We just had a chance to speak to departing HP / webOS exec Jon Rubinstein about his time at Palm and HP, and what he plans to do down the road. Jon was already in Mexico taking what seems to be a much needed break from the mad dash that's been his life for the last four years or so. We touch on a wide range of topics, from Jon's thoughts on an open source webOS, his experience with four different CEOs, and his plans for the future (hint, he's not retiring). It's a pretty candid interview, so read on for the whole story.
Is this something that's been in the works, or a recent decision?
This has been in the works for a while - when we got acquired I promised Mark, Shane, and Todd that I would stick around for 12 to 24 months. Just before we launched the TouchPad, I told Todd that it was going to be time for me to move on after the launch. Todd asked me to stick around and help them with the webOS transition, and he didn't know it at the time, but the PSG getting spun out, whatever is going on with that. I really like Todd, so I told him I'd stick around and give him advice and help out. But now that everything is settled and we've figured out what's happening with everything and everybody — I've done what I said was going to do and it's time to move on.
So this was the plan from the beginning? I mean, things didn't go as planned - was your agreement from the start to leave, that was always the plan?
Yeah. That was always the plan. Look who knows? You can't ever predict the future. But the conversation Todd and I had, get the TouchPad out, webOS on the TouchPad, and at some time after that I'm going to move on, but we'll see what happens. It was never definitive or firm, but Todd was cool with that.
"HP wasn't in good enough shape on its own to be able to support the effort."
But it's not inconceivable that you might have stayed on if it went off without a hitch?
Completely speculative. I have no idea. When I told Todd once the TouchPad went out that I didn't want to run the thing anymore — who knew if it was going to be a success or not a success. The path I was on predated that. That's why the transition to DeWitt was so quick. We'd been talking about it for months. It was decided before the TouchPad shipped.
There were things that didn't work out the way everyone expected — can you talk about what caused the issues?
I don't think it really matters at this point. It's old history at this point.
You don't want to talk about Leo?
Nah. We built an amazing OS in webOS. It's very advanced, it's where things are going. But we ran out of runway, and we ended up at HP and HP wasn't in good enough shape on its own to be able to support the effort. I had four CEOs! Mark acquired us, Cathie Lesjak took over as the interim CEO, then Leo, and now Meg.
And it wasn't even that long ago you got acquired!
I did this for 19 months.
So what's next? You probably want to take time off...
Not want to, that's what I'm doing.
You going to Mexico?
That's where you're calling right now.
So you're having a margarita as we speak?
Nah, it's too early in the day for a margarita. I just finished my workout. I'm gonna go for a swim, have a little lunch...
But you're a creative guy, an ambitious guy — will you get back in this game at some point?
Of course! I'm not retiring or anything. I've never really retired. I'm gonna take a little break for a while, take my time, figure out what I want to do next — I mean this has been a four and half year burn. What we accomplished in four and half years has been amazing. And I don't think people understand that — what we did accomplish during that time frame was amazing. You know, webOS got its early start about six months before I got to Palm. They were just getting going. It wasn't what webOS is today. It was something different. We evolved it along the way, but it was an enormous amount of work for a large group of people for many, many years. So four and a half years... I'm gonna take a break.
"It was an enormous amount of work for a large group of people for many years."
Wait, did I just hear a webOS alert tone in the background?
Yeah, I just got a text message.
So you're still using a webOS device?
I use my Veer!
You're still using your Veer!?
Yeah - I keep telling everybody.
You know, there are a lot of things you did that I thought were awesome, but I cannot understand your love of these tiny phones. Why do you like the Veer so much?
You and I have different usage patterns. I carry a Veer and TouchPad. If I want to do big emails, and surf the web, I'd rather have TouchPad sized screen. But if I'm making phone calls and doing IMs, the Veer is perfect, and it takes up no space in my pocket. Except for you tech guys, every time I pull this out of my pocket people say, 'what's that!?'.
So we're the ones with the problems?
[Laughs] Look, one product doesn't fit all. That's why you have Priuses and Hummers.
So you're going to keep using a webOS device? You're not going to get an iPhone or a Windows Phone?
You tell me. When's the iPhone 5 coming out, and what's it going to do for me? Obviously, as the technology moves forward I'll have to move to something new. When the time comes I'll figure out what product I want to use.
Q: You're not going to RIM? A: Canada is the wrong direction
When you come back to work, do you think you'll go to this space again? Or has working in mobile exhausted you?
No no, I think the future is mobile. Obviously there's going to be stuff that comes post mobile, there'll be a next wave. It could very well be home integration, but mobile's going to continue to be really important. But I have no idea what I'm going to do next. I haven't spent a minute thinking about it.
