions
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 5:42 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Check out Fluxbox or Blackbox, I think that is what you are looking for then. Or just straight up Terminal. No UI whatsoever.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m a big fan of CrunchBang: http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/screenshots
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Problem solved.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not really. It’s kind of hard on the eyes.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think you might enjoy this Paul.
Minimalist no frills interfaces sometimes make you realize the importance of shadows and gradients.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m intrigued. This whole piece reads like something a techie Android/Linux user might say. But I was under the impression that Paul uses the iPhone and ?Windows.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This article starts off with a good point about wizards for getting into control panel and the like (which you can switch to classic view, BTW), but then degenerates into a seemingly whiny rant about modern OS’s being too pretty. While I agree that beauty at the cost of speed is detrimental to an OS’s function, I don’t think that anybody with their head on straight wants to go back to the DOS prompt, or even the early GUI environments. Also, for the record, I find the new metro interface on Xbox to be more trouble than it’s worth, and the new Netflix app is uniquely less usable than before. Yes, I said it. I don’t like the metro UI. Originality is nice, but there’s a reason everyone copies each other. What works…works.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:01 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
_I recently switched my Windows 7 install over to the “Classic Theme,” _
This +1.
It is the among the very first things I do when setting up a new Windows box, either for myself or for a client. And I’m pretty sure I could convince myself that it is faster too… There are ways in which Windows 2000 was the best they did, and one of them was the UI.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Definitely not faster – if you switch to classic, it doesn’t use Desktop Composition.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:07 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
now that webOS has become open source, can we put it onto ovens/ fridges/ washers (it’ll be much better than putting onto printers :-)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:07 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I thought the animated GIFs were annoying at first, but then I realized they reinforce Paul’s points. I too grow tired of Apple’s faux-real-object apps, and grow fond of MSFT Metro. Great article.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s worth mentioning that the animated GIFs used here to demonstrate the delays introduced by the UI transitions rather significantly exaggerate how long these transitions take. It’s also worth noting that many of these “annoyances” can be turned off if you don’t like them.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 12:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Fun read.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Paul, I’m a fan of your arguments and writing, but this time around, I’m afraid you disappointed me big time. I just hated this written piece of you.
Complaining about icons and metaphors used in operating systems.. are you being serious? Even worse and to add insult to injury, using of your whining as the center for an editorial piece: how privileged your life must be if this is what doesn’t let you live: Apple’s OS animations. Wow.
You have a strong argumentative thinking and strong points of view Paul. Honor them.
PS: Still like you though..
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:14 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
He made some thoughtful and interesting if entirely subjective criticisms of an operating system I have an emotional attachment to! I’m really disappointed in him!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I feel bad for you. Luckily I’ve never purchased an apple product in my life, so I guess I’ve been spared of your pain. Hang in there.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:54 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Then your objection to Paul, a technology journalist, sharing his opinions about UI trends in an opinion piece on a consumer electronics and technology website is what, exactly?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:44 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Answer: Easy. A bad opinion piece.
(I’m not qualifying the opinion, I’m qualifying the piece. Hope that’s clear enough)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:51 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You’re saying that any piece of writing that describes the author’s subjective opinions is necessarily bad?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No. You’re putting words in my mouth. What I said is that this particular written piece is sub-par with the rest of the fine editorials that Paul has on his back. Opinions are not bad nor good. I’m not criticizing the opinion. I’m criticizing the whining and the crying and presenting it as an editorial worthy of a Gizmodo piece. Paul is way above that.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 6:13 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
This was an editorial commentary, not a tech review or news piece. There is a world of difference. between editorial vs reporting/journalism.
1. This post is an entirely valid, tech editorial. Editorials have their place and relevance. These guys live and breathe technology. Aren’t you here because you value their insights and opinions. If not then it gets creepy.
2. His viewpoint wasn’t black and white Apple is bad, Android is great, Metro is interesting crap, it was a discussion of User Interface and what he perceived as an upsetting trend.
3. If you were going to be paid to write an editorial on UI design what original would you bring to the table?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:55 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Point taken in regards of editorial vs. journalism, which nobody claimed otherwise.
Is just… in my opinion, a poor selection for an editorial piece. And I agree with you, the reason I’m here is because The Verge is THE site I enjoy the most, but that doesn’t imply that I have to blindingly accept as “good” every single piece, and this is one of them, that’s all.
As to your question of what would I had said in the matter…. For starters, I’m no writer, but I don’t think that to
bi#$chelaborate on how much an animation of a window minimizing stresses me out would’ve been my topic of choice for an editorial opinion.Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He wrote about something that matters to him, do you think he’d have written a better piece if he’d written about something he didn’t care about? The fact that this article has a lot of comments indicates that it’s something that matters to a lot of the readers too.
If you have a better idea for an editorial, there’s a forum you can write your opus on, and we can all comment. Some of the posts there have been extremely professional. Knock yourself out.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thank you for your suggestion, yet that still doesn’t change my original claim that this particular article by Paul is crap. You can either chose to agree or disagree. is that simple.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 6:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
UIS have to be utilitarian first. The ribbon isn’t presumptive, it’s merely teh easiest way to display some commonly used functions. Would you rather every OS be like openbox and require a right click and a cascade of menus to unlock everything?
Minimalism in UIs works until its literally getting in the way.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:21 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I can work faster with the Ribbon in Office2010 than I ever could without it in 2003. You can customise it so that every single feature you use is one, or, max, two clicks away. I HATE going back to the drilldown menus – total productivity killer.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:34 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I also rather like the ribbon. Exposing more options in a way that makes them immediately visually apparent is not necessarily condescending. Sometimes it just makes things easier.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Get off my lawn!” Paul?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:22 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
how does the classic theme address any of the complaints you have? all it does is change the borders from fuzzy glass to grey. it’s purely an appearance thing, not UI
i agree with this rant in general, but changing the theme seems rather petty.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sounds like a personal problem dude. I’m really short at 5’5" and I don’t find the “condescending” UI to be an issue really. Though I do find that some frilly animations and gestures keep me from being efficient in my tasks. This is mostly an issue in iOS for me and sometimes in Lion. The minimize and maximize zoom animations in Lion are too slow and dont allow me to click things as fast as i would like. And the left and right transition animations between spaces could be faster. Dont get me started on the “bouncy” iOS like scrolling. I scroll fast and seek and click fast and having to wait for my window to bounce into place before I click gets annoying.
Same idea with deleting emails in the iOS mail app. You have to wait for the genie animation to suck your email into the trashcan before you can delete or read the next one. You’re right, we dont need to see these animations every time to understand where our mail is going when we delete it.
I guess my issue is that you base your arguments on your own personal demons rather than universal problems we all face. While I respect your bravery in disclosing your tormented childhood, I don’t understand how you think this would help your article at all. It just makes you sound whiney and self-centered.
My other issue, as a studied and practicing web UX designer, is that everybody now thinks that they are some UI genius just because they have been using a computer for X long years. It undermines the study and profession of UX.
TL;DR: I agree with your problems but try to avoid coming off as a whiney b#$ch. It devalues your valid arguments. And stop condescending UX professionals by positioning yourself as a UI expert. Also, I love you.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:27 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
You are so right it hurts. I’m tired of all the Apple crap. Lion and iOS seems right for my mom but I miss an OS that doesn’t call me “dumb” all the time.
Still love the “Enlightment” window manager. Simple, useful design.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
BlackBerry: slow web browser, systems go down, but boy is it dead simple and efficient. Then in OS 7 they tried too hard to make it look pretty. Those menus and shortcuts make them super easy for a power user to actually get work done.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Dear Paul:
Thank you for stating so perfectly what I have been thinking for years.
Unfortunately I don’t think either of us will ever be satisfied with UI. Here is why:
Most people are idiots (me included occasionally). If you want to design for the masses (and make money), design for idiots. Hence the state of the current user interface.
And just so you know, there is a screen in all newer Audis that tells you how to start the car every time you put the key (or whatever it’s called) in the slot.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:32 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Computers aren’t made for Paul Miller. They’re made for people who are somewhat intimidated by technology. The rest of us work around it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I use windows 7 classic as well, although I also change the task bar to be old style as well, with the classic quick launch and text titles on my open applications.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I still love Ubuntu. I don’t like Unity. I just switched it to Gnome 3. Why change up your whole OS just because you don’t like Unity? I mean, this is Linux, you can change EVERYTHING almost.
Also I would like to say that Paul has the most charming and interesting Posts on the Verge. Great Stuff Paul.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OMG!!! Brilliant article Mister Miller! Thanks for that awesome read! :-)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
As others have said, various advanced UI options are available on Linux desktops. Some (most?) may not be able to use Linux for their daily work, but not all UIs are designed for people who don’t know how to use a computer.
That’s one of the things I like about Linux. I can have it my way.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Computers are not designed for Paul Miller. They are designed for people who aren’t confident using technology. The rest of us tweak, work-around and get on with our business.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And post things twice on the same article because I swear to god that first one never showed up until just now. I even searched my username instances on this page, WTF?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Is there a word for people who assume they’re being condescended to? Some combination of “paranoid” and “arrogant” maybe?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:50 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Nope, just arrogant.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Santa, I’ve been good this year. Please kill the ribbon.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Ribbon makes perfect sense, I really don’t understand why some people have such a problem with it. It’s customizable, it makes your options more visually apparent, and it requires fewer clicks to get things done. That’s a good UI almost by definition.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well Paul…
Learn to touch type. My mother was an exeutive secretary (these jobs no longer exist) and could type 96 words a minute on an IBM Selectric (or equivilent). It is certainly doable.
Learn Unix (or varients). ASCII is the interface. Unix is amazingly elegant. You will learn to appreciate the elegance and simplicity.
Need to do somethng? Write a shell script.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Shell scripts are for wimps, real men just use the command line …..
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So not only is the UI stealing resources, it’s talking down to me as well?
I hadn’t thought of it like that, all accidental, but at the same time it would be interesting to see if anyone thinks to do anything about it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:53 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Paul, you can also re-enable Quick Launch that they removed in Windows 7 (and can make icons smaller too on bottom toolbar. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/975784
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If fancy graphics aren’t your thing, green-screen IBM mainframes are still around. Enjoy!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I dozed off in the middle of this post … its just an Andy Rooney rant but with soft soothing voice of Paul Miller. I don’t think UI’s are written specifically with Paul in mind.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
As a Win7 user, I disagree with the author on most points. Reasons:
- The OS is designed for the masses. Use the Terminal for sharper controls.
- In Windows you can always turn off the ‘condescending’ animations
However, I agree that showing the wizard every time you have a problem is downright stupid. This is more accentuated by the fact that none of the wizards ever ‘work’ properly when they are needed. They never EVER identify the problem. Example- network troubleshooting.
I do not know how this problem can be solved, or whether this is a big enough of a problem to justify the design changes required, but I do know that Metro is NOT the solution. Perhaps its something more obvious, so subtle a change that will drive people insane thinking about how they could have thought about it themselves, yet they did not. Or perhaps its something bigger, a whole new UX, not three-freaking-D, not ribbon-y, not glowy, but something so radical that it seems disgusting at first, but later it makes perfect sense.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This amuses me greatly.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice article, really enjoyed it!
I know I may get slaughtered here – just an opinion folks! – but whenever I’ve had to work on Macs I’ve always found it to be so cumbersome. Only thing I like is Exposé, which weirdly when put on Windows just feels totally wrong no matter how much you tweak it. My latest thing is to make the Win7 task bar auto hide. Having a full screen web browser is THE BUSINESS. Also there’s a registry hack to make the task bar appear quicker when you hover over the bottom, but I actually found myself turning it back to the default as it proved too twitchy in other parts of Windows (it affects more than just the task bar hover time.). Got that idea after trying the latest Ubuntu build.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is a great question to ask, even if I disagree with how you answer it. What are the principles/guidelines to use when, visually at least, you now have the power to do anything? My own preferred approach would be “minimise everything to the greatest degree possible, then add back a few visual flourishes for context, discernability, and delight (with the more flashy the flourish, the rarer it is designed to be activated)”. Lion, in my eyes, actually comes pretty close (though I would change Contacts and iCal and put some colour into the Finder sidebar). Metro, on the other hand, drives me up the wall – the always-in-motion hubs are far too flashy for their constant activation, while everything else looks far too similar to be easily discernible – I find Metro beautiful to look at, but not to use. What was good about Windows 95 or Mac OS 8, I have no idea.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:17 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I don’t think I’m being looked down upon or anything but I just hate it when a perfectly good working feature is tinkered with for the sake of change or for some delusional belief that if it ain’t broke, then break it. Office ribbon is atrocious and the most frustrating thing to use. Windows 7 toolbar change from XP and all the verboseness in Control Panel…ugh!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sounds like you want to be using MS-DOS or something – no fancy chrome to distract you from functionality.
I understand some of your complaints but overall it just sounds silly, like this for example. “Microsoft’s oddly-sized minimize / maximize / close buttons in Windows 7 are only there to help, but they also hint at some lack of eye-hand coordination on my part.”
The fact that you could hit those buttons even if they were 6×6 pixels doesn’t mean that that’s what they should be. since 6×6 pixels is always going to be harder to hit than 16×16. Microsoft’s designers tried to achieve balance between making the buttons large enough to be easy to hit, and keeping them aesthetically pleasing – there’s nothing condescending about that, it’s what’s called good UI design.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:41 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Interestingly I found this article to be incredibly condescending. :)
Also the use of animated gifs within article is an outright atrocity. Animations mixed in articles make it incredibly difficult to read the text as the eye keeps getting pulled to the animation.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:44 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
THIS.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
clearly YOU are not the consumer they have in mind.
take care of the middle of the road consumers for the most gain, dont focus on the outliers, they will be forced to follow suit.
everyone knows the average consumer needs to be pandered to
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This and exactly this. That’s really all that needs to be said.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The whole “this” thing is old and obnoxious. Is it too hard for you to instead say, “yes, I agree with you”?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:52 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Better yet hit the recommend button and move on.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sure, I could. However, I’m sure you would think that got old and complain just as obnoxiously about it, so I fail to see the point.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A great line from one of the guys that does MacBreak Weekly (PixelCorps guy).. he always says Apple is a 90/90 company: they want to please 90% of the people 90% of the time. Shooting for 100% leads to mediocre design. Paul, being a writer on this site, is obviously an outlier. If Windows or Mac OS X was designed for him no one would use it.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 2:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This article seems to be campaigning for the most absolutely ugly interfaces… The minimization of the window in OSX isn’t just to teach the User where the window, it’s there to be beautiful and ‘fun’. The retro Windows 95 styles may be good for nostalgia, but they are just god-awful ugly. Rounded corners aren’t speaking down to you, they’re just trying to be visually interesting…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Isn’t all that subjective?
I think Windows Classic is much more beautiful than the textured chrome of MacOSX. The latter feels tacky to me.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes it’s subjective, but MOST people would agree that Lion looks infinitely better than the boxy, clunky, clumsiness of Windows Classic.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If by beautiful, you mean ‘retro’… it was designed to ape OS 9.
Paul longing for OS 9 is puzzling to me.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 2:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In my book the worst offences are exemplified in 3 instances
1. The skeuomorphic addressbook and iCal in Lion.
2. The kitsch colored glow when you mouse over taskbar items in Windows 7, especially the Windows icon. Also Google’s effort to mimic such effect in Chrome’s tab bar.
