HP has finally decided the fate of webOS today, and it's an open one: the platform will be contributed to the open source community. The company says that it will be an "active participant and investor in the project," and that its ultimate goal here is to accelerate development. In other words, it doesn't want to pump the amount of money into webOS that would be required to make it fully competitive, so it's looking to the public to help make that happen.
As for Enyo — the app framework that underpins webOS 3 and the TouchPad — HP says that it will be contributed in the "near future" along with "the remaining components of the user space." There's no specific verbiage in HP's press release about what won't be contributed, but PreCentral has learned that patents related to webOS will remain under HP control "to protect developers."
It remains to be seen what (if any) hardware HP directly produces for the newly-opened operating system, but it says that today's move creates "the opportunity to significantly improve applications and web services for the next generation of devices," so it certainly expects someone to fill those hardware shoes — and in this model, of course, anyone will be welcome to do so.
The move feels similar to the one that Nokia made several years ago in the creation of the Symbian Foundation to foster open source development of that platform, and that didn't work out too well — it later shuttered the organization, brought Symbian's development back in house, and ultimately announced its long-term phase-out in favor of Windows Phone. Of course, HP isn't a mobile company the same way Nokia is, so it isn't as immediately critical that it find and implement a successful mobile platform. Either way, webOS's fight for relevance is a long, uphill one.
HP has also posted a brief set of FAQs about today's move. Regarding the future of HP-branded webOS hardware, the company says that it will "explore the viability of putting webOS on devices, just as we do for other leading operating systems" — in other words, it doesn't sound like there'll be much favoritism here when it comes time to select a mobile platform (or a printer platform). It also doesn't sound like we should expect any new devices any time soon. For current owners, though, the good news is that they'll "continue to receive software improvements and updates in the future."


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Better than death
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend (60) Flag actions
or being on printers
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend (41) Flag actions
Oh, this won’t keep it off of printers.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:36 PM EST reply Recommend (81) Flag actions
Well maybe not the sentient overlord printers of the future.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:39 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
In fact, it will now be put on ALL the printers.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:54 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Remind me why you want a smartphone OS on a printer again?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:01 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Mike said it will be not that he wants it :)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Exactly. I’m just saying. Before it was Android, now it’ll be Android and WebOS on ALL THE THINGS.
Toaster? Well, might as well slap Android or WebOS on it!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:57 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
And why should I not want a toaster that learns my brown-ness preferences
-- and conveniently displays adds for jelly while I wait?Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 9:56 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Spend a few hours bashing your fingers against an enterprise MFD and you won’t have to ask.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:19 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Doesn’t even have to be enterprise. I’d love for my home HP multifunction to run a WebOS variant.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You`re doing something really wrong. MFD, and enterprise ones especially, are all set up through internal http pages. You get a simple list of options/presets on the touchscreen, and that`s that.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And those options are generally unhelpful, uninformative and obscure. Figuring out the exact set of obscure icons to take a scan and email it as pdf is not a pleasant experience.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Um… what’s this? Don’t flame me, but I actually enjoyed playing with some of HP’s HP’s PhotoSmart printers back when I worked for them, and touch was still kind of a luxury feature. Check this one out, I always felt that they had potential, if the proper apps were written. Point-of-Sale came to mind….
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/11/11842/12126808.jpg
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
At least death would bring us some closure. Now we get to watch this and, ugh, Tizen drag their corpses through the next few months until they finally fade into obscurity.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:39 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
Vlad’s right…“Occupy HP”! Lets end this nonsense!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:44 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
What are the terms this is being open source or licensed under – how do we know this will actually go anywhere and not result in having its core ideas taken by other platforms?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:45 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Lack of openness didn’t protect Apple from having its IP ripped off by others.
/start_os_pissing_match
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:24 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I really hoped that WebOS tech would be made available so other companies could license their patents and integrate it. Like take cards/notifications from WebOS and make it standard on Android.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It may not die. I’m more cautious of this than I was of Nokia open sourcing Symbia but if HP is going to throw the accompanying IP behind this as protection is it really too difficult to imagine webOS gaining traction over Android? Android is free from Google but they’ve left the implementers open to law suits from people like Microsoft and Apple which ends up meaning the OS is not free.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:46 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I just wonder if Android will be integrating some webOS features. Matias must be thrilled to be able to get his work back….
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:50 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
Dude. That point right there just made me so excited for jelleybean. :-)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:29 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
There’s a lot of WebOS and (some people will hate this) WinPhone feel in ICS already.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:46 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
OH NO YOU DIDN"T, just joking I know.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just like there is a lot of OSX in iOS – a single pedantic designer has his own touch through his career. Case in point – Dieter Rams.
