For the conscience-laden music consumer, streaming music services present an interesting quandary. By separating the concept of "legal access to music" from the age-old paradigm of "paying the artist for an entire song or album," they've presented us with a whole new set of ethical dilemmas to worry about. Instead of buying your music, you pay a subscription fee that is in some way filtered down from Spotify to record label to artist, based on some opaque algorithm of pay-per-play, which is based on some opaque deal struck between the label and Spotify, and then the label's opaque individual contract with each of its artists.
I suppose what I really want is some sort of "free range" sticker slapped on my music consumption, so that I know the artist was ethically treated in this transaction. Unfortunately, the current state of the industry is rife with finger-pointing, and I have no idea who devours — and who's getting screwed out of — the $9.99 I drop into this darkened pool every month.
What I do know for a fact is that some artists aren't happy with streaming services. Notable pullouts include Coldplay, Adele, and the Black Keys (each of whom have removed their most recent albums from one or all of the services), while many artists and catalogs have never been available at all.
The telling quote to me is from the Black Keys interview where they explained their decision to pull their new album, El Camino, from streaming. "I always pay for music," says Patrick Karney, the drummer and apparent spokesman for the band, as if to say that paying for a streaming service is different than paying an artist for music.
He goes on to say that "there's a lot of stuff about some of these services that a lot of people don't really know," and that deals are "more fair" for labels than artists. This lack of knowledge is a big hangup for a lot of the parties involved, and before we can all embrace the beautiful future that streaming services provide, it might be nice if somebody could clarify who exactly these deals are "more fair" for.
I spoke with the CEOs of Rdio and MOG about this, and neither could shed much light on these mysterious deals. Their agreements with labels are mostly confidential, and the payout contracts labels have with artists differ artist-to-artist. One problem is that song royalties aren't the only money that's changing hands — services pay for exclusivity, and labels cut deals to get their artists more heavily promoted by a service, and those upfront costs and windfalls may or may not be passed along to artists.
Still, the general consensus from everybody I talked to is that a "larger revenue pie" in music can only be a good thing, as long as it's distributed well. "The average iTunes consumer spends $40 a year," says MOG CEO David Hyman, "of which the labels are getting about 60-70%." In comparison, labels get 65% or so of MOG's income, which is $10 a month for a premium subscription (though $5 subscriptions and a free service are also available).
The average American spends only $17 a year on music
"I have my own black hole in knowledge when it comes to individual deals between artists and labels," admits David, "but I do know that the content owners, the labels and the publishers, are getting a lot more money out of these subscription services than they're getting from iTunes."
Things look even better for streaming services when you consider that the average American spends only $17 a year on music, a number cited to me by an indie label executive who wished to remain anonymous. "If you get more folks spending $17 a month on music," he says, "there's a bigger pot of money to split up and it lets us use the power of our own marketing rather than gatekeepers to develop fans and convert that most precious commodity — attention — into revenue, however that consumer might choose to engage."
The word "attention" is very important, because while many people get hung up on straight revenue (you know, people who like making money), streaming services are also a perfect place for artists to be discovered, and subsequently promoted, by people who wouldn't risk buying their album blind. Of course, that's the line piracy proponents have been pushing for a decade, but when you combine painless exploration with an actual "revenue pie" to be divied up, things get very exciting for the future of music.
My indie exec says Spotify is already "a top revenue account worldwide," along with YouTube. "But they are also promotional. That's why this is all so interesting... a video on the home page of YouTube is a incredible promotion, but it's also cha-chinging." I don't know what the word "cha-chinging" means in labelspeak, but it sounds like a positive adjective.
In fact, the primary "cha-chinging" innovation in streaming services right now is all centered around discovery. According to David, the internal mantra at his company is that "MOG does the work for you." They personalize the home screen based on personal interests, and have been working hard on their radio algorithms, monitoring tracks you skip and favorite, and working in deeper cuts over time from artists you like. If it sounds a lot like Pandora, that's probably intentional.

MOG's home screen, with recommendations based on my Facebook likes.
Spotify is doing similar work on "radio" playback. "Radio contributes to the overall music discovery experience," a Spotify representative told me, "which is why Spotify Radio has recently undergone a top-to-bottom overhaul making it a bigger, smarter and an altogether cooler music discovery experience."
Rdio's on board as well: "Passive listening is something that's critical in the overall experience," says Drew Larner, the service's CEO.
Rdio's home screen, emphasizing popular albums among my friends.
Despite Pandora's big head start, the huge libraries and lack of radio-style licensing restrictions on for-pay streaming services means there's a ton of opportunity here to offer something people have never heard before — namely, everything. And the seamless operation is a big leg up on ad hoc music piracy: "Even if 14 million songs were free, people would still gravitate to radio services," says David. "I hate to say it, but my mom listens to the music stations that come with her cable TV."
Still, as these services grow to prominence, they're outmatched by iTunes in terms of library control and management. Of the "Facebook wave" of streaming services (Spotify, Rdio, MOG), only Spotify offers a local app that can play regular MP3s, while Rdio and MOG live entirely in the cloud. Both CEOs admitted to me that they consider making a move to offer a "locker service" like Google Music, Amazon, or iTunes, on a regular basis, but that they have other priorities right now.