3. Excessive amount of animation in Windows Phone 7, Everything flies or pivots or pulses, it gets old quicker than a scallop on a frying pan.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:01 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I loved what John Siracusa said about iCal and AddressBook (and the page turn animations of iBooks). That they were intended to catch the eye of potential new users in much the same way as an overbright ‘demo mode’ is intended to make a TV look alluring in the shop.
Maybe Apple just needs to provide us a single toggle switch somewhere to turn down the eye-candy.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You know what I find infuriating?
So you’re searching Google, nbd.
And instead of searching what you wanted it to search for.
It says, “showing results for this other thing instead.”
By DEFAULT.
No.
Stop it.
Stop assuming I can’t type.
Or that I don’t know what I want.
Just stop.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:08 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Really? 95% of the time I hit that prompt, it’s because I made a typo. I love that feature.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But it doesn’t say, “did you mean?” like it used to.
It PRE-EMPTIVELY searches for something you didn’t type. Drives me nuts.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, it has your other term as the “Did you mean…” link. So really, it’s saving me way more clicks than it costs me.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Goes to show that one size really doesn’t fit all…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But it fits MOST, and you’re in the minority. Sorry, buddy.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Glad to know you’ve conducted a statistically significant survey and determined what “most” people like when it comes to every given UI element. If only one of the big three would hire you, then all the world’s interface problems would be solved huh?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t have to conduct a survey; don’t be ridiculous. If it weren’t helpful to most people, Google would have removed it a long time ago.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:24 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Part of the essential problem, and why interfaces have evolved in this direction, is that most people don’t care to learn computer software the way they learned to drive a car. No one except tech blog readers and writers (and by extension their ilk, such as programmers) cares enough to learn keyboard shortcuts. Digging through menus? No thanks.
Most people have a task they want to accomplish, and the more the computer helps them do that without getting in their way, the better. Requiring you to learn things about the computer and its interface (as opposed to the task you want to do) is just overhead baggage.
You could consider this just plain intellectual laziness, or you could call it a natural aversion to unnecessarily complicated user interfaces, like the classic WIMP (Windows Icons Menus Pointers) interface with the desktop and file folders metaphor that has slow strangled interaction design as a discipline in its crib.
All I know for sure is that the moment you put Terminal in your dock instead of leaving it buried in the Utilities folder, OS X stops being condescending and lets you do whatever the heck you want. Same for installing Cygwin on Windows (and/or Ruby, Perl, Python, or if you have the patience, learning Powershell).
You want to get past all the UI cruft and go straight to the pure, unfettered digital experience? Learn how to do work on a command line instead of just play around. A good start is pressing cmd-space, typing “terminal”, pressing return, and then typing “vimtutor” and pressing return. Now you’re well on your way to learning how to edit text like a real maestro. A true virtuoso, like the bearded Unix hackers of old. Not only are you now learning how to use vim, you did it without your mouse!
I refer you to a classic essay by Neal Stephenson, In the Beginning was the Command Line: http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:20 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think your car-driving metaphor and computer interfaces is particularly relevant actually. Most people are happy with an automatic transmission and can happily drive that way for years, and for most types of driving it is adequate. As well most people find a ribbon-infested overly cartoonish 1:1 metaphor-ridden interface adequate and ‘friendly feeling’.
But, just like us race car drivers that need a proper manual transmission with pedals properly arranged for heel and toe, there is something more necessary in a computer interface from a productivity standpoint that helps one actually operate the computer faster and more efficiently.
Sure, the command line or run menu is helpful – it’s much more concise, but it’s an extremely raw view – you don’t take advantage of a UI at all – you might as well be back in 1982. With Fred Flintstone.
What a typical interface with decent amounts of menus and key commands (I’m thinking an Office 2003 generation app as an example) affords the user is the ability to develop faster and faster methods of using a UI using a steady stream of input like the command line, but not having to constantly stoop to interruptive steps like paging through a ribbon or watching an inane graphic. Just like approaching a turn on a racetrack, the driver is able to turn / brake / gas / adjust yaw / exit in one fluid motion, rather than dealing with physically interruptive motions. The continual ‘improvements’ completely forget the fact that there were some of us that already knew how to play that instrument well, and didn’t need the dumbing down.
What’s really funny is that both production car manufacturers and UI designers seem to be heading in the same direction – stooping further and further to the least common denominator of a user – engineering a ‘friendly’ design that leaves a pro user frustrated.
Condescending – you nailed it Paul. Thanks!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:10 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The kind of tool you’re thinking of, which combines the /discoverability/ of GUI apps and menus with the /rapid efficient input/ of command line tools, does exist, but they’re niche. Quicksilver or Launchy come to mind. Spotlight. You use a keystroke to pull up the interface, start typing, and it suggests things that match. With Quicksilver in particular, with a few more keystrokes you can execute complex actions without having to look anything up.
Many visual software editors, like Visual Studio and IntelliJ, do something similar with code completion, folding, etc.
