When it comes to apps and games the Ipod wins, but Music, Definitely the Zune HD is my choice. Would'nt trade it for a Ipod Touch. Music = Zune HD!! People say the Ipod Touch is a Great music player, but what is great about it, when the zune has artist backgrounds, automatic album covers, let's you see what's playing next or the whole list. Only disadvantage is lack of apps, and speakers, otherwise i would'nt even turn to an ipod. Like i said Ipod is great for apps and games, but the zune knows music! :)