It's no secret that Tim Cook isn't happy about the recent New York Times piece on Apple's labor practices, but Apple isn't alone in disputing the claims and conclusions of the report. Aron Cramer, the CEO of BSR, a company which consults Apple and hundreds of other major companies on corporate responsibility, has come to bat for Apple in an open letter to the New York Times:
My BSR colleagues and I view Apple as a company that is making a highly
serious effort to ensure that labor conditions in its supply chain meet the expectations of
applicable laws, the company's standards, and the expectations of consumers and other
stakeholders.
A "BSR consultant" is quoted heavily in the middle of the NYT piece, but BSR officially disputes the claims made by that anonymous source, and says that person is, in fact, not affiliated with BSR. That and other clarifications were sent to the NYT before publication, but Aron says that while some changes were made, "several important inaccuracies and misleading information remained."
Unfortunately, while it's good news that BSR is going to bat for Apple, as it stands there's plenty left in the Times piece that remains unrefuted — BSR's tangential involvement in the piece has mostly to do with trial programs that Apple was never participating in anyway. The hardest thing to brush away are the harsh quotes in the piece from unnamed former Apple executives, which claim that Apple has the ability to improve worker conditions, but simply isn't doing what it takes.
What's clear from the BSR response is that the New York Times report isn't the final word here, but what's also clear is that this is an important issue that's not going away.

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Corporations have to pay annual dues to be a member of BSR. Does BSR actually bite the hand that feeds it? BSR looks like they have no teeth.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:18 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Why is media ignoring the chinese readers response to the NYT story.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/chinese-readers-on-the-ieconomy/
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 7:07 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
You realize Foxconn paid for those comments right?
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 12:02 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Everything is a conspiracy maaaaaannn!
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 1:08 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
So everything on one side is completely accurate and factual, with no sensationalism involved whatsoever… and any comments or facts to the contrary are obvious falsehoods paid for by corporate shills.
Show your bias much?
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 1:29 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Did they pay for this too?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/01/29/the-apple-boycott-people-are-spouting-nonsense-about-chinese-manufacturing/
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 11:38 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That’s a fairly poorly argued article:
1 – suicide rate; uses 22 per 100,000 as the benchmark, but how many of those 22 are employed/unemployed/homeless?
2 – work safety: again, he’s using an average, but should be comparing between similar industries
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 6:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In addendum, the journalist also said China is a poor country. China is basically funding Australia’s economy, which is doing much better than the US and Europe. The country is not poor, but their population numbers mean that a lot of the people are.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 6:56 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“We don’t know any anonymous people…”
Huh?
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:19 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
“No one at BSR would have made those comments.” – not a quote but a possible quote
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 6:13 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Because at BSR, we believe in full disclosure.”* - anonymous source*
*Source is anonymous, and in no way affiliated with BSR.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 6:51 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So a company paid by apple, and wants to keep getting paid by apple. Puts out a press release with no real facts in it. Great Reporting.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 11:15 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Where can I buy a laptop that is made in a factory that has a high standard in regards to the way it treats its workers? I mean, not to “the expectations of applicable laws, the company’s standards,” but to the standards of someone who actually gives a damn.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:19 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
They want to meet the expectations of consumers but that probably isn’t enough. I expect Apple products to be made in China in the human equivalent of a battery farm.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would trust a laptop made in Korea or Japan as being built by well paid workers with higher working standards. I don’t know for a fact that it is the case but it couldn’t be worse than China.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:27 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
The problem however, is that when a laptop is ‘Made in Japan’, it really means ‘Assembled in Japan’. So the problem is hardly dismissed because many, if not most of the parts would have been assembled in China or India or other locations with poor living standards for workers.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 10:04 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Certainly not in Korea. The Chaebol are notorious for their poor treatment of workers – to the extent that labour movement leaders self-immolate in protest, and suicides are common. ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elizabeth-grossman/bad-news-from-korea-young_1_b_808575.html ,
http://www.peoplesvoice.ca/articleprint57/08)_SOUTH_KOREA’S_STRUGGLE_FOR_DEMOCRATIC_RIGHTS.html ,
http://list.jinbo.net/archbbs/view.php?db=inter-picis&code=archbbs&n=13&page=4 )
In any case, I would be very surprised if any computers by Korean or Japanese companies are actually assembled in Korea and Japan, rather than in China.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 11:16 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I don’t mean to sound calous and awful but those links are a little misleading.