A couple of interesting approaches that I have enjoyed are the old school console-based menu programs (e.g. – DOS Edit or Pine), where you could quickly learn keystrokes from the menu system directly, or the keyboard shortcuts menu in Chrome OS or Gmail (press ? and you get a nice handy list).
Still, making intelligent contextual help available at the point of action and easily navigable by keyboard should be the holy grail of efficient, discoverable, and intuitive interface design for desktop and laptop style computers, but nobody has really come up with a great system. It’s still either waste hours memorizing arcane keyboard shortcuts and console commands or slowly wade through a morass of icons and menus and folders to get shit done.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
We know. Andy Rooney is dead. Don’t try to replace him. I got tired of his complaining ALSO.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The cascade is relentless, but you have got to feel pity for those who’ve been using a DAW for decades past. The horrible knobs, sliders, etc. I cringe when I see similar metaphors invading my desktop.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“The next 10,000 times, it’s mainly just slowing me down.”
Baloney. It’s rendered by the GPU and you don’t have to sit there and watch it, you know? Just click and go to the next thing. And your OS X menu rendering animation is playing at, what, 1/100th speed? It happens in the blink of an eye on my MBP.
As it happens, I agree with the skeuomorphic interface choices, but it seems Apple is listening there, too. The latest version of iBooks on the iPad adds a “clean” mode that allows you to dump the fake book binding and pages.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:18 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Paul, you should give Linux + XMonad a try. No bells, no whistles,, I love this combo. Excellent editorial, by the way.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I honestly get excited when I see an editorial written by you Paul. You are a great writer and I love the honesty that that is wrapped in your writing. You really have a talent and the whole staff at The Verge has the ability to capture my attention. Keep up the good work my friend.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
While I agree that Apple’s recent spiral into skeuomorphic UI design is horribly obnoxious, I found everything else about this article entirely pretentious and over-dramatic. What you, and most people making similar arguments fail to realize, is that not everyone using computers are design-freak computer geeks like most of us Verge readers. You wonder why these design elements seem to be “condescending”? They are. They’re supposed to be? Do you know why? Most people are stupid. It’s as simple as that.
Think about your average “Joe Plumber” computer user. Do you think they care that menu animations are slightly different? Do you think they even NOTICE the menu animations?
-For the record, your animation of the Apple menu is absolutely ridiculous and entirely misleading- Sure, we could do without the “torn page” look in the calendar or the bookshelf look or whatever else, but people obviously like that or Apple simply wouldn’t do it. You don’t think they’ve carefully thought out each design element and how the general user will interpret them?While I understand your concerns in certain areas, the article as a whole came off as a “I miss back before ______ was cool. I totally liked it before it was popular and now that it better suits more people, I don’t like it anymore.” In translation, you come off as a sort of hipster-nerd. You don’t like rounded corners because you think it means the designer was trying to keep you from getting poked? Come on. Most people like the look of slightly rounded corners, and that’s precisely why they do it. I’m sorry that most operating systems just are not cool enough for you, since they’re dumbed down for all of those foolish peasants who don’t know how to manage a file system through the terminal or even switch over to a different theme.
TL;DR version: Ironically, I found your entire article to be vastly more condescending than any of the issues you attempted to illustrate.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:43 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
+1 !!!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Really? We’re calling Verge writers “hipster-nerds”? I thought we left this element with Engadget?
Amazing how personally people are taking this stuff – what, are you a rounded corner or something??
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh and, again with the “most people” thing.
“Most people” like rounded corners?
Absurd.
Speak for yourself. Unless you [i]just know[/i] what “most people” thing. Like, you’re THAT connected with the man on the street, man.
People accuse Paul Miller of being condescending in his article, but I say this: At least he had the honest to speak for himself without pretending to speak for “most people”.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m not even going to bother commenting on the irony of your comment “Amazing how personally people are taking this stuff” considering the ridiculous tirade immediately below it.
I don’t speak for anyone but myself, but the fact that nearly every major OS uses the same design concepts should tell you that, yes, that’s what most people like.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Metro is dominated by right angles. There probably isn’t a single curve in the interface.
It’s hard to make any definitive statements about Android given the number of its guises, but again, you’ll find that a lot of the corners aren’t rounded. I just got out my phone and volumed up and down – one of the few examples of a “pop-up” box in Android. On the version I have – completely sharp corners.
The screenshots of Windows 8’s desktop interface on the Building Windows 8 blog feature sharp, unrounded corners:
http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-43-metablogapi/0435.New2D00_Task_2D00_Manager_2D00_with_2D00_160_2D00_logical_2D00_processors_5F00_thumb_5F00_6E9E4540.png
http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-29-43-metablogapi/1881.Windows2D00_8_2D00_booted_2D00_from_2D00_SATA_2D00_drive_2D00_with_2D00_UEFI_5F00_thumb_5F00_01A96B18.png
Windows 8 metro interface, of course, has no rounded corners.
Looks to me like Microsoft is intentionally moving away from rounded corners. That’s one example of a UI element you claim “most people” like.