Yep I agree, my Galaxy Nexus is just as fast in UI interaction as my colleague’s Focus S.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:07 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Yeah I have an ICS ROM loaded on my Nexus S and it’s a huge step in the right direction.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:15 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I am used to using all stock Android devices and I bought a Vibrant recently to play around with. I hated TouchWiz but man 4.0 on that baby made a HUGE difference. Now it doesn’t matter because I got my Galaxy Nexus about 2 weeks ago but it was good to play around with it. That experience yet again showed me the power of stock Android.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:20 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah, I bought the Nexus S recently to mess around with as well. Stock ICS is a big step forward from any previous version (and that goes for all of the skins, too, though there are a few ideas from skins that could/should be pulled into stock.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:22 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Resizeable widgets is from Motoblur. The app draw scrolling from left to right is from TouchWiz.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:03 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Honestly though, Resizable widgets has been in pretty much every Custom ROM and Launcher since the middle ages
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Go for it Matias. The community is right behind you!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:37 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Scarier words were never posted! :)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If you’ve used ICS, you’ll know that he already did :) Just slightly differently.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What makes you think that webOS will not violate certain patents which will lead to royalties there as well?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:55 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
are you serious?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
As is known in the software industry, all software violates someone’s patents. You cannot possibly discover all violations, nor conclude that your software does not violate someone else’s patent.
Patents in software are hazardous, unhelpful, and a drain on the industry.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It is definitely impossible to be sure that a piece of software doesn’t infringe, so it’s best to assume that it probably does. The point is that if you’re an OEM using WP7, and WP7 turns out to infringe, then that is MSoft’s problem. If you’re using WebOS, or Android, it is your problem.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
it’s best to assume that it probably does
And do what, exactly? Go around and buy licenses from every possible software patent holder?
If you’re using WebOS, or Android, it is your problem.
Software patents are problem for everyone in the industry, as they stall innovation and serve more to enforce anti-competitive goals than spur adoption of good ideas.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Your option as an OEM is to go with WP7 and be covered or go with Android or WebOS and hope that whatever license fees you end up being made to pay come to less than the WP7 license would have been. The point is there’s no advantage of WebOS over Android here. It has exactly the same risks.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You really have to look up the open source initiative, in order to be classified as open source, it can’t prevent other people from distrubiting, modifing and can’t restrict other software. http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:00 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
No…..I really really want a webOS rom on my droid incredible. This is awesome. This………………..is a new hope.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
haha it’s not as simple as that
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:34 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
But hopefully possible.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I do agree
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, open source/Free Software need to die and go away.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Love your perspective usually Vlad, but this makes little sense. HP are open-sourcing the OS. They’re maximizes the potential for webOS to continue. Your statement implies you’d rather they shuttered webOS entirely and let all those good ideas die in the process. Synergy? Stacked notifications? Stacks? Cards? Now everyone can run with these ideas. But you’d rather they killed it outright so you can have some concrete finality? even if it’s a terrible end?
Regardless of what HP or anyone does, the onus for achieving “closure” is on you. Us.
This is a fantastic decision on their part. If webOS fades into obscurity and even one good idea carries forward unimpeded, that’s a better outcome than it being buried altogether.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:50 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
I’m not abandoning my infant child on the side of a mountain, oh no – I’m opening up his care to the community!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Cloudgazer’s right. Forget the fact that HP’s stock rose nearly 50 cents per share over the course of today. That’ll only last until this horse, that’s been put out to pasture, lays down and dies. I do respect the fact that HP decided to maintain limited involvement in WebOS, “just in case” something brilliant happens.
The point could be made that all the open sourcing in the world wouldn’t mean much if there’s nobody supporting the other 2 parts of the equation, i.e. software and carriers. They need convinced, too.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 12:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Potential pretty big here too, death is not a certainty.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Agreed. This is definitely an interesting development.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:48 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
In fact, it’s a turn I did not expect. I think we might see a Touchpad 2 in 2013. With keyboard, a la Transformer Prime. Although, once there’s a good Windows tablet like that, everyone’s out of the game.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:18 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I hoped it would come to this. I wouldnt have put money on it because the HP board seems determined to drive the company into the ground, but Meg Whitman had said some things that might have been interpreted as hints. So I was very hopeful.
