We've just had a chance to sit down with HP's CEO Meg Whitman and board member Marc Andreessen to discuss the future of webOS given today's announcement. Both Meg and Marc were eager to talk about webOS not as a dead end, but an active platform which the company would continue to put resources and cash against. Most surprising of all? The company plans to create new webOS hardware... including tablets. We've transcribed the full conversation — so read on below.
Will HP be creating any new webOS hardware?
Meg: The answer to that is yes but what I can't tell you is whether that will be in 2012 or not. But we will use webOS in new hardware, but it's just going to take us a little longer to reorganize the team in a quite different direction than we've been taking it in the past.
Are we talking printers? Or tablets and phones?
Meg: In the near term what I would imagine — and this could change, in full disclosure — is I would think tablets, I do not believe we will be in the smartphone business again.
But tablets are a real possibility?
Meg: Yes.
So how will this new webOS team be structured? Will Marc run a webOS Foundation like Mozilla? Will there be a division? Will it be part time for HP engineers?
Meg: So we will keep the core group of employees together - those who want to sign up for this new vision. Admittedly, this is a different vision than webOS had for themselves. That was more akin to a closed-loop system, more like Apple in many ways, and now we're going to an open system. So we will keep the core group together, there will be leadership as there has been, and HP will continue to invest in this. The exact organizational structure we do not know yet — we've looked at Mozilla, Hadoop, Red Hat, and we want to think through that. Many of those models have been successful, we may come up with an alternative model on how we want to organize this. But there will be a dedicated team of resources to this, with the first backer being HP.
But that will be a webOS-dedicated team, a webOS team.
Meg: Correct.
Are there going to be pieces of webOS or IP that you hold onto, that will be HP-only?
Marc: In general, the intent is to open source webOS — so the idea is to open source webOS in its entirety...
Meg: Including Enyo.
Marc: Including Enyo. By the way, there are some current components of webOS — in its current form — that are not open sourceable, so there's some work that has to happen to swap those out and swap in some open source alternatives. So there's some work involved to get webOS into open source, but that's the first order of business.
But the goal is not to keep some pieces of webOS for yourselves. You want the whole thing open source?
Meg: Yes, absolutely.
So what happened with selling? There was a lot of speculation that you would sell it off. Were there no attractive offers, or was this just a different direction you wanted to take — to invest in it, to not sell?
Meg: We looked at a whole bunch of opportunities, the team here — right after the mid-August announcement — said 'what were the alternatives?' Wind down? Sell the portfolio? Run it like we did before, but better? And as we looked at all the alternatives, this seemed to be the one that made the most sense for the industry, for the community, for the developer community. As you go through these structures, you look at the pros and cons of the alternatives, and this was one that was affordable for HP to invest in in the long haul, but also had a great opportunity to fill a market need. And listen, it's a great asset, and who wants it to go away?
Are there going to be more layoffs in the webOS division? Or will that stop here?
Meg: You know, I don't really know the answer to that. We want to keep this team together. We have to build a business plan, we've got to build a 3 or 4 year product roadmap. And exactly who we need on the team and what positions remains to be seen. But what I told employees this morning is that we want them to be part of this. But we this also has the characteristics of a startup — a big startup. It has 600 people, 750,000 devices out there in the marketplace, it has a big company behind it. But it's a startup. What we have to do is figure out exactly where we're going to invest and how many people we need to do that.
So what is the metric for success or failure with webOS at this point? How do you know 'hey we're winning, it's working,' or if you need to reevaluate?
Meg: Well first I want to set expectations about time frame. This is going to take some time. If you look back at the history of Mozilla or Red Hat — these things did not become giant platforms over night. This in my view is a 4 or 5 year timeframe, and I want to make sure we really communicate that. And then I think the measures of success — and I'm not going to give you numbers here — but the measures of success are going to be: how many developers are writing for this platform? Have there been other hardware manufacturers who have signed on and built devices, whether they be tablets or devices of the future or smartphones? And ultimately, the ability of developers to make money.
But you think this is 4 or 5 years before you can evaluate if it's doing what you want it to do?
Meg: There will be milestones along the way, but one thing I know about technology is that if you believe in something, you have to have a longer term horizon than next week, next quarter, or next year. When we looked at alternatives, we said 'what will be affordable to HP to invest, and get this thing going,' and we'll monitor along the way. There's a bit of a test and iterate here — it's not just something you say 'if it's not perfect in a year, we're out of here.'

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Well, okay then.
I ain’t complainin’ as long as we get good hardware. WebOS deserves it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:57 PM EST reply Recommend (30) Flag actions
Just look at that photo above. Certainly some of the slickest (design) hardware (mobile and tablet) around. Imagine Touchpad 2. :)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:07 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Sadly the hardware is a little on the cheap side, does look good though.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:19 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
I hope someone makes some Nook Color/Blackberry Playbook type hardware for it. It shouldn’t take too long for the Chinese OEMs to take advantage of this.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:29 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
Lol, not it’s not.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That home button feels awful. That tab that pops out showing the serial number? Ugh, just put a SD card slot there or something….
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I have to disagree. I own a touchpad and it is plasticky, heavy, thick and doesn’t feel solid at all. The Screen is nice but very dim. This is among the worst tablets out there …
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:36 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Worst is a strong word, I have had a touchpad, an android by viewsonic (pre honeycomb) and an iPad, and while the touchpad is not quite up to the ipads build quality, (the volume rocker was kinda out of the box wonky, but the touch and screen are both very good. The viewsonic, well its not as good. its still just as plasticy, and the screen is just awful for viewing angle, and the touch is not fantastic either.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:50 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
“amont the worst tablets out there”
I own an iPad, a Touchpad, and a Galaxy tab 8.9.
Long story short, Touch pad is EASILY 2nd place.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:08 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
And people complaining about how heavy it is really need to go the gym.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:09 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Haha… I love you for that comment. If we’ve come to the point that 740 grams feels heavy to us then technology really is bad for us!
Much Love!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:51 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Exactly. These reviews always complain devices like tablets/laptops are heavy/bulky. Then I read the specs and it’s like 1.1 pounds…nothing that weighs a pound is heavy. Nothing.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 12:46 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I have those 3 and the Touchpad is definitely the worst.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:07 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Odd. I had an iPad 2 and sold the thing after getting the touchpad. With flash it takes away the need for so many apps and the OS works allot better in many ways. I think you’re just pissing and moaning because you can.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 12:59 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
No.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:10 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The Touchpad Go could’ve been a hit.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:23 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
There’s a little WebOs in all of us, no matter what smartphone we’re using. ;-)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:36 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
I hope a good Pre alternative is possible with the open sourcing, HP branded or not. My next phone was gonna be a Pre3 before all of this talk of discontinuation happened. I’m now hooked on a Galaxy Nexus but I could try a webOS phone for a bit and see how I like it.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 11:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Very true. If they could slim/lighten the hardware for a Touchpad 2 I think they would have something worth developing apps for. I’ve got my TP updated and OCed to 1.7Ghz and it runs nice and snappy with the battery lasting a week on light usage.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 8:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why buy into an ecosystem for a tablet when you can’t have the same ecosystem for your phone
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:58 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I’m sure there are plenty of people with Android phones and iPads.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:00 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
True but how many people have an iPhone and an Android tablet?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I don’t think that’s a flaw to the theory, just a demonstration of how poorly implemented Android tablets have been thus far. If HP tablets suck then people won’t buy them, if they’re great then they will (as long as they price them right).
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:03 PM EST reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
Hey Dom? So you got tired of Engadget too? hahahaha
Tell your fellow MOD friends hi for me.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Engadget and I were never exclusive, although it was pretty heavy for a while, but we still get along great, see each other all the time (nearly hourly) and I help out with problems on a pretty regular basis.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Good to see you found your way over as well, d0m! Some of the old crew of Engadget commenters :-)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There’s a crew? Oh boy…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:01 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
I had to get the fuck away from there, those mods would always delete my comments….
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 12:55 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Me too!
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 12:06 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Disqus was always troublesome
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I have an iPhone and a Kindle Fire. They actually work really well together if you read Kindle books…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The main problem for me is you can’t use apps across devices. My informal survey is lots of people that have android devices have never paid for a an app while ever iphone or ipad owner has.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:20 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
universal apps on ipad/iphone are both high quality and hard to consider a sunk cost when considering a platform switch
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
WebOS will most likely be coming to phones if it survives. All HP has said is that it will not be the ones making the phone hardware this time around which makes perfect sense since they don’t have the expertise in the field and obviously neither does Palm. I think they realize that for webOS to be competitive, it will have to be a success in both the mobile phone industry and the tablet industry and they will develop for both.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i think that is more down to there not being any really decent, well rounded Android tablets until the Kindle Fire was released (which is a bastardised version of Android).
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I actually went the other way. I like the simplicity of iOS for my phone; but, wanted the ability to hack around with Android on a tablet. Most likely outside the norm; but, it works well for me.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:34 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
What’s your Android tablet?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My friend is like that. He prefers Android for phones, but loves iOS on a tablet. Probably from all the apps compared to the other platforms
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 12:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Because the OS is open source so other hardware companies will be making phones, presumably.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:00 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
That’s also not a bad point.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Just like they do with Meego, right?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:09 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Exactly. I don’t think there’s room for the major OEMs to branch out into yet another ecosystem, when they already have WP and android. Tons of resources would be required, for not much more profit, I would think.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s the point I was going to make… Sure, WebOS was amazing looking and poorly marketed, so it kind of died and now it’s back up… Maybe. It will depend on OEM’s and lets face it: With Android, iOS and Windows out there, you have to admit it will be hard.
Sure, the community can tweak and improve the heck out of the ecosystem, but developing hardware exclusively for it will still require investment from the HTC’s of the world… I hate to be pessimistic because I loved the original Pre (I had an iPhone but still loved WebOS), but I have to be pessimistic here.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Between Google/Moto and MS/Nokia, I’d say there is definitely room for a certain pair of OEMs to look at an open source alternative.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:30 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Why would you need the “same” ecosystem for your phone? Oh sure, there are apps which you might have to buy on various platforms, but it’s worth noting most of them are ridiculously inexpensive.
The Touchpad does an amazing job of integrating data, contacts, etc from my windows, mac and android devices and accounts. Really happy with Meg’s decision regarding WebOS. FYI, I bought the HP Touchpad thinking of an Android port but kind of fell in love with the little OS that can.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:48 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Who says there wont be phones? It’s open source, Sony, Sammy, HTC, or even LG could make a smartphone with WebOS if they deem it worthy. We simply just don’t know what will happen.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 10:35 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Because a phone requires a two-year commitment, while a tablet does not.
One of the reasons (IMHO) that the iPhone got such a huge collection of apps is because of the iPod Touch (the iPhone without the phone) — suddenly, you have a user base that can participate in the ecosystem without having what is a rather high barrier of entry.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 11:16 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That would be great. Although I the main concern is the Symbian thing. Open Source and back and so on.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Okay this could actually make WebOS a competitor. A company that develops tablet hardware for it, with an open source backend that developers and homebrew fans alike can play with? Fantastic.
Just make the hardware lightweight and fast and it’s a winner.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:59 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
How is it a winner? Why pick this over Android or Windows 8? I bet HP will put more effort on Windows 8 tablets than it will on any of their WebOS ones. I also bet that they have more current HW development on Windows 8 RIGHT now than on WebOS.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:13 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
this is a much more streamlined os than android
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:23 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Printers!!! FTW!!!!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:59 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I lol’d
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You guys laugh, but in the industrial ecosystem, printers and scanners are big business, and they are vastly more complex to deal with commercial capacities than your average ink jet you buy at the store. Many of these devices already have touch screens to input and index data for the paper you are about to scan or print. WebOS might actually work well on industrial printers.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 12:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well this doesn’t seem like a great PR move, why didn’t couldn’t they announce this along with open-sourcing. This makes open-sourcing seem much more promising.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, that’s interesting news! I’m thinking slim, excellent hardware with a fresher, fully featured and speedy OS.
Even I as a former Pre and now also iPad 2 user think that this makes perfect sense for tablets, since it’s a completely different story than with smartphones!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 2:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So who’s willing to bet this is a Windows 8 tablet dualbooting webOS in some way?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It lives!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So why did they open-source it then?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think they are trying to replicate Android success. I could have told them that it is Google thank makes Android a success not open source.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:06 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
So, do you think Android would be this successful if it weren’t open source?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Ask yourself this: why is Android successful and not Meego?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:15 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
One word: Google. The majority of the people that buy Androids phones don’t care or even know that it’s Open Source.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nobody buys the phones because they’re open source, but open source is where there are phones available to be bought at all. That was Google’s tactic to saturate the market, which works for them because all they really care about is targeting and serving ads. That is where I don’t see HP’s angle. Yes, more OEMs means more devices, but they ultimately end up competing with themselves unless there isa honey pot. Maybe it will be a iTunes-like ecosystem?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:47 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Meego was killed by Nokia before it was even released.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:28 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
How could Meego be a success when it wasn’t even released??
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:16 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
MeeGo isn’t even launched yet, the only phone that ran it actually ran Maemo 6.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 5:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Maybe yes. It takes more a baking community to make opensource projects thrive. For consumer software that is x2 times more effort.
Google was the backing community behind Android and Google brought a lot of players to the game – OHA. Maemo had only Nokia and failed.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They will create the “Nexus”, while vendors create their own version. Palm/HP or whatever aren’t great at producing this hardware. I think they realize this now….finally. WebOS would have done wonders if it had come out with a couple other launch partners to create phones for them. Palm tried to do it all and got burned.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What makes her think that WebOS hardware will succeed this time around? Ok so it’s open source….but when you have Windows 8 coming to market in an already crowded market…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:00 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
In all fairness, it didn’t really fail the last time around, they never even gave it a chance.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:38 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The sell through before the fire sale was apparently appalling. Don’t kid yourself, it failed.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 4:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That has to be good news for all of those who bought the discounted Touchpads. At least WebOS will continue to be optimized for their benefit.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:03 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I wish HP would give me closure.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just keep your Palm Profile activated and you can always go back home.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:04 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
wow
YES.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
WebOS is turning into a big ball of wool, perpetually being dangled before me…
But this is good. As long as they get how and where they dropped the ball first time around, it could be the best opportunity that the OS has had to date.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:04 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
hey meg, me and a few hundred other webOS developers say THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:04 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
There’s an air of reluctance in her comments, which makes me doubt HP’s commitment to this. HP aren’t serious about WebOS, that’s been clear for a while now. What they’re trying to do now is put one foot in the water, when the only chance WebOS has of success is if they dived right in. That’s the best analogy I can come up with.
Anyway, I’m not holding my breath.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:05 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
So what sense does it make to manufacture tablets, but not smartphones? Personally, I much enjoy the “synergy” of having multiple iOS devices and form factors. If I want something from my phone onto my tablet, it’s already in photostream. If I want an app, I only have to pay for it once.
As much as I like my iPad, I don’t find tablets to be NEARLY as useful overall as smartphones. Your smartphone is always with you, in your pocket. It’s your camera, iPod, phone, level, thermometer, etc. While tablets are extremely awesome/useful as well, it’s less so simply by virtue of the fact that it doesn’t fit in my pocket.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well I suspect HP think they can apply more of their hardware experience to tablets than to phones. Their PSG devices are a lot closer to a tablet than to a phone, they can leverage more experience.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But a tablet will remain MUCH more of a “for the man who already has a smartphone, laptop and 50” TV" device.
People have priorities, and having an awesome phone is way further up on that list. HP’s consumer electronics have always been Everyman’s products, and tablets cannot replace smartphones nor can they replace PCs.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
got touchpads to replace computers for my parents,
they dont have smartphones and its a pain for them to have to boot up a laptop and for me to maintain it for them
skype, web browsing, and a few games…pretty much all they do…all they need is a tablet, as long as i can set up wireless printing for them…theyll never need a pc again
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Smartphones are more complicated b/c of having to deal with carriers, consumers locked down with contracts, etc. With tablets, at least for the wifi-only version, just make the dang thing and sell them at electronic outlets. Easier.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think the hope is that the likes of HTC or Samsung (or any other 3rd party manufacturer) will put out WebOS phones.
Looking at the hardware of the Pre, Pre 2 and pixi it is probably a good idea, even though they supposedly got it right with the Pre 3 (although I feel the fact that it was not publicly available boosted its reviews…)
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes. I’m really hoping for this. I’m hoping HTC , after they were kind of snubbed by their two main partners, will decide to give webOS a shot. (Google bought Motorola mobility and they’ve been letting Samsung do their Nexuses twice in a row. Microsoft is being buddy buddy with Nokia now.).
That or LG… but I don’t see LG taking such a risk though since they probably don’t have the name recognition yet to draw people to it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Didn’t they just lay off six-hundred employees who had been working on webOS hardware? These people are bat shit crazy.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:05 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Agreed. They have no clue wtf they’re doing, and this little revelation today just further confirms it.
If they wanted to wow people, they should have announced a new tablet, a new smartphone, and announced that they would both be shipping in the next 4 weeks. THAT’S how you launch a product. You don’t string people around for 12+ months, finally announce a product, and then wait another 6 to release it.
And then there’s HP’s utter lack of design chops. I bet they’d have more luck creating a lustworthy product if they went through the whole process with their eyes closed.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They fired the dedicated webOS hardware staff but they will probably just get the PSG designers to work on a tablet if they really do it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wonderful! HP have always done so well at creating beautiful hardware.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Lol you’re joking right?
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 2:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So on the one hand she says HP will be a major contributor to the WebOS project but on the other hand HP is only interested in tablets. What exactly will this mean for WebOS on smartphones? Sounds to me like the WebOS development will focus on tablets in the future, leaving even less space for WebOS smartphones.
Besides, is this really a good idea? Making a good tablet is much harder than making a good phone, because the selection and quality of apps become even more important. So going tablets-only is not only more difficult, but also limits the audience for WebOS even more. After all, if HP won’t make WebOS smartphones I’m not sure why anybody else would bother.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Also, "maybe 2012, maybe not" – seriously? It’s not as if the competition was advancing in a fast pace, is it?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:10 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s par for the course with HP. Glacial release cycles, and completely underwhelming products.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It doesn’t make any sense. Apple is making a KILLING because iOS is on iPhone, iPod, iPad, and Apple TV. There’s a cohesive UX created, and it motivates people to buy more of their products.
The only way people will buy another WebOS tablet from HP is if it still costs $99.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:10 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
TOUCHPAD GO! PLEASE!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s understandable why they would feel more comfortable in the tablet business rather than smart phone business. As similar as the devices seem, it might be much harder to compete against the other phones out there, whereas tablets are a natural progression for the current PC user in the future. They are trying to take that step forward and calculate what’s next for PCs. Naturally, the future is touch screen and portability, so tablets make a lot of sense. Phones would certainly add to the ecosystem, but maybe it’s too much of a risk at this time. I’m sure there is always a possibility for new phones in the future, but I think HP wants to take this one step at a time and not get too caught up in ideas. That might have been what the Veer, Pre 3, and TouchPad were. Just some great ideas that HP got a little too excited about and needed to take things a little slower and test the waters.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Having multiple form factors / devices within the same ecosystem adds cohesion, and increases the depth and bredth of their portfolio. HP has billions and billions of dollars. It’s a huge mistake for them to forgo making phones, as it’s THE piece of hardware that everyone has/needs/wants, and it’s THE piece of hardware that everyone upgrades within 24 months. Major fail. I can’t imagine that today’s announcement put ANY faith back ito HP’s shareholders.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Netscape Communicator FTW!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They should release a comunity version of WebOS to test things in and let the linux comunity develop it, and they should release the official stable version of WebOS as an option in a variety of different products (read PCs) – Kind of how Red Hat does with Fedora.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That appears to be how they’re planning on setting up shop. Whitman says that they’re looking at RedHat and Mozilla for models.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Unless HP decides to make a $99 tablet with $400 specs, this will just inevitably fail. Windows 8 is upon us, the iPad is hugely successful and Android is running on momentum. No room for a fourth, and worse yet tablet only, OS.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Seriously. Why would they even THINK that a tablet-only OS is a good idea, especially as we see more and more loyalty to a particular platform. There’s a ton of value in having all your devices be able to plug into the same ecosystem. I agree that they don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Windows 8 on ARM is an example of a tablet only OS.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think we’ll see a real merger of Windows 8 and Windows Phone. It’ll be 2013 before we see a W8 ARM tablet, anyway. Phone specs aren’t significantly less powerful than tablet specs. It looks like MS is aiming for a cohesive, across-the-board experience, and I’d be surprised if the 2013 MS tablet experience is significantly different from the 2013 MS phone experience. We’ll see though.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think so too. Because Microsoft’s dominance over users I see them as the main OS on mobile and tablet in 3-5 years. Their only real competitor is Google, not Apple. WebOS will still exist then but not a big seller. That’s my prediction, but I hope I’m wrong.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 6:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nobody said it will be tablet only, she just said that THEY won’t be making a phone.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:53 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Bring it. So rehire the hardware folks?? Let HTC/Samsung do-up the phone real purdy-like.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A mobile OS should be a FULL ecosystem… not just tablets…
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:16 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Before we accept that as dogma, tell me how this is working out for Android.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:55 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
I think if the the ecosystem matures and they can design nice hardware, it would make sense to make a smartphone, but I think it’s smart to focus on a tablet first.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:20 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Does this mean they’re quadrupiling down on failure now?
webOS is slow and bloated, let it go.
2013? Good luck with that. The Asian manufacturers must be doing a victory dance.
BTW I’m trying to type this on a palm pre and every few seconds the screen completely flips out and scrolls away from the text entry box. Awesome. The inductive charging is the best thing about webOS devices.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I have absolutely not horse in this race, but I think the scroll issue you’re having in the comments is because new comments are added to the page live as they’re posted, so the box keeps jumping away from your current scroll position. Just reading the comments on my desktop, I’ve had the scroll position jump about 5 times now.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
One word. Fuckyeah. Can’t wait for HTC sense overlaying this
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:27 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
One word. Fuckyeah. Can’t wait for HTC sense overlaying this
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:27 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Open-sourcing a product that’s already failed in the marketplace is a guaranteed winning strategy. We’ve seen it work so many times before.
Prediction: Windows 8 tablets from HP in 2012, no mention of Web OS.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So, uhh… does this mean the Touchpad Go might be released then?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Wonderful interview. Excellent questions, and she seemed to be pretty forthcoming. I’m glad to see so little doublespeak.
And already Meg is million times better than Leo in my estimation. Excited to see what’s to come.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:41 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Leo Apotheker was there to make money…….. Meg Whitman already has money
he made 35.7 million in 11 months…..
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Unless I missed it in the above transcription, I really would like to know who will be hosting the App Catalog and all of it’s parts. I’m guessing HP will continue to do that, but nothing in the press releases or any articles/posts mentions the App Catalog.
Unless of course, they don’t know yet.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 3:44 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
By the time they get this sorted won’t the competition be too far ahead?
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes. I don’t see how webOS does anything so much better than either iOS or Android to make any kind of a dent in market share and thus developer support. I mean, I’m happy ICS is coming to the Touchpad because it will make mine more useful. But webOS itself? If there are any good parts of it (still not sure what those are), they’ll probably be adopted by Apple or Google anyway.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is exactly what they should’ve done from the very start – sit down and figure out a plan with a reasonable time-frame, not “let’s buy this, release a crappy device or two and if it doesn’t become a huge success in 2 weeks we get rid of it”. Whether it was Meg Whitman alone or with assistance from others but I applaud them for getting HP back on track. WebOS may still end up being a losing proposition but at least it’ll have a real chance.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:15 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Interesting. Bootstrapping a new open source initiative and building a 600+ person division around that will be a challenge in and of itself, but my main concern is in their timeline. 4-5 years is highly conservative, to say the least. If they said 2-3 years, I’d think they’d be a decent long shot at gaining some marketshare. How are they going to keep their current Touchpad users engaged in the platform if they don’t expect major traction for half a decade? Otherwise, I think their strategy and logic are (for the most part) sound.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:17 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yes, yes you willcontinue to make hardware, and I will love it for I love webOS.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:34 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
My friend got a touchPad, but I never got to see what WebOs looks like on it cause he rooted it to run Android. The build of it seemed nice though. If they could make the TouchPad better physically than I’d buy it.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
hopefully meg has the vision to help bring forth webOS’s full potential.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 4:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh, HP! Zombies are soooo last year!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
RIght now my Touchpad is running CM7 alpha 3 and sits in an iCade (awesome cyber monday $50 deal) and runs MAME. But then I bought it to do “fun hacky things” because it was $99 and the hardware is worth more than that. As for webOS- it’s nice in some ways but feels unfinished and hopelessly behind iOS and Android on the “ecosystem” front.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 5:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh wow – webOS is maybe not dead! Keeping my fingers crossed for this wonderful platform.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:05 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I still don’t trust HP but at the very least, Meg Whitman is no Leo Apotheker. That man was insane.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 6:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They need to a make THE 100 dollar tablet. Make WebOS run super smooth on really low end hardware, and I can imagine a world where they break even.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 7:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I want webOS on an N9
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t understand this. How will HP make a profit off of WebOS? It’s not by selling WebOS tablets right? I mean they can’t seriously think people will buy WebOS-tablets when there’s iPads, Android-tabelts and soon W8-tablets.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
None of this interview makes sense. And by the way, great get, guys. Seriously, getting Whitman was a coup. But her thinking on WebOS is foolish at best. They don’t know why Touchpads didn’t sell, what can get them to sell, and the one thing they had that others didn’t was WebOS. Now they’re giving that away for free? So what will differentiate their next Touchpad from a manufacturer that is able to monetize WebOS (presuming at best case that’s even possible). And if that isn’t possible, why even plow more resources into this? The whole thing smacks of immature hubris, not a quantifiable strategy that can lead to success.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
move over jQuery mobile and Sencha… Enyo is in town!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m a little skeptical about this one… I really love WebOS for it’s simple yet amazing and capable UI and open-source it can ruin that… or it can take it to unprecedented success… given that technologically speaking WebOS is more advanced than Android (arguably the most popular open source project right now)…
I guess it really is make it or break it… I really do hope WebOS goes far bc anyone who has used it knows how good it is…
Much Love!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 8:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So they’re getting out of the mobile phone space completely? That seems like a pretty bad move for a PC manufacturer.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sorry, this just looks like bad news to me.
Comparing this to something like Redhat isn’t really a good correlation at all and it just doesn’t work here– this is clearly much closer to Nokia and Symbian a few years back… Except in this scenario it would be as if Nokia had basically said "yeah we’ll ‘support’ your little open source project, but we won’t commit to producing any devices for it in the foreseeable future.. oh and there’s no Sony Ericsson or Samsung either.. ..oh and you’ve got essentially zero market share across every market.. still, have fun growing the platform!"
Realistically, what is in it for a developer to really dedicate resources to WebOS at this point? There is no hardware roadmap, no device support and the software platform has been sent to the open source ring of Dante’s inferno to be forked into oblivion.
Meanwhile, a skeleton shift of WebOS engineers, staring bleakly into another restructuring now are tasked with what exactly? Tweaking the software so it can be released into the wild?
I guess it’s good that’s it just didn’t get set on a dusty shelf somewhere, but short of someone like Amazon taking it and running with it for the next Kindle, it’s just another abandoned platform casualty.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I own a touchpad and I love WebOS. But whenever I use this touchpad, I feel like a good soul trapped in a crippled body.
So, I welcome this decision of making WebOS Open source. Although, after reading this interview I do not have much hope from HP. 3-4 Years…? It is a very long time to have a long term road map for mobile platform, especially when a mobile revolution is happening right now.
After reading a interview, I feed like Meg is trying to play safe and trying to make everyone happy, don’t work that way, in my opinion. Such half hearted decisions won’t take HP any were on WebOS front.
Only hope for WebOS is – if more aggressive companies like Amazon or HTC adapt WebOS as their primary OS and start building devices around it.
As far as lack of Apps and ecosystems is concern, Android runner for WebOS can do the magic (Strategy RIM has adapted.)
Once again, I must say WebOS is much more polished OS that Android and it definitely deserve a second chance.
All the very best WebOS!!!
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 9:40 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Can’t quite figure out where HP will make money on OEMs using WebOS once its open sourced. It’s not like the Google route where they want search hits etc.
Posted on Dec 09, 2011 | 10:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Correct me if I’m wrong but the way I see it, webOS could be to tablets/phones what Linux is to computers?
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 12:17 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
WebOS is Linux.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 12:31 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
hp needs google like never before.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 1:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Lumia, here I come ! Another webOS-refugee eating mangos.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 4:34 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
What if these tablets actually succeed? What’s to stop someone from making the exact same product, but cheaper? There’s no way to win in this scenario.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 5:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Even though I would like to see it happen, I don’t think this alone will make it get much traction. HP’s recent reputation means their dedication is uncertain, she is playing it both ways. Samsung or HTC will need to be on board, and we don’t know the details. At this point, unfortunately it will remain a fringe OS.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 5:56 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It doesnt hurt HP to keep WebOS alive. HP have a lot of money. Keeping WebOS alive will just add a few dollars till their research budget. No big deal.
Where I think HP might be going with this is the by looking not at Google, but IBM and their use of Linux in enterprise. To have an OS that is open source that is customizable by anyone and is supported by a huge company like HP could be a big asset if HP starts going after the consultancy business that IBM is in.
IBM didnt really want to be recommending and selling Microsoft Software to its clients and in the consulting game and I’m sure HP wouldnt want to either. Having tablets and computers that they can sell in bulk to customers with WebOS plus HP’s consultancy fees could be a big money spinner.
For example, HP get a big government contract to supply A&E departments in hospitals with incident recording system. They could sell consultancy work + tablets/webOS custom built to the government without MS being any where near that. Thats big bucks and where HP ultimately wants to go.
That is also in line with why they want to produce tablets and not phones. Tablets fit into the modern computing paradigm for business, mobile phones dont.
I think Meg is being smart and getting the best bang for buck. WebOS will not be a consumer success but for industry and other specialized enterprise needs it could do very well.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 12:21 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
great new for asian handset manufacturers.
too bad nokia is in bed with microsoft. i would loved to have seen a nokia designed webOS phone.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 3:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I find it sad the webOS was mishandled in such a way. It’s too bad HP hired Léo Apotheker. I do think that the HP board was right to fire Hurd. What he did was inexcusable. I do think he made a good decision to buy Palm though. It’s unfortunate that after he was removed Apotheker was allowed to destroy Palm. Despite the fact that it wasn’t making a huge splash in the marketplace, I think it had a future. HP had the money to stick with it. I just wish that actually did.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 5:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think they did this because killing it off felt like admitting mistake.
Posted on Dec 10, 2011 | 6:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Of course it would be efficient if they put it in hardware… IN TABLETS.Sounds meta to me.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 7:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Here’s the odd thing, apparently when Whitman said
Her meaning of near term is not perhaps what you might expect, given that she said the following to AllThingsD
So near term means maybe 2013, but not definitely, and almost certainly not 2012.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 11:27 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You need to understand though that these big companies plan to be around for a long time, so two years from now is near term. They probably have roadmaps for the next decade. Hell, look at Intel. Their planned roadamp is already publicly known through 2017. And that’s just what’s been publicly released/leaked. 2013 may as well be next month.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 12:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Wow. I really don’t get most of the commenters here. Most big business articles get flak from the Linux people because the evil corporations are just taking money and everything should be free and open source. So HP makes this move to try to save this platform and essentially saving 600 jobs for the time being while at the same time opening up this apparently great OS to development, and people’s reactions are…still angry? What? People with WebOS devices wishing HP would kill it off for closure in the face of having their platform still get support? Is this the twight zone?
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 12:31 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Right, I don’t get it either. I think it’s a great move, and we’ll see if Meg Whitman has what it takes to turn around the company. One shouldn’t expect that everything in their management would have changed overnight.
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 9:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They aren’t saving 600 jobs, if you actually read all the details it’s clear that the webos team is getting shrunk down to start-up size.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 12:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sometimes i feel like following companies that really have a vision of the future, and know where they are headed. So… hmmm…
Posted on Dec 11, 2011 | 10:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, what do you know about that? And Josh told us all to let it go. WebOS lives! lol.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 12:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
… and so WebOS becomes WebOS: WebOperatingSystem → WebOpenSource. I’m thrilled how that’s gonna turn out.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 1:21 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 10:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sounds like the polar opposite of what Leo tried (not open source and not longterm, instead trying to kill it off after less than a month passed since the release of the tablet).
Opposite of what Leo did sounds good to me.
Posted on Dec 12, 2011 | 11:21 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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