"[Rdio's] hope is that in time it's not going to be necessary," says Drew. That hope is a hope in the magic of "scale," and a dream that everything anybody would want to listen to will be available for streaming. Having a 14 million song library can do wonders for a streaming service CEO's self confidence.
"It's been on [MOG's] roadmap for years, but it's always the bastard child that never gets done, because there are almost more important things that we end up doing" says David. What's more interesting for MOG is the possibility of scanning local collections to further improve recommendations, and David doesn't think it's that hard to just switch apps when you want to get your music from a different source.
"The best chance we have for interoperability is Facebook"
Something else that isn't being addressed just yet is playlist lock-in. In the beginning there were iTunes playlists and burned CDs, but these days I have dozens of playlists across Rdio, Spotify, MOG, iTunes, and Rhapsody (I admit, I have a bit of a loyalty problem). It's even worse when I consider all the playlists my friends have made on services I'm not on that I therefore don't have access to. I've been trying to wean myself off Rdio this week in favor of Spotify's superior, hiccup-free playback, but losing the ambient recommendations of my peers (most of which use Rdio) is really troubling.
I asked Drew if Rdio was looking into helping me move to Spotify, and he didn't seem very interested: "From a competitive standpoint, why would we do that?"
MOG sees the need, but David says that all efforts at a single standard for playlists (I'm not sure which efforts he's referring to, he admits that the streaming CEOs don't chat regularly) have all failed in the past. "The best chance we have for interoperability is Facebook," he says. He seems to be right. While my highly curated Rdio friends list can't follow me everywhere, it's hard to go anywhere on the internet these days without knowing what my general Facebooks friends list is listening to right now.
Cannibalization claims are 'absolutely bogus'
While music streaming services aren't a "new" idea in internet years, they've really brought serious change to the industry in the past year or so. Perhaps part of the problem with understanding that change is that it's different place to place, and artist to artist. Even the Black Keys admit that streaming services are great for discovering smaller artists, while larger artists like themselves don't necessarily need the exposure. Of course, while that dissension gets a lot of exposure, it's a minority view — in fact, a good number of the notable holdouts, like Metallica, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Gillian Welch, and the Black Keys themselves, are all represented by a single management company called Q Prime, who is rumored to have a dispute with labels over the streaming deals. I reached out to Q Prime for comment, but didn't receive a response.
A recent study by analyst group NPD, which came to the obvious conclusion that streaming services like Spotify discourage the purchase of music in other formats, prompted STHoldings to pull more than 200 labels of music from streaming services — mostly in electronic music genres, in case you didn't notice the disappearance. Meanwhile, Universal Music Group's Rob Wells, who is a client of NPD, says that cannibalization claims are "absolutely bogus," and that each of the bands it's been tracking on Spotify over the last six months "has earned more money from its album being on Spotify than it has from being on any other services."
While the debate still rages in the US, in countries like Spain and Sweden where piracy had totally destroyed commercial music distribution, streaming services have been an unqualified godsend — creating significant revenue where there was none.
Hopefully we'll eventually get more transparency about how these deals work. Widespread piracy has caused so much outcry from labels and artists, so it would be nice if widespread monetization could get some more vocal proponents from the same camp. In the meantime, the hope is that someday soon artists won't have to step out in faith when putting their music up on Rdio or Spotify or MOG, betting their paychecks on streaming services making them more money than iTunes and physical sales alone — it'll just be fact.

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I’m guessing Zune and Music Unlimited no longer exist?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:38 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
also i thought rhapsody had an unlimited music thing.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:50 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’ve used everything (except for Sony’s service), but Rdio, Spotify and MOG are the big three in my opinion:
1. Great (or at least usable) mobile and desktop apps.
2. Were partners in the Facebook thing.
3. Have very similar, very big libraries.
4. Dominate the conversation and are most interoperable (share links).
5. 100% cross platform.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:55 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
I still fail to understand why Rhapsody is consistently overlooked as part of this “big-three” group. I think it more or less fits most of the criteria (except perhaps #4 but I think that’s a recursive argument) and it was also around years before these other services.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I’ve used all 4 and Rhapsody is the best all-around package. 192kbit/s Var. ACC is pretty decent, but their selection is tops, especially for Jazz/Classical/non-western music. They always are lacking in app development, but are now pretty well off for android, ios, web. Their standalone app is still rather clunky. Still, content is king, and Rhapsody is top.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:42 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
From what I rememebr, Rhapsody has no discovery and Spotify (sometimes) and MOG have 320kbps streams, which is the minimum I would like to listen at.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would love a blind test to see just how many people can hear the difference between 192kbit var ACC and FLAC, let alone 320kbit mp3. I’ve done it with some of my friends on some really nice equipment, and they are usually all over the place, almost seemingly random.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:29 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
I might be able to tell just barely between 320 and FLAC but 192 vs FLAC most likely, like if it was music that actually had stuff to be derived from higher bitrates, like mainstream basic hip hop doesn’t really, just a drum beat and vocals (there would be clarity differences though maybe) but jazz on the other hand, well yeah
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:43 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Rhapsody absolutely does have options for music discovery. They make it really easy to see new releases by genre and sub-genre, generate artist radio stations that play an artist and similar artists’ music (tho not as well as Mog does), have a similar artist listing for each artist, and also have a very wide ranging selection of curated radio stations built around genres and/or moods.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 8:07 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I meant discovery as in recommendations, and the artist radio stations might be good, and similar artists listings are something I love to have. I’d be all in on Rdio if only they recommended based on your library, NOT your recents list. When you play an album that sucks, try another one similar just to try it, and get really deep into a bunch of crap albums you have to re listen to some stuff you like to get back on track. More importantly IMO it wastes my time when it feeds me a bunch of crap irrelevant to what I own
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 7:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Rhapsody has discovery, as in recommendations.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 4:08 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
spotify now has an INCREDIBLE classical content. (supposedly) entire naxos catalog, tonnes of other UK/international classical labels and smaller ones, discs you wouldn’t necessarily expect…..srsly try it out, I’m ignorant of rhapsody’s selection but I’m sure spotify’s is overall better than it now…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:06 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
MOG doesn’t have a Windows Phone app so shouldn’t qualify then. Zune also has a larger library than any of those 3. Plus as MOG and Rdio are US only I’m sure more people are talking about worldwide alternatives as not everyone lives in the US.
Also what does Facebook have to do with any of it? Will products that don’t have Facebook integration now have that as a negative?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:55 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Did you read the article? It should be obvious what facebook has to with it since he talked about it.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:32 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
And oh its you again…what a surprise troll…didnt notice who i was responding to til it was too late.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Zune shouldn’t be anywhere because it doesn’t have a mobile app on any mobile OS except microsoft’s so…screw them
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
6. Doesn’t pay artists a fraction of what they should be getting.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 8:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I personally love Rhapsody. I don’t understand why it is so over looked. I tried Spotify, but Rhapsody had a much better library selection, maybe even a bit bigger. Rhapsody’s apps aren’t as perfect, but they have organization down much better. Spotify has horrible organization on mobile devices. Rhapsody is very fluid throughout. They don’t have a mac app, but their web service works perfect for me. Sounds great too. I really wish people would give it a chance.. Its always overlooked. :(
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 4:11 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Zune is still around, I use it almost everyday. Since they discontinued the Zune line however, it can only really pick up new subscribers from people who buy into the WP7 ecosystem
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:56 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Same here.
Rant:
MS should think about revising their Zune integration into XBox 360. I was recently dismayed to find out I need XBox Live Gold on the stupid console to listen to my goddamn Zune Pass stuff on the XBox. I’m already paying for the sub, motherfrackers! Why do I also have to pay you two different ways?! Zune and XBox Live are even on the same division within MS!!
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:27 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Live needs to go for ALL subscription services: Zune Pass, Netflix, Hulu, etc. It’s totally bogus.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:45 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Agreed. It’s f’ing bullshit. I am completely against the whole XBox Live paid scheme (scam is more like it). MS cripples stuff you are already paying for; games bought for XBox 360 cost the same as for PS3, yet you have to pay more on XBox in order to play online; you already pay for all these sub services to their respective companies, but have to pay MS some more dough so you can stream them through XBox, etc. Sure, XBox Live offers some extra capabilities, like cross-game chat and such, but they shouldn’t extort more money out of you for other stuff you’re already paying for.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:02 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think charging something for online is justified since they perform maintenance to keep everything running well, and well the LulzSec vs. Sony battle speaks for itself on security ;)
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:45 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
WE NEED EDIT BUTTON! But Live is kinda overpriced for what it is
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:46 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The $5 I pay per month for Xbox Live is totally worth it to me. I love having so many video options (such as ESPN) available. And it lets me listen to Last.fm without any extra charge. There’s a lot more that falls under the Live umbrella that lumped together for the small price of entry.
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 5:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If Microsoft ticks off the right people enough they will get brought down just like every single other internet company on the planet.
I mean really. Microsoft has big servers, but so does Sony, and Microsoft has never been known for being a secure company.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 1:02 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
again with this… look. Xbox Live is a premium service (for that matter, so is Zune). If you want access to premium content, pay the service charge. If you don’t, go elsewhere. This has gone on far too long. Anyone who spends even a 75-25 percent split between Xbox and PS can tell you that the online experiences are just plain different. I prefer things being integrated therefore I side with the MS side of the world. If you don’t appreciate what they do, then I respect your position but I respectfully disagree.
Personally speaking, I thoroughly hate seeing people complain about subscription services. NO ONE would want to see a pay-as-go/pay-as-you-consume method for online gaming (for those people who remember AOL premium games like SplatterBall and MageStorm, go hug your wallets now).
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 12:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My complaint is not about subscription services in general. My complaint is about MS locking certain content that you’re already paying for from playing it on the XBox 360 unless you get XBL Gold.
Example: I pay for Zune Pass already, so why should I also have to pay for XBox Live Gold in order to use the Zune app on my XBox 360 if I don’t really use any of the other XBox Live features…
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 7:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
because you still access/download the app via their servers.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 9:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If you stream your Zune Pass music to the dashboard player from your PC you don’t need Gold.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, but the interface is not the same. That basically uses the PC as a media server.
I haven’t done that in a while. Do you know if doing it that way actually lets you play the Zune Pass music (meaning, the stuff you don’t own)?
I just plugged my Zune directly to my receiver.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, you can listen to Zune Pass subscription music using the built-in player. In some ways it’s better because it’s easier to browse your collection, and you can listen to music while doing other things on the Xbox (as opposed to remaining in the Zune app). Unfortunately, the interface is nowhere near as nice from an aesthetic standpoint, and you can’t use features like Smart DJ or Smart VJ.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s $35 today for an XBL year subscription, get on that!
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:10 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Please tell us how to get that deal
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:30 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Read the verge. They had a post (at least I know they tweeted about it).
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:46 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
newegg had the subscriptions for 36 bucks last week.
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 12:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Also, I was heartbroken when I saw the Xbox and Zune interface only worked with Pass stuff, not my personal library :(
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nope. Zune and Music Unlimited are still here. And here to say for now.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 6:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
good call, el camino is definitely available via zune pass
proof: twitpic.com/8cybdn
such is life, the MS product that was around for a long time gets overlooked.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 8:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Playlist lock-in is brutal.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:44 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I know, I have a gajillion playlists on Grooveshark, and have tried and failed repeatedly to get on another service. Grooveshark’s days are numbered it seems.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:49 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s a pain moving from one service to any other service. Why can’t I move my Pandora favorites to freely to Spotify or Rdio?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Actually there’s a chrome extension that does that: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cgkmfkggcmoclhipfkabaemflflellek?hl=en-US and if you’re looking for more Spotify ‘tools’ Lifehacker has a list: http://lifehacker.com/5821396/the-essential-spotify-tools
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:15 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Hah, cool. Still, it’s crazy that we have to rely on hacks and extensions to get this stuff to work.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 9:21 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Even if companies want to have tools like this they usually don’t have enough resources to make it happen because it’s not enough of a priority (unless your name starts with a “Goo” and ends with a “gle”).
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Really? Why?
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 6:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m sure he just forgot to mention the content producers and that they too get more money from subscriptions than from iTunes.
Ultimately they’re reducing the most successfully democratised form of art to a commodity that’s not even worth owning. I wouldn’t call that saving the music industry.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:46 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Amen. Someone had to say it.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:58 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Not from Spotify they don’t. That’s pure bullshit.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:08 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Hi, my cd baby account says your totally full of shit.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 8:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In what way are democratized and commodity incompatible? If anything the commoditization of something makes it cheaper and more available for “the masses”.
For me, a lot of music is shite that is definitely not worth owning, but I have bought more music in the last 6 months with Amazon $5 albums than I purchased in the 6 years before that.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 10:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Before getting my Zunepass I never bought music online other than a single or two from artists I loved. Mediafire took care of the rest. Now I legally pay for my music with zunepass so artists could lose out if they pull their albums.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:47 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Zunepass is fucking awesome, it sucks that it’s limited to WP.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:48 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Agreed Zune Pass is amazing. Combined with Windows Phone – honestly the best way I know of to listen to music available in the market today (own an current gen iPhone and an Android device).
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:55 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
It’s awesome…and if an artist pulls their songs or don’t offer them, I download it through a torrent even if I already own it…just on principal…
If the artists want to get paid, ditch the labels and deal directly with the subscription companies…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:23 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
It’s sad they got rid of the 10 free songs thing. I sold my wp because I’m waiting for lumia 900 and using spotify in the meanwhile, I miss my zunepass,
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:31 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I’ve not heard one respectable artist complaining about piracy to be honest. Artits such as Katie Perry and the like don’t count. They’re there to make money purely. The rest of them, at least claim getting rich was a welcome side-effect. Though, they’d still be happier that you’re listening to their music, no matter how it’s acquired.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:48 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Im assuming you mean other than Metallica. They fought kicking and screaming into the 21st century (and i am a fan of theirs), but damn did they just not get it for the longest time.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Any artist who tells you that they don’t care about the money is full of shit.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:33 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I guess it really depends on your needs, but streaming music has never made sense in my mind. If you already have a collection of music, do you honestly buy an entire album’s worth of music every month? It seems like if you’re just paying for what you’re adding to an existing collection than streaming is a rip off, and even if you don’t have an existing collection—at some point you would if you weren’t paying for streaming every month.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:50 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
then*
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve always bought full albums, and I’ve realized that I don’t tend to like artists that don’t put out albums full of quality material. So Spotify kind of pays off for me. For less than the cost of an album I can get whatever I want. The downside is that I don’t actually own it, and as someone who has like 500 albums, this is kind of difficult to come to terms with. But whatever.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:05 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
If you already have a large enough collection of music living on your hard drive/home server and don’t care about music discovery, you could always look into Subsonic (http://www.subsonic.org) that offers both web server playback and mobile streaming through apps for all major platforms for an one time fee of 10€. The only drawbacks are leaving your server on and whether or not you have a sufficient upload speed.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:37 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
And in the USA, most broadband services have pretty asymmetric bandwidth throughput. 20 Mbps down but only 3 Mbps up? Whoopie doo. Now, that’s enough for streaming of course. But what about roommates or family members? They could be streaming, playing video games, trying to video chat… It’s not enough with the massive boom of data usage by the consumer.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:42 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Streaming services are fantastic for discovering new music. I have custom playlists with hundreds and hundreds of songs that I love that would have cost hundreds and hundreds of dollars to buy, even just a song at a time. I listen to more music than ever, across a wider range of genres, and spending much less than I did in the days of using CDs or individual track purchases.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 8:10 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I probably spent $20 a year at most until I signed up for Zune Pass. After using the service for over a year, I finally went ahead and bought a 1 year subscription for $99. I wouldn’t spend $99 a year purchasing music, so yeah, streaming is the way to go if the artists/labels want my money.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:51 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Same here. I don’t think I spent any money on music online until I signed up for a Zune Pass. Now I use it everyday.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:18 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I live in France and use Deezer. I pay 9.90 euros a month which gets me unlimited music streaming ad free on my computer but also (and what I like the most) on mobile devices. I’ve been doing this since last year and it’s great! I haven’t bought music in ages. I can’t really see myself falling back to the old ways any time soon.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Whats A Zune ?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:53 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
What’s an idiot…apparantly you
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:25 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
You have got to be kidding me!! Someone asks a lidgit question and you call them an idiot?
@scottkauppinen – and just in case it wasn’t a rhetorical/sarcastic question …
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:29 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Sorry the link got dropped from my last comment…
What is Zune?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think asking “whats a zune” is starting to become a meme… Want to say I’ve seen it several times now.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:29 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think the real question is “What’s a lidgit?”
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 5:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Paul…Delphic is in your recs image…you should be listening to them…thy are great…and they are on Rdio!
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:54 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Agreed. Delphic is the best. Totally check them out
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:48 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Google Music is where its at. Stream it from any browser, download it to any PC (albeit only three times, but it should teach you to be careful), and artists get what, 70% or something?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
70% of virtually nothing is… virtually nothing minus 30%.
That’s the problem. You can say that artist are getting a better deal with streaming, but that doesn’t mean much when the rate is less than a penny per stream.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:06 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Only $17 a year on music? That seems incredibly low. I just spent $50 just this past month.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:03 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I’ve spent like $5 all through 2011. $1 of that was the Amazon Born This Way album promo. However, I have spent $40 in the last 4 months on Spotify….and I mostly listen to music that would have cost me less than $40. But of there’s any song I want to play..I can pull it up.
My point was your spending, and that of people like you, balances out with people who spend little to nothing on music.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:17 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Amazon’s MP3 Store sales are the only thing that have me spending money on music.
Other than that, it’s Pandora and Grooveshark.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:09 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m curious as to what the breakdown is by age. Older folks are used to spending money on music. I’m sure they’re are a lot of younger people who’ve never spent a dime on a song.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:35 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They’re probably averaging against all Americans, not just American music consumers. It’s like the statistic that the average American only reads one book per year. I don’t know anybody who only reads one book; they either read several or none.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 9:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So does a service like Slacker not even exist? I think it’s the best of all of them. Great Radio/Discovery and you can listen to specific tracks/albums.
It’s a shame they rarely get mentioned.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Pandora, Slacker and Last.FM were interesting when they first came out but now that services are available that let you actually choose the song, not just the genre, most people have moved on. Those services are nice for discovering new music but I don’t think they have the wide use that they once did.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:13 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Slacker also looks like it was designed in 2003.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:16 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
+1
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
beiting, I love Slacker’s discovery tools, but am very disappointed with how tiny their catalog is when it comes to ‘on demand’ listening. I’d consider giving them my money instead if they could bump their music selection up to the size of the others.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 8:12 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Great article. Really good read.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
We shouldn’t vilify the music streamers here. The real villains are the giant labels. They have created an oligopoly that essentially forces upstarts to sign away their content and a lot of their rights in exchange for the hope of sharing their music with others (and also to make some rightly-earned money). The labels have deigned to allow their libraries onto these services which, by many accounts, are unfavorable to the artists. As consumers we should have easy access to the product, that’s just good business, but unfortunately the labels are often not looking out for the interests of the artists.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:12 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Black Keys, if you’re reading this, I bought your album b/c I couldn’t get it on Rdio. And I’m fine with that.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:18 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Hah. It happens! I’ve def bought some albums I couldn’t stream. It’s a real thing.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:24 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Black Keys, if you are reading this, I didn’t buy your album b/c I couldn’t get it on any streaming service. And I’m fine with that.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:44 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Yep. Second that. If I can’t get it on Rdio, I won’t buy it. You had your chance to earn money and you lost it.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:58 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
They be devastated from losing your $0.0000001
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:19 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
If they want to make the largest amount of money possible, they should care.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:58 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Or they can fight for a cause they believe. Like I hope any of us would.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:08 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks for the sarcasm but I think I raise a pretty good point. These labels/artists want to fight piracy but they don’t accept and adapt with new media. That isn’t my problem.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 4:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Ah, so that’s why the Coldplay album isn’t on Spotify. Oh well, their loss – if the album was there I would listen and they would make some small amount of money. If I liked it I would put it in a playlist and listen again a few times and they would like some more. Multiply by the many people that feel roughly the same about them as I do. However, it’s not there, and Spotify offers so much more that I really don’t miss it.
I used to buy about an album a month, sometimes two, very occasionally three. So in total I’m spending less on CD music now than I used to. However, not only is my musical palette now so much wider from having the opportunity to sample things I never would have taken a punt on buying, but I’m spending the extra cash on going to more live gigs for the bands I find and really enjoy. And apparently gigs are the real money-maker for them, is that right?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:19 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Well, this is kinda simple in my vision. Just stop making avaliable new releases for streaming, just like the studios do with movies on Netflix and similar services. It works pretty well.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My CD buying days are over, and with Spotify I can’t see the point for paying per-track. If artists want to make money they need to tour or find some kind of a gimmick to sell their music. Overall, I think the music purchasing thing is over.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:22 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I use Rdio because it’s the only service of the various streaming music offerings that’s available in Canada.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh, Canadians can use CBC Radio 3. It’s super, duper nice.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“While the debate still rages in the US, in countries like Spain and Sweden where piracy had totally destroyed commercial music distribution, streaming services have been an unqualified godsend — creating significant revenue where there was none.”
This. Everytime I read about people actually buying tracks from Amazon or Itunes, and doubting whether to buy physical CDs, I’m reminded this is an American forum.
There is no music market in Spain. CDs plus downloads generate about 10 million euros per month. Meanwhile Spotify has hundreds of thousands of subscriber and must already generate 20-30% of the overall sales + subscription revenue.
All of the problems cited by the article – playlist lock-in, obscure financial data, etc. – are true. This is a young and small industry fragmented into several small players. Even the biggest still generate revenue in the hundreds of millions, not in the billions. But this is absolutely the future.
CDs aren’t coming back. And buying tracks is just an economic ruin – I have 18 million songs for 10 euros a month. I just won’t quit this system for another one that taxes me every time I want to hear something new. Really, when Google announced full song previews in their music store or some stuff like that, I was WTFing – did they really consider that news???
So I guess the problems of streaming/subscription are the typical in any nascent industry.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I still prefer to have physical copies of my music (like a CD), and I’ve gotten into vinyl too.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Can we please stop calling the record industry the music industry they are not one and the same… Infact the publishing industry is bigger and for artists the performance industry is bigger still. The music industry is the healthiest it has ever been. It is the record industry in trouble and even then that equates to the major labels who want to keep the status quo and not the indies who want to innovate.
What is happening is because every niche market is being filled by music it is driving up need for that unique musical experience that only live performance can provide. Infact for the artist the music industry is predominantly one of performance. There is a reason live performances and festivals are booming because that is what audiences what.
Once people get this notion out of there head that the record inudstry is the music industry and look at the big picture they will see how great this industry actually is.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://blog.bandcamp.com/2012/01/03/cheaper-than-free/
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2012/01/digital-music-sales-surpass-cds.html
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2012/120104vinyl
I’ll just leave this here.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Patrick Karney sounds like a little bitch.
‘I always pay for music’
F you, you little prick. People who pay for subs are paying for music. If your deal with the studios is shitty then go take it up with them, don’t try to blame your fans.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:05 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Perhaps he’s addressing the millions of people who use the free version of spotify, or maybe talking about piracy. The quote without the context or the question is pretty useless. If you watch the video in the link he says the reason they pulled themselves from streaming services is because “Streaming services have yet to replace the royalties we’d get from record sales.” I don’t blame them for not wanting to get screwed over.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 6:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He’s obviously talking about piracy.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Watch the whole video
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 6:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/2011-12-13/the-black-keys-discuss-their-controversial-spotify-decision/
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 6:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And this is why paid streaming services will likely always be a niche player in the music industry. Most people just don’t spend that much money on music.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I use the free Spotify, 8tracks, and Zune. Life is good.
8tracks is one of my favorite music services ever. Ever.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
“CDs aren’t coming back. And buying tracks is just an economic ruin – I have 18 million songs for 10 euros a month.”
Except the part where you don’t HAVE anything. You have radio…which is alot like a Podcast, but you’re paying for it. Good job.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:47 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
He has what he wants. Just because what he wants and what you want are not the same does not invalidate the value he places in what he has.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 10:22 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
For me. buying music happens on Amazon, or anywhere I can collect the music in mp3 format. As far as streaming Google Music really does seem like the best option. Upon purchase, the mp3 file is automatically loaded into Google’s cloud and accessible from both my Android phone and tablet, as well as my Chromebook, regular netbook, laptop and desktop via the browser. And all of my playlists from WMP get imported and updated automatically, and I’m pretty sure Google Music does the same with iTunes playlists.
New music? Grooveshark, which is amazing because I can pop in and preview any track I want (that has been graciously uploaded by other anonymous internet peoples) then make purchasing decision from there. If Grooveshark goes down then I guess I could go to Spotify and put up with the listening hours per month is it?
If all else fails, I will resort to what I did a few years ago: extracting Youtube music videos and stripping the audio from them. Because honestly kids, low quality is better than nothing at all.
How does any of this save the music industry?
It doesn’t. They’re pretty much fucked. They’ll just have to deal with it like every other major industry that was usurped by the rise of technology. Doesn’t look like they’ll get very far with their current plan of suing everyone and everything, and shutting down the entire internet because they’re too stubborn, or lazy, or greedy, or all three to actually find a new successful model across the board to not close up shop. Thus is capitalism.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:05 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Paul, why didn’t you analyze Rhapsody and Zune? Do you really think rdio or mog has more users and thus influence?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:35 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
$17 a year? That cannot possibly be right. I likely buy twice that a month.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You have to remember that some of us don’t spend a ton of money on music. I honestly haven’t bought an album in probably 5 years or so. I’ve bought maybe 2 or 3 songs in that time. I don’t steal music, but I abuse the ever living hell out of radio and Last.fm.
I’ve seen aerosmith, muse, zz top, kieth urban, rise against (this weekend) and a few others over that same time period. I’d much rather see a good artist in concert since that’s why they play. I can hear CD’s on the radio.
And I don’t understand this whole “i can pick my own songs, not just a genre” thing. I want music to play while I do other things. Why would I want to spend a lot of time picking my ‘favorite’ tracks?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The entertainment industry in this country has truly been spoiled and definitely needs to be deflated. Congress is standing in the way of it; there’s absolutely no reason why internet radio should be treated differently than traditional, over the air-waves play.
While I’m on the topic of absolutely no reason for shit I may as well rant. Why the hell is there an expectation for an actor or rapper to become million/billionaires? Why do “anchors” make bank while legitimate, investigative journalists fend for scraps?
There are so many players involved in this bullshit and they have the lobbying power to keep the much-needed establishment meltdown from happening (see SOPA).
Just for some perspective, here are the figures for the last year. This does not include interest earned from previously made money and I’m pretty sure it’s off of new income but not 100% on that.
Musicians: ( source )
Actors: ( source )
Actresses: ( source )
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:43 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I have some answers for you: why do anchors and actors make more than real journalists? Because the market values them higher. It’s the same reason you are likely paid a higher wage than the average teacher in America: the society values you higher. BS right?
Also, your figures for compensation are gross figures. This is not what the artists take home. For musical acts, the artists might see 30% of gross after tour costs, venue rentals, agents, crew, taxes, etc. And the same for actors; after agents and taxes they’ll be lucky to see 45% of gross.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:35 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m not sure you’re correct about the take-home part:
“The ageless rockers are wrapping up the most lucrative tour in the history of music: By the time U2’s two-year trek ends this summer, the band will have sold $700 million worth of tickets over two years and played to more than 7 million people.”
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 7:44 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I love when people use salaries or quick pieces of info like this as reasons to justify taking away something form someone. Nobody expects to be millionaires, but they do expect the same fairness that anyone else would expect. Apple just posted a $14 billion profit this quarter. Should they start giving away their product because they are so successful? Same logic.
Also, there are a lot more people that make their living from music/entertainment than just the figurehead musicians/actors. Hundreds of thousands of people make these industries work in every capacity. You are looking at the absolute tip of the iceberg.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:18 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Most of the money made by ‘Actors/Actresses’ (eg. Will Smith) is because they’re also PRODUCERS. That means they put money up to help make the movie, and then get a bigger share of the proceeds on the backend. In other words, it’s a terrible analogy. Go look up how much money Tom Cruise made from the Mission Impossible franchise. That was an INVESTMENT for him.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Its simple economics. Each person in the list above solves a problem that generates multiples of the amount that they receive in take home pay. If I walked out on the street today I could find 1000 people who if I trained up could be nurses or teachers, maybe a few hundred that could be engineers.. but I probably couldnt find 1 person who could do what Bono, Bieber or Will Smith are doing right now.
Bono, Bieber and Will Smith are more than actors and singers. You could call them companies in their own right, with 100’s of staff that make money because of what they central person does. When Bieber drops and album there are tons of engineers, musicians, salesman, tour operators, marketing, sales people etc.. that are all eating because Beiber is doing his thing. Take Bieber out and they dont make money.
We also know its not easy to recreate these stars because everyone and their dog has tried. X-Factor, American Idol, Americas next top model… not to mention all the managers, talent agencies who are working off camera to recreate that “star”.
So its all simple economics. In a capitalist country you get paid for the problem you solve and how unique the problem is, not on its “worth” to society.
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 3:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Very informative article, thank you. I’ve been an avid music collector for years, and my interest was piqued a couple months ago when my friend showed me how he uses Spotify. This article helped me gain insight into how this streaming thing is developing in the industry.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Like several others, can’t believe Rhapsody wasn’t mentioned once in the article. I pay the subscription so I can hear ALL of a song before buying the mp3 (usually from Amazon or Google Music … occasionally iTunes if they have an exclusive). Helpful recommendations & artist info. Also Google Music cloud service is excellent … prefer it over Amazon
cloud.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:32 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
If any of these services added a “donate to the artist button,” I would donate a few buck to my favorite artists. It is basically free money for the artists, and it would make me feel less guilty about listening to these artists for dirt cheap. Also, this may get more artists to hop on the bandwagon
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I recently started buying vinyl. I like the fact that it’s limited. To have all music in the world available to me in just a couple of clicks makes me appreciate music less.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:49 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What are these artists complaining about, they earn tens of millions. Their not worth that much anyway…
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:58 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Musicians!! Get it, the golden era of selling CD’s are long gone! The technology changed your way of getting your money and you really need to talk to your record labels getting new deals that makes streaming services profitable for you! The record labels makes huge money on streaming services these days!
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 5:08 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I really use these services as a supplement to my collection. I listen on here and decide if it is worth buying (I usually just buy digital now). There are plenty of records that I really enjoy that I don’t necessarily feel the need to add to my local library.
I think there are a lot of people out there in my same position — if anything these services are generating sales in some cases and of course getting money from people who might have not otherwise contributed at all in the first place.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 11:41 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
As long as you can only make 3333 tracks offline Spotify can’t replace piracy.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 6:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So they would rather have me pirate their music than pay them anything at all?
I pay $10 a month for a Zune pass and I love it. My illegal intake has gone down about 98%.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 3:18 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’ll admit…i don’t obtain all of my music legitimately. But if the average amarican only spends $17 a year on music then i’m still putting in 10 times as much as the average american. I spend maybe $200 a year on digital music.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 11:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I too get upset when they don’t include rhapsody in these debates. That same thing happened on other tech sites when Spotify was released.
Rhapsody is easliy the best.
Spotify’s free option is nice. but the music is poorly organized and i dont find the discovery features to be anything special. Honestly I don’t use them anyways. But they’re the hot name and allthe cool kids have spotify. I occasionaly use Pandora or Slaker, but I usually prefer to pick my music.
Rhapsody has discovery features, good reviews, good staff playlists, good selection, apps on every mobile platform, WEB STREAMING (vs having to download spotify software).
I tried MOG, didn’t like it as much. I actually like Zune quite a bit because it includes free music videos. It’s great for a party! Unfortunately it doesn’t work with the squeezebox system i have in my huose.
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 10:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Im surprised these “artists” dont call for a ban of their music from Radio waves then….
i don’t believe music should cost anything it is as natural as the elements to me; i dont recall hearing about Mozart suing other musicians from replaying/mimicking his concertos
it is something that should be shared with the world so as to enrich societies lives
the only time that you should be charging for it, if you must, is when performing for an audience
But if an artist feels that their music is deserving of a price tag then so be it but no ones going to want to buy it if they’ve never heard it at all and here in lies the need; the demand; the room for services such as Spotify to exist, no one listens to the radio really anymore, heck people don’t even watch music videos as much anymore.
So artists, imo, should be fully supporting services such as these if their desire is that people will hear and want to purchase their music
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 11:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My feeling is this:
From what I’ve heard from many artists in our local music scene, the money is really in the shows, not the record sales.
Publicity is publicity, period. There have been bands I never would have listened to had they not been sent to me in my Spotify inbox from a friend. I then became a fan, and in many cases have gone to see said bands live.
I have seen many artists I thoroughly enjoyed listening to (namely Asking Alexandria and Sage Francis) publicly BASH Spotify, and opt out of it for monetary concerns. To me, that’s fine, they can continue being greedy. They’re promoting piracy by limiting access to their music. They can be as greedy as they want, but I’m going to be as stingy as possible with my money when it comes to their music. I can go without listening to a few artists, just the same way they can go without making a few extra bucks.
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 5:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So effing sick of having to think about the poor explored artists, the poor labels, the evil labels… Sick of hearing about this. Sick of having to think what will happen. Come on people, sort this out! Work with the technology.
How long do we have to keep being suspicious that we are not rewarding people enough, or not being fair, or not giving the money to the right people?
I used Spotify for a few months and loved it. If some artists don’t think it’s a good deal, yeah, go ahead and remove your stuff until you get a better deal. If there are labels screwing artists on such services, well, the artist signed a bad deal, most certainly. Not the first artist to do so.
Right now I either listen to music via Spotify, or YouTube, or to MP3s… Some of these MP3s may or may not have been downloaded from Megaupload.com (some may or may not have the Creative Commons license!! :P )
BTW VU, Monster Magnet, Bob Dylan… Your friends are cool!
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 8:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
really good read. being a huge music junkie, i’m still the guy that will pay $9.99 for rdio, but when there’s an album that i like…i’ll go out and buy it. not a fan of buying music over iTunes, because i want something tangible if i am paying. i want the artwork, the physical CD. sure, it takes up space, but it’s still something i feel like i need to make the purchase more so than just 12-15 files. oh and better bit rate.
i hope companies like rdio and spotify don’t die, because music discovery is a necessity. some people wouldn’t even know who or what the black keys are,/sound like if it wasn’t for coming across it on their streaming accounts. it allows for people to really discover and search for new music – artists and genres.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If I was told “$15 a month to music industry and you can download music online without a chance of getting in trouble.” I would do it. Another $15 for movies and TV and it’d be awesome.
And by this, I mean all you’d be getting is free-reign on the torrent sites. It would just be that if your ISP saw you downloading a movie, they’d not do anything because you opted in to pay the “music and movie tax” (sort of like how CDs had the music tax"
That $30 a month (which is still less than I payed for cable before ditching it) would probably end up making them more money than they’ve ever seen. Especially because they wouldn’t even have to host the content.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 1:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I need to emphasize though, that it would need to be opted in, and not be forced on people. It would just add them to essentially a pirating whitelist.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 1:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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