Which is which? Acer just showed off its AcerCloud service, something that already sounded suspiciously like Apple's iCloud. Even the "PicStream" element sounds a lot like Photo Stream. Still not convinced? Acer basically ripped off Apple's slide wholesale, outside of the font, which is a simulacrum of Apple's font of yore. Check out both slides below.
We try really hard to highlight the important distinctions that companies bring to their me-too services, but Acer isn't making it easy. Let's try a little harder next year, yeah guys?
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Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:27 PM EST reply Recommend (232) Flag actions
Hahahahahahahaha. This is great.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:29 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Whoops, almost forgot, credits to Oraj (http://www.theverge.com/users/Oraj)
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:44 PM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
Damn broken links…
http://www.theverge.com/users/Oraj
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:45 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
You, and your behavior (carpet-bombing comment sections) were one of the main reasons that Engadget turned to a shit-filled cesspool. Making you a mod there simply sealed the deal.
Go away. This site deserves better than you.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:02 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I seemed to have replied to a comment that…moved. That was for Mike the Cat.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:02 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
CloudService “SugarSync” had this on its site in 2009 (Before Apple did presentation)
source: http://www.moej.info/2009_10_01_archive.html
Dear Fanboys,
Did Apple Invent Cloud Storage ? Ans. NO
Is it unusual to represent Cloud Storage with a "Cloud" ? Ans. NO
Is it unusual to place a "Cloud" at the top in a Slide ? Ans. NO
Is it unusual to represent Cloud Service clients as their devices ? Ans. NO
Lastly, does ANY FIRM GAINS by "stealing" presentation slides ??
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:35 AM EST reply Recommend (26) Flag actions
Posting this over and over again doesn’t make it true.
Paul was not commenting on the use of those things you list above, what he was commenting on was the EXACT duplication, including the use of terms, of Apple’s slide by Acer.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:37 AM EST reply Recommend (31) Flag actions
What do you mean by “Exact duplication” ??
Are gradients of same colors ? NOPE
Is picture of Cloud same as one used by Apple ? NOPE
Are devices same ? NOPE
LASTLY, see the image I have linked, that too have Gradients and Cloud and 2 of the devices that going by YOUR logic, APPLE STOLE from SugarSync’s image
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:39 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Uh, no. The slide Acer used, right down to the text they used, is a duplication of Apple’s. Just because you refuse to see it doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:40 AM EST reply Recommend (23) Flag actions
Text in Acer’s slide is DIFFERENT, with DIFFERENT fonts,
Explain how is different text with different font == duplication ?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:44 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Can you read?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:51 AM EST reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
Can YOU read
Under mobile:-
Acer have “30 days”
Apple have “1,000”
Under tablet:-
Acer have “30 days”
Apple have “,1000”
Under Notebook:-
Acer have “Keep all”
Apple have "All
Again, how is that duplication ?
Do you comprehend meaning of duplication ?
Lastly, Can YOU read ?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:02 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Judging by your grammar, I would wage that you are an Acer fanboy.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:42 AM EST reply Recommend (29) Flag actions
Or someone who irrationally hates Apple. He’s grasping at straws, so one of the two is true.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:48 AM EST reply Recommend (31) Flag actions
Haha, “Acer Fanboy”…
Don’t be ridiculous.
There is no such thing.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 9:20 AM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
Acer fanboy? Jesus. Do those things exist?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Let’s get this straight. The way Acer presented it is very similar to that of Apple, and not similar to that of SugarSync.
Look at how there are grids of images in the both clouds, are you still saying Acer didn’t copy cat Apple?
Look at how the devices are presented in a layout, with no arrows connecting each of them. That makes it in no way similar to SugarSync. I can bet that Acer did a similar animation for the movements of data synced.
Who cares if Apple’s device order is iPhone, iPad, Mac and Acer’s is Laptop, Tablet, Phone. Who cares if the wording are not exactly the same. Who cares if they put the words above the cloud and Apple put it below. The thing is, Acer blatantly copied the layout of their cloud system slide to what Apple did.
This is not about whether you side a company or not. This is about whether you understand what is presented in the article. Are you always going to live in denial?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:33 AM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
SugarSync was given as an example, of the fact that Acer – SugarSync – Apple’s slides are similar because that is the most obvious way diagrammatically representing a cloud service.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 7:14 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Except that SugarSync slide isn’t all that similar to the Apple one. The Acer one is extremely similar. Hell they inverted the wifi symbol that apple used in there.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:20 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Don’t know why this comment has so many recommends. It is fundamentally flawed simply by your use of the word similar.
Similar would indicate that the basic elements of the slides are the same. Of all three examples talked about thus far, they are all similar; Cloud near the top with imagery indicating data in the cloud, devices near the bottom indicating data on the devices, Sugarsnyc and Acer have imagery indicating a flow from cloud to devices.
The Acer and Apple slides are more similar in some regards: gradient colors (apple’s is kinda blue-gray and acer’s is just blue), text placement and content while very similar are definitely not duplicates.
Also the representation of the “data” is rather similar. However, the fact that the pictures are laid out in a grid is how almost all applications for viewing photos display said photos so therefore the grid specifically cannot be used as a “duplicate” item. Acer choosing to use only photos in their representation of “data” is more similar to apple’s slide than to Sugarsync’s.
Sagelsfree has a very valid point: the basic layout of all three slides are the same because it is the most obvious way to represent this concept. Due to a few aesthetic details Acer’s slide does look very similar to Apple’s. Without those aesthetic details it might look more similar to Sugarsync’s.
It’s a pointless argument when you get down to it. Companies try to emulate brochures and marketing campaigns all the time. It’s because when someone finds a good way to do something or a nicer way to represent something, we all think “hmm well that makes sense” so why not.
Posted on Jan 10, 2012 | 1:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You are acting like an obnoxious small child. Please quit before my face becomes integrated with my palm
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 10:12 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So I’m guessing all the clones coming from China imitating the iPhone are different just because they are not using the same materials and the same icons right?
And by the way I don’t know why anyone hasn’t mentioned this yet. iCloud uses the exact approach. Its either 1000 pictures or 30 days which ever is reached first. So there’s no differentiation there also…
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:10 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
So you accept that despite slightly different background.. Apple IMITATED SugarSync’s image which is available since 2009 ?
My opinion since beginning is that its the obvious way to prepare presentation.. so no ones copies anyone.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:13 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Oh my… Never mind …
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:15 AM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
Both Acer and Apple have the screenshots of the image libraries open. That is the damning piece of evidence in my opinion. You can have another opinion.. I have no problem with that.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:16 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
I respect you opinion.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:17 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
*your.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:18 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Yeah because they are showing how you store photos in the cloud… What did the kin cloud keynote look like? Probably similar.
Acer does suck though for life go apple.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 9:50 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Are you kidding me? Like seriously.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:40 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
How about explain how I am kidding.
I have shown an image used by SugarSync in 2009 which have gradients as background, Cloud on top and two of the devices Apple used later on in its slide.
So is that Apple copying SugarSync to you ?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:45 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Troll is a troll.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:51 AM EST reply Recommend (17) Flag actions
Troll claiming others being troll is a troll.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:03 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
oh man that still makes you a troll. its so meta.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:04 AM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
Troll buddy of Troll claiming others to be troll is also a troll like his troll buddy,
Let me repeat :-
You are resorting to this because you can refute my arguments with facts
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:05 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yo dawg, I heard you like trolls?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:06 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
I LOVE trolls. :)
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:11 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:21 AM EST reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
ROFLCOPTER
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:08 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
LMFAO
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:11 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You are kidding because you are a troll.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:02 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Because I don’t share your opinio, and have presenting facts.. I am troll.
Seriously, you are resorting to this because you can refute my arguments with facts.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:04 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Nope. I stated a fact.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:06 AM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Nope son, you state OPINIONS. Get a dictionary for the difference.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:11 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Nope. You’re confused. Everyone here agrees you’re a troll. You’re just in denial.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:12 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Yes, you – Jayhbe – and that Deontre something dude .. == Everyone.
3 == Everyone.
Got it, I am troll because 3 fanboys say so, who BTW are everyone.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:16 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You don’t have any logic or sense to your argument. No one agrees with you.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:40 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Me too. I was planning on staying out of this, but he’s right. You’re wrong (and a little crazy).
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:44 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Look dude, the facts are here:
SugarSync had a popular service that they introduced with the picture shown.
Apple later introduced a service called iCloud where they designed a slide which shows the cloud and then the 3 devices, same as SugarSync. I think any company would find it difficult to find a new way to prevent syncing services from the cloud differently to this basic method.
The fact is, having a cloud & three devices with some arrows and whatnot is the Basic Method of doing this. Apple enhanced it by using different images, putting different content on the computer screens, and general designing their take on their own cloud services.
What Acer did was this: saw Apple’s presentation and studied it, decided they liked it and thought ‘if we present a presentation similar to Apple’s, people who aren’t very technology literate will think that we’re Apple because they don’t recognise the (subtle) differences between the slides’. It is exactly the same as what Samsung have been doing. As someone said above, just because iPhone rip-offs from china are made with cheaper materials, does this not make them iPhone ripoffs? Or because a company produces an iOS UI for Android , but it looks a bit different, this doesn’t make it a rip off? Exactly the same issue with Acer’s slide design.
Now can we get off this and back to some real ‘untrolling’ content? This type of commenting is exactly what made Engadget decline.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 11:14 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Not only did Acer copy Apple presentation, but they kirf’ed the names as well.
Photostream = Pixstream
iCloud = AcerCloud
Did Apple name their cloud service SucroseSync or anything comparable to SugarSync at all? All Acer did was crop out Apple products, paste in theirs (though that still may be an iPad), and change the font, and apply their crappy kirf names and called it a day.
If you can’t even remotely see, and recognize this you are a blind bleating sheep. No one is saying the concept of cloud storage is what Acer is copying.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 2:00 AM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
So let me get this straight,
Because Acer chose to have “Cloud” in name for its Cloud Service & “Pix” in Pictures related App/Service… that means Acer is guilty of Copying Apple ?
So, “Cloud” of CloudStorage and Pictures / “Pix” was Copyrighted by Apple ????
If you can prove either “Cloud” or “Pix” is copyrighted by Apple, I will accept defeat.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:12 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
God you’re tedious.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:49 AM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
Dude. Like, you know, just kinda, you know:
QUIT WHILE YOU’RE BEHIND.
You’re better than what’s suggested in the messages above this one. You have to be.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:09 AM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
I agree… Acer didn’t copy anything…the two slides are completely different!
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 5:27 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Are you low on IQ sir? You are in DENIAL.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:38 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Speaking of gradient, it does look very similar, just a different hue. It’s near impossible to prove to people who refuse to see the blatant similarities that 2 things are very similar. There are always infinite combinations of making something different. The question is out of all those combinations, why does it manage to look so similar.
It seems so many people are trying to copy Apple’s success and they think copying their slides, or their actors, or their design are part of it. Is it illegal? No. Is it right? Absolutely not?