So you're not going to go to RIM and fix them up?
Uhh [long pause] you know, Canada is the wrong direction for me my friend. It's cold up there [laughs]. I went to college in upstate New York, and after six and a half years in upstate New York... never again.
Yeah it doesn't seem like the kind of place you would enjoy.
It brings to mind that scene from the movie about the Jamaican bobsled team...
Cool Runnings?
Yeah, when they get off the airplane, and they've never seen snow before?
You're basically one of the bobsled guys.
Exactly.
How do you feel about an open source webOS?
We were already on the path to open source Enyo, as a cross development platform. That was already in the plans, so I think it's a good thing.
So you're happy it's not been killed, obviously.
Of course. I put blood, sweat, and tears into this thing. And look, I think it had tremendous potential, if people put some real effort into it, I think you will see a resurgence of devices at some point.
You think there'll be new webOS devices?
Well yeah. I don't know from whom, but sure. There are a lot of companies that need an OS that can really call their own.
You don't know of any companies right now do you?
Nah, you're fishing! If you want to go fishing, come down here and we'll go out on the boat.
I don't know if I want to hook a fish...
I'm with you, I grew up in New York City... but when they sashimi it that night it's delicious.

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More margarita’s! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahcwzkr1wJA
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:30 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I’m typing this on my TouchPad and have a Veer in my pocket, but I have to say Jonny truly butchered webOS and Palm. Releasing buggy versions of webOS on cheap, poorly designed hardware killed what could have been a great OS. Still, had HP executed properly webOS could easily have thrived.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 10:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Good night, sweet prince.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:33 PM EST reply Recommend (17) Flag actions
He’s not dead :-P
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:12 PM EST reply Recommend (31) Flag actions
My thoughts exactly.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
apple should hire him. Seriously, I love iOS, but webOS had some great stuff!
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:34 PM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
has and will have some great stuff. the community is really going to make the OS come alive.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:36 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
iOS Cards! nyaahhhh
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 7:29 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Agreed. Apple should rehire him. I’m not sure that he would accept since that would essentially be admitting defeat but they should at least make a run at him if they haven’t yet.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:42 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
That’s like saying Matias Duerte accepted defeat being hired by Google.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:44 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I’m curious: ¿did Matias Duarte work for Google before he joined Palm?. Rubinstein did work for Apple before and left to pursue their own goals. Coming back to Apple would be, indeed, admitting defeat in accomplishing such goals.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And for the record, i do believe that Duarte saw the signs of the inminent demise of WebOS and jumed ship just in time to save his own career. And we ICS users are pretty thankful for that :)
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
“Jumped ship”
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
He worked with Andy Rubin back at Danger before Rubin started Android. I’m sure Matias went to Palm because he loved the idea of creating something new and fresh and thought Palm had what was needed to bring his great UI ideas to market. Obviously that didn’t quite happen and when Palm was in acquisition talks he probably got in touch with Andy again (this is my speculation) and decided he didn’t want to try being the underdog again and went to play for the winning team at Google (Matias has said this in interviews).
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 12:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m pretty sure he’s not the creative mind behind whatever good UI ideas were put into webOS. Apple would get nothing from re-hiring him. They have some pretty great engineers and engineering leaders already, and this guy really loves to take ‘well-deserved time offs’.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:59 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
He was more of the problem with webOS than the solution for Apple. That being said I am sure he still has some great work left in him in the proper role.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If we get to iOS 6 with the same app home screens…idk. I’ll remember you said this? And I’ll be sad? I don’t remember where I was going with this comment. But it’s also naive to think that just by bringing back Rubenstein iOS will be taken in a radically new direction..unless their purpose for hiring him is to oversee that or something.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:22 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Wasn’t Rubenstein’s original involvement in Apple with manufacturing?
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 7:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
first post was SVP of Hardware Engineering per Wikipedia.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 7:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
…on the iMac project?
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 7:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
yup, and later iPod
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 11:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
www.youtube.com/embed/pCevxS69kWo
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 11:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h-uk_mLv9w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Di5yLkrFGU
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 11:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Jon was there on all these videos
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 11:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Awesome.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 11:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Holly Cow look at Jonny Ive!!! :D

Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 11:35 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
You must give the man his due. Without Rubi, the iPod might not have been a success, and there might not be a resurgent Apple. He’s a visionary, and the fact that he had Palm, a technological also-ran, create WebOS speaks to what awesome work he does. In the era of Cook, Apple needs creativity like this.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
How are you PRETTY SURE he was not the creative mind …. ect??? Lolol you acting like you know the guy personally or worked on the webOS team..
These comments are what makes me laugh
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:15 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Good luck to Jon Rubinstein, I hope that he chooses to stay in the industry. WebOS was my starting point in terms of questioning touchscreens (gesture vs button press), the gesture may not be as physically efficient, but the tactile aspect of user involvement cannot be denied.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Gesture is super efficient. I will take random swipe versus little back button every time.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:07 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Gesture is intuitive and efficient. I am still mad about no gestures on the TouchPad. For example, when pressing ‘back’ on the browser, you have to reach all the way to the top of the screen. There should be a gesture to go back, or all the buttons should be at the bottom for touch interface devices.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:14 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
A agree with your Titan, swiping back is much easier and more intuitive then looking for a back button. I constantly try to swipe back on my SGS II. I cannot wait for Open webOS on my Samsung.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:23 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
More holding down on a d-pad as opposed to constant swiping is where I was going with that. Kind of a moot point, since I’m on full touchscreen these days.
Love the ‘fishing’ comment, by the way.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:48 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey, Google! Time to hire :)
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:42 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Really hope Google call him in the next few seconds/minutes/hours/days/weeks/months.
If you hadn’t already guessed, I want him to go to Google and help Matias Duarte reinvent Android.
Failing that, make a new startup with Open webOS at the core.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:44 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Google doesn’t need him unless they decide to start making hardware (Moto doesn’t count, they’ve been repeating ad-nauseam that they plan to allow that division to operate independently).
And about the startup, Palm was pretty much that: a startup with webOS at its core, and unless he has a serious shit-ton of cash to not only bring up a hardware startup, but also fix the marketing, distribution and ecosystem issues Palm had, this just won’t fly.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So what’s he gonna do then?
I’ve seen a few people suggesting that he go to RIM, and while I’d love this to happen. I just can’t see it happening.
Nokia, possibly? Hmm. Hope he goes to someone who produces software in-house or with a software maker (i.e. RIM or Nokia) and not someone like Samsung (while good, I think he’d get lost in the massive corporation that is Samsung).
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why hire him when you can rip off WebOS and iOS..
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:42 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Matias Duarte designed webOS, I think he has a license to be able to use certain elements of his own design.
Ripping off iOS: every mobile OS has ripped off every other mobile OS at one point or another, with the possible exception of webOS.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:45 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Usually employment contracts state explicitly that anything you create while working for the company is the exclusive property of the company, you cannot take it and use/sell it to anyone else. Matias almost certainly does not have a license to take the webOS design to Google.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:09 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Employment contract clauses in the Tech world are usually confindential as well, so there’s no way for you to know wether there was such a clause in Matias’ contract or not. “Usually” and “Almost certainly” are not the same.
But even if there was such a clause, you don’t know if Matias came up with the idea of Cards, for example, while he was working at Palm. He might have come up with it before, then applied it to WebOS, then again to ICS. When you hire a lead UI designer, you “usually” hire someone who has some cool ideas beforehand.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:44 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Jon is going to Fork Open WebOS. I just know it. You can see it in his eyes.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:47 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
he is going to Fork it hard!
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:24 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
He is on the board of Amazon, so forking webOS is entirely possible.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 7:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I thought of a longer conversation with him. Hm OKAY…
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
3dit, they added a lot, i see
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What is this with Tiltshift ? , too many tilt-shifted images these days.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
that’s not tilt-shift, it’s a “bokeh” created by a relatively shallow depth-of-field. (Or it might have been done in this case with photoshop, I can’t tell)
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:03 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Woah faux bokeh! Looks very unnatural to me.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Definitely shopped. Bokeh would be spherical from a single point of focus.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Definitely a heavily shopped bokeh image. Looks really… Unnatural
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 10:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Good luck John, the industry need more people like you.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Even though the future for WebOS isn’t looking too rosy right now, it is hard to deny that WebOS has had a positive influence in all of the other major mobile OSs. Multi-tasking, notifications, over the air OS updates, Synergy. Everyone involved in the development of WebOS should be proud of the impact that they have made in the market. Even if you’ve never used a WebOS device, the device that you do use is a better product today in some small part to some of the inovations that WebOS brought to the table.
As a launch-day Pre owner who eventually had to jump ship to Android, thank you Jon!
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:01 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I think webOS is looking the best that it has looked in ages. Things were bad in Aug.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I see it continuting to limp along in the open source relm, but won’t ever establish a substantial marketshare unless someone like Amazon or Facebook picks it up and runs with it.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
As long as I can strap it on to a phone and put Android apps on it I will be happy. I was hoping that ICS would be like webOS+, but that has not happened yet. Hopefully we will get there.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 6:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Jon’s primarily a hardware guy. Yeah, he was responsible for WebOS but I don’t think he came up with the cards and gestures, that was probably more of a Matias Duarte and software design team thing. But since he’s vacationing I wonder which company needs some hardware innovations within the next couple of years? Or maybe a new exec?
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Next stop Microsoft.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
agreed. lots of webOS staff ended up there too if i’m not mistaken.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You guys are all wrong.
Apple might want him, Google might want him; but you know who should actually hire him?
THE VERGE
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:09 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
Give me a Verge-branded Palm Pre 4 and I’m set.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:12 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Guaranteed a score of 10, no matter the circumstance.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh man. Forget Verge T-shirts, we’re blowing it out. Verge Veers for everyone!
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:13 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Vergepads would be nice
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:23 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Can we get both the t-shirt and the Veer?
I am sick and tired of wearing my original eBoy Limited Edition Engadget shirt. I need a Verge shirt.
And if you guys don’t make a V-neck verge shirt then you have missed a very lucrative endorsement from the Hipsters, and an opportunity for a lame joke.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:47 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
“Veer” – with a penrose triangle V.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 7:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Apple might want him”?
You realize he worked at Apple, developed the iPod, left for Palm, developed the Pre, then started an arms race with Apple to circumvent technology he created to make the Pre sync with iTunes?
You think they’re waiting for him to come back?
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think this is good. Jon seems like the kind of guy who’s innovation would only be suppressed by being at a big, multi-faceted company like HP. I hope he comes up with something new and cool.
And I agree, the Verge should hire him!
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Rest is not what he deserves after running Palm and webOS into the ground.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Precisely.
TVoR
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:17 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Stop signing your comments with an abbreviation of your misleading online alias. This is not 1990. You are not hacking the gibson. You are not Keanu Reeves.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:33 PM EST reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
You must be the life of the party! :-)
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 2:02 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
My words exactly.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 11:30 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A childrens’ masquerade party?
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 9:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Get a clue, Ruby.
TVoR
It’s on. Like Donkey Kong.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 12:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s off. Like a Prom dress.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 9:52 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
who the hell is les jackson? cathie lesjak with the interim CEO.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sadly, Rubenstein’s legacy will always be this:
http://youtu.be/F9aPp2ldO_k
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
creeeepy… /shudder
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah because he wrote, casted, shot, directed and edited those spots himself. /s
No but seriously I had already forgotten about the creepy commercials. Maybe you’re half-joking, but if not, I don’t think it’s fair to say that’s his legacy.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Typical Ruby.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:16 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
The people eulogizing Rubenstein here really don’t have a clue. He got lucky at Apple with the iPod and then REALLY screwed up with WebOS. I’m amazed he was able to pull the wool over the eyes of so many people for so long. Smoke and mirrors showmanship learned well from watching Steve Jobs.
Rubenstein contributed NOTHING to the technical and UI aspects of WebOS, so those of you hoping he will join Google to fix the UI mess known as Android are wasting your time. Matais Duarte was a major part of the WebOS design and was recruited to Android, yet STILL failed to improve its horrible UI experience.
Rubenstein should do the right thing and just fade away respectably like Jeff Hawkins. An occasional Scrooge McDuck style dive into his money pool should be enough to soothe Rubenstein’s now-sodomized ego.
TVoR
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:16 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
haters gonna hate.
the guy made web OS possible, at a time while palm had like 2-3 years stuck on palmOS and not a sign of evolving came from them. Yes he might not be the guy coding or the guy with the idea of cards and gestures, but he got this guys together and made a great mobile OS limited by the hardware they did (because they where short on money).
It sunk, that is true, but the guy is a good team assembler and more often than not, this is what the industry moves by, great leaders.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:22 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Good Lord. Do you have ANY idea when the development of webOS started relative to when Rubenstein was brought on board? Seriously. Edumacate yourself before you spout off more nonsense here. Try Googling Elevation Partners and Palm and Rubenstein to start.
I know several people who were at Palm before Rubenstein arrived (a few left in disgust right after he arrived) and not one of them has anything good to say about Rubenstein. Feel free to take that with a grain of salt if you choose, but if you ever come across a former Palm/HP employee who worked with Rubenstein I’d suggest you ask them what they think about the guy. You may be shocked by what you hear.
TVoR
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 12:44 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You realize Jon’s a hardware guy, right?
There’s nothing about anything you said here that is accurate or rational.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not that I agree with the OP
But what is the one thing that sucks about Pre? The hardware
And as you said, Jon is a hardware guy.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:44 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I have another story for you.
troll creates account upon seeing Jon Rubinstein news. Troll makes no sense. The end.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:30 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
OH GOD NO
GET OUT
I STILL have nightmares about this movie.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:07 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
U Mad Bro?
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
" Matais Duarte was a major part of the WebOS design and was recruited to Android, yet STILL failed to improve its horrible UI experience."
While i’ll agree that, when most people think of Rubinstein as related to WebOS, they’re really thinking about Matias Duarte, i strongly disagree about Duarte’s level of success in Android.
When you mention Duarte in relationship with Android, you’re not talking about Froyo or Gingerbread. You’re talking Honeycomb (to a small degree) but, primarily, you’re talking ICS. Ice Cream Sandwich is Duarte’s baby. And if you think there hasn’t been a huge UI improvement in ICS, you should spend some more time playing around with a Galaxy Nexus or an updated Nexus S.
As we’ve learnt from Apple UI designers, is the well thought, small details that matter when designing a good UI. ICS has plenty. Like the way you can access the Market from a dedicated icon in the upper right corner of the app drawer. Or Settings being accessible in the notification bar (done before, i know). Or the Quick Access gestures in the browser that allow it to be used full-screen all the time and still have fast access to the adress bar, favorites, and tabs, without a single button showing up.
And that’s not even mentioning the UI overhaul in core apps as Gmail, in which of course Duarte has played a big role. There have been huge improvements in Android UI in ICS. I just hope manufacturers don’t mess it too much with their customized skins. ICS really makes you hope every Android manufacturer would use Stock Android.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Duarte has been working with the Android group for a couple years now and the UI is STILL floundering. RIM’s QNX OS > Windows Phone 7 > webOS > iOS > MeeGo > Android.
If you seriously think ICS is an elegant, intuitive OS, well… I’m not sure what to say to you. Try using latest generation devices running each of the above operating systems and see if you can still apologize for Duarte’s massive failure to fix the nightmarish Android UI.
TVoR
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 2:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Jon’s job was to assemble a great team. And he did that. Your post indicates that Jon should have coded the webOS all by himself. Palm needed someone to create a team, and he did that. Knowing what we know now i.e. Palm has no money left, it was an amazing thing. Actually the effort can be compared with the one Apple did with the original iPhone.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:40 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Considering the final fate of Palm I’d say he failed. Of course at that point only a miracle would have saved Palm. The Steve Jobs style of saving a company is a rare thing though. And he obviously lacked the ability to save the things that came out of Palm under his watch when HP bought them.
He may be a good engineer but dosent seem to be a good management type. And I suspect webos will go the way of beos
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:46 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Do you REALLY believe it was Rubenstein that assembled the team behind the creation of webOS? Seriously – get a clue. Or at least buy a vowel from Mr. Sajack.
What year did webOS development start?
What year was Rubenstein given the reins of webOS?
TVoR
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 2:08 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
TVoR? Dude, whatever happened to The Chupacabra?
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 4:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Chupa is doing well – thanks for asking! They ended up getting a Foleo from one of my contacts at Palm and loved the device despite its (many) flaws. I’ve got one of the preproduction Foleos myself, but I don’t use it much now that I have an iPhone and a TouchPad. (I’m actually posting this from my TouchPad connected to my iPhone.) Nice to hear from another old skooler – the kids posting here don’t have a clue what went on “back in the day” and are posting revisionistic nonsense as if it’s the gospel truth. Someone’s gotta remind everyone of the truth… The Ugly Truth.
TVoR
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 1:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I guess if I own a VIIx and bunch of Treos I probably get admission into old skooler club. Jon Ruby created a team Michael Abbott, Mike Bell, Peter Skillman, and the wunder kid Duarte. Without Elevation Partners, Palm would have filed bankrupt and everyone goes home. With out Ruby and bunch of ex Apple folks there is no webOS. Give the man some credit. Okay. Its easy to criticize.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0622/smart-phones-blackberry-how-palm-designed-pre.html?feed=rss_technology
BTW, Old skoolers have no idea about how big of a threat apple was at that time. They were in their dream world just like Ed Colligan. I hear people still cry about PIM..
OTOH, Apple in 1999 is not Palm circa 2007. Apple had few products that were making some money, while Palm was beaten to death by RIM.
Most importantly Apple had no competition in the new markets they created i.e. iPod, iPhone and iPad.
Overall the guy needs some respect.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 4:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You should change your username.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 4:58 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What does it matter who did what? As the ceo n leader of said projects he is responsible for failure and success/ recognition.
I have no problems taking credit for successes of projects i lead even if it was started out and executed by other staff (my own). If it didnt work out, ultimately i am responsible. It makes no sense that you can be held responsible for failure but not take credit for success.
See what i am saying? That is what leaders are there for, enable, open doors, grease the gears, get it working and get the product out. Everyone else is working for you. You get credit for the entire thing, the individual employees get credit for their contributions that they can put on their cv.
That is how these things work. Your selective application of credit is not applied anywhere in the work world.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 10:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Even though Ruby’s probably glad to finally leave HP, I don’t believe for one second this was a voluntary termination. Most likely a clause in Ruby’s contract came up and HP opted to cut him loose.
Personally I won’t miss him. Yes he was instrumental in the development of webOS and I’m sure his input helped make it what it is, but his mismanagement as CEO single handily killed Palm. Poor decisions concerning marketing and especially hardware sank webOS so low it could never recover.
Bye, Jon. Have fun buying your margaritas I helped pay for. I wasted 3 years of my tech life waiting for you to become Steve Jobs. You never did. I won’t miss you.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:26 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Man, that was interesting. Especially the analogy to “Cool Runnings”.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“I don’t know if I want to hook a fish…”
You’re such a hippie, Josh.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:40 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Ruby: “I’m with you, I grew up in New York City… but when they sashimi it that night it’s delicious.”
Josh: “OK we’re done here. I refuse to talk to a murderer”
End of interview
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:51 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Pretty good interview. Hopefully he gets back into the mobile industry again, and infuses some of his creativity.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
hows verge always get all these sweet interviews
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s it, blame canada as always. FEH.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Total BS…… he could never fit into a bobsled, he’s way too big!
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I say, Microsoft, hire him. get some of those new ideas in WP7-8.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:01 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I really don’t see him as working for anyone…
I could see him coming into (or starting) a small company that is built around a specific technology or idea and building it into something. He likes to be working something that is fresh and new… hmm… that does describe WP7, but I don’t think he would fit in there.. and he definitely wouldn’t fit at Google. Naturally that is just my opinion.. I will say he is most certainly not needed at google (and probably is not needed at Microsoft).
Companies that I could see Rubenstein’s new hypothetical project/company being similar to would be (at least in style and freshness):
Lytro
Nest
Lensbaby
I also have this dream that Rubenstein will get hired at Kodak and make everything awesome again…. clearly I’m a photographer.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Intel could use him. His buddy Mike Bell is there leading Mobile business.
Jeff bezos can use him big time. Lets cut the chase, Amazon is going to be Apple’s main competition. Bezos could use Jon every bit. He can tap in to people who run Apple’s supply chain. Better yet he can help poach folks from Apple. And, he can help Amazon with plan B i.e. , webOS.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 9:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Kinda like this guy. He had a dream and managed to turn around a company. Sure they screwed up in the end but Hey! It’s not easy in the first place.
He seems real casual, which might not always be good but it makes him seem sympathetic. I also like the casual style of this interview tho i guess it hurts a bit how josh (seriously man, love you, but your interviews just aren’t all that good) way of taking over the talking and sometimes repeating what his subjects say as if trying to steal their points and punchlines.
Just one man’s opinion.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Mediocre hardware killed an otherwise wonderful OS. I never owned a webOS device, but I always really wanted one. It’s a shame, really.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The questions no one talks about
“How much money Palm had when Jon joined the company ?”
“How close Palm was to be bankrupt?”
Jon was not a success, but not a failure either. He managed to spearhead one of the best mobile OS ever created, but he failed to make it a commercial success.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey! Canada is awesome!
And recreating the bar fight scene from Cool Runnings at Ranchman’s makes it worth it.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’d really like to see WebOS to find its place in the market. It would be a shame to have it completely disappear. Perhaps, it could be the Android alternative??? Only time would tell.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I love josh’s interviews!
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Jon joins TheVerge as CEO???
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Anyone else find it interesting that Josh asked him if he’s going to iPhone or Windows Phone … but not Android?
Someone else said it somewhere, but it’d be interesting to see Ruby with Matias at Google working on Android … That would have been a cool speculative thing to ask him, imho.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Rubinstein is a harware guy, not a software guy. Going to Apple or Microsoft would make sense, because they have strong hardware divisions (and regarding Windows Phone, he may use his hardware experience to deal with Nokia). But there would be nothing for him in a software company like Google, and Motorola is already struggling not to sink, so it may be a bad time to put rubinstein at the helm /jk
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Touchstone charger was a super-cool hardware innovation from Palm. I hope the others catch on quickly to how great that was. A tip of the hat to Ruby for that.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:48 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Josh astounded that a high up technology person would use a WebOS device/not the newest thing.
I do hope that was sarcasm; otherwise I want to slap him.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think he was more surprised that Rubinstein is such a true believer in his own product. That kind of authenticity is somewhat rare. I doubt there are any HP execs who bought Touchpads for their own personal use.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yup, The guy is truly believing it. Now that he is out of webOS , he could have bought any phone. But he kept his Veer.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 11:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Veer is a kick ass phone if you like small phones. In fact, if you’re looking for a tiny smartphone the Sony Xperia Mini 10 is probably the only thing even slightly similar to the Veer and it’s saddled with that nasty Android OS.
Of course the Veer going off in the background could EASILY have been scripted to make it appear that Rubenstein “is such a true believer in his own product”. Rubenstein would never be so manipulative as to do that, would he?
While I also carry a Veer I would be the first to admit that in terms of pure functionality it can’t hold a candle to the iPhone 4. Of course Rubenstein has “never” used an iPhone, right?
TVoR
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 1:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I fail to see what he could be trying to accomplish by attempting to make that point in such a roundabout way. Seems very unlikely. The_Voice_of_Conspiracy would be more accurate.
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 1:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Priuses = Prii… haha
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A little ironic… pre/prii
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 2:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In all fairness, if you pronounce Prius the way Jeremy Clarkson does (in case you had forgotten, Jeremy Clarkson is always right), this argument does’t make that much sense.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
wasn’t really an argument…just making a joke…apparently an unfunny one.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I was also making a joke…
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I heard Pat Sajak is going to join Jon for some margaritas down in Mexico.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This reminds me that at some point I need to remove the Palm bumper sticker from the back of my car. No one even gets it anymore.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Leave it on. If left wing hippies can still have anti-bush bumper stickers, then you are allowed to have a Palm bumper sticker.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
leave it on man. It is a badge of experience. Palm used to make some really kickass pda in their days and really spearheaded the entire pim field that would eventualky become a cornerstone of the smartphone.
There is no shame there. Only hipsters would have anything snarky to say about it… And we all know that irritating hipsters is generally a well respected past time.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 11:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That was probably one of the best interviews I’ve ever read.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I owned a Sprint Palm Pre. Cards was a great idea; it basically introduced uniformly-sized windows to a mobile operating system. The gesture area was cool at first, but the software and small size of the gesture area made them difficult to use. I find capacitive buttons we see now annoying to use, and prefer physical buttons or gestures. They used Synergy to make multitasking between apps easier, but I don’t think it was a major game changer.
The execution of the product was however outright horrible. The hardware was designed horribly, and had a cheap construction. The OS was extremely choppy, buggy, and slow. There are some seemingly minor things in the OS that got extremely annoying. The rounded corners on the screen were so wasteful. I hated my phone vibrating for every IM I received while my messaging app was in focus.
But I sincerely respect Rubinstein. I think he has great ideas and influence, but Palm was not the best company for his potential. Glad to see him move on,
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Hear, hear
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 4:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I hope Jon comes back better than ever. Hope webOS still gets its chance, although I have no idea how…
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 4:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Mobile is the way to go.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 6:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
From Palm Head to Face Palm.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 6:16 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
bra-vo
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 6:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thhis interview was so casual, I swear there was a margarita in my hand after I finished reading.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 6:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
This* even, awhoops.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 6:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I doubt the last seven months have been that busy for him – probably just one email a week – “Well, what are we going to do now Meg?”
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 6:31 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
YES! He’s not retiring! After a few months or years sipping drink and soaking up the sun, he will come back and make glorious products once again. Im pumped.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 7:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think Rubinstein made WebOS great, sadly it just never took off. I can’t wait to see what he does in the future. Very smart man!
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 8:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not so smart, then.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 6:02 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“CANADA IS THE WRONG DIRECTION” Haha, go South young man, go South
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 9:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I gotta feeling Jon was taking this call surrounded by ladies in bikinis sportin’ his birthday suit.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 11:32 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Reality (folks)
WebOS never did anything. It poppd up, devices etc. were releeased (always disapointing). and it eventually went into the dumster. Really. Into the landfill…because there was nothing there…
That is how the market works. That is how it is.
Junkola (sorry). Consumers were not accepting of it. Period.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 11:47 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Great Interview. Really enjoyed it. And now Canada is great.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 1:05 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
and No* god we need comment editing
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 1:05 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Impressive list of accomplishments include:
Releasing crap hardware and software with never ending promises that it will work with the next patch
Cost HP over 2 billion dollars
Oh, he did make elevation partners their money back, so there is actually a plus.
Rubie, the man with the Midas touch (if Midas turned everything to shit and not gold). He should have Epic Fail tattooed to his forehead.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 1:59 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Remember that cartridge on Engadget Show, Ruby?
So do I.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 4:50 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Ya that may have been the lamest thing ever! And he wasn’t the worst hardware guy. He was the consumer’s friend. I got 11 Pre’s for the price of 1! :)
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 10:02 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Rubinstein should try to work for Microsoft or Google next.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 12:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Rubinstein is quite at odds with what other developers on webOS have said lately: the foundations for the OS were overlooked due to tight deadlines for the release. So, the OS had a performance handicap from day one and nobody was able to fix that. There were lots of interesting concepts, especially concerning user interface but the kernel wasn’t stable or fast enough.
Anyway, Rubinstein had always been a hardware guy for Apple. When at Palm, he focused on the software but the smartphones before the HP buyout had various issues. He could be a brilliant guy but he needed somebody to give him focus. On his own, he made rookie mistakes.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 1:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Don’t go confusing everyone here by speaking the truth.
TVoR
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 1:35 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
John is a legend.
Plus he is dead right about different products for different people. Though personally non user-replaceable batteries (ie. Veer) do nothing for me, and just make it harder for people, though the size is fantastic.
Palm Pre Calendar application is weak | ZDNet
I wish all the ‘cloud’ garbage would disappear from phones. Failing that, I wish the old Palm stuff would make it to new hardware. So much. Though I think I’m a minority, I don’t want ‘social’ infestations in my phone..
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It would help if I spelled his name right. Sorry Jon.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Get an iPhone 4s.
Don’t turn on iCloud or install Facebook or install Twitter.
Jailbreak it.
Install StyleTap Platform.
Realize that there are now VERY few remaining PalmOS apps that don’t have iOS equivalents that are vastly superior.
TVoR
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 1:45 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I loved webOS and am sorry for it’s demise.
I have been tough on Ruby, but I think he is a good person and wish him well. There have been several comparisons of Ruby to Jobs due mainly, I think, to the fact both were at Apple.
It is telling that Ruby is using a Veer and defends how awesome he thinks it is. In my opinion, HP/Palm was making (phone) hardware that nobody (in large numbers anyway) really wanted. The Pre was too small, and the Veer was so tiny it’s laughable. I would wager less than 1% of consumers want a Veer sized phone. The sales figures for the veer bear that fact.
And between the Pre3 and Veer. that was the phone they released first!
That, to me, is proof enough that Ruby, for all his engineering chops, was terrible at deciding what people wanted and getting it to market.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This man is coming back as the next CEO of RIM.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 7:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HP should have made him the CEO.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 8:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
WebOS was, and is, magic. I feel sorry for the people who just bash it and never really got a chance to experience it.
Ok, it doesn’t have half a billion apps in the Catalog, and it wasn’t on the best hardware in the world, but the UX is amazing, and even fun at times.
I switched to a Galaxy Nexus from WebOS because I feel that Android is taking it’s mobile OS in a similar direction that Palm was.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 11:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
seems like a good guy. And lets be honest WebOS is awesome. I wish him good luck
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 9:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not sure if anybody has said this yet but Motorola Mobility and Ruby !!! match in heaven??
If Google would like to truly rival Apples seamless hardware to software and make real margins they will have to get the Nexus branded phone and tablets done “in house” at MOTO and John could make this happen with the right support and budget. At palm, no budget and at HP no support.
Time will tell
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 6:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hey! I spotted good ol’ Jon!
Anyways. I’m one of the older guys from the palmOS days. PalmInfoCentre. And all. I have a Pilot 1000 with a 2mb/upgrade card, but does it matter? Proud Pre3, Pre+, TouchPad 32gb owner .. Hahaha. :>
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 12:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Anw TvoR. Saw you at PIC many moons ago .. Too bad I can’t sign up now, registrations are closed. ;)
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 12:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I hope Google makes him the new Motorola project leader once they complete the Moto-Goole buyout.
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 2:37 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So, after been kicked at Apple, he got wasted again., isn´t it?
But by letting us know that it´s “too early for a margarita” so “shortly after the workout”, we can figure out at least some reason: No one wants to work with a party pooper like that!
In terms of orientation he´d better adjusted himself more to the successful guys…like JR Ewing, pouring a two-finger bourbon in a jigger as first action every morning when steppin in da bureau ;-)
But hey, didn´t Ruby talk quite a lot of shit, too? In the end I presumed he sipped at least a little all the same, didn´t you?
Despite any jokes I´d really like to see some more success in open source area…
Posted on Feb 09, 2012 | 6:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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