The first is a little sensational, in a country of 50 million or so, with a very large number employed by samsung, some suicides are to be expected.
I’m not trying to say everything is fine, Samsung should be concerned with the physical and mental health of their workers, and according to that article, Samsung is reviewing their practices. If they do this in good faith, what more can we ask?
The second focuses on a period in Korean history before and not very long after the transition to democratic rule, not to mention dealing with fallout from the Asian Financial Crisis. It’s relevancy to Korea today is a little questionable.
I think that saying “suicides and self-immolation are common” is quite an exageration and at the very least gives a misleading impression when your links are in fact talking about a period of close to three decades.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 8:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree that the race to the bottom in electronics pricing has led to dismal conditions in countries where “applicable laws” don’t include standards of decency.
I know a Dutch team is working on a fair trade phone called Fair Phone, but I haven’t heard anything in the laptop space.
I buy fair trade food all the time — I look forward to the opportunity to do the same with technology.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
HP looks like not too much of a dick. From the NYT article.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
From Chinese commentary on the NYT article…
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 1:35 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
“Hello, HP PR Media Relations? Hi, yes, my name is so-and-so, and I’m calling from the NY Times. You see, we’re doing a piece focusing on Apple’s supply chain and the resultant labor standards at Foxconn… "
Yeah, I’m sure we can go by that.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 10:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
VaioZ… assembled at a special plant in Japan.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 7:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
… using parts made in China.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 3:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes but all the “drama” that has been going so far is in relation with assembly and not actual manufacturing of processors and various circuit boards. Those are fully(more or less) automatized. It is for the assembly process where you need actual people to maneuver the various prefabricated components on an assembly line.
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 8:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Is there more to their statement? I mean this isnt exactly some huge rebuttle. It looks more like a form file response.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:30 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think there should be a boycott on Chinese manufacturing by all of these companies until they clean up their act. If someone like apple made it clear they are moving out of China for manufacturing to a westernised nation with proper labor laws, their supply chain would follow because anyone who got such a contract would make sure of it. It can be done. But profits are more important than lives.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:39 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL! And then what happens? They stop producing stuff (not literally, but compared to what’s being produced today anyway)? Definitely not going to happen.
I doubt that.
Definitely seems to be the case. (although, consumers asking for lower prices also seems to be more important than lives – we aren’t blameless here.)
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:51 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
“We aren’t blameless here.”
Really? Now it is the consumer’s fault that greedy corporations and useless goverments encourage unethical labor practices.
I don’t ask anybody to cut costs through bad labor practices, I just demand a product at a price point I am willing to pay , that’s how a market economy works.
If that model is unsustainable it’s the goverments job, both the US’s and the Chinese or Indian or whatever, to prevent, stop and punish the companies that harm workers by action, or lack of it, be it Foxconn or Apple.
The consumers ARE NOT responsible just because we buy their products or demand better prices.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 7:47 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
the way you described it, it’s capitalism’s fault, as that’s what set the companies up on the path to failure. That and the chinese government for allowing the behavior to begin with.
it’s just like this chinese user of NYT said
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 9:34 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So you buy the products of greedy corporations, whose draconian work management practises you know full well, and you don’t see at the very least a moral issue there?
Don’t ask, don’t tell. Yep, that usually works so well.
..and you don’t mind that, in order to meet your demands, companies HAVE to rely in nearly-slavery based manufacturers, because…
But, should governments do that, companies would be unable to meet your pricetag demands anymore, so they would have to turn to other countries in which their governments don’t do that. Even if that was done in the US side, and such products were banned in the US, people would just start importing those goods from other countries (remember that thing with alcohol in the 20’s? yeah that worked too).
Consumers are responsible because they should be willing to buy products for their fair price. Let me say that again: FAIR price. Heck, when we talk smartphones, they’re not even willing to pay the retail price, and rely on heavy carrier subsidies instead. They consider $200 a just price for pieces of technology that weren’t even possible three years ago, yet they (We, actually) don’t really care what means should be used in order to achieve that.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 1:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I DO care and condemn those practices. I believe those practice should not exist. But saying that I as a consumer are partly responsible for Apple, Foxconn wrongdoings and US or other countries’ government misdoings, is far far feteched.
Even if we are all willing to pay for what you call a fair price, how would that work? Who says what a fair price is? Are you willing for the US government to control prices? Isn’t that a bit socialist and something the US has fought against, literally by making war, for more than half a century?
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 1:48 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
“I just demand a product at a price point I am willing to pay , that’s how a market economy works.”
Bingo.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 1:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yes.
Did you also demand that they don’t? Did you, when you discovered that the devices (and other things) you make use of were made in China, throw them all away? And what are you using now to read this? I’m pretty sure there’s a component in there that was made at Foxconn (or any similar plant in any country really).
Where’s the part where you decide that you don’t want these products made with such practices, but still would like the product at that price and won’t take anything else?
Of course it is, but we are still the ones buying these products made in this way.
Yes. Yes we are for those reasons. You can try to delude yourself into thinking that all that doesn’t matter, but it does. Consumers ask for lower prices with nary a care for how such prices came to be and then act all surprised when this happens, with the excuse “I didn’t tell them to do it this way!”? Not the best excuse ever. And it definitely doesn’t make us blameless, that’s for sure.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 10:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not only is it unlikely, but not really possible. The rare earth minerals required to manufacture these products are only produced in sufficient quantity in China. Companies have their goods manufactured there or not at all. China isn’t likely to let one of its biggest industries just pack up and move out of the country.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:59 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Tim Cook knows the price to the penny for every worker, material and component in supply chain, but he’s shocked that workers are being overworked in unsafe conditions. I’m sure Tim’s losing sleep on this. To put it kindly, Apple and Foxconn have a gentleman’s agreement.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:42 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Interesting that Tim Cook and BSR refuted the NYT article. I know the cynics will say, “well du’h, they have a lot at stake in defending their respective company’s reputation.”
But the other cynic can counter it with the following: “The NYT had a lot to gain from this story, and the fact that they singled out Apple is evidence that they were motivated by causing a controversy— see: generating pageviews and selling papers—rather than any actual concern for workers rights. If they truly cared about shining light on these practices, they would have focused on the industry as a whole rather than one company. Also, anyone else find it interesting that a lot of their sources are ex-employees of Apple or Foxconn? One of whom is so disgruntled with Foxconn that he is in the midst of a lawsuit with them for having fired him.”
All I am trying to say is this: There is a lot to question from both sides of this story.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:43 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
The whole NYT article is a joke and should be treated as such.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 10:23 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
And nobody is focussing on the Chinese readers response on the NYT Story:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/chinese-readers-on-the-ieconomy/
Read the article for the comments — but some of them are pretty interesting — they say that other factories conditions are equivalent or worse. Even OEM factories of Samsung and others have worse conditions, etc.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 7:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I really like this one
“It is biased to blame Apple for everything. The government should supervise the companies and their conduct, not the other way around. It is natural for enterprises to pursue economic profits. But corporate social responsibility needs to be backed up and monitored by regulations and laws. —”
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 4:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If Apple pays “consulting fees” to BSR as is typical in a consulting engagement, BSR’s public statements on the matter are completely irrelevant. I’m not saying they are lying, but there is simply no way to tell if they are or not.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:44 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Same with some of the stuff in the NYT article.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
the problem BSR has is they were quoted incorrectly in the NYT article. Try reading the little blurbs under the pictures.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 9:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sure, Apple can force changes in the way their manufacturers treat their workers overnight. There are lots of companies that can build millions of phones each month, using the most advanced manufacturing techniques. /sarcasm
Apple doesn’t have just one company building things for them, they have several, and if any one were that much better than the others, they could shift production. But the probability that one is so much better than any others is slim, and any change Apple can force will take at least a few years, which is fast for China. If massive changes were so easy, the U.S. wouldn’t be so dependent on imported oil.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 9:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple used to make a number of their products in other countries, even Ireland! But you can not compete with end-users who only care about the price of the product and could care less about the working conditions of the people who built the product.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 12:00 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Apple is on the wrong side of the war against electronic freedom. It’s not at all surprising that Apple is on the wrong side of human rights as well.
There is an inevitable convergence of the two.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 1:06 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
seriously, take the conspiracy theory’s back to engadget. We know your around 18, and we know you hate apple, a lot, for no logical reason, maybe a weak idealogical one that you have no proof to back up.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 9:40 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Can somebody please tell me why iPhones (and let’s face it, this isn’t solely an Apple issue as the NYT’s hit piece made it out to be) can’t be assembled by robots? Honestly, what the hell am I missing here?
Separately, let’s not be too harsh to judge other cultures through only our lens. The fact is, people in China fight for jobs at Foxconn. It sure the hell beats rural life in a rice field. China is a burgeoning nation just as we once were. Working conditions will improve over time, just as they have here in the US. Anybody who knows even the basics of our history knows that our country went through a similar phase. Lastly, Foxconn employs around 1 million people. The suicide rate in China in 2010 was 22 people per 100,000 people. That would mean Foxconn could expect to have around 220 suicides per year, but the rate is far below that in reality. By comparison, the rate in the US is around 12 per 100,000 people. China is a stressful environment due to the rapid urbanization that is occurring. Apple is a responsible company & has been addressing the problem more than any other company that uses Foxconn. Back to my previous point, if a large number of these workers lose their jobs because Apple decides to use robots or some other means to assemble their products someplace else, then watch how high the suicide rate goes.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 1:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Humans, and by that I mean Chinese People are much cheaper.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 2:00 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
i’d be all for robots making the majority of my electronics if that meant the same or better quality products…. but robots still does not solve all the problems. Just as many people will complain that robots are taking human jobs
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 2:32 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It will be: http://techland.time.com/2011/11/09/how-foxconns-million-machine-robot-kingdom-will-change-the-face-of-manufacturing/
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 3:49 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
robots can’t be woken up in the middle of the night.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 7:47 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
According to the Times, violations of worker rights has been going on at Apple funded factories since 2005. So BSR, how long should I, a conscious consumer, give Apple to correct the problems in its Asian factories?
Sierra Leone is trying really hard to end the trade of blood diamonds too, after all.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 4:51 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple Funded Factories? Care to elaborate? Apple isn’t ‘sponsoring’ the factories… Apple is the customer.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 7:18 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Added to the fact that virtually every other tech company is doing business with the same Foxconn. To avoid it would mean giving up any modern technological convenience. It’s how the prices are driven down to affordable (to us in the first world) levels.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 3:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The incentives are aligned in a way that 3rd party auditing firms like BSR are more dependent and concerned about their client’s reaction to their reports, than about the actual working conditions in the factories they’re supposed to audit.
I mean, as a business model it’s contraproductive; if they did an actual good job at auditing and helped improve conditions, they’d be putting themselves out of business in a minute.
Which is why Apple’s FLA initiative also means nothing and will merely serve as a smokescreen, like BSR’s statements do now.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 5:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Heads up… Apple and HP and Dell all get their stuff made at the same factories. The entire VergeCast dedicated to “Hey Apple, how about some charity?” was unnecessary. Instead of begging Apple for a break, how about begging Apple’s competitors for some better gear?
Stop asking for POS factory assembly jobs. You’re a developed country. You should be going to University and getting good jobs.
Putting it in terms you can understand: stop begging for a job in Shenzhen, when you should be working in Cupertino.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 7:18 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
If The Verge thinks Apple has a genuine responsibility to making a difference at Foxconn, then maybe they should not cover any of their products going forward, or any other offending company. The list would be long, but it would be making a stand.
Additionally, they should look into their own investigation instead of highlighting what is a piece based on anonymous sources, only targeting one company.
The Verge nailed it with their Carrier IQ Exclusive (http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/5/2609662/carrier-iq-interview), that was really brilliant journalism. It corrected the misinformation being spread and moved the discussion onto what the consumer needed to know. I’d like to see them do it again on this topic.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 12:28 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
If The Verge did not cover products from any company doing business with Foxconn, there would be no tech on the site.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 3:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Right, let’s all be engineers, or doctors, or lawyers, and leave the low-level manufacturing jobs to underdeveloped countries. That’ll definitely solve our unemployment problems. No, that is not sarcasm. That’s the actual ideology that lead to education reforms in many developed countries in the 90’s It didn’t quite work for a surprisingly simplre reason: those countries didn’t need 10 million engineers, 5 million doctors or 2 million lawyers. The only economical sector that could absorb that amount of well-educated workforce was manufacturing, but since everyone studied to be an engineer, but nobody actually knew how to weld, there was really no point in keeping manufacturing facilities here, because an equally prepared (as in “not at all”) workforce was readily available, even cheaper, somewhere else.
Yeah, we should all be working at Cuppertino. So call us when Apple opens job applications for 5 million new engineers. They certainly could use the two million lawyers, though…
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 2:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Here’s an interesting read from The Economist on the break down between assembly and other costs for the iPad. Chinese labor makes up about 2% of the total value added it would appear.
The Economist | iPadded
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 8:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I love it. Every 6 months or so there is a new Apple-gate of some kind.
In this case, as all eyes are on Apple, toy makers and clothing makers peacefully continue with conditions that are so much worse than Foxconn.
I think the problem is with how brutal the Chinese government is. I bet Apple could whine and bitch all it wants, even pay more for the workers, but the government and factory bosses will just take that money somehow.
I’d love to know how much better or worse other companies in the US are with regards to labor conditions.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 11:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I love how Josh adressed the “why Apple is always mentioned and not the other companies” argument in the last Vergecast:
They are, as they should, treated different than other manufacturers because they claim they’re different. Literally: “Think Different”. If you claim to be different, you can’t have the same standards as everyone else. Forget about whining. Forget about paying more to the workers. Apple could, in ten years, move their entire manufacturing network back to the US and Europe. They have $93 Billion in cash lying around, so it’s not like investment costs should be an issue. That would be “thinking different”. That would be innovating. Yet in terms of manufacturing, Apple is just behaving like any other else OEM. There’s nothing magical about that.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 2:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You mean their slogan from 1997? Are we to disregard their attempts toward green alternatives because they make use of the same manufacturing partners as every other tech company? Should they abandon the entire existing manufacturing schemes and establish their own manufacturing and assembly plants? How would they remain profitable? They’re a business first. Companies are not bound by their marketing department slogans.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 3:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yes, they and everybody else should abandon the existing way of making stuff and establish their own production company. Perhaps as a joint venture together with Foxconn, using what they already have in terms of facilities, machinery and skilled employees. But make sure that the foundation for this new company is a triple, not single, bottom line.
That would be profitable because people do care. And it would be unique and different, just like the Apple products always are(in some ways, not all, I’m not a fanboy).
Whoever does this is going to get ahead big time. What phone are you gonna buy, the one built in a sweatshop at the cost of human lives, because it has a couple more apps and a slightly different OS, or the one that is manufactured sustainably, with a transparent process that guarantees there was no suffering involved?
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 1:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Whether they are indeed different or not based on their chosen slogan is up for debate. Singling out Apple as the only company to be mentioned more than anyone else is plainly unfair, and given Apple’s popularity, is sensationalistic journalism at best.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 3:44 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Josh, cool guy, but that argument is absurd.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 4:44 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The New York Times article cited is the most blatant example of Yellow Journalism I have seen in a long time. Shame on the New York Times.
Spinning lies to form “news” is becoming the norm at the New York Times. They might as well call themselves the Weekly World News.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 3:18 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Whats happening there is really anyone’s guess. Those NYT quoted, until named and backed up, are still mostly hearsay.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 3:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i really like this one
“It is biased to blame Apple for everything. The government should supervise the companies and their conduct, not the other way around. It is natural for enterprises to pursue economic profits. But corporate social responsibility needs to be backed up and monitored by regulations and laws. —”
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 4:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Do westerners like all of you believe that we all need to live by your rules?
Where were you when DeBeers was exploiting South African workers due to Apartheid? It’s likely they’re still exploiting them but things are supposedly better.
It wasn’t that long ago that the U.S.A. was allowed to discriminate against non-whites and women and sweat shops haven’t been gone that long. Now, you can hardly get someone in the U.S.A. to do a half-day’s work.
People who are starving in China don’t really have a choice any more than U.S. workers did 100 years ago. They and their families want to eat.
It’s easy to be comfortable and warm and well-fed and look and say “hey, that’s not right” but it really isn’t helping unless you are directly involved.
Posted on Jan 30, 2012 | 3:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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