Posted on Jan 10, 2012 | 4:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s not exact duplication. It’s ridiculously, stupidly similar, but it’s not exact duplication. Call it semantics, but Sageifree is correct. Sugarsync did post that image about earlier.
Apple fanboys just tend to whinge and moan about anything. You are the most fanatical, blind fans of any product ever. It’s so true. It’s a cult. You are cult members.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 6:17 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
And you sir are blinded by your anti-Apple bias and hate, so there. You saw fit to start name calling and accusing people of being in a cult etc. Are you so naive to think that Acer accidentally created a slide that looks ‘nearly’ identical? It’s not a big deal, Apple people aren’t crying and moaning. It’s funny, and it’s just being pointed out. This debate has nothing to do with Apple love but as become a comment thread of arguing over how some people have selective vision and some see things that are obvious. Acer copied the slide, period. Everyone here denying that is just an Apple hater lol. Keep on hating….
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:35 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Let’s just assume for the sake of argument Acer directly copied and pasted Apple’s slide into their own slide, and changed the images to Acer products and numbers to match Acer’s service.
So what?
Apple owns a copyright on its own slide, product images, and service metrics. They don’t own a copyright on a particular slide object arrangement. It’s ridiculous to assert otherwise. It’s as goofy as Donald Trump trying to copyright the phrase “You’re fired!”
Climb down off the cross already.
(Oh, and I happen to be an avid Apple user.)
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
June 2008 WWDC:
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:11 AM EST reply Recommend (23) Flag actions
Yoo, iMarkus, you da man!
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:49 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So based on this image, are you telling me that Apple just repackaged mobileMe as iCloud and called it Magical and Revolutionary?
I’m sure I’ve been putting cloud images in my PowerPoint presentations and connectiing them to clipart pics of laptops and desktops long before 2008. BTW, the Cloud, was called the Internet before someone coined that phrase in 2009 or 2010 (Just a SWAG – don’t tase me, bro!)
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 10:05 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The be fair, the term ‘cloud’ was overused by the business community for the past decade until Apple made it ‘cool’ again.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 10:39 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Aww man you do look a bit right.
BTW there’s no denying a lot fewer people knew about Clouds before the iCloud.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So what you’re saying is that you see zero similarity between Acer’s slide and Apple’s? Is that it? They are not pointing out the individual feature items but the fact the slides, to any unbiased normal person with vision, are nearly identical. The fonts are different and that’s about it. Although the funny thing is the font in Acer’s slide IS in fact Apple’s old font. You sir are just denying what is obvious.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:30 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Would Acer have created AcerCloud if not for iCloud? Ans. NO
The point isn’t that Apple invented iCloud as a unique service, but rather that Acer decided to create a near identical service (but with a 30 day limit instead of 1000 photo limit), AND they posted almost identical slides.
I get you’re sensitive that Apple gets credit for ‘inventing’ new things where often they tweak existing technology, but you need to calm down a little.
Acer needs to be called out for making no attempt at being original. They basically looked at Apple’s iCloud solution, decided they wanted to do the same thing, and then recreated the same slides for themselves.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 9:37 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Okay, I’m going by everything that you said:
Since cloud computing was around before iCloud, and the only way to represent how this works is with images aligned as they are in the slide, perhaps you can point us to another image—ONE PRIOR TO APPLE’S ICLOUD—that looks like this slide? I agree with your points—Apple didn’t invent these things nor do they have a copyright on presentation. But I don’t know how you can look at this and not think its clearly a ripoff!?!L
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
First, I’ll stop you at the wholesale theft of Apple’s Airport graphic in Acer’s slide. It speaks volumes.
Second, the gain for Acer (and the like) is saving money on hiring great people who create original ideas.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 6:43 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Does Paul Miller seem really butthurt over this whole cloud thing? Ans. YES.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 10:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
haha this is sad to me somehow. Very funny though. Topolsgaf meme.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 9:48 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I guess their CES articles weren’t getting the kind of comments they hoped for.
Nice job, Paul. Way to “foster a community”.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:48 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
He’s just calling a spade a spade. Those screenshots are pretty damning.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:50 PM EST reply Recommend (73) Flag actions
Leave it for the Apple blogs. They’ll go to town. I thought that The Verge was at least above posting an article that basically consists of:
“HAHAHA COPYCATS, BETTER LUCK NEXT YEAR!”
Flamebaiting? Yep.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:51 PM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
Oh Mike. Only you would get offended because Apple is being rightly defended.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:55 PM EST reply Recommend (67) Flag actions
Rofl. I’m just laughing at how they quickly removed it from their top stories. They realize the unprofessional attitude and are covering it up quite nicely.
I came here to read keynotes and product announcements, not a tabloid.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:56 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
It’s still there, but you realise this is CES week, so things move quickly? And here was me thinking this CES would be different to last year’s copycat efforts…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:59 PM EST reply Recommend (29) Flag actions
It’s gone from the top section. And it’s been replaced by a link to all the Acer announcements.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And there it is, just below:
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:02 PM EST reply Recommend (27) Flag actions
Correct. I never claimed it was off the front page. Just that it was off the top story section.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:03 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Yes, and I agreed, BECAUSE this is CES, and the Acer keynote has more important news pumping through. I’m not sure how you can’t understand that this is not The Verge backtracking on a legitimate post…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:04 PM EST reply Recommend (34) Flag actions
Know what? That’s fine. Call it legitimate. Meanwhile, the rest of the reasonable populace will realize it’s flame bait.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:07 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Looks like it’s back on their top stories, probably because of the influx of posts from your copy and pasting the same link everywhere.
The only person this article seemed to bait was you.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:21 PM EST reply Recommend (29) Flag actions
What the heck happened to you? Are you actually Mike?
The one I know might have been strong-willed, but never dropped to such a pathetically low level.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:19 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
MIKE STOP COMMENTING HERE….
For everyone that doesn’t know…This was the biggest troll i have ever seen on Engadget. He always praises Android and hates Apple with all his guts. He also is a Mod at Engadget yet uses another user name to justify his trolling ways….
Mike, when we left engadget, we expected for you to stay there.
Don’t bring your bullshit to this awesome website
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:59 PM EST reply Recommend (23) Flag actions
“This was the biggest troll i have ever seen on Engadget.”
“He also is a Mod at Engadget”
Yes…yes….that must be it! I’m totally a troll! That’s why I was made one of the mods while Josh was still editor in chief!
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:03 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So Josh made a mistake. I’m sure he’ll admit as much.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:27 AM EST reply Recommend (18) Flag actions
If I may, I’d say your worst days were after you became a mod.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:47 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Mike is one of the cancers at Engadget I was hoping would be left behind. Looks like he found a new host to infect.
I couldn’t agree more with EngadgetRefugee, Mike, your worst days were after you were foolishly made a mod.
Posted on Jan 10, 2012 | 8:52 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Everyone but you and Sageisfree seems pretty chill. It’s not that interesting of a story, but you two are the ones making it into something resembling flamebait.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:47 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Yeah, that’s kind of what happens when new news rolls in. If something more important happens, the previous news gets bumped lower. If Paul Miller or any of the senior editors had an issue with this article, it wouldn’t simply be pushed to another part of the top of the front page. Come on.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:07 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Huh. Interesting you mention that. It’s now back at the top, superseding all of the CES content.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I hope you realize it keeps being pushed up because you are giving it so much attention
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 10:23 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
“They realize the unprofessional attitude and are covering it up quite nicely.”
How is it a cover up if it’s on the front page? Kool-aid much?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:21 AM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
I got to it from the top section just now.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:01 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
It’s always amusing to read input from people who don’t understand how news sites work.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:20 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Tabloid? Pretty ironic, coming from you. Every single post of yours on this site I’ve ever seen has been childish at best, blatant trolling at worst, and almost ALWAYS anti-Apple. You’d make the ideal tabloid writer. So please, spare us your ‘I can’t believe they’re stooping to this level’ fake outrage bullshit. Don’t try to pretend that if this article was about Apple copying someone else, you’d have the same reaction.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:04 AM EST reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
I’m so glad you have a view into an alternate universe. Can I take a look?
Secondly, I’m not the journalist here. Is asking for a little bit of integrity too much?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:05 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The Verge editors have integrity. You don’t. No logical, rational person would take issue with the claim that in this specific case, that slide is a blatant utter ripoff, in every single respect. The only person that DO take issue under some fake proclamation of concern for integrity are the ones that have an irrational, ideological hatred of Apple, which dictates the contents of their posts instead of logic. Also, you have like 85 posts so far in this thread. Think about that for a second. Thats insane.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:22 AM EST reply Recommend (26) Flag actions
+10 Internet for you!
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 2:40 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Integrity = never defending or talking about Apple favorably cause it get’s your manties in a twist. That isn’t integrity. That’s just you stomping and screaming cause you read something that hurt your delicate feelings.
And as the previous comment mentioned, don’t act like you would be touting the whole “integrity” argument if this was Apple blatantly ripping someone else’s product. You wouldn’t. I think everyone but you is willing to accept that.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:27 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
HAHA! Nailed it. Only Mike would go against Apple’s defense here.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:19 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
Mike Will be the first IDIOT to be banned from the verge
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:03 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
I say we sign a petition.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 2:37 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
That won’t do jack.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t typically comment because I get this through Reeder, but seriously— every time I see you comment you sound like you’re attacking something.
If you don’t like an article, you don’t really need to go out of your way to create conflict in the comments of that article, you know? It’s not like you’d read every article in a newspaper, find one you don’t like and send a letter to the editor, would you?
Every time I read one of your comments, I find myself wondering if you’re purposefully creating conflict for fun or not. Either way, I guess you’re dissapointed because you thought this site was “above that”, so I take it you’re going to stop reading now since you’ve clearly expressed your displeasure? Or are you just going to complain and move onto the next article?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:53 PM EST reply Recommend (34) Flag actions
Right then. I’m definitely in the wrong for pointing out hypocrisy when I see it.
I’ll just go about my business then. Sorry for bothering everyone with the truth.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Honestly, why does it matter? It really doesn’t.
You can share your opinion WITHOUT creating conflict, but pointing out hypocrisies just for the sake of sharing the ‘truth’ is really creating conflict for conflict’s sake. Don’t you think you’ve gone too far when you scroll half way down the page, and they’re still your posts?
Ironically, by increasing the comment count, more and more people will come to read this article.
Think about really ‘good’ articles, people spend a lot of time reading them. This was a tiny article that most people probably spent less than a few minutes on . It was a tiny tid-bit that I found interesting, and it looks like others did too— but we know that this article isn’t here as a serious review or an inquiry into the marketing practices of Acer, it’s just a screenshot of something that Acer did. Sure, lots of people might want to read it because Apple is such a power player, and okay— it might be flamebait but isn’t it ironic that the largest source of conflict here isn’t that Acer copied Apple, but is instead your comment thread?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:06 PM EST reply Recommend (28) Flag actions
“Honestly, why does it matter? It really doesn’t.”
Hypocrisy doesn’t matter? Flame baiting doesn’t matter?
“pointing out hypocrisies just for the sake of sharing the ‘truth’ is really creating conflict for conflict’s sake.”