What say you?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:59 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
To expand further – the web in particular has moved far away from glossy, rounded, “3D” looking things. Google’s moved to a flatter look with barely rounded edges. Facebook has always kind of looked like that. The Verge’s UI elements consist either of rectangles or perfect circles. Mathias Duarte claimed that if you saw the kind of design languages in today’s operating systems on the web, you would “laugh at them”. I tend to agree. Over time, the websites that rose to the top were uncluttered and clean. Solid colours have beaten textures. Gradients, if used, are generally very mild. Most importantly, when you click a link, there isn’t an overwrought animation of text flying at you to let you know something is happening. And yet, somehow, people don’t struggle with using Google or Facebook or Wikipedia.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:21 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I like how you have to start giving examples of websites to try and bolster your claim, even though it had absolutely nothing to do with your actual argument. The fact that Metro is your only example proves my point.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Um.
No.
The point is, interface design is moving away from rounded corners, which kind of nullifies your (completely unfounded) argument that “most people” prefer rounded corners.
Metro isn’t my only example.
Windows 8’s desktop interface is not “metro”.
Google is not “metro”.
Facebook is not “metro”.
The Verge is not “metro”.
You are not an expert on “most people”, sorry. You’re just some dude. Deal with it.
Posted on Dec 16, 2011 | 2:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I found Launchpad so insultingly stupid that I immediately deleted it from OSX in terminal.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Then you have some weird self esteem problems. You can drag it out of the dock and never notice it again just fine. Deleting it through terminal for no good reason just makes you the condescending snob here.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:07 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Exactly.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
and the fact that you launched terminal at all probably indicates that particular feature wasn’t really aimed at you… which is probably why it isn’t locked into the dock a’la Finder or Trash
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Who is it for, though? Having your Applications folder as a Stack in your dock is a far better solution that already existed.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 10:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A cohesive and comfortable UX is as big a leap as the leap from the CLI to the GUI. The detractors of this change are just as mistaken as those who clung to the CLI, Are there situations where a CLI is better? Of course. Just like there are situations where a simplistic or muted UI can be better.
Does that mean the last 10 years of UI progress have all been mistaken and we reached the peak of desktop interaction with Windows 95 and Mac OS 9? Of course not, that’s completely idiotic. To even make such an assertion smacks of such arrogance I can’t even believe it was published as an editorial. As we make these changes, the number of people actually using their computers rises dramatically. If you honestly think we would have 2011 PC usage numbers with a 1995 UX (more actually, as you are asserting this is a negative overall and therefore was holding back the industry), you are straight up crazy.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:10 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
The objective of UI Design is to make complex functionality available to non-technical people, hopefully not getting in the way of more experienced users, but the priorities are clear. If an effect, animation or mode makes a machine more pleasant and easy to use for the general public, it should stay, whiny bloggers be damned. When the general public becomes familiar enough with classic computer UIs and they start whining about this, only then Paul’s opinions might matter, but I think ‘the general public’ will just stop using ‘classic computers’ before this gets a chance to happen.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:12 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Best article ever!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:35 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I like animation transitions in my UI. It gives it a sense of wholeness to the UI, like it’s not just a bunch of digital images. When you can seem windows minimize with an effect or a screen rotate it makes it feel tangible.
It’s why iPads are so pleasant to use and why OSX is so fun. It’s a much more intimate experience.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
While I understand the fascination, I don’t get the tendency that geeks have to want things that are overly complicated. Is it like some sort of achievement for you people? “Achievement unlocked: I understand complex computer interfaces! Yay!” Give me a fucking break.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:58 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
All those little details are useful. That’s one of the things I personally like about the design in Windows 7: almost every design detail has a meaning. You can remove all this but it will feel like you will lose a sense.
When I first used the new Metro UI on Windows 8 Developer Preview with a mouse, it felt like I lost my tactile sense. You have to click everywhere to find out if this is a button or just a headline, you have to follow the cursor more mindful. While the interface does look clearer, it needs more attention.
I’m against faking an interface that tries to look “real”, but it is important to have more than just pixels. The elements should show what they can do, before you use them in a simple and unintrusive way. Always. At the end of the day this is what design is all about: showing HOW you can use things. An user interface is the “translator” between the user and the machine. A silent translator is useless.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:17 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The problem Paul Miller highlights is that many of these animations are useful the first time, or the first few times only. I concur, in that, I don’t need to see my window actually being minimised to know that’s what’s happening. Does it hurt? Well, personally, I find it distracting. I love the difference I feel when I turn it off, click something, and it appears instantly. It makes the OS feel snappier. Placebo, maybe, but there you go.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Paul Miller: Iconoclast.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I know geeks tend to be paranoid people, but… wow.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
hands up if you just changed from “genie effect” to “scale effect”?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Funny thing is that with Lion I hardly ever minimize, because most of my Apps are running full screen anyway.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:30 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So the reasons you hate modern UIs (for the eye candy effects) is the exact same reason I love them.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:04 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
“It’s saying “look how minimal I am,” but in the loudest way possible."
I like minimal, but i also like impacting UIs! Like the Windows 8 Metro style. Aesthetic is part of a pleasant experience, and maybe it’s how a UI becomes enchanting.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There I a common idea among designers that you should be designing for the extremes. This OXO product is the best example. We can’t take away subtle nudges in software and have it work the same way for everyone.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If anything is worth complaining about it’s that we’re still using UI and UX design that was fresh and exciting in the late 70s/early 80s. It’s exactly the same today, except it looks pretty.