I’m a very happy iPad user. I’m very interested in what HP and the Open WebOS community can come up with, both as a product I might buy and as a spur to further iOS/iPad development by Apple. Seriously, about the only thing Android has inspired on iOS is notifications.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:31 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Not dead, but sleeping…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This one’s from Dead Not Sleeping, practices horrible laugh
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It is “Dead” by all means, HP won’t be producing any hardwares for webOS anymore. Oh, may be the HTC HD2 will run it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:18 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Oh hell yeah!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Really?? I Tried to use my 32gb Touchpad the other day after dusting it off and I couldn’t even pull up web pages. Finally I had to put the damn thing down and go to my First Generation iPad to get what I wanted done. Pretty sad, I really wanted to like this but have a hard time doing just basic tasks on it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:47 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Oh it’s probably that old pebac issue. Did you charge it first?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:55 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Wanna sell it to me for $120?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:58 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
121
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ll give you 12600… cents.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
12700 cents.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
$1.20 cents
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ll give you a 16GB Touchpad.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
FOR FREE?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Mine pulls up web pages just fine, you must be doing it wrong.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:00 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I believe it’s “you’re holding it wrong”
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:17 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Turns out he was holding it wrong and using a stylus besides; he blew it!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree completely…Open Source is really their only option and FANTASTIC news!
I used my TP today as I always do and LOVE webOS for many reasons if not for simplicity alone. I’ve also used Android and CM7 in dual-boot mode, but 80% of the time use webOS by default and have yet to find anything inspiring a permanent move to something else.
I just hope HP’s notion of Open Source is truly open and brings webOS to Android, IOS, and Windows Mobile sooner then later. Way to go HP and Big Thumbs Up! Sorli…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My thoughts exactly! Not that I will buy a WebOS device, but when the x86 port comes out you’ll bet I’ll install it on my 10 year old pc just for kicks!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
long live webOS!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
Awesome! Get on this, Waterloo!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
But will it be more free than Android?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Some HW companies have to pay fees to Microsoft and other companies to use Android. Kinda weird.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That isn’t the freeness that Android doesn’t have.
It’s a bit of a concern though…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I thought that (Microsoft getting paid for Android handsets) had to do with Patent issues…could be wrong though.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:44 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
My point exactly. If HP puts the accompanying IP behind this it should provide enough cover for people who want to implement this over Android and get something that really is free.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:47 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I doubt it, they need to recoup their losses. I suspect that it will be in the form of selling the patents – thus leaving webOS out in the open.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve yet to see any evidence that there are many patents to sell.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Interestingly enough, webOS will be prone to the same issues. Same OS base and a lot of overlapping functionality.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And by same OS base you mean Linux. Everything away from Microsoft operates on Linux or Unix
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 6:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, that’s what you get when you have a broken patent system that’s open to abuse by anticompetitive companies.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It will certainly be freer than Android 3.x, which, as far as I know, is still closed. If its not, would someone point me to the source?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://source.android.com/
3.x code released along with the 4.0 code.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:42 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Ah, thank you. Good to see Google come into compliance. They just went a few ticks towards less evil on the evilmometer.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They were already in compliance, they released the 3.0 GPL code long ago. This was just the Apache code.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:27 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You were wrong about the Honeycomb source and you were wrong about Google being in compliance. Is there anything else you need corrected on?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Is it true or not that Google has joined Apple and Microsoft in lobbying Congress to pass a massive business tax holiday on overseas income by arguing it will create jobs, even though it did no such thing when it was passed in 2004?
Is it also true that Google stopped vehemently supporting wireless net neutrality once they struck a deal with Verizon to market their Android OS as a competitor to iPhone?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’ll be just as free as Android but it doesn’t have anywhere near the amount of apps of Android, so that is a moot point for any smartphone manufacturer
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:05 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Where is my WebOS Printer?!?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Better news than I had hoped for actually.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:36 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Nice.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
someone make me a new webos phone with a 4 inch screen that would replace my iPhone
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:37 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Something tells me you haven’t used it. I had a Touchpad and iPad and boy, I couldn’t get rid of that Touchpad fast enough.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Awesome! It’s great to see that something will come of it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Gonna be interesting to see what happens.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice. I can’t wait to see where this goes.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
hope HTC can get something going with this!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
With this and cookies they’d have cookies :) I can see it now, Sense 4.0 for WebOS… eek!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:52 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Port it to android devices and let me dual boot!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Isn’t this inevitable?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:48 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
D’oh I just remebered something. The HD2 will inevitably have this ported lol.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:48 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Let’s see how this turns out. Right now, Android has taken some ques from WebOS and BBOS is already taking the entire concept of WebOS. I feel as if there’s no room for WebOS anymore. It’s a little too late. HP should have been all in from the start — now It’s going to cost them.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It certainly gives Android OEMs another option to differentiate their product if they can’t make money off of Android.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If they can’t make money off Android the only option is to get on the WP7 train. People just don’t want to buy an expensive device that can do so little…
At least, Microsoft can provide kickbacks.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:54 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You’ve clearly never tried a webos device. I’m on a WP7. webOS is still better. Except for battery life.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Plain better is a subjective thing. Functionally better, it is definitely not.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
At least, Microsoft can provide kickbacks.
They can? When does the next anti-trust trial start?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They do it legally, by paying for marketing campaigns in part, offering rebates for volume, that sort of thing. They might also grant better licensing terms for Android for those manufacturers that agree to use and promote WP7.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:55 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
After Barnes and Noble gets done with them.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hell yeah!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So everything and all the time before this was just a waste?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Seems that way. They should have just open sourced it straight up. Wasted time. Let’s hope it can still take off, though.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:42 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
This. 1000 times this. I firmly believe Android was first and foremost the success of a business model. I wonder what it would’ve been like if Palm had opened up webOS from the start. They had all the pieces so nicely in place, even web-based distribution feeds in addition to their curated app catalog.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Shit Yeah! Open Source Printers!!!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Stallman must have a 4" boner right about now. “Now, if only we can convince people to call it GNU/WebOS!”
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nope, because there is no way on earth that HP will GPL it, and Stallman tends to consider all other open source licenses as incompletely open.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, I know. But do you know/remember Stallman’s original motivation for creating the whole GPL thing? He was frustrated about a printer. So, the joke still stands, I think.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
All you’d need to add a GNU in there is to include an actual GNU userspace (instead of the crippled joke that is Busybox.) Tizen includes such a GNU userspace, so there’s no reason you couldn’t have “webOS/GNU/Linux” even if webOS isn’t GNU itself.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If it’s not GPL v3.0 then you’re safe from his advances.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He might accept LGPL in a pinch.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:47 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Part of me was hoping there would be some shocking conclusion to this saga, but open source sounds nice. It’s too early to tell how well this will work out in the long run, but it will be interesting to see how HP handles this going forward.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There’s a huge potential for HP to screw this up, but . . . They already had screwed up, so this is at worst a temporary reprieve. There’s also potential for this to be a really great thing. The mobile space is changing so fast, I think there still is room for more than two platforms. (Although I doubt there’s room for five. Sorry, RIM.)
A very smart move by Meg Whitman. I’m increasingly confident that she can turn HP’s fortunes around. She really needs to do a boardroom shuffle next.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:42 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
webOS 3.0 needs to be adapted for handsets, unifying the notification area seen on the touchpad for phones.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s a bad idea. It doesn’t flow well if you moved the notification area for phones.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree. You should undertake the project and make it happen.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Now were talkin
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Barf. Can’t wait to see this great OS desecrated by being thrown on horrible $100 Chinese tablets.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:41 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
As opposed to the wonderful hardware of the Touchpad?
This could turn out great for WebOS – sure, there may be some awful products but it’s worth the chance for something great?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Have you used a TouchPad? The hardware isn’t horrible by any means. Same or better screen than the iPad and the construction is OK aside from a flimsy back and speaker cut outs that slice your fingers when you hold it in landscape. Battery life is good and it’s not sluggish processor wise.
I think hardware wise it’s a 7 or 8/10
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Snapdragon Dual Core CPU and Adreno 220 GPU are actually quite good. Unfortunately, the thing weighs a ton.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, I have a 16GB. It’s nice to use, and I love the OS, but it’s just too bulky. <aybe that’s why the battery life is amazing but it could just do with being lighter and thinner (IMHO etc)
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 9:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would assume that this decisions makes those $99 refurbished Hp Touchpads much more attractive? :]
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:41 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Indeed. It means that third-party support and development can continue unabated!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Awesome! I look forward to seeing WebOS ported to everything under the flipping sun.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:41 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I don’t know about open-sourcing it but Long live CEO Whitman. Especially for keeping the PC dept
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:42 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’m sooo glad she kept the PC line. The Envy line is by far the best PC competition to the Macbook Pro in the 17" screen department.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just so long as she doesn’t try to get back into politics, yes, long live Whitman!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OMG! Win!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:42 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Finally, my Frankenstein webos android hybrid can be realized, mwahahaha
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:43 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
ICS?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:03 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
He said Frankenstein, not Tron!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:12 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Who is going to start the Kickstarter project for Web OS printers?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:43 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
HP?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:56 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Probably the best billion HP spent in the last decade. They got exactly zero out of it and that’s their fault.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:43 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
So this allows other products to have this software correct?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In theory, yes. If the common developer has access to every ounce of source code, they would be able to port webOS to other devices. This is similar to how Android has been ported to WP6 and iOS devices in the past.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is… interesting. Would like to see Cards-like multitasking implemented in Android somehow. Hopefully in a manner that is well thought out. Don’t want it to replace my home screen, though.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:44 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
ICS sorta does it. Not the same metaphor exactly though.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:52 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
No, it doesn’t even “sorta”.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:29 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Those are screenshots, ala WP7, iOS, Android. WebOS’s multitasking is an actual live view of the ACTUAL app. Not a picture of the app.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That doesn’t qualify as sorta?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
scrolling a screenshot up and down does not qualify as sorta. That’s like saying alt+tab in Win95 is “sorta” like WebOS multitask swiping.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Alt+Tab is only an icon.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Ok, to all of the rest of us it qualifies as sorta/close enough. Your comparison is fairly strawman based. Android 4.0 multitasking is screenshots that you swipe away, WebOS is live previews that you swipe away. Win95 involves no swiping at all, is not a mobile OS,,, etc etc etc…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It is only “sorta” because you touch the screen?
No. It doesn’t qualify. next.
Anyway, nothing but the Playbook has come close to WebOS multitasking.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, it’s sorta because it does the exact same thing with the same input and gesture methods and the only difference is live tiles vs snapshot. It qualifies as sort of to most people. Next.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
it still doesn’t have the functionality of cards. stacking them together re-organizing them. It’s nicer then what android had before but it does not function the same way webos does. Webos ui was built around multitasking. Multitasking in android was built as something that was just always happening. It was never meant to be managed for the reason it didn’t really have to be.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Also, iOS uses icons.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice. Can’t wait. But I’d really like to see a truer implementation. Although, I would call this “sorta” Lol
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 8:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I must’ve imagined swiping those cards to the right on my Android 4.0 phone this morning then…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:53 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Potential for webOS on the Galaxy S II? Hell, even more potential for some webOS features to find their way into some Android ROMs sometime…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:45 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
You can bet on it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:55 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
"Being open sourced" is just a euphemism for dead.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:46 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Yeah, linux… NodeJS… Twitter Bootstrap… Ruby… Android… jquery… backbone… coffeescript.. php…. apache…
Yep, all euphemisms for dead.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:12 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
None of those projects began as closed source projects, only to be converted after the fact, due to massive losses both financially, and in talent.
This is simply HP abdicating responsibility for the platform.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
This is simply HP abdicating responsibility for the platform.
Probably for the best, as their leadership otherwise hasn’t shown themselves to be terribly competent.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:31 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I can think of Firefox as an example.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is AWESOME news! Can’t wait to see what third party devs do with this!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
First thing I do, update Node.JS and add jquery mobile as the default framework,.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Open-sourcing webOS is like trying to sell your dog because you can’t afford it, nobody will buy it, so you just release it to the wild.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
where it will breed with wolves……..
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:16 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Or get eaten by them…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s like doing that after the dog got run over, and you can’t afford the vet fees.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Come on xda…..give me this on my android phone!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:49 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
YES!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:51 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Aww man I was so looking forward to the HP Touch Photosmart 56339JX88-T with webOS 4…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:50 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
HTC: “Glad we didn’t buy it, we can use it for free now!”
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:51 PM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
If someone got android applications working natively on web OS then it would be a real changer. Unfortunately, taking web OS as a project with no main application developer support would just be out of the question. This is just a slap in the face to the people that supported the project.
Although, I hope Cyanogen picks this up as Cyanogen 10.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What. Why would Cyanogen work through 9 versions of Android and switch to WebOS? What would possibly make you say something like that?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They did, its called Ice Cream Sandwich.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
so now what do i do with my Palm Pre? -s
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The original one? Throw in the trash…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:53 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Considering the winding road Palm/WebOS has taken for the lase couple years…this actually may be something that can work out well for it…as long as they can get a good group of talented coders/hackers/tinkerers working on it…otherwise is just putting a brain dead patient on long term life support while the family fights it out…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HOLY SHINDIG.
this is ridiculously awesome
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Is this really good news? We will wait and hope for OEMs to select the platform. This could lead to some the of the early fragmentation of Android. There will be cheap, crappy devices sold in K-mart for $90 with a watered down version of the OS. As with Android, will there be certified devices where some receive access to the webOS App Catalog and others will not?
The webOS homebrew is one of the most active and accomplished. Nonetheless, why will developers invest the time and man power to produce new apps for the platform? As much as I love using webOS everyday, this verdict is not definitive. I would have preferred HP to make a simple decision to keep webOS and advance the platform itself, or sell it. A simple yes or no, not in between.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Meg Whitman really wanted to please you so she said “Yes, we’ll advance it” and “No, we won’t keep it”
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My question exactly. Other than a labor of love or notoriety, what incentive will there be for developers to continue developing for WebOS? I don’t see any OEMs producing any hardware for it unless there was some major upheaval that gave them incentive to have to choose another platform besides Android or Windows Phone. While I look forward to any “homebrewed” updates to my TouchPad, I don’t look forward to having to wade the through murky waters of the DIY installs.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Don’t discount the whole labor of love thing. One of the things that has kept iOS competitive with Android is that developers love developing for it. It’s not just about the numbers of devices.
As for major upheaval, well, what happens if/when Oracle prevails against Google in court? What happens if things go Apple’s way in the patent wars? Notwithstanding whether or not Android is better than other mobile OSes, it’s clear that Google was sloppy and arrogant about securing the IP for Android.
So, don’t be so sure that there won’t be any OEM interest in another modern mobile OS. They want a back up plan. Right now, WP7 might be that back up plan, but it’s nice to have choices.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:06 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Hey Google, now is your time to give the carriers the middle finger and have them resorting to put their poorly customized web OS all over their phones. Go out and buy T-Mobile and make it an android only carrier.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:57 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
G-MOBILE
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 1:59 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
I’d recommend this 1000000 times if I could. Hope OEMs stop using Android and resort to webOS, and then only Google/Motogoog will make Android handsets. No Blur, no customization. Google branded handsets, manufactured by Moto, and Nexus phones, once a year.
Then Motogoog buy T-Mobile when the AT&T deal inevitably falls through, and make it an Android only carrier, with Google Voice heavily integrated.
That would be FANTASTIC!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Most consumers wouldn’t go for G-Mobile just because they have the only Android phone, they’d just get they webOS phone. Anyway, Google can’t close source Android and force OEMs to stop using it or they would be violating the Linux Foundation rules for using the Linux Kernel.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wonder if an Android/webOS mashup is far off.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It should be possible to run apps for both, but the common UI is a challenge.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Actually, I Wasn’t referring to the apps, but the OS itself. Taking the best features from Android and mixing them with the best features from webOS. Or, at the very least, implementing Cards into Android. I would gladly give up my desktop widgets and icons in favor of Cards.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Cards are in Android 4.0!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not quite. There is something similar, but it is hardly as good as Cards. I briefly had a TouchPad and having run some ICS ROMs and it just doesn’t even compare to what Cards was and how well it worked.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s fair, but its close enough for most people.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
To those that have not used Cards, sure. But I would truly love to see Cards make its way into cyanogenMod or something soon.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Most people won’t even know that the process for the screenshot they swiped away is still running. Lame implementation.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Open sourcing isn’t a new lease of life for an OS with no traction, it’s just extended the death
At least they’ll be support for my firesale Touchpad until CM9 is noob ready
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
All I know………is I’m getting a $99 TouchPad Sunday.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What about developers and the app store?
DOA as the Touchpad may have been, there is a massive install base… at least for the moment
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It doesn’t really have a massive install base. Consider it this way, one thing that the TouchPad can do is browse the web, yet apparently nobody is using it to do so.
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=1&qpaf=-000%09100%090%0D
It’s especially glaring when you consider that most of the gap between iOS and Android is explained by people browsing on the iPad.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What developers are willing to invest a bunch of time and money to go after an install base composed almost entirely of impulse-buying fire-sale bargain hunters who have, by any available metric, used them hardly at all?
How many of those $99 TouchPad owners are ever going to buy a paid WebOS app? My guess would be, vanishingly few.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:49 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Maybe not really massive, but . . . Firesale Touchpads were the only thing that put a real, if slight, ding in iPad sales.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I imagine that anybody who knew about the HP fire sale fast enough to pick up a touchpad had either already bought an iPad or was unable to ever bring themselves to for essentially religious reasons.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This makes me so happy! Thanks, HP!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
so if hp killed webOS then open sourcing it makes it a zombie right?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So assuming that HP will release at least some new WebOS phones to run that OS on and assuming that HP will continue to run its App Catalogue, here are a few scenarios that I can think of how this could turn out:
1. It could go the same way as Symbian and MeeGo. Open Source actually doesn’t really matter much if there is no hardware support.
2. It could be modified for vertical strategies like Amazon’s Kindle Fire or B&N’s Nook Tablet. Technically it’d be at least as good a fit, but software support would be weaker. That’s true for those weird Android 2.x based 7" tablets too, though. Most WebOS apps are based on HTML/CSS/JS though, so optimizing apps for different screen sizes is very easy.
3. This could empower WebOS the way it did with Android. Okay, not really, since Android is actively developed on by Google and it’s got a huge head-start of about 3 years. But still, it could at least gain some market share – and let’s face it, WebOS is much better and much more innovative than, say, Samsung’s Bada OS. That’s still out there, right? I think?
4. What license will this get? I could imagine the competitors jumping at the source code like vultures to copy the more interesting stuff.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
ZEROtraction, webOS is on millions of devices.Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And what exactly are those millions of devices that are running WebOS? The first generation of WebOS devices sold so poorly that Palm had to put itself on sale, and they don’t even support WebOS2 anymore anyway. The Palm 2 was only sold in the US and only for a short period of time. Pre 3? Vapor ware. The only WebOS device that sold half-decently was the TouchPad, and data from NPD suggests the sales were still only about 200.000 in the US (Link).
Even if all WebOS2 compatible devices accumulate to 1 million devices – that’s still nothing. Especially considering this is over a time frame of rougly 2 years! So MeeGo may have had zero traction, but WebOS had close to zero traction as well.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yep, bada’s out there. I believe it has some form of traction in the developing world, because the phones are cheap.
But I hope webOS replaces that, it’s much better. bada is Android and TouchWiz mashed together.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s not a good assumption at all, because it’s almost certainly not going to happen. HP lost gazillions on their WebOS hardware and just shut down the entire unit. Why would they open-source the software and then try to sell a new generation of sure-to-lose-gazillions hardware?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
As a fan of BeOS, I’ve lived through uncertainty like this before only to see my hopes and dreams crushed.
So fans of WebOS should be rejoicing right now. The innovative little OS will live on in some form and should only get better from here.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Somebody needs to port this to Android phones so it can be dual booted with Android. I would totally use webOS as my everyday OS and only boot Android when I need to use a specific app. For just day to day use, the design of webOS is still superior to any mobile OS out there.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
RESURRECTION!!! Woohoo!!! Someone should tell Noah from TechnoBuffalo about this!!! :-)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So, now HTC will make new webOS devices (they really should). If HTC can produce BrewMP devices why not webOS? webOS is far better than BrewMP (HTC Smart/Freestyle); & HTC can customize the heck out of it (thus rendering the device unusable).
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
webOS has become matter of discussion about the actual state of open sourced platforms, but lets face this is better than the oblivion.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:15 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Open sourcing it is killer if an active community develops around it. From a pure user-experience perspective, webOS was arguably the strongest potential competitor to Apple that the market had. But if nobody big ends up using it (and they should to avoid Android licensing fees to Microsoft) then it dies off. Will be interesting to see, hoping it takes off to give people more choices.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re assuming that they won’t have to pay similar fees to MS for WebOS. HP hasn’t promised to be providing any license cover here.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:20 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well, if we didn’t have a defective patent system, they wouldn’t have to pay Microsoft money they don’t deserve.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I hear a record skipping :)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Which isn’t to say MS’ patents in this case should be valid.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not if you’ve seen their ridiculous patents.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If wishes were horses we’d all be eating steak. Unfortunately we do have a defective patent system.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Gutting, frankly. Spent too much to just kill it, took too long to have any faith left in it, but vain enough to open source it so that they don’t look too bad.
Genuinely, I liked the lineup they prepared and a Pre 3 was all set to make at least the shortlist. Just to make things worse, we lose Palm completely, somehow the mobile space is duller without them.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:20 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
vain enough to open source it so that they don’t look too bad.
Why is this a bad thing? Would it be better for the code to rot forever behind closed doors?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t think open sourcing webOS is an act of vanity. To me it is just one more indecisive move that shows HP is lacking in leadership. This way they can still use it, if they can decide to, and they can reduce development costs to boot.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Stop trying to justify your OS purchase (by trash talking) and look at how amazing this opportunity is.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just because you bought an iPhone or an Android doesn’t make WebOS bad.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yipee Ki Yee!!!!!!
And the hope is…port it too N900.
!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If they open sourced “Synergy” that is pretty useful. webOS was great at centralizing an address book.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think we just found our 3rd player in the mobile race.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hopefully. Needs some traction on high power, big screened phones though. Think the HD2 or HTC Sensation.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Biggest question is: When comes the HTC HD2 Port?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:29 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
What about the fonts and other proprietary bits?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
im excited about this news actually.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Open source is overrated. Android would be nothing without Google’s huge investment. Do you think the open source community or those overrated hackers at XDA could have developed Ice Cream Sandwich.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Open source is great for some things. iOS and Android both leverage open source in numerous ways. But open source tends to be good at producing a piece of software that does a narrow task very well. It doesn’t tend to be good when there are significant open ended questions to be resolved about what the software should even do.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s a good point. It’s rare for an open source project to progress significantly without the backing of developers from large corporations. Linux has a great deal of contributors from very large corporations that all get paid to code for Linux.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, things that catch on tend to do well. Support from organizations that can afford to do so tends to make things do better. This is not a surprise.
Ebony & Ivory’s point is basically “herp derp open source.”
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ll never forgive HP for killing my favorite mobile OS. And even if this isn’t a death certificate, webOS will never be as we know it today. And that’s a shame.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Smart move HP !
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If any manufacturer comercially sold WeboS phones now they would be a complete idiot, after all the ecosystem is practically dead, while it certainly will be fun to port it to some android phones, practically this is HP washing their hands of this dying POS. While the UI is good, it has barely changed in 3 versions. All the decent devs left ages ago, even the guy who designed the key selling point of webOS, the UI, left for Android.
While it was interesting 2 months ago, we should just let webOS die in peace. NO manufacturer would want to spend $500million+ to reguvinate the platform and the devs so they can change from android. If android is so much of a problem, its quite clear now that MS is the only real alternative.
Get with it guys there’s going to be no resurgance of WebOS, just a long drawn out death, much like Symbian!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’ll be huge in China :)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:08 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Symbian was old and crusty. It really didn’t have a future. WebOS is a modern mobile OS designed for touch screens. You can’t really compare the two.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m hoping this means i can now dual-boot my Nexus S with ICS & webOS! I can get the best of both worlds.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I just can’t see this being a very big deal. Maybe 3 year ago before Android was as huge and WebOS had at least one phone manufacturer (Palm). Nowadays, I don’t see why a big company like Samsung, HTC, LG, etc would invest in yet another open source OS when they could continue in the huge world of Android.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Because there are uncertainties surrounding Android, and the OEMs and carriers both are ceding a lot of power to Google as their sole supplier of android (with notable exceptions, such as Amazon). Having more than one modern mobile OS is a good thing for the OEMs.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The only reason this pleases me is the anticipation I have for a port to my HD2.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Curve ball. I was so sure they were going to kill it. This is the only thing HP has done that was remotely smart.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I have only one question. Are they going to rename it to Web2.0OS now?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s funny how this post and the commenters make open sourcing synonymous to death. LOL
Ahh open source, how times haven’t changed…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey now, if people can’t speak from a wholly uninformed and ignorant perspective then what would people talk about?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s great news.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would love to see an x86 version of WebOS that HP originally promised up. Imagine being able to run WebOS on your laptop/desktop.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There’s one huge difference between Symbian and WebOS-outsourcing. Symbian was so outdated and unappealing when it was “released” to the open that no one really had a drive for that.
WebOS on the other hand has still some wind on its sail s. If I were on the market for low-end smart phone I’d choose WebOS over low end Android device on any given day!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HP “we will stop making laptops no well make laptops” “We killing web os no it will still live on” “I’m and man no I’m a woman” Make up your mind Meg. Prediction Meg will drive HP into the ground by the end of 2012.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
to everyone dreaming of putting webOS on their current phones, unless you plan on having the same phone into 2013 don’t count on it. She said she isn’t expecting it get it out there with anything new until then. I assume that’s also when the changes to make it totally open-sourced will be done.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Omgomgomg webOS on my galaxy s 2 skyboner, yes please! GOGO DEVS!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:30 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
WHERE IS DIETER!!!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, I just wrote a paper on HP for one of my MAcc classes. As a strategy going forward, I wrote that they should open source webOS. AT the time I wrote the paper, it looked like HP was done with webOS (they had killed the TouchPad, phones, and announced a 3.3 billion dollar write off related to it).
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, it’s at least some sort of future. Here’s hopin’ there’s some sort of project somewhere that dovetails in well with WebOS’ strengths…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A M A Z O N KINDLE FIRE 2 with WebOS Baby…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Android runs on Linux. webOS runs on Linux. What are the odds that we’ll see ROM’s that can be installed from say, ClockworkMod?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why are HP open sourcing WebOS? What’s in it for them, for OEMs, how does this disrupt the marketplace?
I put together some thoughts based on recent observations of the mobile industry: WebOS Open Source.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
WebOS is dead. I wish I had the money to buy it….oh and coding skills to do something with her. Yes, WebOS is female; I don’t make the rules.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Great news! Ultimately we got some sensible company with sensible policy, than the rotten thing Apple was doling out in courts. though i was not surprised with Apple as it has been their policy throughout.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i have a suggestion to tablet manufacturing companies. Please provide a nice cheap stand for tablets and computer tables should have space for storing keyboard nicely and unobstrusively. then they should compete for lap top market. rest will be history.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
remember people still have old habit of siting at table or tea poy with the lap top.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i hope the t-mobile HD2 gets a webOS port. I don’t have one but that thing refuses to die.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 10:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hmm, wonder if they could squeeze it on to the N9? That be fun.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 11:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Pessimistic ally, open sourcing a billion dollar investment is like a politician retiring “to spend more time with my family” or a hail Mary pass.
Optimistically, the “iPad alternatives” market is still open to an OS that is available to multiple device makers, with one well-funded company driving development and a structure to limit fragmentation, especially if the price is right (including patent licensing costs) and viable on phones too. Microsoft is unwittingly helping by adding to the cost of Android through patent licensing fees and by the “fragmentation” of touch-only devices based on screen size (WP7 vs Windows 8 Metro).
Anyway, it is good to see another challenge to the risk of Apple/Google duopoly.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 9:48 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I want to see WebOS running on some quality hardware. Galaxy Nexus, iPhone, N9. Something like that.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 3:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I can see companies like ZTE and Huawei using WebOS on low cost smartphones – can’t see why Samsung or HTC would be interested in using WebOS.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 1:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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