Yeah, and posting an article like this one isn’t creating controversy for controversy’s sake, right? /s
“and okay— it might be flamebait”
That’s all I needed to hear. Every reasonable commenter can see it, and so can you. I’m glad you agree with me.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:16 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
You are the biggest idiot ever. Please for the Love of God go back to Engadget.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:01 AM EST reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
Thanks. Really constructive and on-topic conversation. /s
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:05 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Mike it isn’t hard to see your bias against Apple.
Every competitor of Apple is the most innovative, non-copying, ideal, perfect, ascended, holy companies ever. And Apple is the worst, non- innovating, never makes anything original, boring, always loses, is scared of the competition, suing the competitors ect.
Either you’re in denial, or you very damn well know it. I believe the latter. Don’t make a mockery of yourself, not that it matters. But for the sake of others and the quality of discussion. Have some integrity and know when to concede.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:59 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I like how in one of your posts your definition of a troll was “Almost everyone responding to the post thought he was a troll as well.”
You have plenty people of calling you a troll, but I gather you won’t keep to your own definition of what one is?
You made a point about this point, but you keep doing it in an inflammatory way which you seem to justify because you found the OP inflammatory.
Good for you for keeping up with high consistent personal standards.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 10:47 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Creating controversy for controversy’s sake is different when you’re a website trying to push interesting articles to readers. I found this interesting- you may not have.
My point is that your comments are bigger flamebait than the article itself.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What hypocrisy?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:40 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
http://www.theverge.com/2011/06/06/apple-ios-5-bbm-notifications-widgets-lock-screen/
The way that iOS 5 was treated with regards to taking competitor’s ideas.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:50 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Interpretations of an idea are not the same as cloning something right down to its presentation slides.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:23 PM EST reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
This is an interpretation of an idea. It takes a completely different philosophy of how to access your files. It incorporates a wake-on-LAN that allows files to be pulled off of a computer even while it’s hibernating. It syncs from device to device, using the cloud as temporary storage so that devices can be synced. Unlike iCloud, it stores everything for 30 days, rather than limiting to 1000.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s both the fact that the unveil was visually identical to the iCloud unveil and the fact that it is a similar service.
I have other things to say… but if I clean them up it wouldn’t really be a sentence..
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:09 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
How the hell are you not banned? Does the Verge not realize you’re an obvious troll? I can;t even count how many comment threads you’ve fucked up. Do you have a job, or anything at all to do? Cause 50% of the comments on this article are yours.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:07 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Job? On a Sunday night? Nope.
Banned? For what? Criticizing an author? Responding to insults? Or, perhaps, responding to people who respond to me?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:08 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Banned for being a troll. When you’ve been called out for being a troll in every single thread I’ve seen you in, and pretty much every single one of your posts- then, chances are- you got it- you ARE a troll. Your posts elicit a pattern of unanimous negative responses. What, it’s some kind of conspiracy? Everyone else is hopelessly biased except you? How can you be so self-righteous as to proclaim yourself a victim?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:11 AM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Unless you can justify exactly what it is that makes me a troll, then you have no case.
People saying I’m a troll doesn’t make me a troll.
There are plenty of people here backing me up. I’ve made my point and I’m sticking to it.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Who’s backing you up now? I’m just wondering (also, imaginary friends don’t count).
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:33 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
You don’t say anything worth reading.
You ruin the comments section.
You are ridiculously biased that even a fanboy would be ashamed.
You are in denial about several things and you continue to come back repeating the same garbage.
You don’t involve in any constructive discussions, lies to yourself or to others.
I could go on.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:01 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
You know the first sign of brain damage is paranoid delusions.
NOBODY agrees with you.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 5:48 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
And yeah, even on a Sunday night, when you’ve got THIS MANY posts in a single article, something is wrong with you, and you’re clearly trying to stir shit up. Like I said, this is the case in every comment section I’ve seen you in. It’s beyond pathetic.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:13 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Perhaps you didn’t read the article, and so I should give you the benefit of the doubt, but this article isn’t just criticizing Acer’s implementation of a cloud service, per se, or even its similarity to iCloud; what’s really being criticized is the blatant imitation of the power-point presentation, right down to the graphics to explain their service. It’s so incredibly lazy that it deserves to be criticized (re-read the link: “acers-acercloud-unveil-looks-a-little-familiar”). That you think that holds any connection to the link you posted is sad, because you’ve got many long, angry nights on the internet ahead of you.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:17 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
http://youtu.be/WkQ55Iij-1M?t=1m1s
Yep. Amazon definitely copied it too.
https://www.dropbox.com/
As did Dropbox.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:19 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah those look different.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:11 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Your attempts at finding equivalents are beyond a stretch. They’re horrendous. I mean.. really?? Come on.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:23 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Those don’t look the same at all. That’s the point!
Also, those services are not at all similar to iCloud. This Acer service mimics iCloud for all of its strengths and weaknesses. Try again.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 7:58 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Mike you have point but right now I don’t the think Verge community believes in criticism right now especially of the top editors.
If Paul didn’t think twice about posting this I would be very surprised.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:45 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Heaven forbid, right? I get attacked from all sides for pointing out obvious flame bait.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:47 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It seems like you are the only one who was “baited” here, Mike. Everyone else is taking the piss out of you.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:19 AM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Have you actually followed the keynote? Do you see the above screenshots?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:55 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Mike, I’ve been keeping up with your posts today, at work on my phone, and now at 10:25PM Monday night New Zealand time. Again and again you argue, and accuse others of being “trolls”, or “fanboys”, “flamebaiting” or belonging to “the apple blogs”.
Dude, what do you do for a living? I checked the comments today, and it was you and the sorry souls who got dragged into your web of crazy nutso bastard, over and over and over, blergh!
We get it, you dont think its a big deal, many other people do. We’ve heard both sides, cool! Lets leave it there, rather than aim to post a thousand comments, each escalating this whole “you’re a troll”, “oh YEAH?!?!? Well YOU’RE a flamebaiter!” nonsense.
You cant “win” an argument with angry teenagers on the internet, they might not have anything better to do online, we do, so lets leave them to it. I love the Verge for the comments section, but today, its been pure insane bastards as far as the eye could see.
Please enjoy a Cinnamon Roll from our last Vegan potluck, peace dude :-)
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:31 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Damn that looks good.
Recipe?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 9:38 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
This is from: October 4, 2009 (Before Apple did the presentation)
source: http://www.twitchtime.in/2011/08/use-25-gb-cloud-storage-in-your.html
Dear Fanboys,
Did Apple Invent Cloud Storage ? Ans. NO
Is it unusual to represent Cloud Storage with a “Cloud” ? Ans. NO
Is it unusual to place a “Cloud” at the top in a Slide ? Ans. NO
Is it unusual to represent Cloud Service clients as their devices ? Ans. NO
Lastly, does ANY FIRM GAINS by “stealing” presentation slides ??
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:27 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
You’re missing the point. It isn’t the use of the cloud imagery, or the devices. It is the BLATANT copying of the presentation of those things by Acer on their slide. As others have mentioned, this was the only slide in the entire presentation with this background, which mimics apple’s. Their intent was clear. And it was to clearly copy Apple.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:29 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
How is using gradients as background == Copying ?
Again, explain how would Acer gain by copying presentation slides ????
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:36 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Are you blind or just stupid?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:37 AM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
I was planning to ask you whether you are fanboy, now thats unnecessary.
Again, SugarSYnc’s image from 2009 have Gradients as background (Just like Apple), with cloud on top (Just like Apple), with 2 devices that Apple also had in its slide..
That is not copying for you..
But Acer having different colored gradient background, with different cloud and different devices is Copying.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:42 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Except, you’re not actually using the brain cells god gave you to understand that Sugar Sync isn’t even a blip on the radar, and I doubt Acer or Apple are aware of them. Acer knew what Apple’s presentation was like, and from the looks of it, liked what they say.
(and FYI, I own a Galaxy Nexus, and will be getting an ICS tablet, so I’m no fanboy)
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:45 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
First I was stupid., not incapable of using “Brain cells given by God”..
Are YOU incapable of using logic & facts rather because of which you resort to ad hominem attacks ?
Again back in 2009, SugarSync was on of few was a major CloudStorage services for same customer that Apple targeted with its own offering.
So it was certainly on radar, and almost everything is for large firm as Apple.
But my argument was never that Apple or Acer or anyone stole anything.
That, its the MOST obvious way to create Slide for kind of service that Apple Acer and SugarSync have
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:51 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I really do believe your intentionally trolling. Acer’s slide is a rip off of apple’s from what the text says to layout, to how it is designed. If you can’t see it, there’s no point for you to continue posting.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:52 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
How am I trolling and you are not ?
Again, are you incapable of having proper argument with logic and fact that you have to again rely on ad hominem attack ???
Lastly, please know the difference between opinion and facts.
You have an opinion, but you have failed to present facts to back same.. So they remain opinion.
Whereas I have presented facts, which you prefer to ignore.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:55 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You haven’t presented facts. You’ve presented an unrelated image and tried to claim that it relates to this. It doesn’t. Its irrelevant to what’s actually being discussed.
The facts of what I’m saying are in the two images at the very top of this post. They are incontrovertible proof of what Paul and many others here are saying.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:59 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
How is an image which depicts a gradient background having “Cloud” depicting Cloud service and Devices as the clients of service, unrelated to Apple and Acers slide having “Cloud” depicting Cloud service and Devices as the clients of service.
Explain please.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:07 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
And how does SugarSync image from 2009 with “Cloud” depicting Cloud service and Devices as the clients of service is NOT incontrovertible proof of what Fanboys are claiming.,
While, Apple and Acers slide with “Cloud” depicting Cloud service and Devices as the clients of service IS incontrovertible proof
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:09 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Point taken.. but Acer is clearly not copying SugarSync.
Whether or not Apple copied somebody is entirely irrelevant to this discussion.
Google: Ad Hominem
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:11 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Where did I claim anyone copied anything.
I gave SugarSync as an example, to shows Apple-Acer made the slides for cloud service in a very obvious manner.
Nor does it makes sense to knowingly copy something like a slide, when it so much easier to change arrangement-clors and design..
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:19 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
why should I “Google: Ad Hominem” ??
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:21 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
ps: You claims of owning non-apple devices cannot be confirmed by me.. so what is the point of the claims ???
How about, if I would claim that I have more IQ than you, that is why you should accept I am right and you are wrong ?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:53 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The point is that you claim I’m a fanboy, but I’m not.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Again, just by claiming in some forum that you own non-apple devices.. hence not a fanboy.
That doesn’t for anyone other than those who really know what you use/own.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:57 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well, you’re quite the dense fella, aren’t you?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:00 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You resort to ad-hominem attacks because you are what you claim others to be..
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:10 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I think the part of the brain where you find connections, similarities is completely absent for you.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:03 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Here is other source from 2009 with same image :-
http://www.moej.info/2009_10_01_archive.html
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:37 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yawn… Again, june 2008 WWDC:
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:12 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Has anyone pointed out to you that SugarSync is using Apple’s devices? Also, they’re just going off of what Apple showed when they announced MobileMe (MobileMe “cloud” up top, arrows to a PC on left, iPhone in middle, Mac on right).
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 9:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Awww poor Mike’s all upset because someone is defending Apple.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:52 PM EST reply Recommend (38) Flag actions
Hey, if you think flamebaiting is professional, feel free to defend it.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:54 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
This is not flame baiting. This is so ridiculous that when I first saw it I thought it was a photoshopped version of Apple’s keynote slide.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:55 PM EST reply Recommend (34) Flag actions
Yes. Creating an article that consists of “Let’s try a little harder next year, yeah guys?” is definitely flame baiting.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:57 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Hey Mike, how about trolls like you stay in Engadget and don’t spoil the comments section here at The Verge?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:59 PM EST reply Recommend (47) Flag actions
How about you quit with the snide and elitist attitude and realize that this place is just as susceptible to click baiting as Engadget?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:02 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Also susceptible to your constant anti-Apple comments ;)
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:03 PM EST reply Recommend (35) Flag actions
And susceptible to your anti-everything but Apple comments.
We can go all day about this.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:22 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I think you need a time out.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:22 PM EST reply Recommend (33) Flag actions
Yes, that’s totally why your comment about me trolling was deleted. Because I need a time out.
Heaven forbid I question the motives behind an article.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
My comment was deleted along with the rest of the comment string, which you started by trolling Paul Miller and The Verge.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:36 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
By pointing out their hypocrisy? Oh yeah, totally trolling. /s
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:45 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
No, Mike. You are trolling by writing 25+ posts that say virtually the same thing.
You’re more than welcome to share your opinion, but it isn’t appropriate to spam the article and argue with every single person who doesn’t agree with you.
You’re a moderator at Engadget. You should know this is not acceptable behavior.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:51 PM EST reply Recommend (29) Flag actions
Got it. So replying to people calling me a troll is trolling.
Trollception.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:56 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Trolls within trolls. :)
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 8:27 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
I’m with you, when I saw the article I was “What … WHAT?!”. Let’s all compare slideshows now…
-Did you see last nVidia roadmap?
-Yeah total intel rip off!!
…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:11 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I just love all these people calling me a troll who have no idea how different AsusCloud and iCloud are.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:35 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s ACERcloud.
You don’t even know what company launched the service and are in here to argue just for the sake of arguing.
Sigh, Stop now while you’re still behind.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:08 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Thank you for jumping all over a typo. I appreciate the pedanic nature of your comment.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:17 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Perhaps, you meant pedanTic ?
Also, hypocrisy much? lol.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:25 AM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Again, thank you for continuing to point out typos rather than actually bring up points.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:31 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Here’s a point: Get a spellchecker
Here’s another one: Go easy on the Hatorade
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:32 AM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
snicker Since when do Engadget moderators know what’s “acceptable behavior” in online discourse? The place is a cesspool for reader commentary, and all Engadget does about it is make the most chronic offenders Mods. Go figure.
Now, back to the Mike10010100 Show!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:14 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
Some (many?) of us left Engadget since it was overrun with fanboy trolls like Mike10010100, whose hatred for Apple makes it impossible for him to avoid filling every Apple-related thread with mindless dreck (the fact Engadget made him a Mod just shows how far that site has fallen). Sadly, some of these fanboy trolls (like Mike10010100) have now infested The Verge as well.
Maybe it’s just time to stop reading comments on the Internet. :(
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:32 PM EST reply Recommend (33) Flag actions
http://www.theverge.com/2011/06/06/apple-ios-5-bbm-notifications-widgets-lock-screen/
Yeah, it’s totally all me. It’s not like they handled iOS5 completely differently, right?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:33 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Yes, Joshua Topolsky didn’t want to point it out. Paul Miller has no problem doing so though. And on the podcasts they have no problem calling Notification Center a ripoff.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:34 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
But they didn’t have a whole podcast dedicated to how Apple ripped off their competitors, did they?
But here we have a whole article consisting of nothing more than jabs and “better luck next year”.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well wait until they dedicate a whole podcast to this first before trying to compare them.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:39 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
All they need to do is have an entire post about iOS 5 ripping off their competitors. That seems fair, no?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, the world hasn’t ended yet. Maybe they will soon.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:04 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
If Apple releases a competing service exactly the same way a competitor released a competing service, then yes I think they would write a post about it.
I just wish they would change the troll-magnet title.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:15 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
And perhaps the last snarky line in the article?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Paul was obviously rageposting. I think a certain level of snarkiness within a ragepost is acceptable.
Would I have written that line? Probably not, but I am OK with it.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Got it. You’re okay with unprofessionalism in journalism. Just clarifying that point.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
By your own admission, you are not a journalist. So why don’t you quit harping on about things which you know nothing about, and quit turning this comment section into your personal litter box.
No one knows who you really are, nor cares about you ‘defending the character’ of some jibberish name with a stupid cat avatar. So shut the fuck up and go color. You’re beginning to appear as though you have some serious psychological issues.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:26 AM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
You’re being generous. I’m sure he’s a kid in his parent’s basement.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:27 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Hey now.. lets be respectful.
I’m sure his parents are awesome.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:27 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Ms 10010100 IS A SAINT!!!
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:30 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I understand your reaction now! If this were a news post, I would be up in arms like you are.. but this isn’t a news story.. This is… well…. let’s just call it an editorial snippet. Opinions are allowed in editorials…
Personally I think a post like this belongs in the forums.. but that is just me.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:26 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Let’s call it tabloid-ish and end the day, shall we?
Yes. It’s totally a good post for the forums.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would say it’s a first draft editorial snippet with excellent points that definitely needs a title change and might need a bit of a rewrite.
Call it what you want.. I wouldn’t say it’s quite tabloid-ish.. but to each his own I guess.
To quote the turrets from Portal: “I don’t hate you.”
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:34 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Why does the particular line of “better off next year” hit such a soft spot for you?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:20 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Because it’s completely petty and unnecessary.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Similar to your responses?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:27 PM EST reply Recommend (17) Flag actions
Nope. Mine have been logical and concise.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A modest lie, but hey, we’re all sinners.
“I guess their CES articles weren’t getting the kind of comments they hoped for.Nice job, Paul. Way to "foster a community".”
“Rofl. I’m just laughing at how they quickly removed it from their top stories. They realize the unprofessional attitude and are covering it up quite nicely.”
These come across as petty and not at all necessary. That is to say, your content or ideas could be valid and acceptable if not toned in such a ballsy, arrogant manner. Considering the article has been top page for a while, ignorant wouldn’t be hard to add to the list of adjectives describing some of the notions in your comments, but I digress. : )
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:41 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
Got it. Two comments. Sorry. I apologize.
My point stands.
“ignorant wouldn’t be hard to add to the list of adjectives describing some of the notions in your comments”
Yeah, thanks for the passive-aggressiveness. At the time, it was quickly pushed down. Now, after the dust has settled from today’s announcements, they pop it back on top to get even more click bait.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:43 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Heh, thanks for admitting your folly, at least. You talk of how unprofessional the Verge is for flamebaiting, but unfortunately appear hypocritical when discussing it in such a brash, flamey way. Just as I need to work on my passive-aggressiveness, it wouldn’t hurt your cause to be a bit more stoic and professional in your p;light. Start a forum post discussing it in the CES news, maybe you’ll get more support there with something that combines all your information instead of cuts it up, so I don’t read your first two comments and make a snap judgment about the kind of poster you are.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:50 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Why? I’m not a journalist. They are.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Gah, posted too soon.
Part of the snideness was because there is a constant influx of “The Verge is so much better than X website”. Any criticism is thrown back in one’s face.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:10 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I guess I am having problems understanding why you’re commenting if not because you have a point to make. I’m not suggesting it’s your job, I’m merely suggesting it might be a better coarse of action if you want your point to get across to editors and people that actually read here instead of browse.
A lot of your comments are directed at defending yourself from petty attacks. I just figure that if you want this community to support what you’re saying and would like this website and its editorial to be better, you’d spend your time on providing valid, intelligent commentary. As it is, you’re instead spending time on the aforementioned comments. Then again, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so, to each his own.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:29 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
“I’m not suggesting it’s your job, I’m merely suggesting it might be a better coarse of action if you want your point to get across to editors and people that actually read here instead of browse.”
I have made my point. Repeatedly. I agree, some have snark. But most, as you’ve seen, are concise and backed up with links.
And thank you for not resorting to petty attacks yourself. It does seem to be the popular way out.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t see a problem, they called it exactly like it was, BBM Style messaging and Android style notifications, now if Apple had gotten up there and presented it in almost an exact way that Google or Blackberry announced those features then it would be on the same level as what Acer is doing.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:48 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Is every cloud based solution now “Apple Style”? Because AcerCloud is pretty different in implementation, just like Notifications and iMessage.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:00 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah those weren’t much different at all, and neither is this. I’m not here claiming Apple was the first cloud service or the original on iMessage or notification center. But at least they didn’t present it the same exact way, there is only so many ways to do a cloud service, but there is a thousand ways to present it.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:38 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
So you’re totally OK with the unequal treatment of iOS vs. AcerCloud?
And this is very different. I’d rather they present a different idea similarly, than the same idea differently.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:41 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Seriously? You think presenting something with the same slides, when it is a different thing is more damning than presenting something differently when it is in fact the same.
I couldn’t care less if people copy presentations. I do care when they copy ideas.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:05 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
iMessage is a step above every other competitors’ solution. And Notifications were present in Cydia back in 2007.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 1:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And Mike, you seem to have this delusion that you own The Verge, just as you have the delusion of being the king of Engadget.
Of 230+ comments in this thread, how many are yours? 50?
The Ban Hammer could be effectively used here. We need a Mike10010100-free tech site.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:02 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Delusion? I pointed out that this article was obvious flame bait, and now I’m king of the Verge and Engadget? Seriously?
Ban me for criticizing a writer’s journalistic integrity? That would be even worse!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:12 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
>Some (many?) of us left Engadget since it was overrun with fanboy trolls like Mike10010100
Seriously, it is so sad that you pin-pointed someone here. I left Engadget purely because it was too much Apple-biased posts there. More like, that whole damn site was being run my Apple PR. And yes, mentioning Apple in the article generates more clicks. (Couldn’t ever figure out, why though!)
I don’t know about this person you are calling a troll, but I do think that he has a point. Before calling anyone a troll, we should probably look at ourselves once.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:40 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
You just need to read his comments history and his comments on Engadget. Mike always acts as if he was touched my Apple as a child.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 8:55 PM EST reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
Exactly….Mike and DaHarder Ruled the Engadget ANDROID FANBOY CLUB and anyone that said anything Apple praising was basically banned or comments were deleted
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:43 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
As you know, I’m the only mod on Engadget. /s
That’s ok. Just keep blaming me for your problems.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:44 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“I left Engadget purely because it was too much Apple-biased posts there.”
Oddly enough, I remember many Engadget posters glad that Topolsky & Co were gone because they were the “Apple fanboys” and without them Engadget would be less Apple-bias.
Perhaps it’s just that Apple is being successful by making good products and their products and activities always garner the attention because they are only the largest (cap.) tech company in the world? I don’t know why many cannot accept that fact.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:10 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Oh God, there’s always that guy who whines about how Engadget is “Apple-biased”.
Engadget is not Apple-biased, your problem is that you have an irrational hate for Apple and can’t stand it when they have a superior product or do something first.
Get off the moral high horse, you’re just another hater whose opinion is hardly needed.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:34 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Apple PR? Every comment was anti-Apple you blind retard.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 1:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh crap. Who let this Engadgetroll in?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:25 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
Mike, all due respect, but every time I see you in comments, there’s a big fanboy war going on. Maybe you should think about cooling your jets a little bit?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:35 PM EST reply Recommend (86) Flag actions
Verge is definitely bookmarked
Well done Josh.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:38 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
With all due respect, I gave an example of good journalism by posting your article about iOS. I also pointed out the differences in treatment from the two articles.
If throwing around a bit of truth causes a flame war, then I’m truly sorry.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 7:44 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
How have you not noticed that you’re the ONLY PERSON that thinks this?!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:26 PM EST reply Recommend (30) Flag actions
Have you noticed that the only responses I’m getting are those calling me a troll, and a ton of them are from iFans?
There are more and more people on here that agree with me.
My point is this: This article is unnecessary, unprofessional, and hypocritical in the light of how other OSes and companies (Apple) are treated.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:30 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Yup, that’s why you have more recommended comments than anybody else calling you a troll… Because “more and more” people agree with you…
Yeah…………….
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:11 PM EST reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
Really? Recommended comments from either sockpuppet accounts or iFans?
Surprise surprise.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:25 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Mike. Come on. I’ve talked to you a bunch back when I actually commented at Engadget. You seem like a nice enough guy.
But you just started a 100+ comment flame war which had to be ended by the Senior Editor. What is the net result? You pissed everyone here off (and trust me, we aren’t very happy with you, and they aren’t mindless fanboys). Right now, you may not be trolling, but it sure looks like it. And that’s all mods need to delete comments. Just watch how you post…. you are a mod after all.
Good day.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:37 PM EST reply Recommend (24) Flag actions
I don’t think anyone should be immune from criticism. There are plenty of other posters on here that agree that the only purpose of this article was to flame bait.
And, yes, there are a ton of sockpuppet accounts that are “angry” with me. Look up. Some only have 15 comments, some are obvious iFans.
" Right now, you may not be trolling, but it sure looks like it."
What does it matter what it “looks like”? You realize I’m not trolling. No amount of calling me a troll will make it true.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:40 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Really, you just sound like a big baby. Who freaking cares? Calling people iFans and acting the way you are is not winning anyone toward your side of this argument. The slides are nearly identical, end of story. This happens all of the time to Apple, to the point that it’s almost funny – and it IS entertaining. “Stealing” the notifications center, not so much.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:47 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
“Who freaking cares?”
Someone who values journalistic integrity?
“Calling people iFans and acting the way you are is not winning anyone toward your side of this argument.”
I’m stating it as I see it. Look for yourself. Most have less than 20 comments, all defending Apple. What would you call them that is succinct?
“This happens all of the time to Apple”
Not on this website. That’s my point.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There’s no lack of journalistic integrity by making an entertaining observation.
The reason you see so many Apple fans, and why I am here, is because this post was linked by DaringFireball.
What I meant about happening all of the time to Apple was that they are constantly being copied – left and right. And it’s blatantly obvious. That’s why one story about the notification center is not a big deal, nobody’s slapping their forehead going “AGAIN!?!?”. But that IS the case with what we’ve been seeing lately. Not patent lawsuit stuff just the little things.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:53 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
I’m sorry but the title alone is a journalistic disaster, with ZERO integrity.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:55 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Perhaps you should read the title again. The unveiling was obviously a blatant ripoff, integrity is not defined as “agreeing with me”.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:42 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Blatant ripoff? Then I guess Dropbox and Amazon ripped off the representation too.
What is your preferred way of visually showing how cloud services work?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:43 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’d probably present it horizontally, with all the labels then aligned in a column.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:09 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Isn’t a cloud usually above someone’s head? Why would it be sideways?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sorry, meant vertically. Column with cloud on top and devices below it (only in one column though), column next to it shows the text labels, and still space for any extra information.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:21 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Mike I’ve defended you in the past but you need to learn some restraint. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve been attacked by the anonymous horde known as “The Forum Mob” but you have to realize you’re defending yourself against a faceless army who doesn’t care about your opinion.
It’s understandable that you feel the need to defend yourself, and I have before, but posting 100+ comments is bordering crazy territory. It’s a forum for a tech site not a judicial hearing broadcast on national tv.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:05 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
I had nothing else to do today. I am doing other things as well. Catching up on TV for one…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If you value “journalistic integrity” so much then go start your own tech-news website. I’m sure it would be fair, balanced, and completely not-slanted-at-all towards any one side of a particular issue or bit of news, right? If anyone has the grit to do it, it’s you; I have, after all, been reading your completely unbiased opinions for a quite a while on both Engadget and The Verge, and I must say … you are a completely objective person. In other words, I have faith in you.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 2:18 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Is that Mike lunatic really a mod? Good lord.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:42 PM EST reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
To put it in your own words, “There is a fine line between "just stating your opinion" and outright trolling.”
No worries, I’m sure you’re safe… (my opinion of course ;)
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:47 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I own a Windows PC, A WP7 phone and I think you’re a troll who should stay away from this place if you can’t behave. The Verge comments section has so far been VERY civilized and informative. We don’t need your BS here.
Thanks!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:26 PM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Leave then bro. No one has a gun to your head.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:09 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Except he isn’t, and the majority isn’t always right.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:56 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The “majority” are here to upvote anything pro-Apple because they were linked here by Daring Fireball.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:03 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Let’s not assume that means the majority is wrong. You’ve obviously mis-read the article from what I’ve been reading of your comments. There is no denying the lack of imagination in that slide that was presented to the same community that saw Apple’s slide 3 months ago. It’s absolutely shameless.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:05 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
What is your preferred method of visually showing how cloud networks work?
I’m certain that Intel’s slides look similar to AMD’s. Is that the end of the world?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:13 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Regardless, that’s not the point. The point is that this article is flame bait. Anyone can see it. Anyone with more than 20 comments, that is.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:14 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Ahh yes, your gazillion posts make you a bonafide expert. Stay in school.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:21 AM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
It’s probably too late but I just wanted to chime in here in support of Mike. Regardless of whether you think Acer just ripped off Apple or not, this article is nothing but pure flame bait and completely unbecoming of The Verge. I also expected more from Paul.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:09 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
It’s always disappointing when someone doesn’t agree with you on everything, right? It’s also always their problem.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:22 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
I personally think he makes a point… What is the purpose of this article? I must admit I’m getting bored of all the “it feels familiar” comments in these articles (or reviews)
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:14 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
The purpose of the article is the same as that of all articles which point out shameless copying. To bring attention to it, and point out it’s unacceptable. Would those who have a problem with this article rather no mention was made of the fact that many of the major computer and phone manufacturers are over reliant on copying Apple as opposed to developing new and superior designs of their own? If no one points it out, be it in order to preserve the perception of balanced reporting, or for any other reason, and it is resultantly not discussed, it will never change.
If you dislike Apple’s products and design, do you not want strong alternatives from the competition? Shouldn’t you be more annoyed than anyone that the competition is so shamelessly copying them?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:24 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
“Would those who have a problem with this article rather no mention was made of the fact that many of the major computer and phone manufacturers are over reliant on copying Apple as opposed to developing new and superior designs of their own?”
Except that this service is different. It takes a different philosophy behind backup, and doesn’t entirely rely off of the cloud. It combines with a low-power wake on LAN to pull needed files off of your computer.
Seriously. They made a visually similar slide. The service is different.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:29 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
And, if you read the article, they are only really referring to the slide. The service isn’t really all that different but that’s not the issue anyway.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:07 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Ah, look, another account that just popped up today.
The service IS different. That’s the point.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:08 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s a slide, a SLIDE! A really don’t care about them using the same structure to present a similar (not identical) product. People are way to prone to say a company rip off Apple design as soon as they see aluminium… It’s not their fault if Apple made a laptop that basically looked like a generic laptop…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:40 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I too think that Mike makes a point here. There’s already an informative article that Chris Welch wrote telling you about the AcerCloud and what kind of service it is.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/8/2692088/acer-takes-to-the-cloud-with-acercloud-service-to-launch-in-q2-2012
Let the hopefully “intelligent” readers decide what to make of it. The point of Paul’s article is a little “tabloidish”. It is a little unprofessional to write an article just to point out who copied who with no new information aside from what Chris already wrote and especially with a “nyah nyah, you suck” attitude.
I thought this site was supposed to be a more “grown-up” than that.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:22 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
I totally agree with Mike. Treat Apple the same way you treat every other company. If you want to call yourself a blogger, fine, keep on treating Apple better than everyone else, but if you intend to call youself journalist and be taken seriously when you say it – and we all know there is difference between the two titles, then treat all companies equally. But, this faux story reads like it’s been written by DaringFireball.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:27 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
So DaringFireball delivers faux news? It may be biased in what it choosed to discuss but there’s nothing faux about what is said.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:49 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
DaringFireball is excellent for Apple information only , anything else is up for grabs. The guy just quotes and comments on things to make anything non-Apple look bad. Has he ever criticized Apple once. ? How can you not criticize something you love ?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:10 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Josh – I don’t agree.
He posts his own opinion of things – in this case that he considers an entire CES article about Acer slides is a bit over the top – and to be honest I tend to agree. I am assuming there’s a lot more interesting things going on at CES?
There’s a big fanboy war going on only because the Apple fans jump all over him and he doesn’t just roll over and give in.
Should have used this guy for the cloud diagram, no problems then!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:25 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
People are so Blind. It’s not just Apple fans…If you knew him from engadget you guys would understand.
Mike has been a troll since Day 1
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:46 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
This is not a thread of his posts and no-one else’s – he is responding to other posts directed at him. If he is a troll and you know he’s a troll, just go read something else and don’t reply. If someone posts a direct question to him then why shouldn’t he reply?
I got pretty riled up by some of the stuff that Avro guy said in other threads recently, but I didn’t see Josh calling him out on it. In the end there’s only so many times I can take Apple being a Michelin starred restaurant and Windows being a hot dog, or Apple being a Mercedes and Windows being a Ford. It’s just nonsense.
And even if this is a direct copy of an Apple slide then what difference does it make? Did it hurt Apple’s feelings? Why is this article even here?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:53 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Because its surprising to see a company like Acer make such a blatant copy at a show that they KNOW is going to be as publicized as CES.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:57 AM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
I still see it as a non-story, and I think it is written in a pro-Apple way. It was just asking for this to happen…
Let’s hope Samsung get Justin Long up on stage, that would be interesting. He could play some table tennis with the little girl from the Apple Video.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 2:17 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
With all due respect Joshua, but articles/posts like this are shameful to your profession.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:46 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Completely Disagree. Mike posted almost 50 comments on this article Alone, and everything said about the AcerCloud is pretty darn true…
“shameful to your profession”
He is relating to commenters in an article…Pretty damn cool to me because you can tell he cares about the disagreements that the readers have.
Josh is absolutely fine and well justified.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:50 AM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
What? Stating the truth?
This was long overdue.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:14 AM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Josh, please don’t let The Verge turn into a swamp of stupidity like Engadget by allowing obvious, chronic trolls to muck up every single discussion thread. You don’t need that type of page traffic.
Thank you!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:09 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Wow, over half the comments in this thread are Mike10010100’s totally terrible flame baiting and creating false arguments with other users.
It’s pretty incredible how one person can create such a poisonous commenting environment. If possible, can we possibly have an ignore option for these comments and forums?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 6:52 AM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Ignore option is a great idea. I think most people would be apply with that.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
apply = happy
Freudian slip?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Mike, read the headline again, Acer’s AcerCloud unveil is a blatant iCloud ripoff.
Its talking about the unveil not the service.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:23 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
“We try really hard to highlight the important distinctions that companies bring to their me-too services, but Acer isn’t making it easy. Let’s try a little harder next year, yeah guys?”
The snark is completely unnecessary, the title is inflammatory, and the article is itself tabloidish. That is my point.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:24 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, your point is to prove that you can’t read and don’t care to listen when people correct your idiocy.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:25 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Another 10 comment account! Boy, you guys are sure popping up out of the woodworks today.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
More like I was compelled by your rampant stupidity to post here again after the last time I was here.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:30 AM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
The last time you were here? Why not use that account?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s this account.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:41 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
And all but five comments are on this article.
Just saying.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:51 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh just stop. I rarely post here because I have a life. I posted here tonight because I saw an incomprehensible douche (e.g. YOU) highjacking these comments.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:53 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
“I have a life”
Which is why you felt the need to comment, yes?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:01 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Pro-tip genius; not everyone lives to completely obliterate comment sections of websites with their text-based diarrhea.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:44 AM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Yes exactly. I have a life. I’m proud that I’m not a mod on a tech site.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:47 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
+1
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:29 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Man, I am so relieved to arrive at your comment in this comment section. My eyes are bleeding after going through all the crap that’s going on above here..
Posted on Jan 11, 2012 | 10:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
PURE. GOLD!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
OMG, that is.. creepy, but still awesome!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Words cannot describe…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:34 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
WREJ:IOFWE WIOE JRWEJR IOWJEG:KLJH: L!!!!!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is better than their S5.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Shoulda used Paul’s face.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But that smile makes it so epic, lol
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:19 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Wow.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
EPIC
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:57 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Quickest meme development ever…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:41 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Simply brilliant!
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 2:57 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So Acer is now Samsung?
sarcasm
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:29 PM EST reply Recommend (19) Flag actions
Acer is the new Samsung
Samsung is the new Sony
Sony is the new Sanyo
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend (41) Flag actions
wow, so true
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:32 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I lol’d at sony part.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:41 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
And Lenovo is also the new Samsung. GODDAMNIT LENOVO. YOU BROKE MY HEART.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:24 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
This is all so true lol.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
priceless comment
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Troll so hard…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:29 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:34 PM EST reply Recommend (51) Flag actions
lulz so funny. Poor acer
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So using a simple cloud image is copying?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:29 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
really? You look at those slides and that’s the only similarity you see?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend (45) Flag actions
UM it’s more then a simple cloud image buddy. What are you eyes attached to your ass??
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend (36) Flag actions
You’re missing the obvious aren’t you?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:29 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
LOL
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Let’s call this an “homage to Steve Jobs” and move to the bigger issue: Who the hell actually wants this?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:30 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
Nailed it. Who wants to be part of the Acer ecosystem? Ecosystems don’t work without trust, and I’m not sure many people want to have all their data wrapped up in this company. They want to be Apple, but they don’t understand what Apple is doing. Put another way: if I own a PC—even if I own an Acer laptop—why wouldn’t I just opt for all of Google’s cloud-connected storage? And Dropbox? And Box?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:17 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
There is not enough space for that many clouds. No one is going to opt for multiple ecos atleast, that’s painfully long.
The job is better left to MS and Google to work an ecosystem for Android/WP7 phones.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Real classy Acer, real classy…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:31 PM EST reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
this doesn’t help the crowd that says innovation is dead amongst these companies who wait to see what Apple does, and then scramble to make their moves- er. – copy them.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:46 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
This is insanely obvious !
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:31 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Ugh, that font looks awful…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:32 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
Honestly, they can’t even copy a keynote correctly.
That was the first thing I noticed, THEN the fact that they copied. It looks so god damn ugly.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:37 PM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
Agreed, look at the cloud, it looks like someone spent 30 seconds in photoshop slapping together a few random circles and turning on layer styles.
And then the flipped a wifi indicator upside down.
But I guess that is the difference between Apple and Acer as companies. Apple examines at the minute details while Acer will cut corners wherever possible. Exactly what you want from the company handling your data.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:31 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
+1 I agree exact same thing I thought when I looked at it…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They might as well added a better font than that. Not like I’d ever use it as Acer never make anything that’s not crap
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:32 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Watch Apple start using some protective license on their slide design now so that they can sue Acer for things like this.
You think it absurd. But watch.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:32 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
i don’t think it is. why can’t anyone just be orignal??? don’t they know how silly it looks? or do they just not care?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:33 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
I mean they clearly are never going to be apple nor will they ever have the type of brand appeal that apple has. So why even bother?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:34 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
same comment from other post:
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:32 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
Not mad, just disappointed and kinda depressed that CES is still….CES.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:49 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Come on guys, look, the mobile phone and laptop are the other way around, that can hardly be considered copying, right?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:33 PM EST reply Recommend (21) Flag actions
That was my thought too, but I couldn’t say it with a straight face :)
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:46 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
LOL
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:17 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Facepalm…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:33 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Just when you thought it was safe to go back…
Year of the Copycats II
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:35 PM EST reply Recommend (20) Flag actions
This is fucking shameless.
I’m sorry, I don’t want to censor myself on this.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend (18) Flag actions
This is not the same…Acer’s laptop is clearly on the left side…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:36 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
That’s about the level of class I’d expect from a company that sells “ferrari” laptops at walmart.
Clearly the next evolution in computing is coming from these guys.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend (15) Flag actions
Damn, that is hella faulty.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Deserves a place on here:
http://inspiredbyapple.tumblr.com/
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:37 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
It’s easy to tell which is which, Apple’s is the one with better fonts.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:38 PM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
“IMGRiver” “IMGCreek” “JPEGPuddle” “PNGBrook” all of these would have made better names but PicStream!?!?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:38 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s just to sound like Photo Stream ;)
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:00 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah. that’s probably it. Actually, that’s what it is!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
IMGCloud would have been much better.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Silly Acer; only steal from Xerox PARC and FreeBSD!!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’d be funny if you were historically accurate. Apple paid Xerox. And if it weren’t for Apple, FreeBSD would have been left in the past. But yeah, this is the same, so it’s okay!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:55 PM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
FreeBSD? It’s not stealing if you incorporate open source software into your OS. Xerox PARC? Apple was invited to come and see all. Sure, it was stupid of XEROX, but they sure consented!
And your only semi-legitimate example is from nearly 30 years ago. Get some better evidence before trolling.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:58 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
Apple wasn’t just invited. They gave Xerox a stack of shares in exchange (http://www.mac-history.net/the-history-of-the-apple-macintosh/rich-neighbour-with-open-doors-apple-and-xerox-parc), and the Xerox executives couldn’t understand why.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:01 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
And Apple actually kept their BSD code open. Microsoft was shipping BSD net utils for like a decade as closed-source. (The command-line Windows telnet, ftp, etc, etc, and allegedly large portions of their TCP stack).
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:41 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Ah, they just said “screw it” and stopped trying.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:39 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I love apples phones and tablets too, but ffs who cares?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:43 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
People that care?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:43 PM EST reply Recommend (23) Flag actions
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:28 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Note to Acer: let’s try to copy something that doesn’t suck. ok?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:43 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Yeah. But who cares?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:48 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
People who wish to feel superior to others by being the “first”.
In other words, hipsters, basically.
And those who create divisive content in order to boost commenting numbers.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:49 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
LOL Acer is so low rent.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:50 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
At the time of my writing this you have contributed over 10% of the 108 comments in this thread. Although you claim to detest “divisive content” intended to “boost commenting numbers” you yourself have added far more to the comment count than anyone else. Seems a little hypocritical, is all I’m saying.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:22 PM EST reply Recommend (17) Flag actions
When my character is attacked, I feel the need to defend it. Heaven forbid.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:23 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Have you considered silence might actually be the best way to defend said character?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:29 PM EST reply Recommend (17) Flag actions
Oh yeah. Just shut up Mike.
If you are not on Apple’s side you must shut up now!
Don’t disturb the RDF please..
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:41 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
What type of shit is that ? Isn’t that censorship ?Silencing people.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:14 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Even a fool is thought wise if he is kept silent.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:20 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
And those who hate the lazy attitude of corporations.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
just what everyone else does, Copy Apple. everyone just competes with the iPhone because it was the first and best touch screen main stream smart phone with apps and everything else that Apple started with the iPhone. Once apple makes a product everyone else just uses it as a base to make their own copy. Thank you Apple for being innovators.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:49 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Yea, whats worse is now that everyone has been blatantly copying Apple’s products for the past 4 years, companies like Samsung and Google are believing that the idea of a touchscreen slab phone was theirs! I think Apple deserves every penny they get in settlements from every Android device on the market. Competition is needed, but you also gotta give props.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:10 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
The first touchscreen slab phone was NOT from any of the companies / OS’s you mentioned in your comment.
Triple FAIL!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:00 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
You’re right. But the iPhone was the first one worth using.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:11 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
That still doesn’t make any part of his comment correct.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:49 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
That’s the only part that is wrong. So no.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:21 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
what @nutbunnie said, sure they were plenty of touchscreen phones before the iPhone but the iPhone completely changed the cell phone industry and every other company has based their new touchscreen phones on what the iPhone does.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 10:35 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But will they be able to continue with Steve Jobs gone? I hope so but it’s a little worrisome.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 1:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
damn ces hasn’t started yet.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:52 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Wow…. this is beyond sad.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Oh Acer.
No one is going to be buying into your Ecosystem.
All those Acer fanboys….
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:54 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
(more waffling)
Buy into the Microsoft ecosystem, or the Google ecosystem, or get something teamed up with Samsung and Sony… but you can’t do it alone.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Even the font they used looks like the Garamond that Apple used to use.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:55 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
And they even failed with that on the anti-aliasing.
What software are they using for the slides? Powerpoint 97 or something?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:56 PM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
Ha! Probably. Probably a counterfeit version.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:58 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
I have to say, Apple picked the better font.
APPLE WINS THE FONT WARS!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:57 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
I guess we have Steve to thank for that :-)
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:00 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Let me guess. Apple invented the cloud and they also filed a patent for it. smh
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Uh no. How about you read the article, or at the very least the headline. It was only about the UNVEIL, not the service.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:23 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Well, looks like Apple Lawyers got another job to do. CUE THEM IN… 3…2..1…
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:57 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The inability of some companies to display an ounce of originality is really starting to get scary.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:59 PM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
Actually, even the slide background looks slightly similar!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 5:59 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
I’ll bet this won’t be the last instance of pretty blatant Apple copying we see before the end of the show.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:00 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
You should set up an App so you get notifications in your notification bar on your iDevice every time someone copies Apple. You know, for the irony.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:06 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Notifications existed in cydia in 2007 you idiot.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 1:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It makes it more blatantly obvious that it is a rip off when you consider the rest of the presentation had a white background.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:02 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
This is just sad… Does acer really think if they copy slides off apple more people will like their products…!?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:10 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Oh come on. Are we now saying that Apple invented the Cloud too? Never mind that Google and DropPed do similar things? How many ways are you supposed to represent “the Cloud” and the devices that are connected to it? And shame on you, Mr. Miller, for taking the easy way out. I thought The Verge was above stoking the Fanboi fire?
Do a search for cloud storage and you’ll find several other pics of a cloud with devices underneath it.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:10 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Do any of them use Apple’s Airport logo too?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I didn’t notice but you might as well say that Engadget is ripping off the Airport logo too: Light Blue radio waves.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Damn Auto Correct! DropPed = DropBox.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:21 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Stupid commenter is stupid.
Paul was not commenting on the logo, he was commenting on the fact that THE ENTIRE SLIDE is lifted from Apple’s presentation.
Some of you commenters need to go back to middle school.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:22 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
And calling people names is not a Grade School tactic?
Is Acer trying to jump on the cloud services bandwagon? Yes. Was there any attempt at creativity in Acer’s presentation? Probably Not..I only saw this one slide. Do we really need to overanalyze one slide in the whole deck? Let’s all get a life.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So now Apple invented the cloud ? Who knew ?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:16 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So are you saying you don’t think Acer was inspired by Apple to start a cloud service?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:26 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Are you saying that Apple didn’t invent cloud services because they were copying pretty much everyone else? Everyone is doing cloud. And as the years go by, more companies will move into it. It’s inevitable. Cloud services existed pre iCloud, in case you really didn’t know.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m saying Apple and everyone else was inspired by Google, yes a sloppy low rent “designer” made an Apple knock-off slide but come on iCloud is no more original really.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:28 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
No cloud service is original.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:31 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
WTF? Discounting all the 50s and 60s stuff the original I think (as we know it) would be Amazon Web Service (AWS) launched back in 2006, although I think some of the Google stuff (docs) would be about the same, 5 years old?
Unless you mean something else by that?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 2:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
seriously, this is just sad. It almost shouts “sue me”. But its effective, take the apple presentation, add a shitty wifi sign into the picture (did they use paint?) and then sell it again to the people with a shitty rip-off name. why can’t they make something innovative … there are so many ways the sharing experience could be improved..honestly, even icloud sucks (partially)
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:25 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
actually that signal beaming down is Apples wifi signal upside down, even to the shade of blue ;)
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:26 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Who did Apple rip off? Amazon?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 6:57 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
They didn’t rip anyone off. iCloud isn’t just “a disk in the sky”.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:52 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Google were there long before Amazon.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:28 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Uh, no, they weren’t. Amazon’s web services have been around for quite a long time. Just because they haven’t been consumer facing doesn’t make that not true.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:31 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
AWS was developed by Amazon for internal use first, they then made it into something to sell. It was original launched in 2002.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 9:49 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
how would you put it differently if you offer the same message with the same capable products (phone, tablet, laptop) , acer’s clould is different too :)
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 8:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Was The Verge supposed to be a professional and a trolling post free blog?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 8:57 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Time for some popcorn it seems. leans back
That is pretty egregious as far as examples go for copying from Apple. They don’t even pretend otherwise.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:05 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
How much money did Acer throw away by developing a service nobody asked for and no one will use?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:44 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Of all the things you guys could report on, you do this? This is what Engadget does. Or is that not out of your system yet?
It’s a bloody ppt presentation. They aren’t all that different and if you work in an actual business, you can probably corral up a bunch of presentatiosn that look stunningly similar…
You know what, I’m not even going to try to explain this. Only one comment is good enough for this post: Flame baiting is obvious.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:50 PM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Are we certain this whole thing wasn’t just thought up 5 mins before Acer went on stage?
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:54 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Copycats. Rip offs of Apple. That is what happens when someone does something innovative. The others copy maliciously.
Samsung = Evil Copyist.
Gnusmas = Devil in Korea.
Acer = Mini-me Copyist
Reca = Little-Devil in Taiwan.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If we accept the same logic that Acer copies then one can conclude the The Verge is a copy of Engadget. That’s what I’m reading.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 9:58 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
it’s clearly a completely different strategy. The tablet is in landscape mode and there’s an inverted wifi symbol. All you iJerks just can’t give Acer credit where credit is due.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If you think Jobs’ Apple keynotes are so damn great why would you expect someone not to copy them? The slides look the same but honestly isn’t that the best way to show what you’re doing? How else would you put the same info on a slide in a succint way?
And of course Apple copies, everyone copies something.
At the end of the day I don’t care, I just want the Nokia thing to happen already. Let’s hope all the slides look just like Apple ones!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:09 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just a little bit of unsolicited advice for Acer: if you’re going to offer a service that some may confuse with a competitor’s offering, don’t run their slide under a photocopier to announce it.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Apple’s cloud looks more fluffy.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Acer’s cloud looks like a cloud I would try to draw in 1st grade.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:27 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Dear Paul:
I love you (in a ‘hey that tech writer is awesome’ kind of way), but the article title is Gizmodo-level professionalism, and these troll comments make me sad.
Please forgive my rudeness.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:27 PM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
Admittedly he he say their unveil is a ripoff, not the product itself (although it appears it may be)
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I know.. and I 100% agree with him.. I am just taking issue with the title of this article: it is unprofessional and the trolls can smell that kind of thing from a mile away.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:31 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I don’t think Steve can copyright his unveil from beyond the grave, it’s just like Dennis Leary ripping of Bill Hicks, it isn’t cool but not much can be done about it.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:31 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Why didn’t Acer do 45 days access to your photos? 30 days isn’t that long, at least one up Apple where you can and it’s trivial to do so, would look better on comparison charts against iCloud anyway.
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
If Apple released a toilet with iPhone dock integration and a free App that adjusts the seat density with a 6 ass memory, they’d copy that to.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:27 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
umm…. I would definitely buy that toilet.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
These slides are what I would turn in as my thesis: “Why Asian Companies Will Never Succeed In The Technology Game. Or, Their Complete Ignorance of IP Law and Practices.”
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:41 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
This is the first official full out flame war I’ve seen on The Verge! Everybody take a shot!
But seriously, that font is HIDEOUS. Fix that, Acer
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 10:45 PM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Just wanted to say I’m not a fanboy and mike is annoying. Also thank you mike for the show, crazy beans.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:18 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Call in the lawyers
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Paul is not saying Apple invented the cloud or Acer is doing it because Apple is doing it. Jesus where’d you all get that assumption?
He’s saying “:Look at the slides, look at the images and the names. This unveiling (keyword here) is clearly Apple-inspired.” And it IS. Tough that some of you think this is flamebait because it really isn’t (Flamebait would be "WTF? Acer steals from Apple’s iCloud). Your mind tells you it is and then you go off on other people with your well-intended but arguably flamish posts. Please stop being so sensitive and have a fun CES.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:29 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I understood that. My issue after reading through all this is still why is this a story at all? The guy probably said to some guy in the office “bang me out a slide like that Apple one for CES”. I guess he thought people might write about his product, not his slide?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 2:07 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I like lively debate as much as the next guy, but maybe the comments should be shut down on this one… It’s angry mob up above, and I don’t like to be stabbed in the eye with the pitchforks of angry commenters! Please, I didn’t bring eye protection!
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is seriously low, has flamebait written all over it. After doing something like this I don’t think you have the right to complain about people trolling on this site in the future.
Spelling errors might have occurred with my phones auto correct, but I don’t really give a shit after reading this pos.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:38 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Wow. This is pretty disgusting. Blatant rip off. PicStream?! Such a friggin’ joke.
Posted on Jan 08, 2012 | 11:56 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, just WOW. Cloud services existed for years before iCloud. Google makes a living on them, Dropbox is pretty popular, services like Carbonite have existed for a while, etc.. etc..
All Apple does is release a halfway decent branded “cloud” product and Acer blatantly copies it. Holy crap Acer, do you have to copy EVERYTHING Apple does to a tee? Do you guys have ideas of any degree of originality?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:03 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Acer cant even make a decent computer, how are they supposed to have useful cloud info? I bet they will have about 5 cloud users total
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:18 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
For the love of God, it’s just one freaking article! Paul’s opinions does NOT reflect that of the Verge as a whole. He has opinions and I respect Paul for not being one to just back down from saying what he believes in. What’s wrong with calling something a rip off when it clearly is? It’s just stating the obvious. Don’t see any hypocrisy there.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:18 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
These guys aren’t robots. They have insights, feelings and opinions they want to share. I think that’s about it. Why does this have to get overblown just because it has the words “Apple” in it?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:20 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Is this even a story if it doesn’t have the words Apple in it?
Seriously, this could look exactly like a Microsoft/Samsung/LG/Intel/Nintendo slide and no-one would care, and this story would not have even been written. It shouldn’t have been written in the first place.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 2:10 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Exactly. But hey, call a spade a spade, and then you’re call a troll/flamebaiter.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:46 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Shhh….it’s not “copying”…it’s called “inspired by”…! /s
Well, either that or the person tasked for the presentation had to work under a tight dateline and had little sleep…
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:28 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
First, Acer could have done a better job on their presentation. Second, the flame wars in the comments made me literally LOL, not lol, but Laugh Out Loud. Third, I’m finally joining The Verge’s community (though I’ve been reading since day 1)
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:35 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, I made it to the end of the thread – someone gimme a fuckin’ drink! :-)
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:46 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
There’s a free flow of Hatorade, courtesy of Mike 10010100.Just grab a pint~!
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:49 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Mik100100 has officially ruined this commenting section
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:53 AM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
Then move on to another article.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:54 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
We shouldn’t have to. You should learn how to control yourself and quit spamming this site with your nonsense.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:55 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Methinks you don’t understand what “spam” means.
I am creating unique content that is relevant to discussions. That isn’t spam.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Actually….
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:56 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Hmm. Good point. That’s even further from spam! lol
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:57 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Does anyone have a spamalot GIF? That would be amazing.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Unfortunately, there aren’t. But I can refer you to an awesome video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice try.. but I win.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:02 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh dear. I’ve found myself on that part of YouTube. lol
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:03 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
spam is less annoying that your posts.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:49 AM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Enough already Mke. You got your point across.
Now chill
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:02 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Unique content? No. You’ve posted the same thing about 70 times in these comments. That’s the definition of spam.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:00 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
*android fan
Something something Apple didn’t invent it something something
/android fan
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:12 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
While Mr. Miller, Paul if you will, is obviously making light of the great similarities between Apple’s iCloud Service and AcerCloud . . . (Horrible name, Acer should consider another name).
The most important thing about this entire post is not that Acer is marketing their cloud service similarly to Apple, but rather now users outside of iOS products may soon have an alternative to Apple and Android maybe in the process of having an “AirPlay” type service that seems to be compatible across Windows, Android, and perhaps other operating systems.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:18 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Why is this on the front-page again? sigh….
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:33 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Probably because of the number of comments…
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:33 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Mike10010100 may need to cool his jets a little… but he is right.
Yes, there are similarities in the products/presentations but the tone of the article is pure flame/click bait and very unnecessary.
I was really hoping for better but hey… Josh and gang are just another tech-site (albeit with higher production values). They need the clicks and the traffic.
So I guess its welcome to Engadget 2.0. Sigh…
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:44 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Aaaaaaaannnnd with the crazed trolling in the comments in this post, (and after my quiet reading here for a couple of months after walking away from Engadget)…
"There goes the neighborhood." :(
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:50 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
ces 2012 " copycats year part ll "
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 1:54 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Acer pedals garbage, I’d never buy anything from them anyway, and above all … I don’t really give a damn if they mimic Apple. Chinese knockoff manufacturers have been doing it for years! Apple’s products can stand on their own; they don’t need fanboyish arguments to justify them. The market speaks for itself, and I know to whom my wallet gives support based on, of course, personal experience and preference.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 2:12 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
And with a single post, The Verge has turned into Engadget – troll bait. This would have been much more suited to the forums….
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 2:40 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
And now we know, the heads of The Verge are blatant Apple fans.
gg guys, it was fun.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:32 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Or are simply pointing out the blatant similarities in the graphics of Acer’s presentation to Apple. How is that even close to being an example of Apple fanboyism.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You do understand that ideas cannot be copyrighted. They have their own images and slightly different text.
Yes, it’s an imitation. That’s flattery.
No need to get your knickers in a twist.
Apple just needs to innovate faster than imitators imitate.
And as for implementation, does anybody really think Acer’s version will be a real competitor to iCloud?
Didn’t think so.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:47 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Even the “cloud-streaming” logo looks identical with Apple’s Airport Logo
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:50 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Get it in your head, Acer. YOU ARE NOT A SOFTWARE COMPANY. Your job is to provide hardware. It’s Microsoft’s or Google’s job to provide cloud syncing/ storage.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:54 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
The crapware they bundled with my old Aspire still gives me chills.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:01 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I had to remove all sorts of crap from my uncles Acer. They did the recover in such a way that you could not install a fresh copy, at that moment I think I disliked Acer. Nevertheless I found a away around it, but people with less technical knowledge will be stuck with Acer crap.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But now with ugly fonts!
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It actually looks very much like Apple’s old font from pre 2002.. http://web.archive.org/web/20011217200937/http://www.apple.com/
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 6:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sorry chief but Apple Garamond looks far best. As is always the case in fonts, it’s about the details.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 6:44 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
True story. But I guess Acer did as good as they can.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 9:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Back then, they were the Sheriffs of Serif.
Posted on Jan 10, 2012 | 6:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Does someone need to explain to Acer that clouds have flat bottoms?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 7:22 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I get it… Since Apple was first to the Cloud no one else has a right to use this as a value added set of services to there product lineup. Way to keep that spirit of competition alive Paul!
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 7:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
“Since Apple was first to the Cloud”
No one ever said this. They just ripped off the slides. They copied something they could have done themselves with 5 minutes of work. Typical lazy unoriginal PC company.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 7:35 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Again, it’s not about the product! The slides are identical, and the font they used is a font that apple used in previous presentations.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Really? tech companies use similar slides to promote similar service. This petty bullshit belongs on Daringfireball or some other MacFan website.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 7:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No, tech companies create slides that might be inspired from other presentations, but rarely do they ever completely copy a design.
Acer proves again that they are a lazy company that likes to create sub-par products to sell to the lowest common denominator.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 7:47 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Daring Fireball linked to this. That’s what Daring Fireball does. It’s not petty if you see the big picture.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 9:20 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The “big picture”? There’s a big picture with regards to slides?……….
Posted on Jan 10, 2012 | 11:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Umm…wouldn’t it take more then a year develop this service? I’m not saying it not a copy, but how can you say it wasnt in the pipe before hand? They just changed there policy to match apple?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 7:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The SLIDES (which is what the article is talking about) were definitely not in the pipeline for that long.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:23 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I can’t believe this is an argument…
It’s SO CLEAR that Acer completely and shamelessly ripped off Apple’s presentation and even names of their service are completely phoned in! Picstream? AcerCloud? REALLY? Those were the most original names they can think of?
It’s one thing for something to be inspired by or take design cues from. But this is blatant copying of presentation! This is some idiot working in PowerPoint and decided that he wanted to leave work early and create a lazy design by stealing someone else layout.
I think anyone who denies must be completely blind.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 7:45 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
There are many ways Acer could have used to show their implimentation of their cloud services. It took me only 2 minutes to come up with this representation:
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:02 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://www.troovi.com/oHmQd7nw4bRZ
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
honestly, that’s sad. so freaking blatant, I’ll be upset if Acer doesn’t get its ass sued
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Can we give Mike his own “big boy” forum where he can just write hundreds of comments of nonsense and other people can visit if they want be in a flame war? Because if he is going to troll every single article that suggests Apple is being copied, that’s just about everyday now…
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 9:06 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Almost the entirety of comments on this article violate the “don’t be a jerk” guidelines that set The Verge apart from just about everyone else. Mods, do your worst, please.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 9:18 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 10:24 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
hahahahha you are awesome.
Posted on Jan 10, 2012 | 5:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
does anyone outside of the over the top Apple fanboys really care? And the question is, this time tomorrow morning is anyone going to remember what the slideshow looked like?
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 10:32 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Totally true. Why bother arguing over this? I doubt anyone will ever use AcerCloud. This is CES we’re talking about. Not everything ends up being a success.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 11:53 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
This is a DOA service. It’s only hope of some success is for Apple to sue Acer. Then the Android folks will care.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:14 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Nice mature comment…
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Does the article mention that the service copies iCloud, or the unveil? Why would Apple sue… they didn’t invent cloud services…
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think everyone should criticize this. If not for the blatant copying, at least for the laziness. If Acer can’t even put together a decent presentation, how can we be assured that they can produce a decent cloud service. It’s like they don’t even care.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 7:32 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I don’t post much, but this article is not informative in anyway. What are we supposed to do with the info presented in this article? Once you can answer that question you’ll realize that the article is flame bait.
Mike, I see what you’re trying to do, and I even agree with you (to a certain point) but once realize that your arguments are falling on deaf ears you’ve gotta let it go
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
We’re supposed to chuckle that a cheap KIRF PC manufacturer, that has stated repeatedly over the past year that they want to be more like Apple and stop selling cheap products, can’t even get their shit together enough to come up with a presentation on their own without being ‘inspired’ by Apple presentation slides.
It’s a joke post. All the righteous indignation of the Wintards and Fandroids over what is essentially a snark post, just goes to show that the lot of you should really start taking laxatives.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 2:35 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
It goes beyond a joke and illustrates the sad status of some players in the industry. I can understand companies copying features of each other such as some Ultrabook makers following Apple’s lead by implementing large glass touchpad, Apple copying the notification bar of Android, Android copying the general iOS operations, etc. Usually by doing that they try to improve on the features and everyone benefits. In such cases, we can make fun of them for doing so, but consumers win.
This job by Acer is clearly a blatant attempt to position its product in line with the competing Apple product without much added benefit to the consumers. Worse, Acer actually made the slide worse by picking inferior font and illustration. This is something that cheapens the whole industry and consumers actually lose out in the long haul.
Still, some cannot accept Acer’s wrong doing and the sadness of this “copy” job, and somehow try to put the blame on The Verge team for being “biased” only because their own bias cannot accept Apple is a trendsetter and Acer actually is in the wrong.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:34 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The notification bar was present in Cydia back in 2007.
Posted on Jan 14, 2012 | 1:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not that it’s going to matter. My guess is that they went the deliberate ‘copy’ Apple route for the attention that it brings rather than promoting the service.
Just look at the TV market – no one is making money off of it. It’s a low margin business. Every single company there wants Apple to compete. Samsung probably already has a team in place ready to copy the marketing and PR aspects.
Acer just jumped on the iCloud copy-cat boat before anyone else did.
Every single ultra book vendor has but one ambition – to be crowned the Macbook Air alternative. Nothing more, nothing less.
So why are we all shocked? It is just common ‘business’ sense.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 12:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
This is sad. Not the copy of the slide, which is lazy and somewhat amusing. The fact that one guy with way too much free time has succeeded in turning The Verge comments sections from a nice place into a flamewar with all the worst qualities of tech comment sections across the web. I welcome discussion, but this is just pointless and gross.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 3:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
As I said before, Mike The Cat turns comment sections into his personal litter box.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:33 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I think maybe this post was ill-advised and Paul could have predicted the comments section would plummet. It’s a little embarrassing all around, for the commenters and for the Verge. But I think, trolling and fanboyism aside, there are some legitimate questions buried in there and room for a discussion that everyone could benefit from.
To that end, it probably doesn’t serve the Verge or its community to make front-page news out of every time a company copies another company’s designs, the fact that this usually tends to involve Apple somehow only makes it worse. But, the fact that it usually involves Apple also invites the possibility of a post that seeks to breakdown and examine the roles that design, innovation, and copy-cats play in the industry. This thread became a train wreck, but I think that is partially indicative of a reader base that is fundamentally ignorant or lacking in the terms to adequately discuss this topic.
I think, design is becoming an increasingly more relevant and demanded aspect of consumer electronics and technology overall. Now that even low-end machines are more than capable at handling the majority of tasks most people will use them for, the new challenge that company’s are presented with is making well designed and well built machines. It’s also evident in software where you have an enormous boom in “Apps” being developed and it is often only the well designed ones that gain any real traction or at least, standout.
So that is becoming the climate of the tech world, but as evidenced from such a vitriolic and bizarre comment thread as this one, more than a few users could benefit from a solid, concise and well presented article investigating and explaining the issues surrounding design as it applies to popular electronics. I’d read it, at least.
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 4:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
We change font, paint ugly cloud and reverse engineer Airport logo. WE ARE ORIGINAL!
Posted on Jan 09, 2012 | 8:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My message is in the same font as all the others. Am i ripping off everyone else’s post? This is pure flame-bait and i lost alot of respect for paul.
Posted on Jan 10, 2012 | 10:59 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
a cloud is a cloud i dont see how it can be different…. All clouds are the same so
Posted on Jan 10, 2012 | 1:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Didnt the verge copy engadget?? just saying
Posted on Jan 10, 2012 | 1:08 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
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