Yet, he’s complaining about drop shadows? Has he forgotten that it’s pretty much necessary in OS X as they’ve done away with window borders.
You can change the minimize animation to a simple scale effect (I don’t really like the genie effect for some reason).
Apple’s sudden infatuation with application themes that mimic their real-world counterpart can die in a fire, though.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:25 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
In truth, I agree with you by in large, and the general “Metro” aesthetic really seems to be the closest we’ve come to avoiding the Looney Toons of the iOS world.
In using a Windows Phone for a couple days now, I would argue that the animation effects in the phone really serve more of a purpose than the lack there of, or the more hoaky ones, on other platforms. As well, there is a little bit of distinctness with the creative push on type. Also, in terms of this “information density” comment, does this truly matter? While select apps exist which take whitespace wild (I’m looking at you Flickr), most seem to present enough information to get the idea across while not overwhelming you, but also intriguing you. An iOS experience feels excessively stale and tired, and I can’t speak for the rest, but I’m whole heartedly behind Metro and evolving it in a way different than the rest.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t know, I would rather think that the following is more condenscending:
“Here’s an empty command line. You should know how to use it. Noob”
I agree that some UIs are overstated, and I love minimalism, but I would argue you’re going a bit too far. Many of the things you mention, like the Ribbon UI for instance, have been evolutions for me, not going backward.
I think too many people attribute good UIs simply to practices they are used to.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
excellent read. thanks paul. i’ve reverted back to my windows 95 look as well. i’m liking it so far.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 10:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I just have to say that that was a thought provoking piece. Something actually worth reading.
I apologize for throwing the following tangential thoughts into the wind below.
This article got me to thinking how overwhelming the beginning phases of using a new operating system can be and the need for some sort of stabilization/standardization of that interface. Standardization allows things to “fall to hand,” in a time saving way, but it also helps us as we age. How many of us have known seniors that lose sense independence after a big move, or a big fire. It’s (perhaps) because they can no longer process new ideas in an efficient manner… things are no longer “falling to hand” anymore and it reveals how they’ve been on autopilot in a manner of speaking.
The reality is we all lose the ability to assimilate new frameworks as we age to varying degrees. Having the explanations is nice for these people, however, we need to be considering what will happen to us as we age… standards need to be implemented such that the WE as an aging population aren’t left behind during some trendy interface paradigm shift. How much more difficult will our senior years be if we’ve been through 40 differing computer interfaces all designed with change for change’s sake in mind?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 10:28 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Paul, I respect your opinion, I really do, but I just don’t like it when smart people complain about things that don’t keep up with how smart they are. You are smart I get that. Don’t go plastering it over the verge making everyone feel bad that their mother can’t learn the intricacies of Windows 7. I honestly prefer most of the things in the operating system that you just bashed. Your complaints are that they tried to make things look nicer… wonder why they did that. I really hate the layout and lack of division in the old OSX apple menu bar. The new version makes everything that much more clear. The GIF file you used to show the movement of the window is just ridiculous. If you play something enough, and place it correctly in an article it’s going to make the reader angry, but at you instead of at the file change. These changes are made because they are simpler, not because they are condescending. I would hate to go back to the organization that older version of OSX had. I’m gonna be honest, the drop shadows are a nice touch. Are you just trying to make Matias Duarte happy? Cause I’m pretty sure he’s the only person I know who would agree with you.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:10 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
What, no Linux love?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Linux=Android w/o market share. Nobody likes it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well considering 98% of webserver’s run on Linux, I respectfully disagree. Not to mention the Verge’s site is running on a Linux 2.69 server.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He means consumer devices. “modern computer user interfaces (also, all microwave user interfaces)” I was wondering how many people who aren’t involved in webservers even know what the latest release of Linux is or even what Linux is for that matter. Go to a mall, ask people “What is your favorite version of Linux?” They will have no clue. Ask the same question but put in “Mac OSX” and they’ll probably say, “You mean like an Ipad?” or something like that. The average person knows Mac and Windows not Linux. And that is the audience of this article. When you write an essay this is what my Honors U.S. History Teacher said to all of us. S.O.A.P.S. Subject Objective Audience… you get the point. He’s not writing this to people who manage Webservers.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Servers? Or People? Right.. servers.
You’re not actually disagreeing with Gandreae
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 2:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey, I’m a developer working on Haiku, and I have to say it was pretty awesome to see it here on the Verge :) As I read the article, I was thinking that you would love Haiku, I scrolled down a bit and there it was!
I’m going to take this opportunity to mention that Haiku Inc. (the non-profit org that supports Haiku development) has recently hired one of our developers to work full time for 6 months, with the possibility of a 6 month extension if the funds come through. This is a big step for Haiku, and anyone who is watching and waiting to see what comes can help keep things running smoothly by making a donation at haiku-os.org. Thanks for the interest, and the great article as well.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
All GUIs are condescending. It’s how they roll. Of all of the thousands of things you could do with your computer, they put a handful on the “desktop” as if to say this is what you should be doing.
I mean, look at the button to minimize a window (in any modern OS). It’s just kind of insulting that they would include that gaudy bauble at all. Why do they assume that I want to minimize that window? How do they know what I want to do? Do they get some sort of kickback for subtly encouraging me to minimize windows? Or even just to make it easier to minimize windows? I’m probably wasting resources by needlessly minimizing those windows, even when I don’t have to.
Fight the power, man!
Here is the interface of absolute freedom -
A:
And the rest of the screen is blank. A: isn’t judging you. A: isn’t babying you. A: doesn’t think it’s any of his business what you do with your computer, and he wouldn’t presume to make any suggestions.
A: means its up to you to do whatever you want. All choices are equally valid in the mind of A:. It won’t try to influence you, or encourage you, or “shape” your behavior.
A: offers you complete freedom.
Are you man enough to take it?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think we all agree that we should let Paul see someone… he’s got some issues that need working out.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
+1 to be honest
Posted on Dec 13, 2011 | 1:30 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow! This article is the definition of masturbation. Doesn’t even take ten minutes to get almost any version of the Windows UI to look and feel the way you want. Did The Verge pay good money for this type of tripe… or are you a co-founder?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
There was a great unwritten system in place already and I don’t know why it changed. File Edit Tools Windows Help were a great way that was used across many applications. I can’t find shit on the ribbon because it replaces lists of text with a jumble of icons. I spent my formative years learning to read and write, not playing a giant game of memory.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 12:21 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Having trouble deciding if Paul Miller is this gerneration’s John C. Dvorak or Any Rooney.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 1:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Speaking of UI’s that are condescending. How about no comment editing for typos. hehheh
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 1:04 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The UI design field has been stagnant for at least a decade now – ever since the breakthrough of GUI’s and what we now call WIMP (Windows, Icons, Menus, Pointers) interfaces came, the industry had stopped functioning, in a sense – what we see are the likes of fancy paintjobs and alloy wheels on a Ford Model T – be it Apple’s Aqua, the revamped Android UI of the ICS, or even GNOME3 or Unity; all is simply the same old wine in flashier bottles.
What the industry truly needs, is a brand new direction – something different from the age-old windows, icons and menus. Metro is one step in the right direction, but unfortunately carries quite some baggage from the past.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 1:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Did you know you can click this? Don’t forget there’s a save button over here! Let me walk you to your control panel.”
Hasn’t this been solved with the tick box that says, “Never show this again” (eg. the first time you launch iWork, you get the ‘tourguide’, and can tick the box so you never see it again). That’s there for precisely the reason Paul is complaining: once you know how to do something, you don’t need the guide.
The ‘Genie the bottle’ animation has been removed from OS X (I’m running Snow Leopard), so hopefully Apple is listening.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 2:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I like your editorials Paul, even if I don’t agree with all of it.
I’m with you on the fact that Aero is an overly gaudy mess and really needs to embrace the value of subtlety, but I would’t say Windows classic is the epitome of a great UI either. I like graphical flourishes when they serve a purpose. Little animations here and there IMHO make something feel more real and cohesive, makes something a bit more enjoyable to use. It seems pretty easy to go overboard on that though.
Metro is great UI design, but a bit restrictive. The direction Google is taking Android in seems really good too. Something can be beautiful and delightful without being excessive and condescending.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 5:35 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
" I like graphical flourishes when they serve a purpose. Little animations here and there IMHO make something feel more real and cohesive, makes something a bit more enjoyable to use"
Great point. I think the inertial scroll and the ‘bounce’ at the end of a list in iOS is a great example of that. It’s actually useful, and if it wasn’t there you would be annoyed. Great design should be ‘painful’ if it wasn’t there. If not, it’s fluff.
For the last few months, I’ve been thinking about Apple’s ‘overly’ textured designs in iOS that seem to be making their way to Mac OS X.. Steve insisted on this (textures in Address Book and Calendar). What you must understand is that iOS is the future and Mac OS X is the past. Cars and Trucks, respectively. Very soon, iPads will be shipping with OS X. Or is it Macbook Airs with iOS? Who knows. By then it won’t really matter, because they’ll be so similar. Why does OS X have these iOS flourishes? Because it’s merging with iOS.
So why does iOS have them? I don’t think it’s just flashy/useless, I really think it’s because iOS doesn’t have a dock (what Windows users call the.. um.. Taskbar?). Because there’s no taskbar, each app needs its own visual cues so you know what app you’re in. It’s a subtle thing. It’s not like, “Dur, obviously it’s a Calendar.. I’m in the Calendar app”.. It’s not about that. It’s because of what the iPad is. iPad is all about the software. You’re holding this piece of glass in your hands, and the idea is that this device can BECOME whatever you want it to be. That’s why you need/want to have strong visual designs. It’s not flashy, it’s to convince you that you’re holding a real calendar in your hands :S. If you have enough lush textures (maybe Steve thought…) you would feel like you were holding a real book (as the pages turn), a real calendar, a real address book, etc.
Look at the DJ/Music Creation apps. They’re also trying to ‘ape’ the real knobs etc. That’s because they are REPLACING hardware devices. A familiar look and style is useful, and it makes something easier to learn how to use. The iPad software should never need a user-manual, hence the visual cues.
Just a theory.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 6:27 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
well said.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 9:01 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions