Google's director of Android user experience Matias Duarte just stopped by The Verge trailer here at CES to make a special announcement, and we've decided to try something new — we're streaming the interview live. We'll be kicking things off in just a moment, and Matias will be taking viewer questions for a while after the announcement.
Update: We've now uploaded our recording of the live interview for you to enjoy below.
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hmm what could this be?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
New version of Android that will fight fragmentation, oh wait that was the LAST release.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend (53) Flag actions
You clearly do not understand what the point of Android is.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:36 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
To make money by getting their OS on as many devices as possible, regardless of user experience, by getting those users to sign up for ad-supported google services?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:49 PM EST reply Recommend (78) Flag actions
Too true.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 5:23 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
http://advertising.microsoft.com/mobile-apps
http://advertising.apple.com/
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 6:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Who makes their money from advertising. Google. MS makes it from software, Apple from hardware.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 9:15 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
And that’s all there is to know about money in the technology industry of today!
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 11:50 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Fragmenting the market away from iOS to /anything/ else means the web will survive on mobiles & it won’t all be parcelled up & hidden away in Apps that Apple sell.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 5:50 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
You forget that the web is HTTP, you don’t need a browser to view the “web”. I don’t care if the data is tunneled through to an app, as long as it’s using HTTP.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Google care though because half the was only accessible on mobiles via an app where is their revenue opportunity
By launching a rival OS & giving it away Google have ensured that no one mobile platform therefore another company won’t control the gates too the web
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 6:28 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Bloody missing words, way past my bedtime
Because *if half the web…
That no one *will become too dominant therefore….
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 6:31 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Partially true, but why do we care about helping a “poor” advertising company? Besides there would never be one company controlling the web, the web can’t work that way.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 7:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well mobile web is very much geared towards iOS now, just like websites were “optimized” for IE6 not that long time ago.
Do you remember the stagnation of the web and the resulting ascent of Flash? Or do you want to forget the lessons of history?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 8:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Good thing google contributes to webkit now too, right? ;D
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Irrelevant, resurgence of third party(other than IE/Trident) layout engines resulted in standardization not only of layout markup, but of content too.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
you refer to non MS rendering engines as third party?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:10 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
At the point in time when IE6 stagnantly dominated, yes.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah. Gonna stop right there.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Woah dude, iOS follows official standards set by the W3c, same as Android. Let’s not go making comparisons that don’t exist.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 11:22 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
And what can other mobile web browsers do that iOS Safari can’t?
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 9:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Whoever controls the access to the internet (telcos/Cable companies/ISPs) control the web. If you go over their pipes to get to information they control the information in a sense. What you see today at least in the US is a power grab, that is the same as what happened to radio, telephones, television, and movie and music companies. To say it can’t be controlled is to show ignorance of history.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 11:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Is that why Google doesn’t play ball with Facebook and Twitter and instead pushes their own competing service into their search results?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 11:35 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Twitter and Facebook DO NOT allow Google to index their pages. What choice do they have. Please, for the love of God do some research.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:20 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
That’s because Twitter and Facebook don’t want Google to embrace, extend and extinguish them. Do some more research into history.
For Twitter and Facebook to open things up to Google for free would essentially help Google make their websites irrelevant. Google wants to be the first (and possibly only) stop on the Web for just about everything you need.
Take a look at what they are doing to Mocality in Kenya:
http://blog.mocality.co.ke/2012/01/13/google-what-were-you-thinking/
These guys actually wanted to work with Google, but instead Google is trying to put them out of business in a very underhanded way.
In many ways, Google is the new Microsoft and that is why they have so many “competitors”. Its really hard to partner with Google because anything that anybody does to make money is something that Google wants to do themselves. Their new Search “Plus Your World” is just another example of wielding monopoly power to push your other products.
When Google says “we would certainly show Facebook and Twitter content in search if they would only let us index it” they are actually saying “we are leveraging search in a way to try to force Twitter and Facebook into irrelevance since we could not do it by indexing their content”.
Personally, I wish Google would pick 3 things and focus on them instead of competing with literally everybody (including their partners and ex-partners like Apple, Amazon, and Samsung).
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 6:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, that’s bullshit. It’s obviously because Google didn’t get what they wanted.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 9:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Google should pay to access their data. They operate a search engine and apparently seek to ensure no one owns the web – pay up for the data and keep the web diversified.
AFAIK, Bing indexes Twitter. Why isn’t there a conflict there?
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 7:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Have you been under a rock? Facebook doesn’t allow Google to Index and Twitter was the one that ended their relationship.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:41 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Have you been under a rock? If Facebook and Twitter let Google index their content then Google would be able to force them into irrelevance far quicker. Search “Plus Your World” is a power play from Google, but it is one that leverages a monopoly in search to push Google’s other properties.
Microsoft paved the way with this kind of behavior years ago. It was called “embrace, extend, extinguish” and they were very good at it. Google has modified the game slightly, but the rules are mostly the same and it only plays out well the biggest kid at the table.
You believe Google is so righteous in all things? Check out what they are doing to Mocality in Kenya:
http://blog.mocality.co.ke/2012/01/13/google-what-were-you-thinking/
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 6:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t know the details of Google-Facebook, but I call bullshit on the Twitter statement. Twitter profits from the control of its search and data, and therefore Google should pay them. It’s their data, and if Google is about leaving the web open to everyone, they should be playing ball with Twitter.
Also, are you telling me nothing on Facebook and Twitter can be indexed? That’s seems like bullocks to me.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 7:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
One of two things happened here. Twitter got greedy and tried to flex negotiating muscle and Google balked, at their demands.
Or MS made an exclusivity deal with them that locked Google out of a deal. My theory is the first.
Does Twitter really want to be indexed or do they want the scores of millions they were trying to charge Google for the luxury of doing so? I wish they would stop whining that Google doesn’t want to pay them what they want to be indexed then pouting about it, by saying it isn’t fair.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 11:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Twitter got greedy? what are you smoking.
Posted on Jan 15, 2012 | 4:52 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So…. You don’t care that the data might be is some proprietary, encrypted or otherwise obscure format?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 8:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hmm, is that what I said? Nope.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 11:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He asked you a question which you dodged by answering with your own question. Stay classy.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 9:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You seem to have barely any idea as to what you’re talking about. MS and Apple control default search on their platforms, they police their app stores heavily and HTML5 apps are purposefully restricted in their functionality.
Now do you see why Android was/is/will continue to be vital to the future of free flow of information. Or are you just rather simple?
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:19 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
How does MS or Apple control default search? I don’t know how it is in the states but when you buy a Windows PC, or even install Chrome you get the option to pick your search provider.
To make such accusations when neither company has even remotely committed such a crime is absurd. And don’t think for a second that Google can’t exert control with Android. They have and they will do it.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 5:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He is wrong about Apple but Windows Phone doesnt let you change the default search engine.
However, carriers have the option to change the search engine on WP, but the users do not. You can use either a separate search app, the search button, or whatever your browser is configured to use as search that is out of your control. Changing it requires developer unlock and registry hack.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 5:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wait, default search on iOS is Google, everyone wins! HTML5 apps restricted in functionality? HOW? I can do anything that HTML5 can do in Mobile Safari. MS and Apple policing their app stores heavily? Well maybe that explains why Android is the one with malware…
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 8:15 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Google says they made Android so one company would not control the future of mobile. The truth is that Google would have no problem with it being one company, so long as it was Google.
I would trust Apple in a dominant position far more than Google in a dominant position. Google has repeatedly abused their power and search monopoly. But truthfully, a two-horse or three-horse race would be best for consumers. I just wish Google was not getting so much control of the data on the Internet. They currently have the power to sway public opinion by merely modifying search results for specific terms. They claim that is against their policies, but they have violated their own policies and “Don’t Be Evil” mantra time and again.
I’d much rather have one company controlling what native apps I could run (since Apple never restricted web-based apps) than controlling what information gets returned to me and my fellow citizens on an Internet search. The amount of information that Google currently has on people in addition to the number of people they can influence daily is very scary.
I know this is a bit of an exaggeration in the “conspiracy theory” area, but for illustrative purposes imagine a Google that contacted a Gmail user, pretending to be somebody who hacked their account and blackmailed that user over something they read in their email (and yes, Google has the tools to sift email to find the relevant accounts to bother with). Then imagine that somebody was a Congressman or Senator. Then imagine searches for “Google Blackmail” turning users towards content that emphasized Google’s strong ethics and protections for their users privacy.
No one entity should ever have too much power. Not Apple. Not Google. But it makes me laugh that folks think that “what apps are approved or not approved” is more vital than what information is known about them and what information is disseminated to them. Also, in regards to Apple, a jailbroken iPhone can run any app you want — so you can always escape the dictator that Apple is made out to be.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 7:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“MS and Apple control default search on their platforms”
iOS gives you a choice, Google, Bing or Yahoo…. or did you want AskJeeves?
“HTML5 apps are purposefully restricted in their functionality.”…elaborate. What can Androids browser do that iOS Safari can’t?
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 9:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
oh yeah the BGR/allthingsd. apple trolls are out.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 5:51 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
yeah, i hate people who think differently then me!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:03 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
“think differently”
Very nicely done.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 11:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
then you aren’t an iPhone owner then I presumme.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 12:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Epic Win.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 7:16 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
How dare you!?
Android was created – nay.. artisan crafted – to be an extension of all that is wonderful and great about technology.
In-between drum circles and robot fighting competitions, Google smartest, hippest, open-source-iest engineers were told to simply build the best, non-evil OS ever and christen it with a cute little mascot and candy-coated build names. Then give it away to the world for free — no strings attached!! Google hates money, after all… ‘technology is for all of us’ they say.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 11:03 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
“Google hates money”
This is true, Eric Schmidt recently dropped this bomb in an interview with Gizmodo.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 11:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Tried googlin’ it, do you have a link to that? :/
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 9:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
whooooosshhh
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 9:52 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
*sigh
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 9:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Love you!
Posted on Jan 15, 2012 | 4:04 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
you forgot to mine all the user data, so they can give it to me to make more ads to show you and make money
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 6:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
BURN!
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 3:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
so you proved freyberry’s point.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 3:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
fragmentation is fragmentation fragmentation. think about it.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:53 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Ads?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 5:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Quite honestly at this point I don’t care what the “point” is for Google. I care that Android’s existence has allowed the carriers to continue calling the shots.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 9:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You mean the same carriers that told Apple to code CarrierIQ into iOS? Yeah, the carriers do call the shots.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:43 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Carriers didn’t tell Apple to do that. Apple wanted the diagnostic info. Apple fundamentally changed the way carriers operate. Carriers don’t tell Apple what to do.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 5:32 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Of course Apple did it on their own accord. Sad spin story. They were told to do it.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 6:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Really?
Google Voice on iOS rejected at the behest of whom Apple or AT&T.
Tethering.
Apple has a strong hand with the carriers and more so now due to market penetration, but to say carriers don’t have a say in iOS is like saying that the RIAA had no say in iTunes choice to use DRM.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 11:17 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Doesn’t make sense. AT&T already denied involvement. And iPhone is sold on multiple carriers across the world. Carriers have no control over the functions of the iPhone. Apple wants to control that experience.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 1:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hmm, AT&T denied responsibility and Apple denied responsibility. We should probably flip a coin on who to blame.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 5:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Enlighten us.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 1:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Fragmentation is not avoidable in the current Android model. It comes with its pain but this model took Android from 0% to about 50% of the smartphone marketshare, so somehow it must have some pros.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Being a cheap alternative?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 5:00 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
What exactly is wrong with being a cheap alternative? Do you want everything to be expensive and out of reach of people who live in developing countries? You clearly do not understand android.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 5:22 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
I’m just saying that’s how it got where it is. It IS a cheap alternative to the iPhone. I like there being cheap alternatives, but Android just isn’t for me. I don’t have an iPhone either, though. I use Windows Phone, but I do have an iPad.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 11:06 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Cheap?? There are a lot of not cheap android devices. Actually I beleive that is what Microsoft is doing now with the market making cheap devices for people because I haven not seen one high end device from the microsoft front. I think every microsoft phone that comes out it reads this is a mid end device that is 50 dollars on contract yet you call android the cheap device??
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 1:03 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Samsung Focus S – $199.99
HTC Titan – $199.99
Yep, that sure is $50.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 6:55 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
What are you talking about? You can get free android phones on contract all the time. Do you know which android phones sell the most? I’m willing to bet that the cheap and free ones are.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 11:57 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s called choice. Where as Apple offers one device at one price point, the benefit of Android is the option of offering many devices at many different price points.
Unfortunately, Apple seems to consider choice a privilege, not a right. Clearly, the choice to offer one device isn’t really what I’m talking about. Apple seems to think that they should have totalitarian control over everything that you buy from them, and that’s why I’ll never own an Apple product.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 8:11 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Oh pleeeeeeeeezz, not that choice crap again. Why all android fanboys think choice = android???
Yes Apple offers only 1 iphone. That can be because they have limited resources and they want to offer the best experience to its customer. Consumers always have choice, its just not all choices are apple devices.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 8:20 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Apple have limited resources? Bullshit.
They offer one device because they want to make money. As soon as you start offering a smaller device at a lower pricepoint, there goes half of your revenue. And don’t try and tell me that they couldn’t have a consistent user experience over two devices, because they’ve already demonstrated they can with their three iDevices.
But that wasn’t really my point. My point is that overall, Apple likes to control what you do with your device. That’s what I object to. Cory Doctrow put it perfectly in his keynote, where he spoke about how computers are becoming more and more part of our day to day lives.
Apple are setting a dangerous precedent that I fundamentally don’t agree with. They only allow you to do what they think is best for your user experience, regardless of what you as the consumer may think. What Doctrow said was that in 5 or 10 or 20 years when nearly everything is run by a small computer, we will NEED to have fine control over what processes and applications run on our devices, and when and how they run.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 8:28 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
and i bet you call iOS users sheep. Your just throwing up distorted facts.
Apple could care less what i do with my device, they won’t however, let Apps or Carriers mess with the experience.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:07 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Why would they fight jailbreakers so hard? And yes Apple does care what you do with your device, even for a simple fact that they want to maintain a proper level of experience.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:10 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
funny how awesome they treat me for that then. When my wife broke my iPhone 4’s screen and they replaced it free, while running a WP7 dreamboard theme.
evil bastards.
And ask the jail breakers, pod2g, saurik, comex, etc if apple is hard on them. They aren’t.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
They cant do anything now legally. But before the copyright board decided otherwise they were all too determined to have DMCA anti circumvention provisions applied to jailbreakers.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
you mean can?
and lawyers wanting the option, does not equal doing anything. They literally had years. I know. I was alive in 2007.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:16 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
They no longer can.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
sorry, don’t know how i read that wrong.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
i guess your suggesting they leave the holes in the platform open?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I was referring to the legal matter, not technical.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t blame them since I only know about two people who aren’t jailbroken, and of those who are, I don’t know a single person who isn’t doing it for piracy. Jailbreaking brought dead-easy piracy to the masses.
Running cracked apps (or homebrew for that matter) can always create the risk of security threats either opened up by the app, or present in the app itself.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 11:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i’ve spent probably $70 in the android market and $120 in the app store.
I jailbreak for smaller things, like zephyr, haptic pro, and maybe a different bluetooth stack. I’ll probably install Dreamboard for old times sake, but never use it.
It’s probably age difference however. When your in your 30s you tend to want people who have worked hard on stuff to be compensated, unless you just an asshole. Teenagers on the other hand, are far to self absorbed to care.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 9:56 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I know not everyone does it but my nephew who is 12 years old all he wanted was an ipod touch…. I asked him why and he said becasuse all of his friends jailbreak and get games for free the whole market he said for free thats insane and if I was apple I would try to block that too since it only hurts the developer platform.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 1:08 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
exactly.
now get off my lawn.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 3:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Choice is a not a real argument. There is a choice with the iPhone, you can get one or not get one. Pretty simple choice.
Apple isn’t forcing anyone to purchase their products or use their services, and there is a common misconception that current users of Apple products are “stuck” within their ecosystem and can’t get out. It’s completely false and has no grounds.
Also this idea that Apple wants to control it’s users is completely illogical. If Apple is so totalitarian, why do they sell DRM free music that can be used on any device? Why would they open source Webkit? Why would they allow users to access the unix terminal?
These are common talking points that are always used, but they aren’t even real arguments. It’s hate mongering based off ignorance.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 2:39 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Because they are required to, because it is based on / derived from an open source project?
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:49 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Pretty poor argument sir. What are you trying to insinuate? That Apple would make it closed source? You no idea of the open source projects Apple does.
http://opensource.apple.com/
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 5:35 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m simply countering the insinuation that Apple is open-sourcing Webkit out of anything other than being obligated to.
Apple uses open source projects like Webkit and X11, it’s not like they started it.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 8:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Did Google start Android? I don’t see the issue here. They continue to contribute.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 9:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
For the discussion here, for all intents and purposes yes Google did start Android. Google certainly had freedom to decide whether to open-source the bulk of Android’s software stack and what license to use.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 3:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nope. They bought it, spin it however you want.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Did I say Google started Android? I never even mentioned Android. I never said there was an issue either. Just don’t try to portray Apple as being some Open Source advocate, when they clearly aren’t. Otherwise they would have open sources OSX. And no, Darwin != OSX.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 3:42 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They offer the same device because that is the strength of iOS. Product lines must be simple enough for the user to understand.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 5:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No Android is not choice, but it is a viable alternative. That is the difference between choice and Android. If you want to see lack of a viable alternative, see desktop OS market. (For all my praise of OSX and it’s polish, it’s nowhere near being a viable alternative to Windows in most cases)
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 9:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“In most cases” really? The average consumer needs something OS X can’t give them?
All other things being equal, this argument holds no water today.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 9:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
you should be taken to task for this. As someone who has run entire businesses off OS X, i object.
If you get big, you need help from others, (not just apple) but you can 100% do it sans MS.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 10:20 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Where am I saying that it can’t be done? Hell, even Linux can be used without issues. (My 7 y/o niece and my very much non-techie sister have no issues at using my Linux only desktop)
Viable as in: XOOM on Honeycomb isn’t a viable alternative to iPad.
The more we move to the cloud, the less Windows keeps its status quo.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 11:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
that’s what i’m responding to. (as well as 2 other people) Maybe that’s not the way you meant it.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 3:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This quote right here is the most unbelievable thing I’ve ever heard:
“For all my praise of OSX and it’s polish, it’s nowhere near being a viable alternative to Windows in most cases”
This can’t be a real talking point here. It’s an extremely absurd statement.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 2:12 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Replace OSX with webOS and Windows with iOS, then you’ll get it.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 11:35 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OS X is more functional, more powerful than Windows. That’s not an opinion. It’s a fact. I use Windows more than I use OS X but I can admit that.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 5:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You do realise that viable is not a synonym of functional? Do you?
Personally if it weren’t for the games, I would switch to OSX or any other Unix system. (The only thing keeping me from OSX is it’s lack of support for ext2/3/4 filesystems.)
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 11:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Read what I said. I meant that not something else.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh… I though you were countering to my viability statement, by pointing out that OSX if more functional.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 10:44 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
if your willing to have a 2-5gb file on your machine specifically for using that drive, virtual box and your choice of distro will work, and then allow you to mount it as NFS to the mac. There are guides available. Not the best work around tho.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 3:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s almost inexcusable not to have many ext2/3 support in XNU. Bad Apple, bad Apple….
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 10:47 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
there are a few drivers for ext2/3, and people have got them working through lion, I was talking ext4, which is just easier to use the NFS method.
But i completely agree. For how close the two OS’s are, it’s a disgrace there’s not better support.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 11:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh pleeeeezzzz, Apple has limited resources? You are completely clueless here. We’re way past Apple being able to play the underdog card.
No matter how you put it, Android does give people a choice. Choice in brands, choice in price classes, choice in form factors, choice in customization. You can call it crap as many times as you want, but it’s simply a fact that Android offers people more choice to people who want to have it.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Again, not a real argument. The iPhone does offer a choice, buy one, or don’t buy one.
What you are describing isn’t choice, it’s an alternative. People purchasing different phone brands, sizes and forms are alternatives people can choose. Choice is not a feature that Android provides exclusively.
No choice is a monopoly.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 6:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re playing a semantics game here.
Android provides choice based upon several criteria on it’s platform that the iOS platform does not. Better?
Someone might prefer a physical keyboard, with Android there’s possibilities for that, with iOS there isn’t.
Nowhere did I say Android provides choice exclusively. The iPhone however provides little to no choice. Saying that buying it or not buying it is a choice is totally reaching for an argument.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 8:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The choice argument is a logical fallacy.
Argument: The iPhone provides no choice.
Conclusion: Therefore you must choose an iPhone.
Correct argument: Android provides a viable alternative for the iPhone with many more alternate devices that have different forms.
Conclusion: Android platform provides lots of alternatives.
Learn what a logical fallacy is, then maybe people will take your arguments more seriously.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 3:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re talking about choice between platforms, I am talking about choice within a platform. iOS provides little choice within it’s platform, Android provides a lot of choice within it’s platform. Therefore, Android provides more to choose from. It’s really not that complicated.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 3:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apparently the argument is complicated because it took you 3 replies just to create a clear thought out conclusion for your poor argument.
Learn to argue better, it makes you looks stupid when you fall back on fallacy’s like “Apple doesn’t offer choice”
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 5:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apparantly it took you three replies to understand what I am saying quite clearly. Apparantly, you aren’t able to argue in a civilized manner andyou have to resort to calling people stupid when they don’t agree with your point of view. That doesn’t only make YOU look stupid, it also makes you pathetic and below my level. Goodbye.
Posted on Jan 15, 2012 | 3:41 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No I understand perfectly. Your a online poster who’s never taken any instruction in debate, philosophy or even put any thought about the things you type.
You refuse to realize your lack of skill in arguments and in return you find retorts as an attack on you. That makes you look stupid.
Are you actually stupid? I don’t know, nor do I care. Your lack of logical treatment in your arguments though make you appear so.
Logic doesn’t drive you, pure sensational posting does. You believe that the things you say are just supposed to make sense because it makes sense to you. That isn’t the case and it allows for people like me to point out obvious flaws in your argument.
Posted on Jan 15, 2012 | 4:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
yeah I want an iphone with a 4.3 inch screen im going to go bu…….wait I cant because i only can choose one size and basically two phones (beacause anyone that wants an iphone should at least get the ip4) So yes android does give choice…Your trying to over think something that is fairly easy. just stop
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 1:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Logical fallacy.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 3:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is like looking for a 21in monitor and then complaining that it’s a 21in monitor.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:42 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
No. Being able to rapidly develop and deploy new ideas.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 11:20 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Cheap, but better? Cheap and hence better? Cheap, Value for Money?
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 3:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
even iOS has fragmentation. Some App run on all iPads, some only on iPad 2. Only 4s has Siri although it would run pretty fine on other too. Fragmentation on Android isn’t a much bigger problem than on other OS. It’s just about the developer and how good they do their job. There are many who do a pretty good job, and many who fail.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 6:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Loads of apps have that issue, yes.
Camera apps and two games, that is.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 6:36 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
siri is still in beta. There are mentions of iPads getting it in 5.1 so why don’t we see before saying.
If you think fragmentations is the same on iOS, your a funny funny guy!
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 3:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Still not as bad as a Windows HDD
/Troll
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 5:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
When did Google ever say that?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 6:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
At&t galaxy nexus pleaseeee
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
i hope
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s not “special”.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 5:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I want you to change your username lol.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 5:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
His taste in shirt is reflective of his taste in Android OS design.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:37 PM EST reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
so, awesome?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:57 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
lol I have to admit that is an ugly shirt.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 5:58 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
At least he’s got humour about his taste in shirts:
That’s a pic from the website he came to annouce: http://developer.android.com/design/patterns/app-structure.html
;-)
Posted on Jan 16, 2012 | 12:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, it’s probably more expensive than what you’re wearing.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What is he your boyfriend?
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 9:24 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Sounds like you’re looking for one.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 5:12 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
seriously?
/picard moment.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 9:59 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
AWESOME
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Maybe it’ll be the Nexus tablet!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
no
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Excited!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
<3
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m excited!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Ohhh…I’m a bit giddy!!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
ICS on Nexus s i9020a !!!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
When is the official ICS coming out for the i9020a? I’m currently using NexusBeam 4.1.0 because I was impatient, but I would really like to have the vanilla ROM on. Any news would be appreciated. :-)
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 11:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Android on MARS!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
or Toasters and Microwaves?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:51 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
everywhere. that’s the point. everywhere. even Nasa ae using it on the ISS.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes! I’m so stoked for yet another Matias Interview. I absolutely love this guy and his work. Can’t wait to hear what the announcement will be. Hopefully an update for the Galaxy Nexus?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:58 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Matias seems genuinely a “good and honest” guy. I wish I could comment his work on ICS, but my Desire has no stable port yet!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not true, there are very good ports in the xda forums, for example sandvold’s port. check it out, youll be surprised.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 12:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Boo, blocked by our IT department :(
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I have the same problem, damn IT
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why is Josh giving us the FU gesture?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:58 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
He’s drunk and high
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Galaxy Nexus on T-Mo.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
All Verge readers get a free Galaxy Nexus!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:58 PM EST reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
This guy for mayor.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:23 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
This guy for the ‘assistant to the mayor’
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 11:46 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
not sure what this could be what I do is that it will be awesome .
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I really don’t like this guy for some reason. The whole white suit made him look like a prick.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:59 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Who do you think you are? Elvis?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He’s cool therefore he stands out.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:47 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’ve never met the guy and you are saying he is prick for wearing what he wants? Are you certain you know the definition of the word prick?
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 11:29 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I didn’t say i thought for sure he was a prick I said he looks like one. And in the sense of prick I meant someone who is rich and thinks he is better than everyone because he a sense of “style”. Kind of like when you drive down the road and someone in really nice car revs his engine and thinks he’s cool because he’s rich. But that’s just my opinion.
Posted on Jan 19, 2012 | 12:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
WebOS skin for Android?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
ICS for the Nexus S 4G????
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Awesome…gogogo =)
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“We fixed the lag in Android!!”
“Yes, again. I’m serious. We did it, I swear. Stop laughing.”
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
A new protocol droid announcement? Perhaps I underestimated this planet…
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
I hope it comes out in six months! Everything good in Android is just half a year away!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Lots of scared/jilted/dispirited fanboys on this site knocking Android for no reason. It’s cute.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Matias Duarte: “I just wrote my own burning platform memo; we are going to be building Windows Phone Devices!”
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Windows Phone has had design guidelines since day 1
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202915(v=VS.92).aspx
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:01 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Troll !
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:43 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Where are the Windows Mobile design guidelines?
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:49 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Exactly. That’s why Windows Mobile was hideous, and why Android thus far (until now) has been hideous.
Why wasn’t this released earlier? How can Google release an OS without specific design guidelines for developers; it’s clearly sprung from their lack of interest in creating a good user experience.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 7:47 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Plain and simple, Google’s goal was to make money with advertising. Android is just a huge data mining operation. Every added app that Google develops is another way to get different information from the user. I’m ok with this because it allows some great things to be developed without financial risk and has moved the industry forward at a much faster pace. Unfortunately, this also means that their focus is on function and not the UI.
The way I see this is that it is a direct move to counter their competition. Both iOS and WP7 are much better designed than Android. With those platforms nearing competition on features, Google doesn’t want UI to be the thing that tips the scales in another companies favor. Just like Apple and Microsoft are reacting to Google’s added features, Google had to react to their user experience…and we all benefit!
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 8:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And every WP7 device with Bing is just another way for Microsoft to mine d customer data and make money from advertising.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 5:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Windows Phone 7 was created to sell software licenses, not to attain mass user proliferation for services by providing a product to OEMs for free.
Posted on Jan 16, 2012 | 2:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He will officially announce Android 5.0’s name – MY GUESS
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Please let it be the next version of Android is called Jungle Juice…. Come on Matias you know it makes sense!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Matias will announce his plans to avoid fragmentation of Paul, Nilay and Josh. Joanna will probably be able to swipe through them from a netbook or android tablet…
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Style Guide for ICS is out. Stop the presses!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:01 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The Style Guide for ICS
is outthat will be immediately ignored by all manufactures is out.Fixed it for ya!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:20 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
You clearly have no idea what a style guide is,
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, I have a pretty good idea what a style guide is and why it is what it is used. My point is that manufactures are under no hard and fast rules to follow a guide. Past experience has shown that they do not with Android, so I see no good reason for manufactures to begin following a guide now.
Microsoft has requirements that must be followed in order to get a license to build and distribute phones. The rules are the guidelines and vice versa.
Google is only making the recommendations optional.
And for the record, a) I develop Windows Phone apps, so I understand and know how to follow a style guide and, b) I think Matias is a douche.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 6:41 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Yeah… Right. Developing WP7 apps makes you a designer at the same level as Matias… And if you actually had the interest in Android at all, you would know that manufacturers augment, not rewrite, the UI components. Basic elements are all there as is.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 9:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Past experience has shown that they do not with Android, so I see no good reason for manufactures to begin following a guide now.”
Maybe ‘cos there wasn’t one before. Fool.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
First off this isnt for manufacturers and this is for developers
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 2:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The reason why manufacturers didn’t follow Android’s styling before was because it was crap. Things rarely had their logical place and some UI features were missing. If I were them, I wouldn’t have followed it either. ICS brings a lot of improvements to the UI, but still has a long way to go. I think the real problem here is that Duarte wasn’t brought on years ago, so he just has to tweak an already flawed system or risk alienating the users.
Btw, I am not a fan of OEM skins because they always have issues, just saying why they had incentive to do it.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 8:43 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Forget about style guide – he has no idea what a style is.
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:51 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
styles for ICS interesting
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Haha, a style guide? Really?
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Android is Open
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 5:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HTML is open. I demand a HTML style guide!
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 8:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Dude, seriously? Seriously?
Posted on Jan 13, 2012 | 4:51 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, this just makes Josh and company look silly.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:02 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
he wears horrific shirts. all the time.
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:02 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
“The problem with ________ is they just have no taste….”
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 5:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Shorter Android team: “We had no idea how to set a style guide, but now we TOTALLY GOT THIS”
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:02 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Disappoint.
/s
Posted on Jan 12, 2012 | 4:02 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions