Apple just announced its Q1 2012 results, and the company booked a $13.06 billion profit on $46.33 billion in revenue, marking the biggest quarter in company history — well over 50 percent larger than its previous record in Q3 2011. Apple sold a remarkable 37.04 million iPhones, 15.43 million iPads and 5.3 million Macs during the quarter, which represent increases of 128 percent, 111 percent, and 26 percent from last year. That's two million more smartphones sold than Samsung shipped last quarter, which is astonishing.
iPod sales were down 21 percent to 15.4 million, continuing their slow decline: Apple says the iPod touch counted for over half of all iPods sold (over 10 million iPod touch units, if you do the math) and that the iPod is still the top MP3 player around the world despite the lower sales. You'll note iPad is now eclipsing iPod almost perfectly now. Apple also says it sold 1.4 million Apple TVs.
On the software front, iTunes was responsible for $1.2 billion in revenue this quarter, and there are now 20 million songs in the store, and Apple says $120 million worth of downloads were sold on December 25th last year. Apple says by the end of this month, iOS developers will have earned over $4 billion in total from their work. Also, the new iBooks Author generated 600,000 downloads since last week's release, and iCloud has 85 million users now.
Apple Stores saw 110 million visitors this quarter and generated average revenue of $17.1 million per store. The company now claims it has $97.6 billion in cash, and is "not letting it burn a hole in our pockets." CFO Peter Oppenheimer says Apple is having "active" discussions about spending it, though. Apparently, the hard drive shortages resulting from the Thailand flood disaster haven't materially affected the company yet, though Tim Cook admits he's paying more for drives, and there may be an impact next quarter.
International sales accounted for 58 percent of the quarter's results. It's an absolute monster of a quarter, even considering the holiday bump and an additional 14th week of sales — handily beating analyst estimates and offering a sharp rebuttal to earnings that missed estimates last quarter.
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Wow. I’m Speechless. not even the rosiest amateur analysts predicted these numbers.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:37 PM EST reply Recommend (48) Flag actions
A few independents came close, around the $44-$45b mark.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/01/23/our-apple-whisper-numbers-2/
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:44 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Good thing the independents didn’t rely on digitimes:
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-09/tech/30376683_1_iphone-shortages-apple
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:26 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:53 PM EST reply Recommend (39) Flag actions
I can’t stop watching
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:31 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Me too !
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hilarious and addictive
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The numbers are blowing my mind!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:09 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
AAPL is now up 8.8%.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:53 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Ended the day down -1.63%
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I believe he’s talking about after-hours trading. Last I heard it was up 10%.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:11 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
I am, it’s currently up 7.25%
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:12 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
This just shows how much power the carriers have. Give the buyer a choice fuckers.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:02 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Huh? Apple sold about 40 million iPhones,… and you’re point is .. what? we don’t ENOUGH bloody Android phone versions out there? You still can’t find any good phones?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
You mean the choice of hundreds of devices on multiple carriers running 3 or 4 major OSes?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Not sure what you mean by this.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:49 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I think you are confused. All of the carriers that have the Iphone have quite a few choices of phones. Maybe you should go to your local shop and look around a little bit, okay?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
hang on hang on…I think what he is saying is that giving iPhone buyers a choice of carriers is what has caused this growth in sales…and I think he is right…AT&T exclusivity was hurting iPhone sales.
Although I would love to see a break up of which carrier sold how many
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 6:19 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
It’s being sold in 90 countries. AT&T isn’t in 89 of those.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 7:35 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
That is what I was saying.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:17 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So now the United States is the only market?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 9:06 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Ok, calm down. I can’t understand why people aren’t understanding the simple comments made on this page. He’s saying, by offering the iPhone on MORE carriers, it has performed better.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:43 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
These numbers are completely stupid. iPhone 4s is a huge disappointment because the screen is too small. Who the heck would buy it? People are so stupid; they should buy Android because it’s more open and the phones have bigger screens. That’s all that matters: open and bigger screens. What is wrong with people???
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:08 PM EST reply Recommend (79) Flag actions
Wait so is vergeuser2011 meant to be a parody account that mocks the average user on The Verge? Because I’m liking it :D
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:11 PM EST reply Recommend (24) Flag actions
The average consumer doesn’t know what open means (even most Android fans don’t know what it means), and not everyone wants bigger screens. I’m an Android fan (proud owner of the GSM Galaxy Nexus since day 1) as well, but there’s no denying people love the iPhone/iDevices.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Even Google doesn’t know what open means, otherwise they wouldn’t keep calling Android open.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:41 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (28) Flag actions
I wouldn’t go that far… Android IS open source. People just don’t know what open source means. The fact that you have so many different implementations of Android out there is proof that it is open source (Look at the Amazon Kindle Fire).
I think most people use the term “open” to mean you have absolute freedom to do what you want. With Android, it is not 100% open, but it is pretty close..
Just curious: What do YOU think open is?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:45 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Android is the closest thing to a PC on a phone (that I have used anyway). The ability to side-load apps, download any files to your phone, download different browsers, change the stock keyboard is unrivaled.
Android gives you more levels of customization than any other OS. Some may argue that the stock browser, and keyboards should be perfect for any user, I think everyone has different preferences. Some like to Swype, some like to type and some like to use voice actions for everything.
While Android provides these freedoms, it is not what defines Android as “Open”.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:50 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Bad news, Nightfall1983: PC sales in the US have topped out; more people are buying smartphones to do what they used to on a PC and people are switching to tablets as fast as Apple and Amazon can build ’em.
I.e., Android is the closest thing to last decade’s big product. Better check out the address of the Computer Museum in San Jose so you know where to ship ’em.
Even with the fabulous ability to put a Dvorak keyboard on the things, or Swype because the original Android keyboard, by Rubin’s acknowledgement, was sucko. Yeah, can you imagine that more people don’t get excited about buying a phone and first thing, replacing the keyboard?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:38 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Um… ok… Dude relax. I was just giving my personal opinion. I wasn’t being a being a fan boy, or attacking an OS. I was trying to differentiate between the freedoms that Android provides and the term “open.”
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 11:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wonder if anyone posting here actually doesn’t have a computer in their home. Even the people who always proclaim the death of the pc is posting from a pc.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not if you’re a real GNU true believer it isn’t.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:54 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
How is Android not opensource!?!
Sounds like a cult :)
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:03 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Basically, yes.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 11:01 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
GNU licenses aren’t they only open source licenses. Open source is open source. I like GNU, but shooting down any piece of software that isn’t licensed completely under a GNU license or follows their ideals is rather ignorant. You can still take the source of Android and use it how you see fit. That is open source.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You cannot commit changes to the Android source code unless you work at Google. To me, that is really not open source.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:51 AM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
wow, @araius took that one on the chin.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You beat me to it. If it is Open Source, then Joe Blow can MODIFY and FREELY redistribute variations of Android to whomever he/she pleases.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 10:12 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m going to have to check with my wife on this one. She works in a nursing home and has been around a lot of open sores.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:01 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I could get the open source for the kernel for my phone but not the UI. That’s not exactly open but it is as open as Apple’s Mac OS X is.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 7:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
However, Apple doesn’t claim their OS is open.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:48 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
ofc they do know, it’s just that pretending Android is open is good for marketing.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:50 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
http://source.android.com/
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:13 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh snap… I totally missed your sarcasm… I think I’m supposed to hate you now!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:15 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Not sure if joking or not…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A skilled inverse troll. 8/10 from me.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:42 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Incomplete. BIGGER screens matter for the iPhone, but SMALLER screens matter for the iPad! There needs to be a device exactly in the middle that’s a poor compromise of both.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:38 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
you mean like the galaxy note that is too small to watch a movie on but to big to fit in your pocket… the perfect size
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:25 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
7 inch Android tablets. There’s a few of them. Google it. Or ask Siri to Google it, whatever.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:42 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
We need something around 8.1111111111 inches to be extremely useful and reasonably portable.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 7:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I can’t believe Samsung sells a 7" tab and a 10.1" tab and an 8.9" tab, but is gonna leave the market for 8.5" tabs and 9.5" tabs wide open for some savvy competitor!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 9:34 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
idk my a100 collects dust these days, but more because my touchpad got a crippled version of ics.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It was such an angry disappointment that Apple caused an angry mob/riot when they wouldn’t sell it in Beijing. :P
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:54 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:29 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
I saw these numbers and thought mostly the same thing. I don’t understand. I understand the jump to the iPhone 4, but not the iPhone 4s. Maybe Steve Jobs passing had something to do with it. I just don’t understand why anyone would buy that phone today. I am selling my iPhone 4 for the amount that I paid for it because the demand for it is still high. I DONT UNDERSTAND.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
People jumping to the 4S are mostly not jumping from the iPhone-4. They’re coming from other platforms or older iPhones. For those users it’s a great device.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:55 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
I jumped to the 4S from the 4, because it was a small change over in price, better camera, and finally 64GB, 32 GB is too limiting when a lot of high end games are 2GB+ now. Here in Australia, we’re they phones are available unlocked, I got my my iPhone 4 FREE on a two year contract. I’m half way through that contract. I sold the phone for $600, my new one did cost me $999, so it’s $400 to stay current, except that next year I’ll sell the 4S for about $600 again, and go on a new two year contract with free phone. I’ve done this for a few years now, doesn’t really cost more to upgrade annually this way. If I owned the phone outright, I’d wouldn’t be paying less per month for the service so what’s the point. A 1 yo iPhone is worth more than a 2 yo one.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Sorry, I do agree with your point though, ost people would not be doing what I’m doing and would only upgrade when their contract is up.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Because SD cards and non Market apps and ‘openness’ and file manager and roms and skins and large screens and keyboards and Flash and 4G and other specs mean less to iPhone owners and future iPhone buyers than speed and smoothness and ease of use and first tier apps and one handed usability and build quality and great battery life and security and reliable updating and great customer support.
I sold my 32gb iPhone 4 for the same price I got for it too. It’s what it was worth. And the owner will not have to jailbreak it to get official updates that will make it even better… :)
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:38 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
It’s the combination of the ecosystem and the device.
It’s really that simple.
The iPhone 4S has the right features and the app store has the right selection of quality applications.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:26 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Hold that thought and keep it close in case you’re tempted to post here again in the future.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:03 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Yes, of course – 37 million people bought an iPhone because Steve Jobs died. Are you serious?
The answer, by the way, is Siri.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:44 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I am not saying it is the main reason but a contributing one. I just don’t understand peoples thought process. I really don’t think the Apple ecosystem is that great (I am currently using almost all three) and I don’t think Apple’s philosophy, that everyone talks about is so great, is that great. Siri is a gimmick and has been in other products just not executed as well. All the foxconn controversy and their ridiculous pricing has turned me away.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
One day you’ll realize that your probably in the vast minority in terms of what people want. Saying you can’t tell the difference in the eco system is a joke. Download any cross platform app to see, or just the popular ones, like Facebook and twitter, which still look like smartphone apps on a ICS tablet (i know i own one:D)
After that try plex (a example of something that’s not toooo bad) or iCam (terrible on android, a joke)
I have evi, and a few other siri alternatives, and of course none are nearly baked into the OS as much, nor do they have any sort of context, which is the beauty of siri.
Lemme know when evi support geo fencing (notifications based on location)
please give me a list of your gadgets, which are probably also made in china. Foxconn makes something like 40% of the worlds gizmo’s.
Your one thing, a hater. We get it.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:45 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Way to proofread. I said I don’t think Apples ecosystem is that great. I didn’t say that I couldn’t tell a difference, I can see that Apple is in second as far as an ecosystem goes. Skydrive, mixed with mesh, mixed with messenger, mixed with hotmail is the greatest ecosystem I have been apart of. I have 3 PC’s under mesh that have important files updated on all 3 devices when one is changed. I then have 25gb of free storage on skydrive and I keep all my other files on there. I have a hackintosh and I don’t believe that iCloud is even a competitor with these services. I can sync my google calender with my live calendar (something you can’t do with iClouds calendar). I had an iPhone and I have a hackintosh, and while there is a good foundation for a great ecosystem, I don’t think it is that great. I like Apple’s products. I don’t hate Apple. I just don’t see how they are better than the competition or why I would pay more for the same specs.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You should be a comedian.
WP7’s app support alone makes it dead last in the ecosystem race. Skydrive is nice, but it’s not anywhere near the end all be all. Plex isn’t even out yet for the platform (still in beta)
On my iPad i have 55gb of free online storage, if you want to take out your epeen and compare it to mine.
there is no need to sync the two calendars, (although you could) its just an extra free non google option to use. All your mac’s and iOS devices will work with gcalendars out of the box.
that’s even not mentioning the ton of stuff you still can’t do on WP7 devices, until 3rd party dev’s come in an fill gaps.
maybe you just browse and do email on your devices, i use them a lot more. (mostly IP cam with PTZ control, streaming HD from my apartment and using my iOS devices as mobile VCRs, and lots of VNC/RDP over VPN.)
Occasionally time warner cable’s live TV app (which functions as a remote control for the cable box, as well as letting us watch from anywhere at home is really nice too. Thank god my eco system allows me to do all this!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Are you counting box and dropbox?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If so my overall online storage is at about 135gb. I can see how one could see these as problems in WP7 and they have been argued over the past year, but WP7 is growing faster than Android and iOS did in their first year. To think that devs would just ignore the WP7 customer base is the comedic part. I can see your points though and they are very valid. I was speaking more about the basic customer experience and I can see how Apple’s app support really helps you.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i was, but ironically i forgot to add iclouds 5gb.
technically i have my own domain with more than a decent connection attached to a mini that has a 4tb thunderbolt raid on it.
So if you count webdav, i have 4tb, but this is getting silly.
Regardless you are totally correct that WP7 will attract more app developers with time, i was mostly speaking about today.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:46 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That is understandable and I will have to agree that if we are including apps in with the ecosystem, Apple rules them all. At this point in time I guess I can see why Apple is so popular and selling so many phones. It has been out the longest though which is what is carrying it. I don’t think android quite gets it and will be in third place in a year or 2. I think its going to be a 2 horse race with Apple and Microsoft. Either way most provide a great user experience and it all comes down to preferenece.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There is absolutely no hard evidence that WP7 grew faster than iOS in its first year, because MSFT haven’t released any WP7 numbers.
The closest that we have for hard evidence is the Nielsen survey. That would indicate that at the end of Q4 2011, WP7 has 1.3% of US smartphone subscribers. Or around 1.21 million users in the US. That’s 14 months post release.
The first Android device was in september 08, putting 14 months at november 09. We have november 09 numbers for Android from Comscore – they come out at 1.4milion.
US numbers for iPhone in the first 14 months are harder to find because there weren’t published surveys back in August 2008. The iPhone was however an AT&T exclusive until November 07 and had sold over 1million units into the US market by September 07, a mere 90 days after launch. Unless you believe it only sold 200k units in the US in the next 11 months that put it way ahead of WP7.
TL/DR – the claims that WP7 has outsold Android in the first year are unfounded. the claims that it outsold the iPhone are ludicrous.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wasn’t talking about their market share I was talking about the app market. Everyone knows that sales do not indicate something being better. We were discussing apps in this conversation as well as the overall ecosystem.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A person considering buying a WP7 phone today doesn’t care if it has more apps than iOS did in 2009. They’re concerned with what iOS has right now.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Either way your statement was irrelevant and off topic from our argument. I don’t know why you see a point in entering other peoples debates, but I will humor you. What I was saying was that devs are coming to the WP7 platform and will create the same apps that iOS and Android have. I believe the overall Microsoft experience to be better for me, and think the end of this year will be big for them. If you would then read what I closed with, its all preference anyway. I am glad that you wanted to contribute but you seemed to miss my point.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 6:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
most people aren’t geeks, they don’t care about “open” they just want to rip the box open and start playing angry birds. easy to use and they can go down to their apple store if they have a problem. Plus I disagree about the bigger screens, I think it’s gotten out of hand, the screens have gotten waaay too big.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I was sick of my Android-based phone making things difficult (especially after the Gingerbread update), so I bought an iPhone 4S. I could have bought the iPhone 4 but I didn’t want the antenna problems and low storage and reduced graphics throughput compared to the 3G S.
The fact is that no one outside of Apple knows what the next phone will be, so maybe you won’t like the next phone and you’ll hold onto your iPhone 4 longer.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 7:44 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I really don’t like android either. I find it very buggy and the experience is different from handset to handset. I got rather bored with just customizing the appearance and found that is was basically the same only with more customization but also more bugs.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:18 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple now has free and cheap iPhones, that’s where the killer sales are coming from. Not from 4S.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 9:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yet the 4S outsold the 4 the previous year, and outsold the 3GS and 4 that were being sold simultaneously. I’d say the killer sales came from all three.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 9:36 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Can you provide a link? I don’t see any reference to the breakdown of sales by model. Would just seem counter intuitive that cheaper prices wouldn’t be a driving factor as more people could now afford one.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My point is instead of the 3GS and 4 sales flat-lining without discounting that allowed them to keep selling, so even if individually they didn’t beat the 4S I bet combined instead of being a small percent of sales without discounting, they add up together to the majority of iPhones sales for the quarter, even though individually they didn’t beat the 4S.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
We know it for several reasons.
1) the Average Selling Price rose, from $648 to $659
2) NPD surveys show the 4S above the 3GS on AT&T
3) Apple themselves imply it when in the transcript they said
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:01 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
No. the iPhone 4S is the bigger seller out of the three models.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:13 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Can you provide a link? I don’t see any reference to the breakdown of sales by model. Would just seem counter intuitive that cheaper prices wouldn’t be a driving factor as more people could now afford one.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
iPhone 4S remains best-seller at top three carriers in December
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
the iPhones accounted for around 55% of the last Quarter for Verizon.
that’s insane.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
where are cheap free iphones?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You might want to get your facts right: http://t.co/NonF0EqI (9 out of 10 iPhone buyers buy the 4S).
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
To be fair, a lack of text reflow makes browsing on the iPhone 4S a massive eyestrain.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:24 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Run! It’s one of the text reflow trolls!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:26 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
He’s right, though.
I use my iPhone 4 on a daily basis and have been for quite some time now and I love iOS and my iPhone to death, but he’s right. Reading text in iOS can be a hassle without text reflow. There’s no way you can say you’ve ever been annoyed when you’re reading an article and you have to scroll side to side just to read it.
As great as iOS is, it has its faults, and this is one of them. Just an honest, non-bias view.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
However there is Reader. It strips the formatting on a Safari page and just shows the text. It usually works very well.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But it doesn’t work with forums or comments, like these comments here. It’s not a proper solution. Heck reader sometimes doesn’t even work with theverge at all.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It actually does have automatic reformatting, but maybe it isn’t enough. Try site dsl.sk on your iPhone, PC and Samsung Galaxy S2. On Samsung, despite it’s bigger screen, it’s impossible to read without zooming and when you zoom in, you have to scroll sideways, on iPhone, there is bigger font used and entire text is narrow, so you can zoom and read without scrolling sideways. Sorry for bad English :-)
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:29 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Honestly I’ve never felt this to be a problem, I’d much rather zoom and pan than have the web page formatting changed by text reflow. In fact a big part of why the iPhone was such a huge step forward was it could access sites like the NYT and read them in a natural way.
If the page has columns that are way too wide just read them in landscape.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:57 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
then download one of the 5 free browsers that supports this?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m not trying to “troll”. It’s a legitimate issue. I hate Android for lagging, draining battery (even on standby), being an iOS ripoff, and having a UI thread that is at the same priority as apps. Android pushed out all legit competitors- like webOS and MeeGo- just for being free. But at the same time Android is the only mobile OS with text reflow. I just can’t move to WP7 or iOS until they get text reflow in the browser.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s a valid concern but I believe many 3rd party browsers on iOS has text reflow but I don’t think any of them does it as well as the Android browser.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Android didn’t force out MeeGo or WebOS. They both went the way of the dodo because of th ineptitude of their leadership. Don’t forget that almost all major manufacturers actually pay a licensing fee to Microsoft for Android.
I’ll never understand why people begrudge competition in the market place.
On the topic of these record numbers I would be thrilled if I were an owner of their stock but I’d be irked if I had actually shelled out money for their products. I know It’s not really rational thinking but it’s the same gut-wrenching feeling I get when I see Exxon-Mobil’s numbers.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 11:14 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
I could have sworn the debate on this was put to rest last month.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:58 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Don’t even get me started on the shade of white used for the icon labels.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Verge is now Engadget.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:59 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
p-lease.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 6:08 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He’s right.. this place has turned into troll city like engadget was about this time last year before josh and the gang left
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If people cared about open Linux on desktop would be enormous.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:01 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
When they say “open,” they don’t mean open source as much as having many phone makers out there with different specs. Being open source helps the community but XDA started with Windows Mobile which was close source so that’s not always the required thing.
In short, most of Android supporters don’t care about the open source ideal or being truly open. They care mostly about having the latest hardware with highest specs. Carriers love it because they can fill the shelf space and address all the market segments.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And manufacturers love Android because it’s free and they can junk it up with crappy skins and bloatware.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:49 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Yes being able to control the platform with some “differentiation” is very certainly a plus for the carriers and phone makers. This is where Windows Phone 7 struggles.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
people don’t use Linux because they are misinformed about / scared of it (not mutually exclusive) or they put a premium on gaming.
it has come a long way over the past 5 years. The way I see it is if I can get my Fiancée to use it on her main PC then there is no reason that anyone else can’t figure it out. ( sorry for the 2x – )
If you want “just works” then use Mint, SuSe, or Ubuntu …
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 11:25 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
The reason people don’t use linux on desktop is because if you want a desktop unix that just works you get OS-X. Linux was more reliable in the 90s, but distros now are too bloated and unreliable.
You can get your Fiancee to use it on her PC because she has you to manage it for her, people who don’t have a willing home sysadmin won’t.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:03 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
not to mention first party app support.
having your photoshops and ms words on your platform is a big big boon.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:51 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
people don’t use linux because unless you’re a geek it’s useless. People have been claiming linux is going primetime for 15 years.. at least that’s when I first proclaimed linux is ready for pritmetime.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s not useless, it’s just far too much work for the benefits for most people. Ironically 15 years ago Linux was readier for prime time than it is now.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not only are people so stupid, there are hundreds of millions of them, and only a few of the pricier Android devices even go beyond 800*600, some of ’em using that fuzzy PenTile junk.
The WHOLE FRIGGIN WORLD (except vergeuser2011 and me!) are crazy!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
the androids worth buying are same price as the iphone. and not everyone wants a ginormous screen.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HAHA! Bang!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m just about to upgrade my phone, and I’ve had a lot of people tell me the same thing you have, including the workers in the carrier stores. I was getting excited about an Android phone (which I have), but now I’m leaning back to the iPhone 4S. Because, it’s a simple and great phone. I’d rather spend time playing games and using apps than customizing the phone that houses the apps. Plus Siri is really nice (it’s better than Android Siri’s). It feels solid, not plasticky. Some people tell me that WP7 is the best by far. But when I tried it it felt like more of the same with squares instead of icons. Some people called the Galaxy Nexus a super phone, but when I tried that it felt like another smart phone, not a super phone. Sometimes these people go crazy talking up these phones, and when I actually try one I’m expecting a multi-media driven party phone! Really there’s not that much difference between WP7, iOS, and Android. They all have a phone, they text message, they take pictures, they a browser. That’s what we’ll be using 90% of the time. Most of the important apps are available on all the phones. I’m leaning towards the iPhone because it runs at a pretty consistent 60fps, which feels solid once again, and Siri. Plus iCloud is cool. Makes it easy to setup a Find my iPhone and backups.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:02 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
My contract is up next month also, I’m leaning towards a Galaxy SII but I haven’t counted out the iPhone. I really don’t watch movies on my phone and the galaxy is so damn big. Plus I’m always confused about who gets the latest update and who doesn’t. Galaxy s ii is new but still hasn’t gotten the latest update.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:25 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
People complained the iPhone was too big when it came out. I’d like a slightly bigger iPhone, but only if I get the same or better battery life, LED backlit LCD (not LED, led screens look terrible IMO)
Open matters to me in relation to the Internet. HUGELY. But on a mobile phone/ tablet I’d rather have the best software, than the most open software. But if you just use free apps and gmail, web browsing etc then Android is an excellent option for people and I’m glad it’s there and hope many people keep buying Android phones so Apple doesn’t get too dominant. Competition is good.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s truly an impressive feat. I honestly couldn’t imagine that Apple would ever make this kind of money. At this rate, they could keep beating their current records with ease for at least 2 more quarters, if not more.
Who knows, if the Iphone 5 looks good enough, I may actually switch from Android and be part of those numbers :)
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:18 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
They just surpassed exxonmobile as the most valuable publicly traded company in the world. Read it on money dot com
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That makes it 93.1 million iPhones sold in 2011.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:57 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
More than they sold in 2007, 08, 09, and ’10…combined.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:59 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
and que violin for Android/Windows users…oh don’t for get WebOS (waaah waaah)
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s a shame Steve Jobs isn’t here to see this. It’s good that while he was alive Apple temporarily eclipsed Exxon as the largest public company on earth. Now it’s there to stay.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:22 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
More money than God’s accountant.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:38 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Does god’s accountant have more money than the US government?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not to make it political.. but we owe more money than has ever existed on the planet. So, it wouldn’t be a terrible thing to be “God’s accountant” : )
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:20 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Not to make it religious, but I think God hates money.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:25 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Haha love it : )
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
We owe it mostly to ourselves though (domestic debt). It’s not real money.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 10:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Holy crap, that’s significantly more than anyone predicted.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
37M+ m’f’kin iPhones. 15M+ G’dmn iPads. Holy mother of money.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:38 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
It’ll be interesting to see if the 4s becomes the fastest selling electronics device of all time.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:59 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Jesus Christ.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Jesus polevaulting Christ
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:43 PM EST reply Recommend (18) Flag actions
And the guidance for this current quarter blew past expectations. And mind you, this is Apple’s typical conservative guidance. iPhones sales in China are going nuts!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
It beat all the analysts as well though I believe, by quite some margin.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:40 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Apple is going down the drain! They are doomed! Everyone is out-innovating them. Before long they will die!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend (26) Flag actions
Cool story bro.
I don’t like Apple sometimes, but even I will admit they are amazingly good at making a lot of money very very quickly.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:42 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I believe he was using sarcasm.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:48 PM EST reply Recommend (31) Flag actions
Look below.
That said (^) my comment is still largely relevant.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Goodness! Where has the english language gone.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s very difficult to tell sarcasm over the internet. Or at least I find it difficult, as there’s no tone of voice or anything involved.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It was pretty clear to at least 3 of us.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:22 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Yes yes :D
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s ok. I fail to detect sarcasm sometimes too.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Jesus… lay it on thick will ya?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t think you meant to reply to me.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 11:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s alright…
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Even more, I will admit that they are genius at coming up with things, and building them right, and supporting them in a way that people ENJOY buying & using them!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:43 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Where are the people who keep spouting that Apple are failing? Look at all that money. Look at it!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:40 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’m scared that if I look at that much money i’ll go blind.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:41 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Thou shall not lay eyes on Apple’s balance sheet!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Where are they? They are over at Engadget spouting off about iSheep and the usual drivel.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:01 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Wow, just wow. So everyone was waiting for the 4S then?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
People who own Droids & early adopters of the Incredible & Evo just had their contracts expire right as the 4S debuted. Add up 2 and 2….
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:25 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
4! Is it 4? What do i win?!?!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:38 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
No. It’s 4S.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Like me
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Pretty confident Apple planned for this. It’s a blow to Android. The Droids were the start of Android matching iPhones.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:13 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
37 million iPhone.
15m iPads
13 billion profit
WHAT
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
^^You forgot to mention: 5.3 million Macs, 1.4 million Apple TVs, $1.2 billion in iTunes revenue, and other software in addition…
Very impressive, but not entirely a surprise, given the current CEO’s initial role at Apple…I look forward to seeing their upcoming Mac overhauls.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:20 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I wish could make something as “disappointing” as the 4S!!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:40 PM EST reply Recommend (29) Flag actions
The 4S was just so, so disappointing…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:40 PM EST reply Recommend (25) Flag actions
Yeah, think they could’ve sold 100 million if they’d just renamed it the iPhone 5 and put tail fins on it?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:44 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Did anyone seriously think the iPhone was going to be an actual failure?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It WAS disappointing. The whole tech industry was expecting a complete redesign, an all we got is an incremental update. But as disappointing as it was, it was also the 2011 iPhone, which means that it never really mattered what features or design might have had, it was going to sell in massive numbers anyway. I bet they could just slap an “S” in the back of an iPhone 4 and sales numbers would’ve been about the same.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
See, the 4S is different in everyway aside form screen and design. Internals are completely different, if it had a redesign it’d be welcomed differently. But some foolish journalists that think they can just spout all the random crap they want with no evidence and the reason for the disappointment.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:15 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I bet they could release the iPhone X with 300 hours of battery life, a 3000 × 2000 screen, and teleportation capabilities and people like you would still whine and complain about it. That’s at least as accurate as your “slap an S on it” analysis.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 10:13 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
It’s a lot, but I do wish tech sites would report in profit not revenue. Revenue is largely meaningless.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:41 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Oh ok. Just $13 BILLION in profit.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:42 PM EST reply Recommend (40) Flag actions
That’s more than Google’s revenue for the quarter.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:50 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
It’s like how Android companies always report shipped numbers, not sold. Apple always reports how many sold.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:47 PM EST reply Recommend (31) Flag actions
The only time they tried to saw how many devices sold, Samsung’s CEO said Galaxy Tab sales were “quite small”….oh, I’m sorry, I mean “quite smooth.” As opposed to…rough sales?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:49 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
That’s cause Apple can monitor activations for their OWN os, while Android activations are monitored by Google
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:18 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Um, no, it’s because Android-tards must exaggerate.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:50 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
fragmentation seems more plausible but hey lets not the the facts or logic get in the way.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 11:42 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That would make sense if Apple were reporting activations, but they’re not – they’re reporting sales and inventory numbers.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:56 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Um, did you read the headline? They reported the profit…
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The headline was updated after I posted.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The problem is that the following Quarter will look soooo low compared to this.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:41 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah, but that’s why companies typically look year-over-year. End of the year quarter is almost always the biggest.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:43 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
Are you kidding me?! Next quarter will likely have a new iPad. That’s going to be huge.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:52 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
We’re almost a third of the way through the next quarter without an announcement and usually Apple do still announce products a couple weeks before availability. If anything this quarter will be like the one leading up to the 4S, a bit slow when people settle down to wait (although still a large portion don’t bother).
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:07 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
That’s true. IF rumours are to be believed and it releases in March, there will only be a month’s worth of sales. I guess Q3 2012 will be the big one.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
OMG they better come out with the new iPad, my director just cancelled our orders for ipad because he read ipad3 will be coming out soon. I miss my ipad from my previous job, all I have is this heavy ass xoom 1 someone gave me. which has been updated to 4.0 btw.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
….? pointless statement.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And to think, these numbers will be peas and carrots next to the numbers when the retina display iPad and next-gen iPhone are released later this year.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:41 PM EST reply Recommend (17) Flag actions
Jesus I can’t imagine the tremors around the earth. Apple might even release their new TV in that time period.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:30 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Retina iPad is coming. But no one knows if it’s going to be in the 3.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:16 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Hard to argue against an iPad 2S type upgrade when the iPhone 4S can pull off these sales figures in a MUCH more competitive product category.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Stock is down $7 as 4 PM, WTF. Fucking greedy hedge fund manipulative bastards.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Correct me if I’m wrong, but these earnings announcements are always made after stock trading is closed. The AAPL stock price drop isn’t because of the earnings. Wait for tomorrow morning to see the real effect.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
True, it’s up $1.70 in after-hours trading.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And up $33.75 just 6 minutes after you posted.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:55 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Yeah, crazy. I imagine it will settle a bit lower than that, but who knows.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That number was locked down during the announcement, expect it to go up significantly soon.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:49 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I didn’t know they could “lock down” a stock price?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:27 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sounds like these products are fairly priced, and that they aren’t exploiting the consumers at all.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:42 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
How does one “exploit” a consumer in a non-monopoly situation?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
They do it by being Evil! EEEEEEEVVVIiLLLLEEE!!!!!!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple will soon rule the Tri-State Area!!!! /evil laugh while Perry the Platypus crashes through Tim Cook’s wall.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I know eh? Even with 29,201 choices for phones, Apple manages to put guns to the heads of consumers and force them to buy theirs. If only we had more options, and the iPhone wasn’t the only phone in the world.
I love how Apple’s success is always spun as some crazy trick of consumer hypnosis- and not the logical fact that they make damn good products that are extremely useable, reliable, well designed, with the best support in the business. Also, you’d think if people felt ‘exploited’ after buying apple products, Apple wouldn’t be receiving the best consumer satisfaction scores on the planet. But hey, no need for rationality.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:38 PM EST reply Recommend (17) Flag actions
Totally. Meanwhile, Apple’s joker competitors try to ape their UI/Design/HW Design all day long. Gee I wonder why Apple can sell so much gear??? Must be some trick of hypnosis…
*looks at TouchWiz
*looks at HP Envy
*looks at new Galaxy Ace
*looks at Vizio laptops
pfft…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:34 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
What’s the matter, Apple, can’t make 50billion? That’s a FAIL in my book.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:42 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
canttellifkidding.jpg
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Now we know why there wasn’t an “iPhone 5” released a few months ago. They sold 37 million iphones that basically have looked like the ones they have been making the past two years. They probably couldn’t have physically made as many “new” iPhone 5. They will have their production in-line for next fall.
The iPad number (over 15 million) is even more impressive IMO.
With $100 bn in cash, Apple is here to stay
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:43 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I really want to see how many Apple TVs they sold. I had trouble finding a place with them in stock over the Christmas holidays.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:54 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
1.4 million Apple TVs sold this quarter. Still a hobby.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:38 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Wait and see.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Tim said that there will be some amazing new products this year.
I mean we can’t even deny it anymore, there will be a new kind of apple TV.
May flop, but let’s see.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Tim just said on the call they’ve did 1.4mil for Q4 2011.
Q2 2011 figures were 820k for the quarter and 2mil total.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
" They sold 37 million iphones that basically have looked like the ones they have been making the past two years"
Why does what it looks like matter?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think his point was that there was no need for a radical redesign when they could achieve such immense sales on a device using the iPhone-4 chassis.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:27 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Also, they could have only sold as many phones because they didn’t have to manufacture a new design. (the theory being that they’re only limited by supply)
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:28 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Right, though they’re going to have to go with a new chassis at some point, and the numbers that they’ll have to ship on launch just keep getting higher. The logistics of their operations are incredible – no other C-E firm deals with such huge numbers on a single product launch.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
how much can you change the design of a rectangle anyway?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Enormously from the point of view of tooling required and assembly problems.
The laminated glass on the iPhone-4 required massive custom tooling investment. The external antenna is CNC milled, and likewise required custom machinery.
The kind of curved glass used on the Nexus or the Lumia require custom tooling, and would be enormously challenging if you wanted to launch a 20million/quarter+ model and not just a 1-2million/quarter model.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Am I missing something, how are they reporting results for Q1 2012? ITS STILL JANUARY!!!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple’s Q1 is October 1 – December 31.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:43 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Jesus, they can’t even follow a normal calendar. Chalk another one up for hating Apple!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:44 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
RIMM’s fiscal year Q4 ends on February 28.
Everybody has their own.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
….you have no idea how financial quarters work do you?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:26 PM EST reply Recommend (18) Flag actions
Apparently people on this site have broken sarcasm detectors.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 9:15 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
too funny.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Their fiscal 2011 ended last September.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:44 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Every company has their own fiscal years. Apple’s started 3 months ago.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:44 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
fiscal quarters are different than regular calendar quarters.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s okay – it’s just someone who has no real grasp on business talking out of their ass…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:48 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
It’s FISCAL Q1 2012. Companies do this; not an Apple exclusive thing.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Microsoft’s fiscal Q1 starts in July, meaning calendar Q3. Go read some more, dude, before talking out your ass.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:09 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The $13 Billion in profit is $4 billion more than Google’s REVENUE last quarter. Jesus Christ.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:43 PM EST reply Recommend (18) Flag actions
Some businesses are there for improving the industries they’re involved in, instead of raw profit.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:44 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
LOL
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:47 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (43) Flag actions
That’s just so sweet!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:47 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
You do realize that Google’s profit margin is significantly higher than Apple’s, right? They are every bit as interested in raw profit as Apple is, their business model(advertising) simply doesn’t have the same revenue throughput that selling hardware has.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:50 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
Google has the market penetration to make nearly endless amounts of profit, if they so desired.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:51 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Endless? You’re killing me. Too funny.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:52 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (29) Flag actions
What could they do to expand profit so easily “if they wanted to”?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:27 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I see Google penetrates you.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:52 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
So true…They might double the amount they charge people for each Google Search. Oh wait. Well, they could double what they charge for GMail. Oh wait. Well, maybe they can double what they charge Android licensees…
I give up.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:00 AM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
I remember the time before all the trolls found The Verge comment section. It was a good day.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:51 PM EST reply Recommend (26) Flag actions
Yes.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
but at least many of them are creative.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Name 5.
Hint: Google isn’t one of them.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:53 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
You mean like tampering with search results to promote your own products?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:55 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
Exactly, like suing over patents on math equations to knock out all competition.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:57 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
People can spend lifetimes trying to finish just 1 math equation.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:34 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Haha. That would increase their competition by a whopping 10%. How are they going to increase it endlessly?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:07 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Then they fail to gain traction and open source WebOS.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, Apple shows you can do both.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:41 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
awww…how cute. pinches cheeks
The irony of your statement is that Apple is the only company that actually DID improve the phone industry in many practical ways for consumers, and took power away from carriers. Google’s Android hasn’t changed a thing in that regard, and basically sold their soul simply to get their OS on as many phones as possible. I honestly can’t even think of an industry that Apple is in that is hasnt drastically changed and improved. I mean.. thats what they do by definition when they enter an industry- turn it upside down and suddenly make it useable and better for people. Whether it be music, phones, tablets, mobile apps, etc. They’ve all be irreversibly improved by Apple’s initiatives.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:43 PM EST reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
Google’s sainthood and pure goodness makes me cry tears of joy..
http://gizmodo.com/5878987/its-official-google-is-evil-now
So voluntarily choosing to put down your money and buy an APple product, instead of the other 38,201 options available is ‘exploitation’ by Apple. But the above is …not? God you’re naive.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HAHAHAHA.. And you use Google as an example of that? An advertising company? Oh lord…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Are you serious??? There isn’t a business in the world that gives a crap about “improving the industries they’re involved in,” least of all Google! Every corporation exists for only one purpose – to make PROFIT. LOL!!!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:01 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
yup.. Google collects truckloads of nickels serving ads that people don’t want to see.
yup.. Google collects truckloads of nickels serving ads that people don’t want to see.Apple collects hundreds of dollars selling people products that they want, and in most cases like.
yup.. Google collects truckloads of nickels serving ads that people don’t want to see.Apple collects hundreds of dollars selling people products that they want, and in most cases like.fundamentally different businesses.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:52 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
And Apple’s making their money doing groundbreaking interesting work… Google does ads. Wow. It’s just not fair….
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:58 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
ASP (avg. selling price) of the iPhone INCREASED to $660. Not the race to the bottom that is observed in the Android world.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:45 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
Insecure less.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Why is that good for the users at all?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
It will fund the R&D for the next gen iPhones and iPads. And good for users who also happen to own AAPL.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:48 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
how does increasing profit margins, resulting in larger capital in the bank, fund anything to do with R&D? Hell, Apple wont even bring that money back into the USA to pay for their R&D without being given a tax pass from the gubment.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:50 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
You sound mad.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:05 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Yeah I guess that massive campus in cupertino – and the other campus they just bought are all part of beijing now?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:59 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
engineers, designers, programmers, sales people, technicians, etc etc etc… apple has a couple of thousand employees here in America.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s neither good nor bad.
Nobody is forced to buy an iPhone. Apparently people are willing to pay more for the iPhone.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:54 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Fewer people are willing to pay more for the iPhone.
Keep in mind that their market share is plummeting.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Bull. It is not plummeting. It was down last quarter as people waited for the new phone.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:59 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Plummeting? If going up slowly quarter by quarter means plummeting, then yes, their market share is plummeting.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:00 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
“Fewer people are willing to pay more for the iPhone.”
Except Apple just sold 128% more iPhones this quarter than in the same quarter last year.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:00 PM EST reply Recommend (23) Flag actions
Yeah, that doesn’t mean anything for the market itself. Apple’s market share percentage is plummeting. Percentage increase in sales means very little considering the increase in sales on other platforms is by far outracing it.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In what context, though? Because Verizon (AKA the land of the Droid) just said that 55% of all smartphone sales this quarter were iPhones, and iPhones sold almost twice as much as their 10 LTE phones combined.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:07 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
No, Apple’s market share percentage is increasing.
http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2012/01/apples-iphone-strategy-cutting.php
“In new numbers from research firm Nielsen, 37% of recent (within the last three months) smartphone buyers chose the iPhone, well above the 25.1% that did so in October 2011. Android still holds the market lead but the margin is beginning to shrink.”
The iPhone made up more than 50% of all smartphones sold by Verizon this quarter.
When users have a true choice of carriers and phones, they’re quite likely to buy an iPhone.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:08 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
You’re talking Android’s 3.1 point increase vs Apple’s 1.4 point increase, though they’ve been in a rapid decrease for over a year. Apple’s also includes their historically temporary dominance in the tablet field, which are not phones.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Smartphone sales numbers do not include the iPad. Try again.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:18 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
You’re incredibly efficient at talking out of your ass. Not a single post you’ve made in this thread has a shred of truth or facts in it. Fascinating. People like you, whose sole goal is to spread FUD by purposely peddling bullshit and trying to get a rise out of people, should be banned. I wish the verge had less tolerance for this crap. It sucks all intelligence out of the comments section.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:47 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
to be clear, you are talking about one segment of the market (USA) and one that is a small part of Apples worldwide focus.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Except that doesn’t hold true if you look at the carriers results.
In Q3 2011, Apple’s Verizon market share was 35% (2mil iPhones out of 5.6mil total)
In Q4 2011, Apple’s Verizon market share was 55% (4.2mil iPhones out of 7.7mil total)
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:13 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
I’m sure Apple are weeping all the way to the bank…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:46 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Fandroid statistics.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:22 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Dude, you need to check your facts, because you are VERY wrong about their market share.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:07 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
NEWT! Is that you??!!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So Apple is a single company, who amazingly sells more iPhones as the combined sales of hundreds of different phone models, from dozens and dozens of companies, who happen to be running some version of Android (because they got it for free from a company that cares only about advertising, and who is barely benefitting financially from this platform), including dirt cheap chinese knockoff handsets A company that sold almost 40million phones this quarter, a majority of which were their high end model. A company that was not even in the mobile phone business 4 years ago. Yet Apple is ‘losing’ by your ridiculous metrics. Who exactly are they losing to, again?
Righto my boy. You’re certifiably insane. And this is confirmed by every single post you make.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No it isn’t.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How’s their profit share? ;)
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:00 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Fewer people?! They just announce that they sold 37 million in 3 months, which is more than Samsung (who include their garbage bin smartphones), and you somehow say FEWER PEOPLE?!
If you are going to troll, at least have some intelligence in your comment.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:31 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Apple SOLD (37m) more phones than Samsung SHIPPED (35m) in the quarter. Even more impressive…
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:18 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
LOL!!! Didn’t you read the article? iPhone sales have more than doubled! But somehow you think that means that “fewer people are willing to pay more for the iPhone”? Are you for real??? And BTW, their market share is hardly “plummeting”! LOL!!!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:05 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
how much is an iPhone compared to say a galaxy sii or and LG optimus?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
With respect I don’t think that is true around the world. The market in the UK has been tighter for instance and the deals on iPhones are more completive. But they have gauged the market well.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Are you kidding me!? Which UK do you live in!? Other than 3, none of the networks are offering anything competitive. The deals of the O2, Orange, Vodafone and T-mobile are a joke. They clearly tried to price fix, but then 3 came along and undercut them all.
UK iPhone prices have improved but they are still anything but competitive.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:37 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
There is no race to the bottom with Android phones due to collusion in the market. The Kindle Fire retails for $200. Asus’s Tegra 3 tablet with retail for $250. These tablets use the exact same hardware as smartphones, except they have bigger and more expensive batteries and screens. Yet all new smartphones retail for $600, three times the price of the Kindle Fire.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sometimes we innovate too much
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
Finally, this properly applied.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:59 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Almost $100 BILLION in cash.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Indeed.
CNBC said “Apple’s cash reserves were greater than the market capitalization of 474 companies in the S&P 500.”
That’s almost incredible.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 7:48 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Almost incredible? ;)
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Boom.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:47 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I wonder what Siri will say about this?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:48 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Holy F8cking Sh*t!!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:12 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Sorry, I’m not able to connect right now.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
HAHA… Counting money, call your other Assistant.. I’m taking a ME day.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:01 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
LOL
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Those are Prince Fielder numbers, right there. WOW.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple could buy a hundred Prince Fielders and start their own baseball league.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Whaaaaaat! :O
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wait, how is Android winning again?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:52 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Android’s business model is different. Just ask Samsung how Android is winning, they’ll tell you.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Then ask HTC and Motorola how Android is winning….oh wait…yeah, both companies posted a loss.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:56 PM EST reply Recommend (18) Flag actions
And Sony, LG…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:58 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
There is only one company making money off Android: Samsung. And no, Google is not: Android purchase price + Motorola purchase price + Android related R&D, Marketing and the cost of that Oracle Java lawsuit that is just not going away are >>>>> than Android (not iOS) generated advertising revenue. (I add the parenthesis, because Google keeps talking about “mobile advertising revenue,” failing to mention most comes from iOS).
Android has been a Google vanity project from day one — Samsung isn’t complaining (nor is Amazon), but Google’s stock holders may want to have a word with management.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:23 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
actually there are 2 companies making money on android – Samsung and Microsoft :-)
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:37 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Clearly they just got Samsunged.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:58 PM EST reply Recommend (28) Flag actions
LOL, you should totally add that to Urban Dictionary
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
F*** YES! LOL
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HTC didn’t post a loss, they just posted a lower profit than last year.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:09 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HTC teamed up with Dr. Dre.. WINNING!!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yep, Androids business model is to get as many phones out there to push Googles advertising, regardless of any consistant user experience or support/update path.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
And lag. But at least they have text reflow… which is why I use Android at all.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Android’s business model is to make money for Microsoft, apparently…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:47 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Android’s business model was to destroy MS but it is now the very epitome of the phrase " hoist by his own petard".
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:36 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Not really – Google has no problem with MSFT making $15 on every Android sold, so long as they continue to have the cat-bird seat for all the network services provided. After all it’s not like it’s reducing their license fees since they don’t charge any.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If HTC were still making the Nexus model for Google, would Samsung be saying much of anything about Android?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 7:49 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Samsung would still be making all the money and HTC would be losing it on the Nexus as well
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 10:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Samsung is winning with Android because that’s the only way they will sell phones. Have you seen their OSes before Android?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 12:58 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They give Android away for free, that’s how. LOL!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:09 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
25% ish profit margin?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple’s crushin’ it! Congrats to them.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:53 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
its a trap
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:54 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
“That’s a lot of money!!”
-artstate
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Only a single $100 bill in the photo? Those $20 bills seem inappropriate…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:54 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:39 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Ziegler tweeted that this is highest ever reported quarterly revenue by any company in history. Jesus.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:54 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
Highest ever reported quarterly revenue by any company in history.
Holy crap….
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:56 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:44 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That’s patently false. Just off the top of my head, Walmart earns $100M+ in revenues per quarter.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would guess Exxon Mobil does more revenue as well
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
ExxonMobil’s highest ever revenue (the previous record) was 45.22bn
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Exxon made $125B in revenues last quarter
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/exxonmobil/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&ndmConfigId=1001106&newsId=20111027005873&newsLang=en
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How about profit?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Profit-wise, Apple has much higher margins so they would definitely have more on a percentage basis. I believe its $16B vs $10B in profits for Apple vs. Exxon last quarter
Don’t get me wrong, Apple is putting unreal numbers up. But they’re numbers that don’t need to be inflated further by saying “MOST REVENUE OF ANY COMPANY EVER”
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, it’s really frustrating that that got posted out there (Damn it Chris Ziegler!).
But, what do you mean $16B? Apple reported $13.06B according to the title of this page.
Does Exxon really report $10B in profit with around $100B in revenue? Those are some dramatically different profit margins!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
God so many numbers floating around.
Yes, Apple $13B on $46B of revenues. Exxon $10B on $125B of revenues.
As an aside, oil companies are demonized for gouging, etc and politicians want to sock them with windfall taxes and such, but they really do operating on some rather razor-thin margins.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The oil companies are heavily subsidized by the government, hence the demonization. If there is any sort of “nationalized” company, that would be Exxon.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:45 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
We haven’t invaded any countries yet because of their strategic flash memory reserves — meanwhile our last three wars have involved a country with vast oil reserves (but no Weapons of Mass Destruction) Iraq, one which is a highly important route for oil pipelines – Afghanistan, and one more with vast oil reserves — Libya. Note that we are not invading Syria even though Assad is suppressing the internal revolt every bit as brutally as Qaddafi did — but Syria has no oil. North Korea does have actual WMDs, plus a brutal regime, but again, no oil == no invasion.
Still wondering why oil companies are demonized?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Bugger the 13, I’d be happy if they rounded off and sent me those 0.06.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 7:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My bad… I was reading yearly profits haha. Completely ignore what I said. I totally misread the site I was getting my info from.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/25/markets/apple_stock/index.htm?iid=EL
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Um… did you even read what you just said?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Was that meant to be $100B?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If it was, it was completely false rofl. No corporation has ever posted profits anywhere near that. Apple’s was the highest ever (2nd if adjusted for inflation)
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would say $110B is close to $100B
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wouldn’t.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What’s $10 billion among friends?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:48 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Apparently not much to you… wanna give me 10 billion?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:05 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
100M is less than 13B…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:31 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Jesus, one typo really nails ya huh =)
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So you meant to type 100B?
You’re suggesting they have ever made 100B per quarter? Are you high and drunk?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Did some research… it’s the highest by number, but only the 2nd highest if you factor inflation in. Still, pretty fucking impressive.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:16 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
http://investors.walmartstores.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=112761&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1630360&highlight=
$110 Billion
Apologies for the typo earlier
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah I totally read the thing wrong I was quoting, ignore basically any numbers I just said. lol
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Poor Chris took such an awesome beating for this tweet on the Verge Mobile podcast yesterday! Obviously, Exxon and Walmart are two examples of huge corporations that produce two to three times more revenue per quarter than Apple does. But, where technology companies are concerned…this is pretty insane.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There is an App for that…
#plus500 – order Apple Stock as we speak…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Any1 dare to predict APPL stockprice?
Now @4.20 my gues… it will go up till 450… an UP
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Looks like After-hours trading has already put it above 450.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:00 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Next stop, 500.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Big numbers but I’m so sick of hearing about Apple.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:55 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Better move to mars then, because Apple is here to stay, and will be THE consumer electronics company of the next 20 years+.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:10 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
…maybe. We’ll see what happens without Steve Jobs’s direction. Obviously they have a product roadmap for the next decade or two, but as Jobs said one of the most important aspects of his company was learning when to say “no”.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Next decade or two”? I highly doubt they have a product roadmap for the next 20 years!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:13 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
1. Make cool stuff
2. Sell it for loadsa money
3. Keep buyers happy
Repeat
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:44 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Indeed.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:46 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The bio does point out that one of his top priorities during his last ten years or so of life was making sure that his company could continue to innovate and make incredible products with or without him. Hopefully he succeeded.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
…why did you click this link then?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:32 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Get used to it.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:48 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I’m so sick of hearing people being sick of hearing about Apple.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:01 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
One of those iPads was mine, one of the iPhones my wife’s, one of the iMacs my bosses (and he gave his old one to me).
Think I’ll buy a few more shares too.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:55 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I bet all the Foxconn workers are sipping champagne tonight… Oh wait.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:58 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Says the guy who owns at least 3 products manufactured at Foxconn.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:04 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Defends the guy who also owns multiple products manufactured at Foxconn under legal economic slave labor.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:07 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Are the workers not voluntarily employed?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:11 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
No, they’re not.
Can you just quit your job and just not do anything? Not really, no. You’re strongly encouraged to work, in such a way that you’d simply let your family rot in the street if you didn’t.
This, in essence, is slavery.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
We are all slaves to reality my friend.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:15 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
We’d all like to sit in bean bags all day, but blasted reality always seems to get in the way.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:17 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Why don’t you list some Foxconn competitors in the region that offer better conditions? By all metrics I’ve seen, foxconn offers better wasges, terms, and conditions than all of them. So yes, you could call it legal slavery, but it’s a country wide problem (China) and has nothing to do specifically with Apple, or even Foxconn. Conditions need to be changed by gvt regulations. Foxconn operates in accordance to the society and economic conditions- as every company in the world does. How many US companies would voluntarily pay minimum wage if it wasnt law? Yeah, thought so.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:12 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Are you trying to be funny? Because you say some of the most ridiculous things I have ever read.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:15 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Eating is a priority in many countries.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 7:55 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So you’re a slave also.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Are you saying they’d rather be unemployed?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:11 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
A lot of them would clearly rather jump off the roof.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Less of them want to do that working for Foxconn than in the general population of China though.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:05 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I LOL’d.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That was at a Foxconn factory making Microsoft’s XBOXES.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:31 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
..and a lot of Americans would clearly rather kill themselves too. More per capita, actually than Foxconn. But hey, stats like that that put perspective into the situation are boring.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But apparently it’s only evil when Apple does it….
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:49 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
It’s not slave labor you tool. They’re choosing to be there and they’re being paid. Do you even know what slavery is?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:06 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Oh, my gosh. You drive me crazy. Anybody have a filter I can use to keep Fozee’s responses from showing up on my browser? ;)
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Let me know if you find one. Just skimmed his post history, possibly the most crazed, insane Apple troll I’ve ever seen. Never seen anyone distort stats so grotesquely to fit their own twisted, blatantly biased view. According to him, Apple had a horrible quarter that is foreshadowing its demise and plunge into obscurity. I always wonder how shitty the lives of these types of people must be, to put so much time and effort into online intellectual dishonesty, blatant trolling, and viciously angry vitriol and nastiness towards- of all things- a gadget company they’ve decided not to like. Pathetic.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:08 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Where, exactly, do you think the computer you’re typing on was built?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:13 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
What do you use? What phone & computer do you use?
They were likely manufactured there or somewhere similar…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No no, you guys… can’t you see that Apple is terrible and iOS is terrible and iPhone is terrible and __________ (insert some other product here) is way better! I mean, just look at those numbers, Apple is obviously on a downward spiral and about to go out of business.
Rofl. Can’t even TYPE that with a straight face. I’d love to hear what batshit insane “logic” the Apple haters will try and conjure up to downplay this.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:58 PM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
engadget commenters will find a way to type that with a straight face.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:04 PM EST reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
Fair point. lol.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:07 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I lol’d.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:15 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I don’t understand why people can’t seem to appreciate multiple competing platforms. IOS is a great system with a few flaws as is Android. I’m sure WP7 will be solid too.
these flame wars are just stupid. “oh my god you prefer something slightly different than me? you choice isn’t as good as mine despite the fact they both do the same thing!”
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:09 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Because historically that hasn’t been a stable situation. We had multiple competing platforms in the PC industry in the late 80s, early 90s. They left us with the MSFT monopoly that could easily have become deadening to innovation. Fortunately the DoJ and the ECC broke MSFT’s spirit and that future never came to pass.
Neither Apple nor Google truly poses a MSFT like threat, Apple because they aren’t interested in getting 100% of the market, and their business model isn’t conducive to it. Google because Android’s openness makes most MSFT style dirty tricks impossible.
Still people want their horse to win because they don’t want to have to spend the next decade riding somebody elses.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That was the point :P
I bought a WP7 phone for my mom and she absolutely loves it. Most of my friends have iPhone or Android devices and all like them too. I don’t get these attitudes.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How much do they make from selling computers? Im just curious as im starting to see less Macs in the wild, numbers going down?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 4:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
5.5m vs 4,2m last year but the feeling is that iMacs are going down fast and Airs make upmost of that gain
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There’s an industry-wide trend toward laptops and away from desktops. So, that would fit with what’s being seen elsewhere.
It used to be that a laptop involved huge making compromises – cost, speed, screen, etc. – compared to a desktop. Essentially all those compromises have been whittled away by advancing technology, so more and more people are just buying a laptop and, if they really need it, an external monitor and keyboard to dock at home. Other than niche-market settings (hardcore gamers, graphic designers, someone who needs a bunch of expansion slots), there aren’t too many reasons to buy a desktop over a laptop anymore.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They said that iMacs were performing strongly so I imagine that their sales are increasing, albeit much slower than laptops.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
iMacs are actually broken out here
http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q1fy12datasum.pdf
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:18 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
21% Vs 28% – not as big a difference as I would have thought. I know so many people who have bought Airs – many of them primarily Windows users who are bootcamping or using Parallels.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:30 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, Mac sales have been UP 23 quarters in a row! It’s a huge winning streak. They’re up 26% this quarter alone.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:17 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just to be clear that’s a YoY% where the way you phrased it makes it sound like a sequential one.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL! Thanks for clarifying.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:20 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
All I know is I’m testing a mac with lion and it’s awful for a corporate environment, at least snow leapoard worked somewhat well with Active directory.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sooooo many iPhones
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:00 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
So many iPhones… so few Biebers :(
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not to mention soooo few iPads, cuz it got killed by the Fire.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:31 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Selling at a rate of 60million year… not bad ;)
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So epic. Nicely done.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Dear Soviet Jesus that’s a lot of money
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:00 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Hahaha. Jesus WAS a socialist.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:04 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Communist. I don’t think Jesus would have agreed with having a large governing body making decisions for its people, rather the people deciding themselves.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:08 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Oops.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:12 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Dude, you got Fozee’d.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re a terrible poster.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:23 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
That’s anarchy.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, that is not Anarchy.
Please learn politics. Anarchists are misguided Communists.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thing is apple is still a couple hundred billion away from MSFTs market cap cira 2000.
With the level of hype surrounding AAPL it could well double.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That was at the height of the tech bubble. By 2003 MSFT was down to $260BN.
You’re comparing Apple’s performance in the worst recession since the 30s, with MSFT’s performance in the biggest bubble since the 20s.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If the 4S and iPad 2 sold that many, just think how many iPhone 5 and iPad 3 units they will sell when launched. Phenomenal! I bet there are many competitors that will be needing a change of pants following this news.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:03 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Apple sells as many iPhones as they can make regardless of what model it is
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:03 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yep – in fact their inventory are below target this quarter, they literally can’t make the 4S fast enough.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:18 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
#apple watchers have this one on us “Apple squeezes plum profits from core products, pipping rivals. We speak to an incider” You’re welcome twitter.com/pmaher
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:03 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Mind = boggled.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:04 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
wow just wow
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Holy mackerel!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, okay, but the 4S was a massive disappointment. Good thing consumers will be able to show Apple how they feel.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:17 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Apparently they activated 62million iOS devices in the quarter, which means that they were only just below 700k per day. They actually caught back up with android on an activation basis, though they probably won’t be able to sustain that since the iPod and iPad sales are seasonally spiking.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:17 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So between Goople, they’re activating 1.4 MILLION devices a day? That’s fucking absurd, good lord.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:21 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Yes, at least last quarter. It’s somewhat boggling.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That was a several-months old iPad that sold 15 mil units. Would you be willing to bet against the iPad 3 (if the rumors are true) shattering their previous sales records? The iPhone sales will definitely crest in the coming months, but the next rush is coming soon…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m sure there will be some secular rise in iPad sales too, but if it’s anything like iPod sales, even in the years it was a growing category, Q2 and Q3 will be below Q1.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Like iPod or like iPhone? Because the iPhone 4S sales pattern didn’t match the iPhone 4’s pattern, due to the fact that most of its sales were in a different fiscal quarter.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
iPhone sales aren’t seasonal, they’re driven by product releases, so in that regards the iPhone-4S is following previous patterns. This launch was early in a quarter, whereas previous launches were later – which masked it.
The iPad is more giftable than the iPhone, so we can expect it to be heavily seasonal as the iPod is and was.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s wrong; they’re actually both seasonal and driven by release date. That’s why some people thought Q4 was a “disappointment” for Apple; that’s normally when they have a new phone on sale (the summer), and so it seemed (to some) as though their profits were starting to dip.
The “giftability” of the product is totally irrelevant. You can only gift someone a device when they are ready to accept it. That the iPhone is more easily made into a gift when a person is off their contract or up for a renewal doesn’t change the terms of product refresh for a person. You couldn’t very well gift a new laptop to a person if they just got one a year ago.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They’re seasonal?
That’s why the 3G sales dropped in its christmas quarter? Why Q2 was equal or greater to Q1 for both the 3GS and the iPhone 4? Sorry but if you believe you can see significant seasonality in the iPhone you’re bonkers.
This is what seasonal sales looks like
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:26 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I just hope Apple pays taxes, unlike other companies that don’t pay a penny. Just my two cents.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:19 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
If they’re using the highways and airports and street lights, etc., they’d better damn well be paying taxes.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I have a funny feeling they don’t.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Brilliant. Any evidence to back this up… or should we just go ahead and assume they’re the biggest taxpayer in Cupertino?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
0.4 cents of that belongs to Uncle Sam now…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Apple’s tax rate is 25.25% For reference, Google’s tax rate is 2.4%
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:14 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
To be fair Google’s tax rate is about 20%. 2.4% are the income from overseas.
But you are right, in general, Apple pays higher tax rate than most big tech companies.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:26 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
They do.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Congratulations Apple! Do a great job on the iPhone 5 and you can add me to the next iPhone sales.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It seems that high margin hardware is more profitable than high margin abstract software and services after all. A true testament to the efficiency of Apple’s logistical chain: brilliant devices that don’t have to be expensive to manufacture.
13 billion, what does one say to that; is there any other modern private entity that has had such a huge profit over a period of one quarter ? I believe not even Exxon can match that.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Great question. Everyone is talking revenue – I’m curious about profit!
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Only $13 billion.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hah, I gathered that much. I’m more interested in how Apple’s profit compares to other company’s profit.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
More than any other fully private company I believe. Some state owned firms like Saudi Aramco would be higher.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple profit for this quarter = $13 billion. Exxon Mobil profit for Q3 2011 = $10 billion. And people think they they are getting screwed by the oil companies…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Exxon is screwing us, Apple is enriching us with revolutionary products that change lives.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:25 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I probably agree with you, but that’s not the way to argue his point. The obvious fallacy is that profit doesn’t equal people getting screwed.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:27 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Exactly
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They certainly change the lives of Foxconn employees…
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
by giving them jobs?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:43 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The world runs on oil not on iphones. I would wish it ran on something more clean but alas we are not there yet.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
babby’s first troll post?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:25 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah man, it’s not the people providing core services that are screwing over the common man, it’s the people providing luxury items that consumers have to choose to buy but can ultimately do without.
Wait, what?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:27 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I don’t even need to point out the flaws in your comment, because everyone else already did, but I’ll just add SHUT UP STUPIDHEAD
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:29 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Apple = A want
Oil = A need,
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 11:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Considering that the oil companies got the government to remove price controls, de-regulate the petroleum business, and are subsidized by the taxpayers, why would people not be thinking that?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Market leader by just about every measurement.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:24 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I wonder how much of that $13b will end up spent chasing frivelous lawsuits?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They have nearly $100 billion in the bank. It doesn’t matter.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:34 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
A mere drop in the ocean. These figures really are monumental.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:39 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Very little.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I wonder what Foxconn and other eastern manufacturers employees will make of this. They’ve been fighting for better wages and working conditions and now they get to see record profits made essentially at their expense of quality of life (partially at least). I’d be pissed of enough to jump of a building right now.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes the employees of Foxconn should be pissed at Apple first, and Foxconn second… /s
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The ones who were threatening to jump off a building made XBoxes. So it would be microsoft profits that would be upsetting them. Nice try though.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
I was generalising. If I were an employee there this absolutely would piss me off. And I would be pissed of with my employer and not Apple. How come my employer can’t charge them more to pay me more if they’re making that sort of profit?
The obvious answer is of course because they’ll move business elsewhere. But I do think that this news will see costs from Chinese suppliers across the board start to rise pretty soon.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I take you work for charity?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No but if I see my employer making huge profits I ask for a pay rise.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Odd, I ask for a pay rise based on how the supply/demand situation is in my particular slice of IT.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:48 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
And so you should. But if you constrain yourself to just that you’ve probably missed a few pay rises down the line.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m sure this may work for whatever startups you’ve worked for, but I don’t think they do this at fortune 100 companies.
Well, not unless you’re a VP/CEO.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It works at startups, it works at corporate level. More so at corporate in my experience as you can ask to have your wage brought up in line with inflation etc. The worst they can say is no, then its up to you what you do next (accept that or look elsewhere).
Of course the truth is none of us know for sure what we’d do in that position as we’re all privileged enough to not have to work at a place like Foxconn. But I still can’t help thinking I’d be pissed off seeing all that money being made while I worked my ass off for peanuts.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:34 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Foxconn could charge them more, but they wouldn’t pay their employees more because of it. This is why it is not productive to focus all of your energies blaming Apple and the other corporations that are taking advantage of this situation. What needs to happen is that Foxconn and its corporate peers in China and worldwide really, have to accept higher standards of conduct, and they need to be convinced that this will ultimately result in being a better business decisions than their current methods. Concurrently, Foxconn workers need to figure out a way to impose their rights to a better standard of conduct without it costing them their jobs. How to do this… well, easier said than done, but ultimately, that’s the most likely way that anything will change.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:18 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Never said I blamed Apple for anything. I just know that if I was working on the shop floor at Foxconn or wherever building iPads for peanuts and I heard this news the first thought in my head would be “I want a pay rise”. Would that be unreasonable of me?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, because you’re not much more skilled than the guy two assembly lines over making netbooks for Acer.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:48 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
But surely they should be asking for more money/better conditions too? Doesn’t matter what your’e working on, if you see your company doing well on the whole would you not question why they could not make things a bit better for their employees on the whole?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If they should that would simply be based on a supply/demand consideration of their labour – since Acer aren’t making spectacular profits.
See my point? Apple’s profits are irrelevant to Foxconn worker’s pay.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:20 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
yea it would be unreasonable then you would get fired cuz there are people waiting in line for your job. its supply and demand if workers demanded more money then Apple/some company would have to supply it.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:49 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Unreasonable? Not at all. A little stupid, though, in a country where you can get jailed for even talking about forming a union. When there are thousands in line ready to take your spot at the assembly line, you don’t have much negotiating power. Regardless of how much money Apple makes.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:05 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Look at the recent past. Foxxconn did raise their employees’ pay and Apple put in specific criteria concerning Foxconn’s treatment and payment of employees.
I wonder how Dell, HP, and others handled that.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In china there are no such things as workers rights. People threaten suicide then foxconn just puts up nets. I don’t think even apple has enough money to fix china’s workers rights policy and i don’t think its their job.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’d be pissed off enough to jump off a building right now.
My spelling is utter turd.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I hope that Apple can leverage their position as unquestioned behemoth of industry to improve the situation in China. Ultimately, it isn’t their responsibility to fix China’s problems, or Foxconn’s problems, and even if it were, there is only so much they can realistically do. But in much the same way that Wal-Mart had to address environmental concerns pertaining to their sourcing, Apple does have the raw ability to make a difference here.
Still, for the time being, they should be thrilled for their success, it is simply put, staggering.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re right of course, it’s not Apple’s problem. I just found it interesting reading today about how Steve used to proudly proclaim that its product were made in the US but its biggest profits are found when production is moved abroad. They could now if they wanted afford to move a lot of that production back to the US.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The same article you read probably outlined why that (supposedly, anyway) isn’t possible. The labor force to do the type of labor they need does not readily exist in the US. Apple would be eaten alive by competitors and then there would be no jobs “not to fill”.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Would this article at Forbes be the one you’re talking about? http://onforb.es/ybSt7G
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, they could afford it, strictly speaking financially. But logistically, it’s essentially impossible. Ultimately, the ‘solution’ has to come from China and it has to come from Foxconn. Consumers in America have some leverage, the US government has some leverage, Companies that contract there have some leverage, sure, but the issue of exploited workers is a fundamental human rights issue that needs to be dealt with by the Chinese Government, the Chinese people, and the Chinese companies that endorse these practices.
Remember, it wasn’t terribly long ago that corporations in America were exploiting their workforce with oppressively long hours, dangerous working conditions, no social mobility and/or ability to migrate employment, child labor, low pay…etc. It is not something the world hasn’t seen before, it is also something that has tended to get better over time. In the meantime, I’m not looking to hold myself prisoner to sensationalistic horror stories of a world I didn’t create just because I own some gadgets. I’m an optimist, and I think that the wheels are already turning towards resolving these issues in a way that is morally and economically agreeable. I would not be surprised if Apple, in a few years time becomes the gold standard for oversight and regulation into their outsourced labor, they’re not in any rush though, but eventually, it will simply be ‘good business’.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:02 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Agreed that the way to make change is to set the standard for others to follow. Its what’s made them this profit after all.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Did you read the NYTimes article from a few days back? It just seems like the entire chain of suppliers are all in one place. Corning’s glassworks. Chip suppliers. Assemblers – they’re all just minutes away from each other. The whole operation can’t just be moved.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Didn’t I read that they may be moving quite a bit to Brazil, is that happening still?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That is just for the brazil market due to import taxes.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 11:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Products made in Brazil will serve only national demand, there are absolutely no plans of other countries getting “assembled in Brazil” iPhones.
As Lomifeh said, it’s only because Brazil has outrageous import taxes which hurt consumer electronics (and because Brazil is part of the BRIC emerging nations and the demand there will be very very big in the next decade).
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 10:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Probably other Mercosur countries too.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There is an excellent article on the Economist the question you posted. I recommend reading it. They basically explain why Apple moving low-skill manufacturing jobs back the USA is simply not possible, or, at least, impractical. Here is the link:
http://econ.st/yoBuf4
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not that I explicitly stated it but I conceded my point when I replied to Darkcrayon. Read that thanks, what was especially interesting was the Kentucky company, I assume thats gorilla glass? having to move production overseas to meet demand while keeping costs low. It’s now the only way to compete, and stay alive. Globalisation on this scale I think is going to take someone like Apple to bring some sort of moral order to it all, see Qfax’s post above.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Ah, I missed your post to Darkcrayon. All in good fun. I’m just sharing some neat information.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s appreciated, was a great article, thanks:)
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
"What U.S. plant can find 3,000 people overnight and convince them to live in dorms?"
Funnily enough this line reminded me of the state of the UK games industry and why I left it:(
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t get why so many people love this company so much.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:43 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
For a lot of reasons. But for one, Americans tend to have an obsession with underdog stories. While Apple is now far from the underdog (and has been for a while), I find that people I know seem to still root for them for that reason.
I do because I love their products and (what I’ve made up to be) their philosophy.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yep, Apple is currently as far from underdog as you could possibly get, but they do have the underdog rep. I wonder how long it will last. They’ll likely be the most valuable company in the U.S. by tomorrow
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
in the world not the US
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Aramco
Saudi Aramco is estimated to be worth $8 trillion USD, making it the world’s most valuable non-publicly listed company
Please do some research
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
When talking about ‘most valuable companies’ people tend to mean non-sovereign owned. For example, when asked what the most valuable company in america is, most people will not say the Federal Reserve.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:52 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
No offense but this is COMPLETELY wrong. 99% of the people who are buying Apple stuff now don’t look at them as an underdog. Heck, myself, I tech guy don’t look at them that way. We are FAR FAR away from the PC days.
Apple makes products that have TREMENDOUS appeal to the masses because the said products are user-friendly and good looking. PERIOD.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:59 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Simple: Apple creates some of the best personal computing products in the world.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 5:49 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
They make some of the best content consumption devices in the world… Not sure about personal computing ones. Even Steve Jobs wanted to run away form the “PC” label.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh God, not the “you can’t do anything with an iOS device” meme again.
Anyone who owns or uses an iPhone or iPad knows they are capable of (and used for) far more than “content consumption.”
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:17 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well, considering that like 90% of the content consumed on basically any device was also CREATED on an Apple device… his point seems kind of silly.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:18 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Whatever you were smoking, I want it… See accidental double post below for my reply…lol.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I said created on an Apple device, not created on an iOS device.
Also, Gorillaz entire album “The Fall” was created on Damon’s iPad. Js.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:27 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’m aware what you said and I still disagree with the 90% number. Even if we ignore everything but multimedia content, there is no way that 5% of hardware (Macs) is used to make 90% of consumption content.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah in your dreams maybe you can create some viable content on an iphone or ipad… For a living I am a creative designer for an advertising company and iphone and ipad can not help me create any viable content. But if you’re finger painting or pinching to zoom for a living, you are good to go.
BTW I own an iphone 4, Macbook air and Ipad 2 and Mac Air does allow me to do my work and create lots of content while running Windows 7. You see, when you design flash creative banners for example, most companies you send this creative to want to make changes and ask for fonts in PC format in order to republish the .swf….as they work on PCs. So making Flash files using a Mac is not very smart.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You better learn something else soon cause Flash’s days are numbered. That terrible technology has at most 5 years left.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:15 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
And what that day comes, don’t worry as I’ll be fine…but thanks for caring.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
too long :/
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 6:13 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Ummm, Mac is an Apple product. Hello.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah in your dreams maybe you can create some viable content on an iphone or ipad… For a living I am a creative designer for an advertising company and iphone and ipad can not help me create any viable content. But if you’re finger painting or pinching to zoom for a living, you are good to go.
BTW I own an iphone 4, Macbook air and Ipad 2 and Mac Air does allow me to do my work and create lots of content while running Windows 7. You see, when you design flash creative banners for example, most companies you send this creative to want to make changes and ask for fonts in PC format in order to republish the .swf….as they work on PCs. So making Flash files using a Mac is not very smart.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
the truth of it is along with a quality product they sell their brand of elitism too and if there is one thing that people like more than a solid system that works well it’s being given a reason to think they are better than others.
how else can anyone explain the existence of companies like Vertu? :)
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:24 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
The new truth of the hi-tech industry is if you are in some way attached to the Apple ecosystem you will thrive, if not you will find yourself on the bread lines.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:17 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Should’ve bought more AAPL stock :(
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:32 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I should’ve bought AAPL stock ;(
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 6:49 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s not too late if you can get in at $450. This sucker is going to $600 by the end of the year. AND IT WILL STILL BE UNDERVALUED.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Unfreaking real.
They beat all analyst estimates by $7,000,000,000.00
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Greedy bastards. Apple is the symbol of exploitation and capitalist excess…I read this article right after listening to this: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/play_full.php?play=454
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 7:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Doesn’t even deserve a lol.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:45 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Just to be clear, more iOS devices were sold in this last quarter than all Android devices COMBINED. Apple’s quarterly profit of 13+ billion is more than Google’s entire quarterly REVENUE of 10 billion. 55% of ALL smartphones sold by Verizon last quarter were iPhones. Apple just had the second most profitable quarter of ALL TIME, from ANY COMPANY in the HISTORY OF THE US.
But Android is “winning”.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:11 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
No. Apparently, fanboys who like to start fanboy wars like you are “winning”.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 11:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And you’re helping by calling me a fanboy instead of actually responding to the points I made, is that how you see it? Well done.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
$46.33 billion is kind of hard to understand. The Airspace broke it down in scientific comparisons. http://theairspace.net/events/apples-q1/
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:13 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Great piece.
“It’s an absolutely jaw dropping amount of money. Enough to make a chain of dollar bills that wrap around the earth 185 times or to make a stack of bills 3146 miles high—imagine the a pile of money as tall as the United States is wide. Yeah.
A obscene, dirty, monstrously ludicrous sum of money—all earned in 14 weeks.”
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
that logo is so close to the verge one lol
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:53 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Shame the 4S was such a dissapointment
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Be quiet & consume like you have been programmed to do! Who the hell do you think you are?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i love how every fandroid thinks apple’s customers have been “brainwashed.” Could it be just as possible that apple makes good easy to use products?
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:58 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
nobody in their right mind is saying that their products aren’t well polished; just that people pay a premium for the polish relative to much cheaper alternatives that effectively do the exact same thing.
that is why people use the brainwashed term.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:45 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Sure. And a Chevy “effectively does the exact same thing” as a Mercedes, but that doesn’t make them the same! LOL!!!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:32 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
we will consume while you repeat your fake holly trinity
free – open – google
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple is a beast right now.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:28 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The US government has just announced that they will stop borrowing money from China and will start borrowing money from Apple instead.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:29 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
LOL AWESOME
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oddly, as Apple owns US government bonds, the US government are already borrowing from Apple.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 11:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
BLING, BLING MOFOS, forget all about those suicidal slaves in China because WE GOT MONEY IN OUR MOUTHS & iPhones in our pockets! This game is never going to end.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
All hail Apple Inc. Those fat margins? How do they do it???
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
According to Schmozo’s , that makes a total of 93.1 million Iphones sold in 2011. Thanks for the stat!
Nokia sold a remarkable 111.5 million Symbian devices in 2011. Even if they lose the battle for the year, and this is not clear at all since Apple and Sansung only rushed at the end, they are still holding the world record.
Just to bring some perspective…
Now profits margin… Apple is probably still the champ, I don’t even bother checking out.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Correction: Nokia sold 111.5 mi in 2010, not 2011. Still waiting for the 2011 results… It were 27.5 + 23.8 + 19.5 = 70.8 million from 1Q to 3Q2011. Pretty difficult to believe they will make the 111 mark again, but there still a chance they beat Apple for the whole year. We have to look at the N9 and Lumia figures too to see the performance of the whole company.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 8:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
UNless you post a source I have to assume that includes dumbphones. And trust me: Apple DOES win the profits margin race.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is no secret information. The Verge and others don’t talk about that because it’s directed to the USA where Symbian is not popular. But here is one sample: http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1848514
If you look at all kinds of handsets, Nokia can sell 100 million units in a single quarter. They have just celebrated selling 1.5 billion S40 phones, and have been selling 12 S40 phones per second, ~370 milion per year.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Record for what? Most Symbian devices are NOT smart phones.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Every Symbian device is a smartphone. S60 <> S40
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 6:21 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Sorry, but there are a gazillion dumb phones and feature phones running versions of Symbian. This is evidenced by the fact that Nokia sells gazillions of phones running Symbian yet Symbian has a very small share of the smartphone market.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wut? I think you’re getting mixing up Symbian’s share of the US smartphone market and its share of the global smartphone market.
Low end symbian phones aren’t any less smartphones than low end Android devices. Symbian actually has quite a high browser share for instance
http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-ww-monthly-201101-201201-bar
Symbian isn’t outselling iOS or Android anymore, but it did for a long time, and there are a lot of devices out there.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m not sure what definition of “smart phone” you’re using, but Symbian runs on millions of handsets that are not smart phones. They are, at best, feature phones.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Maybe you should check the definition of smartphone.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 7:12 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If you define smartphone as “the Iphone”, then it gets hard to have any kind of conversation around here…
All Symbian devices are smartphones, yes. S40 is not Symbian. And Symbian phones were the number one sellers until very recently. Android eventually surpassed, and then Apple. As separate manufacturers of smartphones (that means not counting other Nokia products, but just Symbian phones, WP7 and e.g. the N9) Nokia was only recently surpassed by Apple, and now by Samsung too.
The installed base of Symbian phones is still the largest. They are not the fastest, they don’t have the largest RAM and storage memories (well, some have great specs), the smoother transitions and the coolest apps, but they are there. Ugly, considered dead, but undead: still walking and biting butts, like a huge army of zombies. The manufacturer score up until 3Q2011 is: Nokia 24% Apple 17% RIM 14% Samsung 12% HTC10%…
And the OS score. Android has only right now tied with Symbian:
Android 31% Symbian 31% Ios 17% Blackberry 14% Windows Mobile 3%…
Yes, Windows Mobile. Windows Phone is still at 1%!!
These last figures come from here:
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/12/smartphone-penetration-rates-by-country-we-have-good-data-finally.html
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 9:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s a lot of barista’s there buying iPhones… eh, Samsung?
;)
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:43 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
That’s how you counter Samsungs ad. With class.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah suck on those balls Samsung
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 9:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Unless Apple was calling from the future, the result were from Q4 2011. Q1 2012 will end on 31 March 2012.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple runs their own fiscal year.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 11:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Many companies have a shifted fiscal year. US Government agencies do as well.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s their fiscal first quarter.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:47 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not enough faces or palms.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Awesome.
Posted on Jan 24, 2012 | 10:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
maybe they can buy off Congress to get a unified spectrum for all carriers? they could cut their phones (only needing to make one phone for US and Europe instead of two per version) in half and probably make even more $ next year.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:28 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
its all preference
and most people PREFER simpleness
i prefer Android :)
“CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?!?”
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s called “simplicity”. I can see why you prefer Android – you’re not sweating the details ;)
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:26 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yes we can. I could use iOS, Android (ICS) or Windows Phone very happily, but I choose iOS. I am hoping for a three-horse race though to keep each of these OS makers competitive and honest.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nobody wants Android garbage.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:48 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
C’mon…. we don’t need to resort to this kind of talk. Clearly lots of people want Android and some don’t even care what they get. Apple has found the formula for what appeals to many (if not the greatest percentage) of people in a smartphone. That’s great, but no reason to go trashing Android just because you prefer Apple. I prefer Apple too, but the latest Android is pretty great. Can’t we all just get along?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Rack city bitch rack rack city bitch
Throwin hundids! Hundids!
Tim cook and Phil Schiller are probably poppin bottles in the club right now
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:40 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
An Android phone which does not have a screen larger than 5-inches is a wuss phone. Don’t get it. Bigger screen is better in the Android world.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 6:07 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The run of bigger screens is actually simply driven by it being a requirement to support LTE. You need more space in the device for the second chip and you need more space for more battery. Once LTE technology matures later this year you will likely see a bunch of smaller Android phones getting all the press. The “bigger screen” phenomenon is actually really good marketing to cover up a technology limitation with LTE. Some prefer it, but before last year everybody was screaming “smaller is better”.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
15.43m ipads! “just a big iphone”, yeah?!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 6:12 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
With almost a 100 billion in cash they could easily end all economic crises in the world :)
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not even enough to bail out Greece sadly.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Do people really not get this sales surge was on the back of free/cheap iPhone models and not the 4S? Unless I’m missing the breakdown somewhere I have to believe this is the case. What’s ironic is that’s what all Apple fans would pin Android sales on: free/cheap models. I hope the same Apple fans start hating on Apple for selling free/cheap models!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 9:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Cook said the iPhone 4S was the most popular iPhone model during the quarter, beating out the also-available iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS.” – front the Q&A after the finical announcement.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They doesn’t disprove (or prove) my point at all. So it beat each one of those models individually. Had there been no cheap models those phones would have flat-lined in sales. Now I bet they make up a significant portion of the sales instead allowing total sales to grow faster.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Average selling price of the iPhone increased during the quarter. Which can only mean……
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 11:39 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The ARPU of iPhone is $660 this quarter, so please kindly just shut up.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:33 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s easy really, the 1% need a place to shop, Apple has that covered. The other 13.1% need something to eat, and Bill Gates has that covered. Whats the big deal?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 10:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The increase in the number of Iphone sells after the 4S luanched is a proof that this performance has nothing to do with innovation.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, stupid non-edditable Vegre coments.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
how so? Faster graphics, new processor, better camera, new antenna, new speakers, plus some new software all while remaining thin, and being able to use the same accessories that have been out for a year?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:30 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I am a professional analyst. I predict that, at some point in the future, Apple’s stock will decline. If not the next quarter, then a subsequent one—mark my words. I will be correct one day.
Oh, and my clock is broken.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:16 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Love the sarcasm…. see my comment two down \/ \/.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
why the heck is it so many android comments?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What irks me about last quarter is that folks in the media kept harping how Apple had “lost their mojo” or that Apple’s “bubble was about to burst” because they missed the expectations of Wall Street analysts. While expectations/projections from Wall Street analysts can artificially inflate a stock price and therefore missing those expectations will cause the stock to correct, let’s look at things.
- Apple exceeded their guidance in Q4 of last year.
- Apple’s last quarter set records for a Q4 quarter.
- Apple’s last quarter was extremely profitable
- Wall Street analysts inflated expectations because they were consistently outdone by Apple’s actuals.
- Apple’s stock price has little bearing on the company’s day-to-day operations, especially with $80B in the bank (this is not like an IPO that increases operating capital).
- Apple probably reported healthier financials than just about any company in the USA last quarter.
And yet, missing Wall Street expectations somehow means that Apple is supposedly “about to fall”. That is why this quarter’s results are such a surprise to the media. Apple is not a one-trick-pony who is facing bankruptcy and a plummeting stock price with just one misstep. Yet their competitors and the media love to sell that story. It would be like an undefeated NBA team losing their first game of the season and everybody writing them off as a contender for the playoffs let alone the championship. Its this mentality that keeps Apple’s stock so incredibly undervalued (note: I own none of their stock unless one of my 401K mutual funds owns some).
Anyway, I have grown tired of the articles predicting Apple’s demise or one of these giants completely obliterating the other. I don’t think Apple is going to crush Microsoft either — that simply does not make sense. Companies decline when they feel to innovate and fail to lead or keep pace with the market. When a company reacts to slowly to competition and languishes for many quarters is when they fail. It took 5 years of mistakes from RIM to put them in their current position. RIM was never in a position as strong as Apple is today — no company (save Exxon Mobile) has ever been a position this strong. In fact Apple’s current stock price makes them the most valuable US company today (ahead of Exxon Mobile). Just imagine if iPad 3 is a success, Apple revolutionizes television, and iPhone 5 does better than iPhone 4S? Their potential is huge. If I had the money, I would buy, buy, buy Apple stock. I fully believe it is worth $500 today and will be worth $800 in about a year or two.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:33 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
My NBA analogy above is wrong. The reaction to Apple’s Q4 results was more akin to an mid-season undefeated NBA team winning a game, but failing to cover the point spread set by sports books, and, as a result, sports analysts writing them off a a championship contender.
That’s how stupid the media has been in response to Apple’s results from the previous quarter.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:54 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I love how all Apple fans are loving making Apple the richest corporation worldwide by paying from their own wallet. Huge success, great for all buyers of Apple products who max out their credit cards so that Apple execs can buy Bentleys.
I personally am glad Nokia isn’t now the biggest mobile phone manufacturer as I feel I get value for money every time I buy their products :)
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Did I mention yo ucan get a Lumia free on a 20 pounds a month with 500mb, ulnimited texts and, the more than enough for me, 100 minutes a month. Yes, thank you Apple indeed for bringing value to anyone not buying your products!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You just quoted a carrier subsidy plan. One that works for next to nobody who uses a smart phone actively. Start quoting actual prices for products.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It works for me, I use my mobiles for Internet and texts…I don’t really care how much a handset costs as I, as most other people, buy smartphones on monthly plans. For me 20 pounds for a Lumia or indeed Titan with all the data I will need at 20 quid a month is great value. Considering that 2 years ago I got Nokia E63 at 18 pounds with more or less the same plan, I am really happy for Apple’s progress as it means people who don’t get Apple tend to get great deals!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Great deals on Microsoft and Android phones are not sustainable though. Microsoft is supporting Windows Phone sales through revenue from Windows operating system on the desktop. Android manufacturers are making very little on every phone and therefore cannot afford to support their large number of models with timely software updates. Further, the more product you sell the greater economies of scale you achieve in the supply chain and therefore you can provide more value to your customers at a lower price with improved support. This is what Tim Cook is great at.
To me, this is where Apple’s value resides. Competitors are selling for the comparable prices, providing less support, and building with cheaper materials, providing less storage. Windows Phone is the only exception here because Microsoft is directly helping to market and subsidize the phones with Nokia to buy marketshare. Long term, Windows Phone will have to stand on its own as a profit center.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey, I don’t mind them making profit as long as it is not from my pocket…I truly am happy that Apple exists and sells well as this increases competition! And I, as a consumer, don’t really care why I get a WP7 so cheap as long as I get it. Next year it might be more pricey but there is always going to be some bargain I can buy – this bargain is never an iPhone though :)
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Good point… Somebody will always be trying to gain market share by offering cheaper prices. Amazon is doing this with the Kindle product line. So point well taken. This is certainly another way to get value and potentially the cheapest prices. I hope Windows Phone catches on though and Microsoft does make it a profit center. It is way to nice to go the way of Web OS.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple’s products are not over-priced. They are just selling well. One thing you learn in economics is that if you price something to low, you actually can lose sales because you lower its perceived value against the competition. I still want to see a better value than the iPad or MacBook Air. The iPhone 4S is extremely competitive (Galaxy Nexus 16GB is currently prices comparably to the iPhone 4S 32GB) and the iPhone 3GS is free with the iPhone 4 at $99.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 12:58 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
In the UK, for 36 quid/month you get 300 minutes, unlimited text and 1 GB for a iPhone 4…about 50% higher price than Lumia 800 and sorry but I can’t say I like the iPhone 4 than a Lumia 800…
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And you can get a Galxy Nexus S II for 26/month with unlimited texts, 750 mb and 200 minutes. Now tell me the iPhone 4 is better value!
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And there is raw prices from carphonewarehouse:
Lumia – 400p
S II – 460p
4S 16 GB – 500p
Obviously it is more expensive but you have to be mad not to go for one of those pay monthly deals for Android and WP7 as they have very good discounts unlike the 4S.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You don’t have to be mad, you just have to not use price as your #1 purchasing metric.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey for casual users the Lumia does everything they would possibly need. For performance, the S II does everything imaginable. What exactly should I be looking for then?
And value for money is always number one for all sensible people that are not fanboys of a certain brand.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 1:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Go troll elsewhere.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Galaxy Nexus is the comparable phone to the iPhone 4S, not the Galaxy SII. My brother run law just dropped $1400 ($700 each) on two of Galaxy Nexus 16GB devices. That is equivalent to the 32GB iPhone 4S off-contract. But if you want a value iPhone, simply look to the iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4 which sell at free or $99 on contract, or can be had on eBay for less. You can get an iPhone 3GS for $200 with no contract whatsoever.
So yes, there will always be cheaper phones. Those phones will not always provide the best value. If you are looking for a great carrier subsidy plan, then you just need to find whatever phone the carrier has too much stock of and needs to unload. You are correct that it will NOT be the iPhone. You are right that whatever phone has too much stock WILL be the cheapest (can anybody say “HP Touchpad Fire Sale”).
Right now in the USA you can get the HTC Thunderbolt for free if you switch to Verizon and sign up for a two-year contract. It does not mean the Thunderbolt is a great value, just that nobody wants it anymore because of shoddy hardware, no battery life, and frequent crashes.
If you are looking for just “any smartphone” then you will always find a better deal. Heck the iPhone 3GS can outperform the Galaxy S II on many tasks (including overall UI responsiveness). The Lumia 800 is a great phone and if you found it a great deal that is fantastic.
Your original post seems to paint Apple buyers as morons who are just fueling the company’s profits with blind worship.
So let’s set the record straight. Apple customers (not fans) buy Apple products because they provide the best value for the money. Value read as:
- Longest support for each model (30+ months for iPhone 3GS)
- Knowledgeable retail store staff to assist you
- Great customer support
- Great after-market accessory selection
- Great battery life
- Best smartphone cameras (iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S)
- Incredibly Stable OS (my wife had 1 OS freeze in 3 years, I’ve had maybe 5)
- Best Selection of Quality Apps
- Reasonable/Competitive Pricing
- Incredibly easy to use
If you only care about “best price”, then there will always be a cheaper phone that the carrier cannot unload without some huge subsidy. But don’t go painting Apple customers as idiots because you fail to understand the concept of “value for your money”. As they say, you get what you pay for.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OK:
- 1 year warranty in UK.
- Don’t care about that, I’ve got internet which is 100 times more informative on technology than a salesman.
- From what I’ve heard yes.
- True. But those are not free.
- Not better than WP. Android is terrible as far as I know.
- Don’t care too much about that, some do. For me the Lumia or Android’s are good enough.
- WP is at same level, as far as I know Android isn’t.
- True, but they are more expensive, too!
- Higher prices than anything with the same sort of package.
- True. But some poeple prefer customization of Android.
Why did you not mention any negatives of iPhone though? You said stop trolling, but you mention all the positives and none of the negatives like apps prices, lack of customisation, lack of flash support, good file manager, can you make skype calls (genuine question – I thought not) … probably forgetting some other ones, but I am not a user so I would’t remember all anyway.
I stand behind my initial comment – why would anyone be happy that a service that they are paying for is making high margins!? Why would I be happy that say British Airways is making massive amounts of money if I am travelling with them twice a week – this only means I must be paying more than I should.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You stance is incredibly shaky here. You made the point that “Apple fans” are just lining Apple’s products for overpriced gadgets. Of course there are negatives to every product and reasons to prefer something else. Just because you prefer something else does not mean everybody else is a blind idiot making cash deposits with Apple to purchase garbage. I don’t need to point out the negatives in Apple’s products because I was showing why people WOULD buy Apple’s products. I can make a list of why they would not as well. Android and Windows Phone are completely valid choices.
Incidentally, I find “No Flash Support” as an absolute bonus on Apple’s side. So glad my phone does not constantly crash or run out of battery. Adobe finally admitted that mobile flash is not a good idea either.
The reason folks are happy that Apple makes high margins is because you can produce a quality product for a reasonable price and still make money on it. Apple could undercut its competitors and pass the savings on to consumers. They could do it to the point where their competitors would no longer be able to profit in the smartphone arena (i.e.: if Apple only made $7 per phone like Samsung). This could be problematic for them, and Apple knows that is a card you save for when you have to play it (i.e.: the “race to the bottom” card). Why?
- Right now Apple can afford to pre-pay for components for years at lower prices. They are reducing their costs to increase profits rather than reducing their prices. This means you get better components at the same price the competitors are selling garbage (e.g.: Retina Display and cameras in iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S or more storage for the same money).
- Apple knows that if they squeezed the competition through dumping and became a monopoly player they would get regulated by the US Government. In this sense, Android helps Apple to maintain control on the App Store and do other things because their market share does not justify regulation.
- Apple knows that a super-low price is perceived by consumers and indicating less value in the phone. You get what you pay for mentality sets in. And people choose the more expensive non-Apple products because the sales people push them that way for larger commissions or because they perceive it must be better if it costs more. Lowest price worked for iPad because it was a barrier of entry for competitors since there were no viable competitors — same for MacBook Air.
- A healthy Apple means that they have the leverage to make things better and make the platform succeed. Nobody wants to buy into a platform that is not going to be around for the long term or become a “niche”.
- More money means Apple can offer fantastic support. Recently I dropped my iPad 2 64GB and bent the corner causing a gap between the glass and the backing. Apple’s first response was that it costs $400 to replace it with a new one and they would take my old one to refurbish it. I pointed out to Apple’s phone support how that seemed exorbitant since they would resell the refurb as well. He agreed with me and said he would create two support tickets. One to be reviewed by the folks who decide such policy (possibly to offer AppleCare+ on iPad) and one to send to the local Apple Store to have them give me a new iPad 2 at no cost. Also, if you drop an iPhone 4 or iPhone 4S and break the glass, Apple will replace it in the store for $30. Try getting that level of support with Samsung or HTC or Sony. Maybe Nokia offers that kind of support, but certainly Palm did not when I owned their devices.
- More profits per device mean more incentive to support those devices longer. Apple is not taking are money and then giving us planned obsolesce in 4 months with a new version and abandonment of the last version. They are selling you a phone with software upgrades for at least two years or more. Competitors cannot justify support of old devices because those old devices did not make them enough money to justify it.
As long as Apple is giving me my money’s worth and a high-value product I am good. I believe that Apple is still holding the price-slashing card in their hand and could introduce cheaper entry-level products to consume the lower-end market as well, but they are hardly ripping people off either. Apple has found a great balance in satisfying its investors as well as its customers through value in the supply chain, minimal models, and regular not-too-frequent releases.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Good points, I’d never argue against two things:
1. Apple know who to make money.
2. Apple does customer support well.
3. You won’t get anywhere near the same support on an Android device.
Yes, Nokia does offer similar customer support, that’s why I’ve been with them for ages now (on the bloody old Symbian and finally will upgrade to a proper smartphone due to finally getting a good OS at an affordable price and plan). Btw, I’ve dropped my E64 at least 50 times – not even a scratch. That is what I call quality :)
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve dropped my iPhone 3GS many times without problems. The glass back feels nice on a 4S, but glass scares me on a drop even though folks have dropped them without a break. My Palm Treo dropped many times without break, but the plastic screen was scratched so badly it was horrible. Every phone should have scratch-resistant glass screen, but this also means every phone can have broken glass.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, I can only hope Lumias share the same quality as old Nokias as they were made in Finland and Lumias come form east asia, which is never good news but time will tell. How did you break it then, must have been a special sort of drop…?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I love how much it bothers you that the iPhone is selling twenty times the units of the Lumia.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I work for neither Windows, nor Nokia. Why would it bother me? I said at least 4 times that I am quite happy with the situation right now from the point of view of the not so pretentious customer. If you have nothing to say, then keep quiet…Troll.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What is obvious is that you love your Windows Phone and that you think that owning one somehow makes you better and smarter than iPhone buyers. I believe that is the definition of “pretentious”.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t have a WP (yet), I am planning to buy one in couple of months when my current contract runs out as they are dirt cheap. If someone offers me an iPhone at a similar price, I’d be more than happy to consider it, but I doubt anyone would :)
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Good luck with that. I expect Windows Phone to do well later in the year once Windows 8 comes out on tablets. Once demand increases, carriers won’t be so quick to unload stock unless Microsoft and Nokia continue to offer promotions to carriers to push them. I for one hope Microsoft succeeds with Windows Phone because it is awesome. Dirt cheap is great until they stop making new versions and you can’t buy any apps. Just ask anybody who went with Web OS. The only use for an HP Touch Pad today is to install Android 4.0 on it and get access to modern apps and supported software.
If you buy lots of apps (like me), then a smartphone platform is an investment for years to come. You want to pick a winner. I had a hard time choosing between the out-of-the-box value of a Palm Pre and iPhone 3GS in 2009. Palm Pre included GPS turn-by-turn (but required network to do it). I opted to go with iPhone and get a GPS app that included maps on the device for off-network access. Also was not a fan of the Pre’s landscape mode making the keyboard awkward. Ultimately, I was very grateful I went with iPhone, because I invested in apps and accessories that are still useful to me today.
If you are only going to download a handful of free or cheap apps, then you can switch smartphones whenever you want and pick whatever platform or model is struggling the most. I personally think the world is a better place where Microsoft succeeds with Windows Phone and does not have to offer insane promotions to drive it into consumer hands. I hope they have double-digit share of the market by the end of the year.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I am sorry but you can’t compare the just recovering from the previous shambles Windows Mobile WP7/8 with Web OS (this one was doomed from the beginning). Microsoft is pushing it hard and with Nokia and MS resources they will gain enough marketshare – the price is too good and they will build an ecosystem even though it is going to cost them a lot in the short term.. I know apps are not a lot, but compared to a Symbian it would be a sea of greatness for me (especially browser-wise). I don’t plan to use many of them anyway – I am exactly the sort of consumer WP is targeted at – not very demanding apps-wise with first SPhone experience. But a good browser is a must! As far as I know WP’s one is sort of OK so I’m happy with the offer.
I really doubt double digit in 2012. Next year with W8 it is a sure thing that they will have double digit smartphone and tablet OS marketshare.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Certainly Windows Phone has more backing that Web OS ever did. But Web OS made some awesome innovations in touch interfaces, many of which we now see in Android 4.0 (thanks to Duarte’s new position with Google).
The backing behind Windows Phone is why Cook says “There is always a horse that will get up and run in Redmond”. Microsoft has the resources to make Windows Phone great even if it takes time to get there.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I count at least 14 of your posts strongly pushing either Nokia or WP7 or the lumia specifically in this thread, which has nothing to do with Nokia or WP7 or the Lumia.
Oh and flagging you for the baseless accusation – have a nice day
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So when I say people shouldn’t be happy that they are making Apple THAT rich, I am doing bad to the world? Has the world gone mad? Flag me as much as you want to, couldn’t care less. If Apple offer me something similar at a similar deal in the UK, I’d push for them. They don’t so what do you expect me to do? As far as I can see my initial post is on topic and the discussion just went off a bit.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Or let me put it that way:
Lumia 800 vs iPhone 3GS 8 GB is the same contract price with the same data you get…so why on would I buy Apple’s primitive phone compared to a newly released WP with much better specs as per a single comparison:
http://www.esato.com/phones/compare.php?phone=460&cp=877
(you don’t even get 16 GB, but 8 GB at that price.)
Can you please open your eyes for once and tell me which phone is better at that price? Hey if I needed a high-end phone and could afford it, I’d probably go iPhone as I am not a fan of Anrdoid’s high end models as I believe they are overpriced, too. But lower-end iPhone deals in Europe at least are TERRIBLE.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:31 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Fair point but you do have to consider things like ecosystem too.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I defy you to point out one of the Executive Team at Apple that rides around in a ‘Bentley’ like some kind of wannabe gangsta…Pfft.. are you serious?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 7:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes I am. What do you think they drive with such profits? Ford Fiestas? Did you read how much their CEO was awarded last year (some massive amounts in hundreds of millions in share price)? Do you really think the rest of the execs get nothing? They get plenty, that is how the system works when a corp is making dozens of billions in a single quarter. But I don’t blame execs, they are doing their job (and quite well!), I blame the people obsessed with buying Apple (no matter what you tell me about Apple’s customer base – I’d still say that would be about 50% of all sales, with the rest from people that actually need and can afford the device).
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Did you read how many years it took till it vested?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:58 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
For skype, I meant over wifi?
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Nexus is 510p in UK, more expensive than the iPhone sim-free…but it is a better phone so 20 pounds is OK. I never said Samsungs are not overpriced btw, I think they are (high end models) and I wouldn’t pay that much for one.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 2:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You say “better phone” like its a fact. Every review has put these phones as equals with the caveat of “unless you want a better app and media and accessory ecosystem”. So aside from the ecosystem the phones are pretty much equal and come down to personal preference, yet you justify the Galaxy Nexus’ higher price because you think its a better phone and you regard buyers of iPhone as people paying for overpriced gadgets.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In UK at least you get them on the same contract for Orange – Nexus is 36 p/m, 4S 16 GB is 41 p/m. Depends on how you buy it, contract deals here are not good for iPhones and that is what matters as more people buy this way.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Contracts are all the same in the US regardless of phone. Many folks on these forums report that in most countries outside the US and UK, people do not even rely on carrier subsidies, but pay full price for the device off-contract.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yep, it was like that where I come from (Bulgaria), but now even there the situation is starting to change to free phones on a contract. UK is like that already, but here you have the freedom to choose contracts and match what you need (for example I don’t need many minutes but a lot of internet traffic) and thus you can find more suitable deals. US system is quite crappy in my personal opinion.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Look, many things you have said, I see as a valid point of view. I only take issue with this statement:
Personally I buy nothing on credit — I save up to buy the things I want. I see Apple as one of the best providers of value for my money. So to characterize Apple Fans (aka: customers) the way you have is argumentative and insulting. If Apple doing well helps you to get an alternative device at a better deal, than that is fantastic. Just don’t insult Apple customers in the process. If you stand behind that quoted statement then I have to disagree with you. If you can admit that your statement was overly stereotypical and judgmental, and that you simply believe that Apple doing well has the side effect of giving you better or equivalent options at a less expensive price, then I can respect that.
Apple is clearly not the only option, but customer loyalty has been around long before the term “fanboy” and it is usually derived by making great products at competitive pricing and providing great customer service. I think that is why Apple has repeat business and high customer satisfaction. Sure there is a minority out there who will buy a rock with an engraved Apple logo for $200 and place it on their shelf for all the world to see. That minority of irrational folks do not drive the kind of sales that Apple is seeing.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I realize there are many people that buy iPhone/iPad because they really need them and can afford it but apple customer have a reputation of rush-buying, always getting the newest device even though your previous one is perfectly fine, buying on credit without thinking about their real needs, etc. The problem is less obvious with Androids. That is the problem, – and this is my frustration with Apple products, many customers don’t buy it because they need it but because it’s fashionable and that’s where Apple makes serious money. Nothing against Apple in that matter, they offer a product, they don’t force it (well except with constant ads but that’s ok) – the problem is in some of the consumers’ mindset, which I can’t find to be OK. As the problem is that exactly those people that have bough the iPhone for the fashion factor will then go and say “yey, Apple is making billions with my money”… reasonable costumers are less likely to be happy with Apple’s margins than true fanboys…and that’s where my frustration with the consumers comes (some of them, obviously not all) – nothing against the actual products, as I said they are good for the industry.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 3:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Most Apple customers I know do not fit that stereotype at all, though it is popular among Apple’s detractors. The mere fact that Apple only offers one new version per year means limited upgrades. I hold my iPhone for two years (or more) before selling it and buying the new one because of the carrier contract. So far I have sold my previous iPad and bought the iPad 2 (not sure about this year though). In both cases it makes sense because the resale value is so high.
Most folks I know are content with their iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4 or their old iPod Touch or iPad first-generation. All tech gadgets get upgraded, but the “fashion statement” stereotype is a characterization that came about primarily because non-tech-savvy people took to the Mac and then the iPhone because of ease of use. The opinion formed that “they are buying it, but they don’t even know what’s good about it”. That’s not entirely true since those folks by and large bought it because what was good about was that they could actually use it without having expert knowledge.
It’s easy to ridicule somebody who clearly does not understand the technical advantages of their gadget because they cannot justify their purchasing decision. However, what is missed (that Apple knows) is that they purchased it because they were delighted by how it worked and how easy it was to use. Same reasoning in comparing a Honda to Chevy. I can order the exact Chevy I want and make it out-perform the Honda. However, Honda produces a vehicle that the masses can understand without hundreds of options to choose from. Honda owners don’t buy Hondas because they know what makes their cars technically better. They just know that the buying experience was painless (with the exception of some dealers), the car ran well with little problems, and it had a good resale value. And so they buy another Honda.
It’s still fun to get and show off your new car, just like it is fun to get and show off a new gadget, but its not what drives you to buy one. The “ease of use” factor is why I think Windows Phone will succeed. Microsoft has totally nailed the “ease of use” in just about every aspect of Windows Phone. I think that price and hardware being equal, most smartphone consumers would choose iOS or Windows Phone over Android simply because they can jump right into to what they want to do with very little knowledge. The mere fact that I need widgets in Android to shut off functions to conserve battery is problematic for most users. The non-tech user does not understand how “multitasking” and GPS can affect battery life. They don’t understand the 5 options on HTC Thunderbolt for choosing between CDMA, 2G and LTE (heck I did not understand some of them). But they have to mess with this stuff to prevent a problem they do understand…. their phone runs out of battery too quickly.
I could do well with an Android 4.0, iOS 5.0 or Mango phone. But if I was recommending to somebody else who was not tech-savvy I would still recommend iOS or Mango. The non-tech savvy user is going to get a stereotype, but they are also going to drive mass sales because they represent the majority of the market. This means that folks like you and me are not the ones who are going to make these platforms successful. Folks who have no idea what we are talking about on these forums are going to do that.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 4:18 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You’ve reached the bottom of the page. congratulations.
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 5:22 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Not anymore…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
After the lawsuit, how much of the revenue is going to Nokia again?…
Posted on Jan 25, 2012 | 8:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They received 200million EUR in IPR according to their results in this quarter, so even if it was all from Apple, not all that much. Most likely only around half of it was from Apple.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 12:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think you mean up 28%. If iPhone sales went up 128% there’d be more than twice as many iPhones as last quarter.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The 128% number is correct, but that’s not the increase over last quarter. It’s the increase over the same (holiday) quarter from last year.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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