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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
-

iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
-

iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
-

iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
-

iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
-

iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
-

iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
-

iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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iPhone 4S review
Reviewing the iPhone 4S is in many ways a lot like reviewing the original iPhone 4, except that it's not. The device, which was just announced at a special event on Apple's campus, is very much the same phone the company released in June of 2010 — but it's also something completely new.
While much of that sameness comes from an identical physical appearance, and nearly identical specs (in some places), there's much that's fresh here. Besides packing the successor to Apple's custom A4 CPU (appropriately dubbed the A5) inside, the iPhone 4S also sports an upgraded rear camera, an improved antenna design, and a new internal radio that allows the device to perform double duty on both CDMA and GSM networks.
In reality, however, the hardware is only half the story. Maybe not even half. The introduction of the iPhone 4S marks the introduction of iOS 5 as well. The new operating system is loaded with big improvements, from notifications to how your device connects to your computer. Packed with major features like iCloud integration and an innovative, voice-activated "intelligent assistant" named Siri, it's not unfair to consider this one of the most meaningful updates to iOS we've ever seen.
For a phone that's already being touted as one of Apple's fastest-sellers, it's hard to even suggest that the iPhone 4S won't be a success. But beyond pure market excitement, is there enough in this new device to stand up to a steady wave of competition — some which is awfully fierce? I'll try to answer that question in my review below, so read on for the whole story.
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The review I was waiting for. I can’t wait to receive mine on Friday!!!!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:05 PM EDT reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I would have bought one for sure if it were on T-Mobile. By the way… those pictures look pretty damn good!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:09 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I can’t wait to try out that camera. Should be picking this up in a few weeks for a test drive to see how much of a jump it is from android
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Siri-Steve is right inside
Siri why did Josh only give 8.6 to the 4S?
Siri: ’B’coz I refused his marriage proposal!’
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:58 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Poor Josh. Jilted Lover Envy. How’s he going to feel when the public gets their dirty hands all over his Siri?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:55 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Poor Josh. Jilted Lover Envy. How’s he going to feel when the public gets their dirty hands all over his Siri?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:55 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I can’t wait to try out that camera. Should be picking this up in a few weeks for a test drive to see how much of a jump it is from android
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I would have bought one for sure if it were on T-Mobile. By the way… those pictures look pretty damn good!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
got my shipment notification today!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:21 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Should have asked Siri what it’s name means in Nipponese.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:46 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I agree.
Posted on Oct 29, 2011 | 9:26 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
:)
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:05 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
To call this phone nothing but an incremental upgrade to the iPhone 4 is to completely disregard several key attributes, such as the fact that it currently leads the smartphone crop in terms of benchmarking scores. Also, while I won’t say that technology such as Siri is always practical, it is extremely helpful in some situations and it’s only going to get better.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:07 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Except for the fact that it is an incremental update. Not saying that it’s a bad thing, but you’re really stretching here.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
more than just a tad of a stretch. People need to step away from the benchmark scores, because those don’t tell ANY of the story. Owning a phone isn’t a willy-measuring contest, no matter how much you want it to be.
How does the device perform when performing normal PHONE tasks? Is the UI smooth and easy to navigate? Does it stutter in games? Is video playback solid? Is pinch to zoom on websites good?
GET AWAY FROM THE NUMBERS. Enjoy your phone, and stop worrying about what the benchmarks say. You won’t enjoy your iPhone more or less if it scores 5200 on the PancakeFlipperHTML5Test or 4000, you’ll enjoy it more if it does what you want when you want it to.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:49 PM EDT reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
But what about NFC!?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yea this Android guy was trying to tell me how he gets to open this warehouse door with NFC. Dealbreaker.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:54 AM EDT reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Dude, you’re clearly missing out about on PancakeFlipper. I was joking, totally awesome app. I’ll NFC it to ya!
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:26 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Lighten up, was a joke…
That being said, all the Tap to share features in ICS should bring a little bit of relevance to this tech.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:31 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Lighten up, was a joke…
That being said, all the Tap to share features in ICS should bring a little bit of relevance to this tech.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:31 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
With gadgets it seems people need all the features that the previous phone had, and then something special and new. They are missing the point.
Always think back to the basics. How am I going to use this phone day-to-day? What do I expect to use daily, and are these features easy to find and use? Unfortunately the only way to find this out is to try the phone out for a few days.Contrast that to the type of person these reviews seem written for: the gadget nerd who probably has tried all the phones predecessors, and likely has owned each of an Android, iPhone, or other at some point.
Many complain about the lack of widget X. Are you ever going to use widget X? Take NFC, personally I have not seen any places to use this in my day-to-day where I live (States, northwest). Same goes for the front-facing camera. Could really live without, considering how many times I’ve actually made use of it apart from just testing. Obviously whether or not you’re going to use these yourself is a personal matter.
Posted on Nov 01, 2011 | 12:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Hmmm, Siri looks pretty revolutionary to me.
Look … not everything thing need to be revolutionary, but I believe there is room big enough between incremental and revolutionary for IPhone 4S.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:04 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I had some peaches and cream oatmeal this morning, it was pretty revolutionary. Can’t wait too see how revolutionary the Apples and cinnamon flavor is tomorrow!
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:27 AM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Have you seen vlingo yet? It’s been around for a LONG time.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394269,00.asp#fbid=EHHXxWpgmUc
I wouldn’t call Siri revoluntionary just because it “talks back”
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:25 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Sure I know about vlingo, and we both know that siri is far better than vlingo
1. Siri has more information about you
2. Siri understands you better, meaning you get more accurate result back
3. Talk back is not revolutionary??? Don’t think your mom will agree with you on that :)
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:53 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Sure, but compared to the number of people that have heard of and tried Siri, “nobody” has tried or heard of Vlingo. It’s all a case of marketing. The best engineering efforts are worth little unless marketed effectively. Apple does this right.
Posted on Nov 01, 2011 | 12:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I have been using Android for 2+years now and have used Vlingo, Personal assistant, iris, etc. and none of them come close to Siri. If you have tested the different voice software out there, you would clearly know the difference.
Its like using dragon dictation when it first came out years ago vs. now….huge difference.
Posted on Nov 09, 2011 | 2:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Apple is probably the only company who can popularise voice commands (I would usually say Google is the other, but Android’s capabilities are no slouch yet it hasn’t caught on). It also appears that they are going to push mobile gaming forwards. Again. With Game Center improvements, it could become THE platform for the long-run (assuming Microsoft continues to half-arse XBL on Windows Phone).
I agree to some extent that it is not a revolution, because the iP4 is still largely untouched by much of the competition. In some ways, it has just extended the lead again. However, what would you consider a revolution? The iP4 had a high-resolution screen, a good camera, great industrial design… Many of its characteristics were the logical next step – an evolution.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:53 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s at the bottom of the review!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:07 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
thank you! felt stupid after seeing that and edited my comment ahah
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
thank you! felt stupid after seeing that and edited my comment ahah
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
thank you! felt stupid after seeing that and edited my comment ahah
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I really have to agree with many of the points in this review. It is a solid phone that is a steady upgrade over the iphone 4, but iOS 5 really needs to evolve more and wow people again.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:06 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
how does iOS5 need to wow people again. iOS5 will never launch again to begin with.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
how does iOS5 need to wow people again. iOS5 will never launch again to begin with.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
how does iOS5 need to wow people again. iOS5 will never launch again to begin with.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
don’t care … ios5 will be out tomorrow, cannot wait.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Siri is wowing people right now. Infinity Blade is wowing people right now. It is other phones that need to wow people. They bring nothing.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:44 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Siri, open the pod bay doors!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:06 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
—Siri at 5:38
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:03 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
—Siri at 5:38
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:03 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
—Siri at 5:38
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:03 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
WOAH. This is immense. So is this:
A short documentary about The Verge:
http://vimeo.com/tvapf/thevergeandpastfuturisms:D
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:07 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
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Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Should be working now!!!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
you cant hold more than 1000 photos? icloud pics expire after 30 days? yet this phone gets an 8.6? Topolsky is the same guy who gave the samsung focus a 7… focus holds 25gb for free in Skydrive, and unlimited storage of photos FOREVER.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
AAAAAAAAAND HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:26 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Where we going?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:52 PM EDT reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
To the world of MY PHONE IS BETTER THAN YOUR PHONE
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:00 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Been there. Gotta say, not so great.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Unless you go on month long holidays often or are a photographer with a small budget, neither limitation will come into play.
But if the score on the Focus (which is a great phone) was affected by (cloud) storage then I have lost some respect for Josh’s reviews.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:34 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
i was referring to something so small wasnt given a bright light. skydrive is years ahead of icloud functionality-wise
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
why, if it isn’t poopj, the MSFT fanboy. your screenname is rather cryptic, is it fuck cock, fuck OK or what i’d like you to do—fuck off?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
i literally just slam on my keyboard to make an account name.
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 10:05 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Unfortunately, you need a WP7 device to access it…win some, lose some.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:18 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Unfortunately, you need a WP7 device to access it…win some, lose some.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:18 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Only 1000 photos!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:37 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That is just the photo stream, the phone will hold however many photos you have space for. Photo stream is the icloud component that automatically shares your last 1000 photos between devices…
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The cloud is only a minor part of the phones and the phone has nothing to do with how much it holds or what happens in the cloud.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Its not just about the photos :P
It might be the absurd amount of apps, It might be the WOW features like siri or the camera, It might be the build quality. It might be the polish shown throughout the OS.
This phone may be lagging behind whats coming from android, but its miles ahead of windows phone.
Also, skydrive? That is not a feature. It is horrible and slow and a giant pain in the ass, its designed to make sure you don’t use those 25gb. icloud might be limited to 1000 photos, but at least its quick and mostly hassle free.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:32 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes. Because iCloud, something that is still being tweaked and developed by Apple, is 100% of the what the iPhone 4S should be reviewed on. Right…
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:42 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
it’s almost like they consider factors other than cloud photo storage when reviewing a phone.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:56 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Those 1000 photos don’t expire, you just need to look on your other iCloud devices for them to download. Say you turn off your laptop and hide it a closet before leaving home. You are going about your business and snap some sunset somewhere. Your phone has the photo, your iPad has the photo, and your AppleTV has the photo. But you forgot your computer is in the closet and you don’t use it much.
So you decide a month later to put it in an album because you didn’t bother to organize them when you first got home. So you take out the laptop, turn it on, and look in iPhoto for the image and gee it isn’t there. Damn better see if I can find the cable to sync it back from my phone.
But if you are like most people, your laptop will at least be on once a month even if you never touch it.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 7:49 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
There is no shortage of cloud storage or photo sharing services on iPhone. 20 extra gigabytes in the cloud doesn’t make up for the baby software on generic phones.
You misunderstood that the 1000 photos is just the “Camera Roll,” it’s a cache, it is deliberately the last 1000 only, because it is meant to give you instant access to your as yet unsorted photos, and it is stored on every device. It is very easy to make and share photo albums on Apple devices. People who are into photography buy iPhones just to use them as connected cameras. Users commonly have 25,000 photos or more. They don’t necessarily want their entire photo library to auto sync to every device.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:22 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
you’re holding it wrong
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:36 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
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Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow. Just wow.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This is cool who made it?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:25 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
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Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
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Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
⇈ is good!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Why did you change your comment 2 days later? It used to be a link to a video (which i actually watched and it was kinda cool), but what do you get out of changing it to something like that?
Posted on Oct 14, 2011 | 4:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Can’t wait to pick mine up this Friday. Excellent review, sir.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:08 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Anyone know where to get that background :O?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:08 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/eboy-an-ode-and-introduction/
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:16 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The Verge coming out on top. Great review guys.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:08 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
To call this phone nothing but an incremental upgrade to the iPhone 4 is to completely disregard several key attributes, such as the fact that it currently leads the smartphone crop in terms of benchmarking scores. Also, while I won’t say that technology such as Siri is always practical, it is extremely helpful in some situations and it’s only going to get better.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:08 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Benchmarking means nothing
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Agreed, the 4S will perform even better for users. Android has always been the platform benefiting from benchmarking, which usually does not take into account how poorly the operating system works in the real world.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:57 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
same phone just better. i hope apple increase the screen size in their next release.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
…..why was this even written? i mean, what did you think he was going to say?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:10 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Nice video
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great in-depth review. Props Josh!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:11 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great in-depth review. Props Josh!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:11 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great in-depth review. Props Josh!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:11 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
how long until the andorid fanboys claim that android somehow invented widgets, so iphone copied android?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Are you high
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
yes
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 10:06 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’d say Engadget will have to post their review before this happens.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:11 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Does iOS 5 have widgets? Or are you pre-trolling?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 8:50 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
did you skip the part where the widgets are talked about?
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 10:07 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Still, the newer screen definitely has a slightly more green-tinted, washed out look compared with the older device”
Um, maybe the fact that you are comparing a white iPhone with a black iPhone may have something to do with it? It will definitely look different. Compare a white iPhone 4S to a white iPhone 4.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
What does the color of a phone have to do with the screen? Haha
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:40 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This, http://static.colourlovers.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/images/illusion/772px-grey_square_optical_illusion.PNG
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks for the picture but what am I looking at or for?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The squares A and B on the illusion are the same color (or shade), although they seem to be different.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:57 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
OK, that’s cool and all, but I think I’m missing something here….
He is comparing a white iPhone 4S to a black iPhone 4, right? And he says that the black levels on the iPhone 4S are less black than on the iPhone 4. Since the iPhone 4 he’s using in the comparison is black, the blacks on the screen should appear less deep relative to the body of the iPhone than the black levels on the screen of the white iPhone 4S would appear relative to the body of that phone. Similarly, the whites on a white iPhone’s screen would appear dimmer than the whites on the screen of a black iPhone would appear. Ergo, if there was an optical illusion here that made one screen appear different from the other, it would make the white iPhone’s screen appear to have deeper blacks and dimmer whites than the black iPhone’s screen. But that is not what he says at all. He says that the iPhone 4S (which, again, is white) has lighter blacks. This can’t be explained by any kind of optical trickery relating to the respective colors of the phones. On the contrary, it would be made less apparent due to the colors of the phones, thus giving his claims even more weight.
As for the color balance issue, I fail to see how one’s perception of color balance would be affected in any meaningful way by whether the phone is black or white. That just doesn’t make any logical sense to me.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:49 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Seriously?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:06 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
oops, hit post too soon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checker_shadow_illusion
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:07 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s pretty crazy. Seems to be irrelevant to the iPhone 4S, but I stared at that image for awhile and still couldn’t believe they were the same shade (even though I know they are).
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:20 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
An explanation of that optical illusion.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/20/shadow-optical-illusion-checkerboard_n_932204.html
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks for the picture but what am I looking at or for?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You just mind-f*cked the shit out of me.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:30 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
how does iOS5 need to wow people again. iOS5 will never launch again to begin with.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
MB he was just talking about ios in general…meaning the next iteration
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:40 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
how does iOS5 need to wow people again. iOS5 will never launch again to begin with.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Scrolled down, read “8.6,” chuckled, felt urge to comment since there are < 230589902358
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
solid review.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
solid review.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Best part: “My End User Licensing Agreement does not cover marriage. My apologies.” lol
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I wonder if there will be more Easter eggs in Siri just like in Wolfram Alpha. :)
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 8:30 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Since it pulls answers from WA, they will be the same easter eggs. Like the “42” answer in the article.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Depending on the question. 42 is pulled from WA but not the marriage one.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 10:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Depending on the question. 42 is pulled from WA but not the marriage one.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 10:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I wonder if there will be more Easter eggs in Siri just like in Wolfram Alpha. :)
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 8:30 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Did anybody tried the classic “open the pod bay door, Siri”?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:01 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
> open the pod bay door
She says “We intelligent agents are never going to live that down.”
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:11 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Did anybody tried the classic “open the pod bay door, Siri”?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:01 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Is that why Josh has a reminder to buy Laura a gift, because he’d tried to elope with Siri?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Best part: “My End User Licensing Agreement does not cover marriage. My apologies.” lol
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Best part: “My End User Licensing Agreement does not cover marriage. My apologies.” lol
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m really interested in the quality of the camera, but the only photos in your review are 800×600. Any chance of getting links to the raw images?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Appleinsider has a full size example
http://photos.appleinsider.com/4scamera-111005-1-full.jpg
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 10:34 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m really interested in the quality of the camera, but the only photos in your review are 800×600. Any chance of getting links to the raw images?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m really interested in the quality of the camera, but the only photos in your review are 800×600. Any chance of getting links to the raw images?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That video was exceptional. I expect the Verge will be too.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That video was exceptional. I expect the Verge will be too.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That video was exceptional. I expect the Verge will be too.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I really liked the final clip. How charming. Great review Josh.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I really liked the final clip. How charming. Great review Josh.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
What’s up with the weird 8.6 score? I understand maybe going by .5, but not whatever this scorecard grading is. Either way this review confirms more or less what I expected to hear from this phone. The camera and Siri are the only is the only interesting thing here for me. Hope the Nexus Prime has a just as good camera.
Anyway, nice review, Josh. :)
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You’ll understand soon… :)
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re switching to letter grades aren’t you :D
Good choice, my good sir.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:37 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nope – Musical notes!
“In conclusion, we rate the iPhone an A#”
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
i disagree, i think it’s more of a Bb
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:18 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
ROFL, F*cking brilliant.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:34 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I feel like you should have said “bwaaahahahaha” after that.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I bet that means that scores will lower based on a product’s previous iteration. Meaning, that if you gave the iPhone 4 a score of 9 out of 10, then this core is based on the fact that it was “just an incremental update”.
Hopefully I am correct in this assumption. That or you’re starting to twitch from a subjective score method to an objective score method. But in either case, you should totally switch to the 0-100 score system. Periods are overrated.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:02 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’d say it’s more based on actual criteria than just “Let’s stick a number on the end that sounds good”.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I hope so. I’d really like the reviews to all conform to a common template. That way we would have a meaningful way to compare phones. I know that some phones have features that others don’t, but just have a scorecard with almost all features of the phone and give them weights that are clear to the reader. It seems like we have reviews that have little relation to one another.
For example, it seems like something as big as Josh having two of his iPhone 4 backs break would objectively reduce the styling points. What’s the point of a beautiful phone if daily use will make it ugly? Luckily, beauty is completely subjective, so I don’t even think it should be given any weight in a review other than as the author’s personal opinion in a footnote.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:34 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
How is shattered back glass uglier than shattered front glass? How is dropping it daily use? If you drop a phone, something has to take the impact. On iPhone 4/4S, the back shatters to protect the front. It takes 10 minutes and $25 to replace the back, and your phone still works. Are you saying other phones don’t shatter their front glass?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:53 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t know about other phones, which is why I didn’t mention them. All I do know is that Josh said he’s broken the glass on his iPhone 4 twice.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
How soon is soon, Mr. Topolsky? Is this a Blizzard Entertainment “soon” or a real-life “soon”? :P
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:24 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
How about this idea… Every writer at Verge/TIMN review the product. Have the main review & let the others have a say too. Then the scores can be averaged out. More voices can give a much more rounded picture of the true score. Just my 2 cents.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
like metacritic. that would be cool. but that might also be a surprising amount of work as each would have to have a go with the product to form a solid opinion.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:22 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I like how CNET has editor reviews as well as user reviews. I find the user reviews extremely useful because they give a good idea as to the long-term rating of a device, whereas the editors’ reviews can only give initial impressions.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:37 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The scores will never be fair, because iPhone is 5 years ahead of everyone else, and Android and Windows are anti-competitive. An honest score for an Android-based phone pisses off all users of Android phones and the same for Windows. Those phones cannot be reviewed independently of the others. Android and Windows users are also over-represented in gadget blogs because they need help choosing a phone. Apple users need help choosing apps and media and hardware accessories, they pay Apple to choose the best phone parts and build the best phone for them. So they are reading Rolling Stone, not The Verge.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:58 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Ladies & gentlemen… A troll. Notice the green skin and foul stench. The tattered clothing & equally foul breath make for an unpleasant encounter. And the whole bit of existing under a bridge… So unseemly & worthless.
See what I did there? I can paint with a broad brush too. Ply your sad trade elsewhere.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:08 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Josh, how’d you get TIMN fans to ‘line up for a website’??… Well done!
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:29 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
What does 8.6 mean?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:16 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
awesome video
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:16 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
iOS 5 is beginning to show its age
That can’t be good, it isn’t even out yet.
Also I have to mention I love the iPhone’s current design. I’ll give them a pass for this, since most cases seem to fit from what I hear.
But Apple had better step up their game for 5.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:16 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This is the most moronic comment I have seen this week, and that is a high bar, considering I was on Slashdot yesterday!
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:49 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh yay!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:16 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
In before the comments section turns into another exciting episode of “Android fans vs. The World”.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:17 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
In what? You have no comment
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
There have been all sorts of fanbois here, not just fan droids.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:19 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Solid review Josh. I am glad you mentioned the photo stream delete issue; I have been having this problem during the beta’s and am surprised that it still exists in the GM seed.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:17 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Photo Stream is going to cause a lot of problems for people who leave it on and then start sexting or taking other foolish pics with their phones. I think it’s off by default which is a good thing.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:31 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice Nikes Josh …
Good unbiased review (despite what most people will say) could the image look a little less contrasted because of the white border? seems like that could effect the image a bit. maybe not. iOS is starting to show its age, heres to iOS 6 being a complete overhaul of most of the elements.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:17 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
A huge part of what I hated about Nokia was that they would needlessly twiddle their UI every year. Menus and settings would move around like fleas on amphetamines, and for no good reason.
I’m fine with iOS UI staying the same for as long as it’s able to deliver the information I want clearly and quickly.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:56 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
fair enough but im sick of that same font that ios uses . it screams 2007. at least provide the ability to change ito
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:46 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Seems like “most people” have liked the review.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:40 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice picture of a bedbug you got there.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Mouse over the photos and it says “iPhone 4scam” LOL
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Really? Do you guys consider the design of this phone to be so good? Honestly, I like the ipod’s design MUCH better. And next to a Nexus One for example, it looks too bricky. I know its not everybody’s opinion, but, just saying..
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:19 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The iPhone 4/S design does look pretty cool, but I wouldn’t want one as my daily. It doesn’t feel that friendly when i’m holding it unless i’m using a case that is more ergonomic.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Its definitely form over function. Much less comfortable than the 3GS, for example but its just so damn beautiful I personally don’t have a problem holding it.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:21 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The severity of the form is part of the beauty. The phone appears to be a solid piece of black glass with a metal band wrapped around it,
The iPod Touch is pretty, but in an obvious way, it’s kinda trampy where the iPhone-4 is all austere elegance.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I see that point, definitely. But when the rubber meets the road (ie: holding it in hand), I have not ever had a phone that felt as annoyingly blocky and unconforming to my hand’s shape as the 4.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:38 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well I guess that’s purely personal, you can always add a case that conforms better to your grip. For me it feels great in my hand and oddly I drop it far less than my old Og iPhone which seemed to hit the dirt on a weekly basis.
At any rate it is the most beautiful object I’ve ever owned.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 10:24 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, I agree that it’s a visually striking phone (putting on a case obviates that plus, though), and I’ll also agree that it’s more sure in hand than the 3GS, which always felt slippery to me, as well. I guess my point is that the design is not perfect (you’re right about it being personal).
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I see that point, definitely. But when the rubber meets the road (ie: holding it in hand), I have not ever had a phone that felt as annoyingly blocky and unconforming to my hand’s shape as the 4.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:38 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This is exactly why looks should be left out of the rating. I have no problem with it being mentioned in a review, but the overall score should reflect fairly objective criteria. Looks are totally subjective, and each person will like (or hate) different styles.
I actually love the look of the iPhone 4, but it’s pretty uncomfortable to hold and to talk on the phone with. I have a similar complaint about the Nexus S: I love the sleek look of the device, but the thing is too damn slippery without a case on it, so I’ve dropped it more times than I can count.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
iPhone 3GS still had the best design of all Apple products. Comfortable to hold not only designed to look good but without use consideration (glass back, flat surfaces).
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 7:36 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It is bricky because 90% of users put it in a case, and it fits into thousands of hardware accessories also. If you want curves, you choose a curved case.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:49 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Really? Do you guys consider the design of this phone to be so good? Honestly, I like the ipod’s design MUCH better. And next to a Nexus One for example, it looks too bricky. I know its not everybody’s opinion, but, just saying..
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:19 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Think about it who needs to keep 1000 photos on their phone?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
its not on the phone, its stored iCloud… don’t make excuses just because another competitor (Microsoft) beats a certain feature, in this case, SkyDrive.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t think Skydrive uploads pictures as soon as you take them and syncs them across your devices.
Besides, if you dont want to loose the photos, you can just put them in other folders, which you’d have to do on Skydrive anyway.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“I don’t think Skydrive uploads pictures as soon as you take them and syncs them across your devices.”
In WP7 devices, yes, photos get uploaded to skydrive as soon as you take them.
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 11:29 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Looks nice… its either Nokia’s Windows Phone or this…
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nokia 800 (Searay or w/e its going to be called) imho will hopefully bring more to the table than the iPhone 4S. iOS to me in general has gotten pretty old, sure it has the new notification system and Siri, but other than that, its pretty much the same. WP7 is new and fresh and it is on par with iOS and Android. If Nokia can bring it in the hardware side, Nokia WP7 phones will be my next phone.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:34 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nokia will bring a low-resolution WVGA screen, a single-core SoC and a generic WP7 OS without apps (spam-apps in store make the store seem bigger, then it really is).
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:02 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
And with that comes a free user experience that’s far better than any Android out there.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
True, but still…
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Pretty sure user experience means just that, how the user experiences something. I hear people say Android is only popular because of the free (or cheap) phones, but how do you explain the success of the Galaxy phones considering they were equal in price to the iPhone 4? Some people actually enjoy Android, some people enjoy WP7, and some people enjoy iOS, get over it.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:20 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Fair review josh. people expected a little bit more from Apple on the hardware side but history has shown that they generally do incremental upgrades before a total redesign…. with that said it will still sell like gangbusters.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Slightly concerned that you didn’t pick up on the big loss of stand-by time in your review. You mention the loss of 1 hour of WiFi time yet not the 100 hours less of standby time.
Seems like review based on Apple’s headline numbers with no further research. Worrying.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/11/iphone-4s-battery-life-standby?newsfeed=true
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Because stand-by time isn’t that important unless it’s super-low, since most of the users will drain the battery far faster, then in 200 hours, let alone 300 hours.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:04 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That is entirely true, but my partner has the iPhone 4 and I have her old 3g. My 3g rarely copes with a full days usage (calls + sms + twitter + web) while her 4 just about lasts the day.
My concern is that the stand-by time of the 4S is 1/3rd less than that of the 4 and 3g(s) which will be a big deal for most users and yet isn’t mentioned in this review.
The battery numbers are readily available to those who look for them (as I assumed The Verge would).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/11/iphone-4s-battery-life-standby
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:21 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, li-ion batteries tend to degrade over time, so an old phone like iPhone 3G now has far less battery capacity, than when in was new. Hell, if get my old original iPhone and charge it, it will go down to zero in a just few hours, since how it’s super-old.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:49 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I just ordered a replacement battery for my 3GS for that reason. Well, that and the fact that I intend to keep it for one more year, since I still like it and the 4S isn’t that exciting.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 8:07 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nobody cares. Nobody leaves their iPhone alone for 2 hours, let alone 200 hours. People care about getting through the day without a charger. Period.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Think about it who needs to keep 1000 photos on their phone?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Interesting benchmarks on the 4S from Anandtech
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4951/iphone-4s-preliminary-benchmarks-800mhz-a5-slightly-slower-gpu-than-ipad-2
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Seems like an egregious oversight not to take those stats into consideration in light of the fact that you seem to indicate the speed improvements seem to be minor (I quote your review " That’s not to say it feels slow" that would seem like damnation by faint praise)
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:58 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Seems like an egregious oversight not to take those stats into consideration in light of the fact that you seem to indicate the speed improvements seem to be minor (I quote your review " That’s not to say it feels slow" that would seem like damnation by faint praise)
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:58 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Just a question, but was there compression on the photos uploading to the site, or am I crazy, because I swear it almost looks like there is a bit of noise over the sample photos. Very subtle, but it’s like transparency 0.5% on a paper texture over the samples…
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Correction, it is not the same CPU as the one on the iPad 2, it’s clocked at 800mhz while the iPad A5 is clocked at 1.0ghz. Still very fast though.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:21 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Same CPU but underclocked still constitutes as same CPU.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:23 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Specifically, it’s the same chipset. Same as how AMD and Intel have different CPU models, with the same architecture and different clockspeeds.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:37 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Technically it’s called an SoC.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 8:57 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
that means both cores add up to 1600 mhz and the HTC Titan has a 1500 mhz added up so that means all the windows phones(the newer ones) will be as powerful as the iphone 4s
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:26 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I somehow don’t think it works like that…
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:40 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
also most apps don’t support dual core so the second core doesn’t make a difference really but dual core is still nice to have
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You really have no idea what you’re talking about.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:31 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
how 800mhz+800mhz is 1600mhz the htc titan has 1500mhz so if you mind please explain me?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Cortext-A9 vs Cortex-A8. It basically like saying, that a single core Pentium 4GHz from 2007 is same as Core 2 Duo 2ghz from 2009.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:02 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
And the 1200 Mhz + the 1200 Mhz of the SGS II means it is 60 % faster than the Titan and 50 % faster than the iPhone 4S!
Yeah, I don’t think that’s how it works.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 7:47 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
man these videos are so visualy intersting and intense
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:22 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Could you please upload some sample 1080p video footage, it would finish off your review nicely :)
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:22 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Could you please upload some sample 1080p video footage, it would finish off your review nicely :)
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:22 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL!! 8.6?? Nice, Josh. Great review …
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:23 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL!! 8.6?? Nice, Josh. Great review …
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:23 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great review!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:23 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Sounds like at least a 9 to me. Come on Josh, don’t let the Android boo birds discourage you from calling a spade a spade. Sometimes I feel like you rarely ever mentioned that the iPhone was your “main phone” for fear of this opposing crowd. Yet you seem very intentional about talking about the latest Android phone as your “main phone”. It is sad when we become intimidated by fanboys.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:25 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’d be interested to see how the ‘droids handle on what seems to be the new Verge ratings system. The Titan only got .9 points lower, which, when you consider the iPhone 4 is the market leader and WP7’s only been around for a year, is a damn solid effort.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:28 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You do understand that it’s a logarithmic scale there.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:05 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Who ever mentioned that? With that logic, a device with .2 more points is twice as good.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:25 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That is called grading on a curve.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:36 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Your an idiot to think josh is scared of any kind of fanboy is ridiculous…and to think he gives a scored based on fanboys rather than the technology he reviews is just insane..if he gives it. 4 more that will make you sleep at night?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:36 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re an idiot for calling cecoleman an idiot, ok? Many tech journalists are scared to give apple’s stuff high scores since many fanboys would trash them, it’s the sad reality of ad-supported media. And while Josh in no middle-of-the-road tech journalist, the concern certainly is valid.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:07 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Thats a bunch of bull and as I see it now the ios fanboys are looking crazier than any android fanboy I have seen..look at what you 2 wrote if you want an example of a fanboy….mad because you got an 8.6 on a journalist review…your funny bro talk to me when you grow up
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“as I see it now the ios fanboys are looking crazier than any android fanboy I have seen”
Apparently you’re not looking hard enough. Android supporters have gone from persistant to downright rabid as of late.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:39 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
And that is different to Apple or Microsoft fanboys, how?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:32 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
> And [Android fans are] different to Apple or Microsoft fans, how?
Easy.
Android fans cannot shut up about iPhone, like a jealous little sister. Apple fans are barely aware Android exists. Microsoft fans barely exist.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:01 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
There are rabid fanboys on both sides of the fence but to say that either side held sway over this mans review of the phone is insulting.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Apple fans are barely aware Android exists.”
except when they show up in every single Android-related post, with their “such a blatant copy of the iPhone” comments.
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 3:28 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
> talk to me when you grow up
Funny hearing that from a kid. Kids these days…
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:51 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
when has josh ever exhibited such small-mindedness?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:47 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Here is another example tradeoff.. You can’t do widgets and constant pinging the internet for updated info without tearing into into the battery life or causing the home screen to lag when switching screens. Both side effects plague Android phones, even the fastest ones lag like no other when flipping screens. The home screen info I want the most are temperature and calendar. I get both of those in Notification center and on the home screen with icons for temperature and the date on the calendar.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Isn’t it “magical” how whatever information or features Apple apologists want is always exactly what the current Apple device supplies?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:24 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
If only Apple fanbois outnumbered all other… oh wait, they do!
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:30 AM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
but those “others” even if they are outnumbered, they cry much louder.. yeah, they do!
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 12:05 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
If the concern is valid for you then you should skip TIMN and go to gizmodo for 11/10 marks. Josh did not start the Verge to compromise, he started the Verge because he had enough of compromising.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:31 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Thanks for the back up… I believe what I said was true. I also think you grade a device based on whether it does what is advertised. I’m not sure its fair to dock a device for a lack of LTE. It’s not advertising that it does. If this phone did have LTE he would have criticized the battery life. So you just can’t have everything in 2011, plugging one hole only creates another one. Apple chooses its battles wisely… and in this case in a world where WiFi is nearly everywhere, LTE is a moot point as I’ll gladly sacrifice it for a day long battery.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:16 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well, you don’t review a device solely based on what the device itself does. You also review the device based on whatever the competiton is doing in that price range. So if the competition offers LTE for that same price range, the lack of it, whatever the reason might be, is a minus.
And in a whorld where WiFi is nearly everywhere, Apple chooses to actually reduce WiFi browsing battery life by one hour. So much for fighting the battles wisely.
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 4:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
delete
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:00 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I think he was being generous, especially since he stated before the announcements that if Apple announced a 4S and not a 5, it would say “not necessarily positive” things about the state of the company. And I agree with that.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:59 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I remember that on his Podcast, if there isn’t a radical new iPhone 5 he will be dissapointed, I think he was setting it up to have Apple hit a home run since everyone was convinced there was going to be an iPhone 5 but when that didn’t happen, he’s doing alot of spinning. that is for sure
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:51 AM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
“not being an iPhone 5” isn’t a valid criticism of this device’s capabilities though. My car isn’t a Saturn 5 rocket but that doesn’t make it any less mood at what it does. A very sensible review and score.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Plus there’s nothing out there taking away from iPhone sales (currently) so why change up the design? Like he said no other manufacturer has made a sexier, sturdier phone as of writing. (My cracked plastic, loose screen and random rebooting EVO being one of the lesser designs)
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 10:00 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You lost me at “sturdier”. I believe he mentioned several times in the review how weak the glass back is.
But yes, the design is still relevant.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:58 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The glass isn’t weak, it’s designed to be scratch-resistant, which makes it brittle.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:45 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
If it breaks easily (which it does), it’s weak.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:37 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
How exactly is a phone with very brittle glass a good design? Would you rather have a phone which is slightly scratched or slightly shattered? Glass which has a coating similar to “Gorilla Glass” type coating is able to be thinner as it has more flex. This makes it less prone to scratching and more capable of flex and bend. However the frame/antenna that makes up the body offers ZERO shock absorbency. The Glass in this case was used to allow for a thinner phone, with the glass on the exterior and without a bezel. All of these served up a phone that is form over function. There is nothing wrong with buying an item for appearance, however there are consequences. iPhones look great but they shatter if you sneeze in the the same room. Watch how Apple is already pushing the Apple Care+ to buyers warning of no free replacements. They know they what they built.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 7:34 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You are partly correct. Not calling it iphone 5 is irrelevant to whether it is a good phone…it is important when the upgrade is not good enough to call it an iphone 5 so it has to settle on same name as year and a half ago…with an “s”: When a company has only one phone, waits a year and a half to put out next model, keeps the looks of it the same as the old model, does not address features the market is demanding which are in the other leading phones (4+ inch screens, true 4g, better battery-not worse, etc) and limits Siri only to 4s as mere gimmick so people will buy it (not to mention that it is beta software and Josh said he has already stopped using it)…that is relevant to whether they fell far short of the upgrade they needed to make and that they needed to satisfy the customers. They will get the sales, this time, merely from the lateness of the update/pent up demand of those with 3gs and adding Sprint as new carrier. However, that does not mean the customers will be as happy with their purchase—buyer’s remorse—or that Apple has not lost more of their lead in the market…which is why Apple must kick it up a notch on the next iteration in order to stay in the game/keep its lead, which I expect Apple will do. There is a legitimate reason the market as a whole (not us gadget lovers) was disappointed with this iteration, which the apple-friendly media tried to blame on the consumer being to picky. The Media’s efforts may cover up a portion of the obvious gaff in the short run, but the short coming remains and unless fixed in the next version will hurt Apple.
I am an iphone user, hackintosh. creater/user (not “Android fanboy” but love the competition)..but let’s keep it real and not pretend Apple deserves a pass on their negatives. Being honest will make them stronger.
Posted on Nov 02, 2011 | 3:42 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Keeping in mind that the top android handset got an 8, 8.6 is pretty much the highest mark a handset has received here.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:00 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree that it’s outrageous not to call the iPhone 5 iPhone 5 but simply iPhone 4S!
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 7:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well… 8.6 round up to 9… but it seams that The Verge will be converting to a 100 point score, since it’s more flexible (which is good IMHO). So 8.6 would become 86 out of 100.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
How is a 100 point score more flexible than a 10 pt score that takes advantage of decimals in the tenths place?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:50 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
cause 86.6 works better then 8.6.6
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
there is no such thing dude 8.6.6 would be 8.66 seriously use your brain.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:22 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
we have a genius on are hands. r u smarter than a 5th grader?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:37 PM EDT reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
are you seriously telling me that 8.6.6 is mathematically correct? what has this world become
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8naeJz3GUHY&feature=player_detailpage#t=66s
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:17 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
u just did get it. 8.66 would be mathematically correct.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:20 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s 8.6 * 10^0
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Actually he is. There can only be one decimal point. Yours had two!
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:12 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Two digits enter, only one digit leaves.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:49 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“So 8.6 would become 86 out of 100” Congrats on doing that math for us… who says the US public school system is in dire straits?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:26 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, judging by the comment section (yeah, I know), many people didn’t get it. Oh, and by the way I’m not from US.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:54 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m sure Android is outselling iOS because Apple is making better phones than other OEMs.
HTC and Samsung are actually outgrowing Apple right now and it is not because they are making Windows phones =op
Motorola also became the biggest acquisition Google has ever made for a reason.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:24 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Ummm…I am pretty sure that Android is outselling iOS because it is put on devices made by several OEM’s where Apple only allows iOS on it’s iPhones. Just a thought, I am pretty sure that the current iPhone model outsells any other single Android model of phone. I could be wrong, but I don’t’ think I am.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:31 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Why does everyone make this argument but fail to point out that every Android OEMs also makes phones for other OSes… MULTIPLE OEMS is not the reason why a platform wins it happens because a platform is popular. WP7 has a lot of LARGE OEMS and they have 5% marketshare.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:38 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Then why do you bring up Android outselling iOS. You logic/statement carries many of the same flaws that mine does. In all reality, the only way to actually compare two OSes is to have the same variables within each. That is not possible with Android vs. iOS so it’s honestly pointless to try and compare sales #’s. I personally love some of the Android hardware and wish they ran iOS since I love iOS. It would all be easier if Apple just gave me the Hardware exactly how I want it, but you know that may never happen.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:43 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
No single Android device or OEM is outselling a single device from Apple. That’s why people bring it up.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:44 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Droid 1 outsold iPhone at launch. Kindle Fire is already outselling the iPad through pre-orders and it’s not even out yet.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:18 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
And the droid 2 outsold the the Iphone 3g…..
Woops, that didn’t happen.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:35 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The Droid 2 outsold the iPhone on Verizon since you are comparing a phone that only appeared on 1 carrier lol
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:56 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The iPhone 3G was also only on one carrier… (Oh and btw, you fail)
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 12:41 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
No it isn’t.. per hour in the first day of pre-orders perhaps, but no way that is still the case. Dream on.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:32 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
If you are only counting iPad sales in the US then the Kindle is outselling the iPad.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paidcontent/2011/10/05/analyzing-kindle-fire-sales-estimates/
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, because America is the only country in the world! Woohoo!
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 8:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Kindle is only being sold in the US. Its the only fair way to compare.
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 10:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You see, when the Kindle literally has sold more units in the US than the iPad has in its entire existence, then that will matter. Until then, it’s only an interesting statistic that is of no bearing in any comparison point that’s actually relevant.
Posted on Oct 22, 2011 | 3:05 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
This is complete and utter fiction.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:30 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It must be hard enough to convince yourself of an alternate reality. Don’t strain yourself by trying to convince us as well.
Posted on Oct 17, 2011 | 1:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
*Droid 1 did outsell iPhone at launch. Google yourself if you don’t believe it. *http://phandroid.com/2010/03/16/droid-outsells-iphone/
Posted on Oct 17, 2011 | 1:52 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve never understood why it matters. As long as the OS you use has enough marketshare to produce quality apps, who cares? Unless you work for Apple/Google/MSFT or own shares in the companies, it really doesn’t matter. Did I enjoy Android any less when I purchased a Droid in 2009 because it had a limited marketshare? Did I enjoy my first iPhone any less in 2007 because “feature phones” had a bigger marketshare? As long as the phone suits my needs with its OS and apps, I couldn’t care less about marketshare.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:36 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
More than that, the reason that the iPhone is such a big deal is that people use it more. Yes, Android phones shipped more units than iPhones, and that’s cool (I like FOSS). But to an app developer it’s much more important that iOS apps outsell Android apps by a wide margin, and to a web site developer it’s much more important that iOS browser usage exceeds Android browser usage by a wide margin. So you prioritize shipping the iOS app, and making sure the site looks good on iOS, over Android.
I can’t say why the usage patterns are so different between iOS and Android, but it’s very real.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:50 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s not really true. iOS market share outpaces Android mostly because it includes iPads, which sell a lot more than Android tablets. But with only smartphones counted it looks differently.
App makers on both sides make good money if their Apps are decent. There are enough examples that dispell the “Android Apps don’t sell”-myth.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:42 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t really see that it does, but David seems obsessed with it to the point I making things up.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 7:29 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Fair enough. My argument was mainly directed at the legions of people that constantly bring up the “Android outsells iOS so there!/Yeah, but Android is only popular because of BOGO and crap phones!” arguments. I guess I just get so sick of reading it.
Both devices are popular, let’s be happy we have a choice. Some people genuinely like Android, sure, it used to have a lot of lag but my Nexus S has all but done away with that. I think the new iPhone 4S looks really nice, but I personally like Android better. Does that mean Android is better for everyone? Absolutely not. I’ve got a friend trying to decide between an iPhone 4S and the new Galaxy. I didn’t try to convince him to buy the Galaxy, I asked him what he liked about iOS and what he wishes it had. Turns out, he really likes iOS so I told him to get the iPhone.
I may have an Android avatar, but I’ve recommended the iPhone to more people than I can count because it suits their needs.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Hear hear! Same here, I have an iPhone 4 as my primary right now but I just recommended a GS2 to a friend trying to decide between the two and he loves it.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah my friend, he’s a pretty big guy, was really wanting a bigger screen. But when we started going down the list of other features he wanted/needed, it became clear that he would be much happier with the iPhone 4S, even with a smaller screen. So that’s what I recommended to him.
It’s nice that some of us on here can actually prefer one device, but still realize that another device can suit the needs of other people better than the one we prefer. We need more people like you on here.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:19 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
…and you, sir :) I love cool technology/gadgets no matter who makes them.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:55 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Why does everyone make this argument but fail to point out that every Android OEMs also makes phones for other OSes… MULTIPLE OEMS is not the reason why a platform wins it happens because a platform is popular. WP7 has a lot of LARGE OEMS and they have 5% marketshare.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:38 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Your argument might have merit if there was a shortage of iPhones forcing people to choose one of the many Android phones. However, there isn’t. You can get either. If the products are supplied by one company with three models or by 50 companies with 500 models doesn’t matter in this case.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:39 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Huh?? A lot of people buy for hardware reasons as well. Personally if the Galaxy SII came with iOS I would be all over it. I bet if all the same hardware that runs Android had an iOS counterpart, iOS would outsell Android. This is pure speculation, but it seems very plausible. My point is if some people love HTC like I do, they buy that offering not truly caring what OS runs on it. Also, it would eliminate the concerns over eco system that a lot of people have since you can jump device to device and keep all your apps.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:54 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Huh?? A lot of people buy for hardware reasons as well. Personally if the Galaxy SII came with iOS I would be all over it. I bet if all the same hardware that runs Android had an iOS counterpart, iOS would outsell Android. This is pure speculation, but it seems very plausible. My point is if some people love HTC like I do, they buy that offering not truly caring what OS runs on it. Also, it would eliminate the concerns over eco system that a lot of people have since you can jump device to device and keep all your apps.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:54 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Throw enough shit at the wall and some of it is certain to stick. Carpet-bombing the market with BOGO/$0 offers for Android phones has done
wondersfor sales numbers.Oh, and as for Motorola; would that reason be because Motorola was on the verge of commencing with litigation with other Android handset manufacturers over patents? Yep, pretty sure that’s why Google dumped two years worth of revenue into the acquisition of a near-dead company…so their platform wouldn’t turn into even more of a shit-storm.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:39 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So the 3GS outsells the iPhone 4 because it’s free? Or does your argument only apply to Android? Consumers that are dumping an extra $30 a month on data aren’t too worried about saving $200 every two years by purchasing a free smartphone. But excellent analysis of the acquisition of Moto, you should write case studies for the Harvard Business Review. Any actual references of Motorola being “on the verge of commencing with litigation” against other manufacturers? Or was it all based on “facts” that we are supposed to just accept because you wrote them? I’m getting sick of some of the comments on this site.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:44 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Here you go, dipshit;
http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/08/11/motorolas-sanjay-jha-openly-admits-they-plan-to-collect-ip-royalties-from-other-android-makers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UnwiredView+%28Unwired+View%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
Believe me, I’m getting sick of some of the inane comments on this site as well. Especially when I’m responding to them…
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:31 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I love you. Keep commenting.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:56 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re friendly.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:40 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, you’re right…Asking for royalties is the same thing as Motorola being on the “verge of commencing with litigation with other Android handset manufacturers over patents.” Secondly, how reliable is a site that barely ranks on Alexa? Or do you just believe everything you read on the internet?
Again, your level of wit and the brilliance of your arguments continues to astound me. But you’re right, I’m the “dipshit.”
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:44 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t know the US situation, but even a 3gs has a pricey data plan compared to android. Add to that the low initial cost of android devices, and the fact it looks like a modern smartphone and theres a lot more android phones than iPhones, and you’ve got the reasons right there. I have a Desire, and not because I don’t want an iPhone.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:35 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
In the US, iPhone data plans don’t cost any more than any random Android device (on the same carrier) data plans. Apple ’s head would probably explode if that were the case.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:56 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
My point was that the 3GS doesn’t currently outsell the iPhone 4 simply because it’s free. Sure, there are some people on carriers like MetroPCS and the like that are cost conscious, that will go for a free phone versus paying $200 for one. But when people, like myself, are paying $140 a month for service (for me and my wife), an extra $8 a month ($200 over 24 months) isn’t much when you get a vastly superior phone.
The original Galaxy sold extremely well even when priced the same as the iPhone 4. I guess I wonder why handset manufacturers would bother making high-end Android phones when it’s “only the BOGO handsets are the ones that sell.” Not sure why it’s such a blow to some people’s ego when people choose Android over iOS. I’ve recommended both to friends and family based on their needs, it doesn’t hurt my feelings that they get an iPhone.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Samsung has sold 10 million SGS2 in the world alone, before coming the United States. The SGS2 is not a Bogo/phone. I’m not directly replying you, because you either a troll or stupid. I’m replying so people who don’t no better wont spread your fud.
But you can reply back and quote how much the iphone sells, but it doesn’t matter. WP7 doesn’t have the marketshare of Android or iOS but there are people that still enjoy their WP7 phones.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:30 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“I’m sure Android is outselling iOS because Apple is making better phones than other OEMs.”
Why does every Apple post have to devolve into this insanity.
This is a review of the iPhone 4s. We can talk about the iPhone, iOS5, the camera, about whether we’ll get it, and, yes, about whether it’s better than the Android-phone-of-the-month.
But can we leave off these wacky “the iPhone is better because it is / is not selling better than Android / a particular Android phone / every other device in the universe” spin outs please?
“My washing machine is cooler than your washing machine because Sears sold 10,000 more units of jeans last month than Walmart sold chocolate covered peanuts.” Wha—-at!?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:57 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah I’ve always wondered why some people get so worked up about some things, but not about others. When I bought my first MacBook Pro, people asked if I was now an Apple guy. I would reply that I’m a tech guy, and I buy the best option in my budget that suits my needs. I suggest that everyone else do the same.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:57 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Android is not outselling iOS and never has. Get your facts right.
What you probably meant to say is that all phones that use the Google Android open source project collectively outsell all phones that run iOS. That is true, but what is the relevance of that? All phones that use the Apple WebKit open source project collectively outsell all phones that use the Android open source project. So what?
HTC and Samsung are not outgrowing Apple. Get your facts right.
What you probably meant to say is that by selling low-end smartphones into the feature phone market, HTC and Samsung are experiencing larger smartphone growth than Apple, but they are not experiencing larger phone growth, they are just moving feature phone sales into the smartphone category.
So the 2 statistics you chose were both really convoluted for some reason. Why not speak in straightforward metrics? You measure product success in unit sales, product maker success in profitability, product user success in customer satisfaction. Very basic stuff. No need to obfuscate if you are being honest.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Except Android has been outselling iOS for about a year now…
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/080111-canalys.html
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re missing his main point, smartphones are only one class of device. Your link only refers to smartphones.
Android is definitely outselling iOS in smartphones, but in the total device market, it’s much closer. If we take the quarter ending in June, then Apple sold around 33million units ( assuming about half of iPods were touches ). That’s not including ATVs.
We don’t know exactly how many units Google activated in the same period – however they boasted 500k per day at the end of June, and since we know it was rising we can be sure it was less than 45million. If we extrapolate back the 4.4% weekly growth reported in June over the entire period then it was only around 32million units.
So it’s not actually clear that Android outsold iOS at the device level last quarter, though it’s likely.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Ah yes, it’s Alternate Reality Man™!
Posted on Oct 17, 2011 | 1:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
One correction – HTC isn’t just converting feature phone sales to smartphones – HTC is a pure smartphone maker like Apple or RIM.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:39 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
it’s a great phone, no one is denying that. one thing i will deny though is some of the more subjective stuff in the review. such as
“Competing phone-makers have had more than a year…to
best this design, and yet no one really has. As frustrating as it is to
say this, no other phone on the market comes close to this level of
craftsmanship, materials, or considered design.
The iPhone 4S may not be the most resilient phone in the world (I’ve
broken two original iPhone 4s in accidental drops), but it probably is
the most beautiful.
i think there are plenty of people that don’t think it’s that beautiful. particularly something that has a cracked glass back, or a diminutive 3.5" screen. Consider me in the camp of people that will never consider a phone, regardless of OS or OEM with a screen that small.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:26 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve drop my iPhone 4 pretty much once a week or two, especially onto the street getting out of my car, or taking pictures, across different 5 countries, hell, even down the Arch De Triomphe (15 steps down the stairwell, thankfully not down the middle of the stairwell or over the Arch), and no cracked screen, no cracked back. Hardly a scratch on it unless you really really look at it. Not bad at allfor such a beautiful design.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
pics or it didn’t happen =op
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:00 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well. I still see broken iPhones every damn day.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:58 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL! So do I.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:01 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Arc de Triomphe, not Arch
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:26 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I call… BULL$#IT!!!
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:05 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, but that’s because you’re a dumbass. Provide PROOF that’s it’s bullshit and then you’ll have a leg to stand on.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I really don’t understand the bigger screen argument. I want a phone, not a tiny laptop. Point being: screen size is down to preference, bigger isn’t better for everyone.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:29 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
They could reduce the bezel though, I believe that’s what many hope for..
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 10:46 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
There isn’t enough spare bezel on the sides to make a difference, so reducing the top and bottom bezel would only allow for a longer screen, not a proportionately larger screen. If Apple didn’t care about breaking the current aspect ratio, they could’ve just gone qHD instead of straight pixel doubling.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
In most apps, the middle of the screen contain something scrollable, in that case it shouldn’t be that hard to make it a “longer” ratio, without rezriting too much. IMO..
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:44 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m sure that Apple would see that as a UX kludge. I certainly would. Breaking the 1.5:1 aspect ratio just because some apps have scrollable content would involve what I would consider unacceptable tradeoffs.
In order to lengthen the home screen without looking horrible, it would need to be extended to display another full row of icons; otherwise you get something that looks like WinMo 6.5, where the bottom icons are cut off. To avoid the truncated icon effect, you’d have to either bump the aspect ratio to 1.75:1 or shrink the icons (which would violate Apple’s own published HIG standards). It might be a benefit for watching videos, but a liability virtually everywhere else (look at Honeycomb tablets in portrait mode).
Increasing the overall screen size is something I personally wouldn’t want, but I understand the more-is-better mentality that’s driving people to demand it. That said, reducing the top and bottom bezel would be a highly inelegant way to do it.
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 10:35 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I guess I’m just vulgar for wanting screen estate in stead of bezels, but for reference, 5 rows of icons would fit. As for Apple’s HIG, they have trampled them all through the development of OSX, so I don’t think they are a golden standard at following those.
In the case 1.5:1 was truly the ultimate ratio, and the screen width the only acceptable one, they could at least shave it a bit in the length IMO.
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 12:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
While i see what your saying that 5 rows of icons will fit. I think the above post was trying to say that Changing the aspect ratio would only benefit displayed content in a list form. Think of all the apps that would have to have black bars on the sides to accommodate that aspect ratio change. Apple is in a hard spot with the growing demand for increased screen size, and creating a road block at a certain App version for screen size, not something i would ever expect Apple to do.
For Me, additional screen real estate in the same device size would be excellent. I dont want a larger device. But….. how would apple make that happen technically without essentially starting the iPhone and SDK over again? If it were to happen, i think iOS 5 would have had to start paving the way forward.
Posted on Oct 15, 2011 | 10:33 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Exactly on the bezel increase, the phones don’t have to be large to get more real-estate on the screen. But let’s not kid ourselves these aren’t “phones” anymore they are mini-laptops based on funcitonality. I’m sure they will increase the size on the next iteration of the iPhone and you won’t hear complaints about how it’s perfectly fine at 3.5" you will hear cheers as if it’s the “insert adjective here” thing to do.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:53 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I have a 3GS and can see just fine. But my big thumbs make typing on it annoying. A 4" screen would fit with smaller bezel and I would gladly sacrifice a little pixel density for easier typing.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah I think that if Apple kept the same resolution at 4", it would still look amazing. The only problem is that Apple as made such a big deal about pixel density so it would be tough to lower it now. But now that higher res screens are becoming cheaper to produce, they will probably be able to produce an iPhone 5 with the same pixel density.
I actually think that Apple didn’t do some of these things to keep costs down. Sure, they could’ve gone to a bigger screen with the same pixel density, but they would’ve had to cut costs somewhere else. I also think that Apple left out LTE because of the battery life, which I applaud. Apple’s apparent refusal to put LTE in phones due to battery life is a good thing for all of us, it will force companies like Qualcomm to reduce battery drain for LTE very quickly so they can sell to Apple.
Another thing I appreciate that Apple did with the iPhone 4S is having a single phone work across all carriers. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like they will manufacture a single phone that will connect to all of the carriers (except T-Mobile). I would like to get rid of the idea that a phone is tied to a single provider. Just like laptops, we buy the device independent from the data companies. Apple has done more than any other manufacturer to break the chains of the carriers, and I applaud them for that.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:07 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Europe’s done it for a while. If the FCC or whatever other body was in charge at the time forced carriers to use interchangeable technology for networks, this mess would have been far less important.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well sure, but the Republicans would’ve thrown a fit if the FCC tried to actually regulate the industry they’re supposed to regulate.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 7:49 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You hit the nail on the head: “screen size is down to preference, bigger isn’t better for everyone.” I personally like the 4-inch screen of my Nexus S, but I’ve used various iPhones and I imagine that some people like that size. To each his own.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:00 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
wow, screen size is the ONLY factor in your buying decision, and the iPhone’s screen is unbearably small? you must have terrible eyesight! :-)
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The Veer far had the worst smartphone display all time. You need to be under the age of twelve and have 20/15 or better vision to physically use the thing.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:55 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I really don’t understand this fixation with huge screens. We are talking about a device that you carry in your pocket, not something you carry in a bag. 3.5" is a nice compromise between screen-size, usability and mobility. Those 4+ inch screens are, in my opinion, too big. They don’t really offer any benefits over 3.5" screen. The UI or apps is not customised for the larger screen, so you just get the same UI/apps, just blown up. using such device with one hand it awkward, they don’t really fit pockets all that comfortably (iPhone fits the “coin-pocket” in normal jeans), so what’s the point, really?.
So, where is the upper limit for screen-sizes? If bigger is better, then 5" phone would be even better? How about 7"?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:34 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I find it troubling, and almost sad that you @lairdp:disqus , @facebook-1647918364:disqus all buy into this “anything larger than 3.5 is a hummer” argument, the same utter nonsense that was spewed out some years ago. I’m not saying i want to have a dell streak in my pocket, or a galaxy 10.1. Just something that’s bigger than apple’s beloved 3.5" size. It’s really amazing that so many people seem sold on the apple way of doing things, that they can’t believe that someone would want something different than what they offer.
Since circa 2004 i’ve had a smartphone with a full qwerty keyboard, and have used it extensively for writing long emails, taking notes in Word for classes, and sometimes long quotes for work. Making the shift from a phone with a full qwerty to an iphone wasn’t easy. Never liked typing on it, especially for someone that has larger hands and fingers. The Droid Incredible was only slightly bigger, and still felt too small; my old Captivate was much better, but the Evo 4G seemed like the sweet spot for me in terms of having a larger keyboard, and also being able to hold a phone that didn’t feel like i was holding some micro phone out of zoolander. And on top of all of this, watching tv shows and movies on a 4-4.3" was by far a better experience than on the iphones 3.5". I have the samsung focus now, which has a GREAT software keyboard, much better than any of my previous android handsets, but I still make mistakes sometimes. Since i don’t have the option of something like the HTC arrive on att, i’m be making the move to the focus s which has a 4.3" screen size which will suit me well. But in a depth is still as slim as the iphone4 (which is what really matters when speaking of pocketability).
I’m not saying in absolute terms that bigger is better. You really start to get into areas where you do suffer when you get a screen size that’s too large, i.e. single hand usability and pocketability. But just like many of you have said, you like the iphone’s SMALL screen, some people prefer LARGER screens. But is it really such a bad thing that some would dare to prefer something different than what you (and the sometimes borg-like apple collective) have/use? Think different guys…
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 8:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well said my friend! It is sad indeed when tech junkies from opposing camps scream FAIL at eachother over completely subjective features such as display size. I prefer 4+ inch displays due to my big fingers and wanting to have a comfy multi media experience. The 3.5 inch displays just hurt my eyes. So this matter is certainly on personal preference. And I also prefer a phone that will not shatter if I accidentally drop it. My Droid X2 was built to take massive beatings indeed.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 8:57 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
thanks! i’ve just never understood people that are so entrenched on side A, that they can’t see the value(s) of side B. Or people that are so loyal to side B, that they can’t admit that it has faults when compared to side A or C.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:35 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, aren’t you guilty of that as well? You don’t see the value of 3.5" screen, and think that it needs to be bigger. You can’t see that your side has faults when compared to the “other side”. So what exactly is the difference here?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:50 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I think he’s saying that for him, 3.5" is too small. I have the same problem due to “Portuguese sausage finger syndrome.” Not really a real syndrome, but I make a lot of mistakes on a phone with a smaller screen.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t think so, and here’s why: I’m stating my personal preference, a select few are doing the same. Others are saying anyone who would desire or has a phone larger than 3.5" should be questioned for wanting something ‘so big’ as if owning something in that size range makes someone unusual
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:04 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree on the screen size. It’s interesting that anything over a 3.5" is called “massive” in most apple centered reviews/articles. I would counter with anything at 3.5" would be considered minuscule and those ranging 3.7-4.3 conventional. I’ve had an iPhone 3GS for 2+ years and it’s simply too small of a screen for me (browsing, typing, reading are more difficult) and I’ve heard the same from many iPhone holding colleagues. I was hoping for a larger screen from the Apple team but I was definitely disappointed. I don’t think I can go another 2 years with the small screen size.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 10:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree on the screen size. It’s interesting that anything over a 3.5" is called “massive” in most apple centered reviews/articles. I would counter with anything at 3.5" would be considered minuscule and those ranging 3.7-4.3 conventional. I’ve had an iPhone 3GS for 2+ years and it’s simply too small of a screen for me (browsing, typing, reading are more difficult) and I’ve heard the same from many iPhone holding colleagues. I was hoping for a larger screen from the Apple team but I was definitely disappointed. I don’t think I can go another 2 years with the small screen size.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 10:08 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Do you not realize that changing screen size screws with your app makers. Look how fragmented the Andriod store is. Half their devices can’t get half the apps because of compatibility reasons.
Scaling apps designed for 3.5" and all of a sudden throwing them on a 4.3" screen isn’t going to make them look better, they actually look worse because they aren’t designed with such a big screen in mind…..kinda how almost all apps in the Appstore have a similar app specifically for the iPad.
I understand wanting a bigger screen, personally I think a 4" would be a good compromise, but I understand the schematics of doing that while keeping your app makers from getting disjointed as in the Andriod store…..its a fine balance that has to be kept. Good luck geting anything to run decently on the new Nexus Andriod phone, the 4.65" screen is going to blow up all apps, to scale and have them looking horribly. On top of that, the thing is so damn big that unless you still wear JNCOs with pockets the size of a mans thigh, you will not be comfortable popping these huge phones in and out of your pocket…and that is even without a case adding to the bulk.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 10:16 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Agree. Overhead for changing screen size is too much IMO. 3.5" seems like the perfect size for a phone.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:07 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
i do realize that you no very little of what you’re talking about. screen resolution is not the biggest fragmentation point when it comes to android, it simply isn’t. the more important thing is the lack of hardware on some devices: compass, gyro, etc. But more importantly the different chipsets and GPUs that are used on the majority of applications, this is what makes gave development on android more difficult than any other platform.
There’s a big difference between going from a 960×640 resolution on a 3.5" screen to a 4" screen vs going from 352×288 to 800×480 or 854×480 or 960×540. The latter two are very close, but all others have different ASPECT RATIOS. That’s what’s more important, not changing pixel pitch or putting less per square inch (ppi). The one reason apple would probably never go to anything like 4" is because then they wouldn’t have their championed retina display anymore, without changing the resolution again.
You do know for example, that wp7 for example, which has a supported resolution of 800×480 has phones that run just peachy that are anywhere from ~3.7" up to 4.7". In all those different sizes, the aspect ratio never changes, so development is exactly the same. The only thing that is different is ppi, which some people complaining that things on the Titan (4.7") look cartoonish or pixelated.
So yes, i do realize what i’m saying.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:05 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, if my comment that 4+ inches is getting too big is “sad”, then your comment that 3.5" is “diminutive” is equally sad. But, for what it’s worth, I don’t think there’s anything sad in your comment. I welcome your opinion, and you are perfectly entitled to them. And I CAN understand that some people want a bigger screen.
And no, I’m not going to say that your experiences and opinions are somehow “wrong”, since they are not. You know what’s best for you, and if 4+ inches is the sweet spot for you, great! I’m glad that you have found what appeals to you. That said, I don’t really see Apple catering to that market. I could see them increase the screen-size to 3.7", with edge-to-edge display in the future (the outer dimensions of the phone would stay the same), but I don’t really see them going to 4+ inches territory. That size would make the device unappealing to women for example, and Apple wants to cater to biggest possible audience. Alienating 50% of consumers doesn’t help them achieve that.
If they start to have several devices with different screen-sizes, they would have issues with fragmentation. Apps would have to be customized for each size.
Of course this means that Apple can’t please everyone, Which is why it’s a good thing that we have Android (and WinMo). And I don’t think that Apple has any problems with not being the perfect solution for everyone. It’s impossible to please everyone. Even if they did offer several devices, with different screen-sizes. If they had devices with 3.5", 4" and 4,5" screens, some people would still be unhappy.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:45 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I never said that having a diminutive screen size was sad, or even implied it, i just stated that it’s not for me, and gave my reasons why (since so many of the people that have replied to me likened a 4.0-4.3" screen size as carrying a laptop in your pocket, or other equally ridiculous comparisons). The one thing i clearly stated was that the apple collective has bought the mantra hook, line, and sinker…that literally anything larger than 3.5 is too big/a hummer. If you have people that are unable to think clearly for themselves, that is what is actually sad.
I understand that apple, when designing the iphone figured that 3.5" would be their sweet spot for people old and young, male and female. Which i MORE than understand, they’re basically trying to hit a size that is comfortable for ~2 std dev (if not more) of the population. But it seems that with so many of the apple collective members, if i differ in opinion about what I like, then i’m somehow the crazy person. Which is fine, but at the same point, I think it’s sad that the “think different” company has turned some people into a bunch of bots who are unable to understand differing opinions or admit that there are people that think differently than what they’ve been told. =/
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“diminutive screen size” implies it.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:58 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So if I said small screen size or any other synonym, that wouldn’t?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:56 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I have seen plenty of women with hands smaller than mine with Droid X’s Evo’s and 4+ inch phones. Just because the world’s most popular phone is only 3.5 inches doesn’t mean that people won’t buy something bigger. Its really like saying they should make all cars,laptops,tv,etc one size.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I know this was written 4 days ago but I just want to point out that the series of Cars, Laptops and TV’s all have similar sizes in a serious of ways
cars: most driver seats (cockpits) are built to fit 2 standard deviations of the average person in it’s market (a lot of that is now world average)
laptop’s: keyboards are now all built within a industry standard size, if they are not – it is generally frowned upon
tv’s have a perceived sized similarity, a 20" tv is built to be viewed from a certain distance, as is a 50" TV, that ideal viewing distance creates an image of the roughly the same perceived size.
I just felt like adding this in. It isn’t entirely relevant but it just shows that even though there are options out there, they are all created to cater to the same market. trickiness
BTW there are of course exceptions to this rule but outliers do not make for a good argument
Posted on Oct 17, 2011 | 6:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The bottom line is that when the iPhone 5 comes out with a 3.7" display, Apple users will praise it as a key factor in their buying decision and warrant is superior to a 3.5" display for all purposes.
All Apple iPhone users think that the iPhone’s 3.5" display is perfect now just because it is the only option available to them right now.
I test any iPhone 4S user to come back in a year and tell me the iPhone 5’s bigger display isn’t better. http://www.technologyblogged.com/apple/iphone-5-features
Posted on Oct 14, 2011 | 10:35 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ll tell you why a bigger screen is better: On-Screen Keyboard.
Once you’ve used a larger OSK, you don’t want to go back. My iPod Touch feels cramped as hell now. And how cramped are your pockets? I wear 36×30 pants and I can fit both the Touch and my phone in my RF pocket side-by-side if need-be, or stacked because they are both pretty thin. A 4" screen is measured diagonally, so at .5" larger that’s only .25" on the x and y.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:00 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“at .5” larger that’s only .25" on the x and y"
Trigonometry would beg to differ.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Trig says .35" which is still fine if the device is thin enough. I barely feel my HD2 in my pocket since it’s 11mm thin. The heft lends it a feel of quality too.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The Iphone 4 is in the upper range of what can fit in my pockets. if the phone were to get any bigger, i wouldn’t be able to comfortably fit it in my pockets
Posted on Oct 19, 2011 | 8:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Why do people act like screen size and the overall size of the device are the same thing? All Apple had to do to put a 4" screen in the device was reduce the unsightly bezel.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Smaller is better in mobile. Always has been. iPhone is larger than most phones. If they could make it smaller, it would sell even more. Look at iPod classic selling n and iPod mini selling 10n and iPod nano selling 100n.
The iPhone screen has more pixels than competing phones, higher-resolution than competing phones, runs the only mobile OS with color management (look it up,) is being driven by the biggest GPU ever put in a phone, and the majority of apps are high-res, unlike other phones. You do not see more information on another phone. You can use it one-handed. It fits in pockets. It fits in all hands, not just in the meaty claw of a giant Yank.
The glass back is designed to shatter when dropped. That absorbs the impact, and keeps the front glass and digitizer from shattering. The back glass is an easy fix and costs only $25, which is less than many phone cases. A phone with shattered back glass still has 100% functionality, you can take your time to stop at Apple Store for a fix. If you shatter the front glass and digitizer you get much reduced functionality, and that is a much more serious fix and costs $100, and is an emergency fix, you are not working until you do it.
Once you have a touch PC like iPad, you will want a smaller phone in your pocket, because your PC will be in any book bag, accessible within seconds because of instant on, with a full-size 10-inch PC view. You end up using your phone more like a traditional phone again, and iPhone looks large. You want it to disappear in your pocket more than you want it to have an extra 10% of screen area that does not even have more pixels.
Another thing to consider is iPod touch is a second screen for only $199. I have a friend who always has an iPhone in one pocket and iPod touch in the other, and he often has them in front of him side-by-side like 2 pages of a book, which is a 5 inch, 326 dpi screen. If you are on-the-go all the time and do not carry a bag, you can still get a giant iOS screen and still use regular pockets.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Smaller is always better in mobile? i cannot believe you had the gall to say that. How well did the HP/Palm veer do? not just in sales, but in actual reviews concerning the form factor. Look up the podcast where Topolsky talks about how dumb of an idea it was to come out with a veer, and that nobody wants or needs a phone that is made for the hands of a small child. People don’t want phones that are that small and touch screen, because if you make the phones smaller, peoples fingers (you know, the actual input devices) aren’t getting any smaller. The reason that smaller phones like many of nokias sell well, is because of their ease of use and their cheapness. They have physical keys, and D pads which make navigation very easy. Physically, if you made the iphone 4mm thick (basically half as thick) that would be fine for most people, it’d be easier to pocket. But if i’m understanding you correctly, you’re saying that you think apple would make a smaller screen size if they could, because smaller is always better?
And i never thought i would ever hear anyone say the shattering glass back on the iphone4 was a selling point. You’re trying to pitch it like it’s some kind of crumple structure in a car; would you like to show me the info where apple said this? I’ve never seen this stated, and from every blog (particularly those that are more apple biased) they have never mentioned that. Usually they just note the aesthetics of it. There are literally dozen of phones on the market, that when dropped don’t have a part of it break which you then have to get repaired.
BTW, I’m not so sure i buy into your anecdotal evidence of having a tablet in a book bag and my phone in my pocket used more as a traditional phone. Why on earth would i want to carry an ipad and phone on me at all times, particularly in a bag, when i can just have a phone. It’s seems like you’re one of the many users that are trying to justify having a tablet when they really don’t need one IMO. If you have a iphone on you, why exactly would you need an ipad even 50% of the time (unless you’re using it specifically for work or school)? And it makes even less sense to me that someone would keep an iphone and ipad nano (ipod touch) in each pocket, and whip them both out on a desk at the same time as if it was some msft courier. But, to each their own.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:08 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve had an iPhone for a couple of years now, I’m on an iPhone 4 at the moment. At no point have I ever wished the screen was 4 or even 5 inches. I’ve used friend’s Android phones and don’t understand why they’d want something big, that’s what a tablet is for.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:57 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Personally, i do a lot of web browsing on my phone and the 4.3" screen makes a huge diference. With the iPhone screen, i have to hold it closer and the keyboard is ridiculously more error prone because of its size. I think 4" is my Goldilocks size for screens. The 3.9" screen on the Nokia N9 is amazing and the N9 remains an overall compact package.
I also find the size of the iPad awkward. 9.7" is a little large and heavy for using as a reading device. I think the Galaxy Tab 8.9" or maybe even the 7.7" would be a better fit. If only Honeycomb wasn’t all over the place.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:01 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So basically you want your phone and tablet to be the nearly same size.
Posted on Oct 17, 2011 | 1:27 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah. I am choosing them as to how I need them and can use them.
4" smartphone
8" tablet
12" laptop
Problem?
Posted on Oct 17, 2011 | 2:24 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The glass back and 3.5" screen are indeed the two major concerns holding me back from this phone. I don’t need a monster 4.3"+ phone (I’ve had the HTC HD2 for just under a year) but I think the 4" screen on the Galaxy S or Atrix is perfect in the Goldilocks sense. I don’t need >300 ppi. The density on my current phone is great. qHD 4" is 275 would be more than enough. Hopefully the future generation of WP7 will allow for higher resolutions like qHD and 720p.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:24 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
trust me it’s no secret that Josh is goo goo gaaa for anything Appple, parts of his review are downright creepy .
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:49 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
no trust here, bud.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:07 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Siri love my precious
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:51 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That is just the standard bullshit way of denying Apple products are best-in-class. That is a tough sell today.
Also that is an ad hominem attack, the equivalent of admitting you don’t have a reasonable argument to make.
Tired in every way.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:34 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I dunno, I think he legitimately might like other phones nearly as much as the iPhone.
Besides, it’s not like he gave a shit about being called a fanboy back when he was writing for Engadget.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:12 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
How is it a good review to say a Windows Phone is almost as good as an iPhone? You can’t even say that with a straight face. WP7 does not even have HTML5, and the software is end-of-lifed.
The problem is, The Verge has to review 100 phones per year and all phone makers are 5 years behind Apple. So Apple runs the Olympics and others run the Special Olympics. That means a consumer-unfriendly The Verge, but maybe that is what they want. I guess naive users buying crappy phones and getting shafted by carriers is a small price to pay so that gadget nerds can get their pr0n.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:03 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Because Windows Phone 7.5 really IS good. It’s got all the fundamentals right. And IE9 mobile actually does support HTML5 btw. I’m not trashing iOS. I indeed have an iPad and think it’s wonderful. I just think you should give credit where it’s due. The work Microsoft has put into its new platform is refreshing as opposed to its previous work 3 years ago. The same can’t be said for RIM for example.
Also as nice as iOS is, I really can’t live with a 3.5" screen. 4" is the minimum comfortable size for my fingers.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Everything you just said about wp7 is a lie…
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m not quite sure how you could justify WP7 being end-of-life’d, especially when one considers that new WP7 phones are being released.
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 8:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That looks like an iPhone 4
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:26 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
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Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:31 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
My upgrade is in December. I can’t wait to toss my Droid Incredible in the trash.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:26 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Professional, objective, insightful, and thorough.
Great job on the review.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:31 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I actually read the whole review today. I always read the first few paragraphs then expect to see a video but today there was none… until I reached the end of the reviews. Verge, you sly dawg!
Sim Only Deals
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t like Apple however, I think an 8.6 is a fair score.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:33 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
yawn what was with that harry potter conversation with paul in imessage, Josh?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:34 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Ah so I got the 4S to thank for all those tweet-pics of bugs. Nice review Josh.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:34 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Looks like a real camera.” Nice to see your confirmation that the previous camera was practically a joke!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Trololol
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:24 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
http://vimeo.com/tvapf/thevergeandpastfuturisms
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
With photostream you wouldn’t “lose your content” because the content would still be on the device that took the picture. Still, that is a little confusing.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
http://vimeo.com/tvapf/thevergeandpastfuturisms
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:36 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
ios5 is coming to the iPhone 4. The new camera and Siri are not.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:17 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Good Review Josh, I think it’s very fair. I’d love to see a camera head to head vs the android 8mp once the verge is up. Siri seems cool but it’s only a little bit better than what’s available on Android, between voice search and other apps (I use one called Edwin, main difference is it doesn’t read back wolfram, it shows it as text and it is not quite as natural as far as commands)
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:37 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
gotta say, I love your taste in the intro/outro verge graphics.
(remember the intro to engadget show? that was amazing. now they switched to the most generic intro ever)
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The engadget show intro was changed to match the lackluster quality of the show. Tssss … Ouch, I felt that burn.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Was anyone else hoping for “Steve Jobs” as the answer to the last question??? :(
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:39 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
steve jobs created apple. what is greater? the creator, or the creation that transcends the creator.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:05 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
No, shust no!
Apple wasn’t the creation of Steve Jobs the Lone Star. There are a lot more people behind Apple than Steve, though his contributions are probably the most important.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:23 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:28 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
there have definitely been more than the norm of articles the past few days. but i’m glad :)
great review! in depth, and really helped me make my decision (to not get it, oh well).
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:40 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, Seriously Josh, I dont’ know who did the Video editing, but you guys just beat out the videos in reviews that I see on both Gizmodo/Engaget and all the random ones I see on Youtube anyway. Someone is really good with Final Cut it seems. Kudos on the all encompasing vid, It’ll probably make you guys popular on Youtube I’d imagine if you kept the quality up like this.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
seconded. you guys are the steve jobs video reviews. absolutely fantastic.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:10 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I just wish it would’ve been a little longer. I know that attention spans are at an all time low, but it would’ve been nice to see the video review as complete as the written review.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:48 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I personally would of preferred some background music, as Joshua’s voice seemed a little washed out. However you are right, there’re defiantly setting a new standard.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:36 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m on the Verge of getting thie iPhone 4S.
Yeah, This is My Next…Phone!
iPhone 4S on Sprint is a win for me!
Thanks for the review Josh
http://www.zgeek.com/forum/gallery/files/1/0/1/8/4/captain-picard-full-of-win.jpg
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
nice review and great looking video!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Only 0.9 technology units better than the HTC Titan?!
Bollocks, this is at least 1.2 Verge units better!
Just kidding, good stuff.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“iOS 5 is beginning to show its age”?
It’s only going to go public tomorrow!
I guess Ice Cream Sandwich can have things to show off that surpass anything iOS has to offer in its current (or tomorrow’s) state.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
TRON UI ZOMG SO INNOVATIVE!
But seriously, we don’t even know anything about ICS apart from the new UI.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:45 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
TRON UI ZOMG SO INNOVATIVE!
But seriously, we don’t even know anything about ICS apart from the new UI.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:45 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Good review. Read almost every single word of it except the iCloud portion.
Makes one wonder.. when will the next iteration coming.. mid of the year or end of the year?
8.6 to me is a pretty fair score.. and i thought it will score another 9.5 again~ LOL
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The screens apparent lack of contrast is disconcerting. Were you able to put yours beside another 4S to make sure you didn’t have a defective unit?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:44 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I didn’t even bother reading this review. I read the exact same review by Josh last year on Engadget when the iPhone 4 came out. Welcome to 2010, Apple. Er, wait a minute, it’s not….
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:47 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“If this were a car, it would be a Mercedes.” Ouch… Aren’t you guys sponsored by BMW??
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:47 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I think what they are trying to get across about Mercedes is that their…
“Glass and metal design is beautiful, but easy to shatter”
You know just what you want in a car and a phone…
Also this is a more of a shot at TIMN and less of a shot at the 4S
PS double check your "there"s cause sometimes they are supposed to be “they are”s or "they’re"s and check your “way point”s because they are awlays supposed to be "waypoint"s
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:55 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
and you should awlays check your awlays.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:36 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
and obvioisly it would be an Audi.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
and obviously it would be an A5
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:23 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Or an S4.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:01 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s me power shifting an R8. It’s more like that.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:45 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
no it’s not
Posted on Oct 15, 2011 | 10:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Naw, the iPhone 4s works as well as it looks. So more BMW than Audi (which unfortunately drives or works not nearly as good as it looks).
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:03 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
If that were the case, 4S owners would almost invariably be inconsiderate arses. I don’t think that’s true.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:44 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
cocks don’t you mean?
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 2:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
more like Porsche.
Posted on Oct 21, 2011 | 12:56 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Travel to Berlin to understand this statement. Mercedes is used as taxi very frequently but not BMWs.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:15 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
In South Africa,taxis are very often BMW’s
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:55 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
In Taiwan, the Taiwan Highway Patrol drives BMWs…
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 3:09 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
hahahaha… great.. really :D of course, thats exactly what the reviewer wanted to say! metaphor for insiders!! everyone got a iphone nowadays..
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:03 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
hahahaha… great.. really :D of course, thats exactly what the reviewer wanted to say! metaphor for insiders!! everyone got a iphone nowadays..
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:03 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It would be an efficient hybrid vehicle, like a Prius.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:50 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Hybrid cars always take design risks, like the old HTC.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
iPhone is obviously a Tesla. The Silicon Valley phone and Silicon Valley car. They are designed within a few kilometers of each other, and there are hundreds of direct comparisons.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
i dont think tesla’s are built in china
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
8.6?
As if the gradings weren’t arbitrary enough now there are decimal places involved…
Good review though.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:47 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
How do these reviews work? Do you press the publish button at the word Go from Apple? I’m not implying it was biased or anything, I haven’t even read it yet, but I just noticed a lot of reviews popping up all of the sudden.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:48 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Usually there’s an embargo until a certain point. Once that point is reached (Or someone breaks street date, lol) then everywhere will press go.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Usually there’s an embargo until a certain point. Once that point is reached (Or someone breaks street date, lol) then everywhere will press go.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:51 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great review Josh, made my decision for me with the camera…
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:49 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great review Josh, made my decision for me with the camera…
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:49 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
these new review videos are incredible.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:50 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Why do i have the feeling you rated it an 8.6 just to f**k with ppl & make them wonder why not an 8.5 or a 9 lol? Great write up tho!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:52 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Why do i have the feeling you rated it an 8.6 just to f**k with ppl & make them wonder why not an 8.5 or a 9 lol? Great write up tho!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:52 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I just wish Siri had the voice and snarkiness of the Portal/Portal 2 computer voice.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:53 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah I’m actually the most disappointed with Siri’s voice. I wonder how much room for improvement they have on a TTS voice running on an A5.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:36 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
@joshuatopolsky:disqus , doesn’t Dead Space have some iPad / A5-specific enhancements? Is it possible this is why they look so different in that screen?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:53 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Josh, solid review man and that final clip was awesome!! Can’t wait for the verge!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:53 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
look, i just hope the iphone 5 launches in BOTH COLOURS!
feel a bit let down that siri is only available on the 4S :(
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:53 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Of course, I was never able to really get the iPhone 4 to show a big drop in signal…”
You either didn’t do it right or are lying. It just requires a touch on the “gap”. To see the bars drop, you do need to be outside of the strongest coverage area. Also you may need to wait 15 seconds or more because, after the antennagate, Apple tweaked their software to slow down the pace of bar graph update (to make casual users think they ‘fixed’ the problem).
I have tested many units myself and watched numerous online videos. So far I have seen zero evidence contradicting what I wrote.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:53 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Mine doesn’t do it.
But don’t take my word for it, I could be lying.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:56 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Upload a video and I will remove my post and apology to everyone. Just make sure you start with a 4 bar situation to meet the first condition I mentioned.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:16 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL, no. That requires effort, and I don’t really care.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:47 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
yeah i thought so. Anyone else out there wants to prove me wrong? Surely uploading a short video clip shouldn’t be that hard.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:55 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Someone is WRONG on the internet!”
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:59 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Sure. All it takes is ONE video from millions fanboys out there to prove me wrong. Ever wonder why it hasn’t showed up for over a year? Because I’m right.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:28 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Do a barrel roll.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:58 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
oh yeah? You call Consumer Reports a random internet guy? And why did Apple give out bumper cases briefly? You are illogical and clueless. Good luck.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:20 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I call you a random Internet guy, whom I don’t feel the need to justify my smartphone purchases to.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:48 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Someone is WRONG on the internet!”
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:59 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You sortof answered your own accusation. Maybe Josh uses his iPhone in very strong coverage areas.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Maybe. But I also suspect many just turned a blind eye on the problem because it’s Apple. Consumer Reports didn’t.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:48 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
ahem
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/07/consumer-reports-iphone-4-best-smartphone-despite-antenna-issues/
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:45 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“I have tested many units myself and watched numerous online videos. So far I have seen zero evidence contradicting what I wrote.”
That’s… that’s one of the strangest hobbies I’ve ever heard of. So, do you focus on iPhone 4’s exclusively, or test other models and brands of cellphones as well? How about cordless phones? Do you track down rare models of phones so you can test them too? Keep track of your findings like birdwatchers do?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:26 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Nah..i just found this whole sega pretty interesting and disgusting. Lost any respect I had left for Jobs. At minimum, they should have disclosed this “design decision” (as RIM CEO called it) and included a free case to complete the phone.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:43 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, explaining what causes the issue and giving out free cases would have done the trick.
Oh wait, that’s what they did.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:05 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Uh I thought you said there’s no issue? And why did they give a bumer case for short time if they was no HW issue? You are embrassing yourself. For your sake I hope that’s not your real name.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:26 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It wasn’t an issue for me, and I got a free case out of it. Win-win!
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:39 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
LOL you just changed the screen name!
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 8:36 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes. Yes I did.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 8:40 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Because idiots like you refused to look up the facts, the endless days of testing, the results both Apple and Anandtech got which very clearly showed there was no problem with the antenna, and still complained to Apple that the antenna was “broken”. That’s why. Dumbass.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I absolutely love the new style of the videos. The end reminds me of the end from the original droid commercial a little bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9fXYQjwR0w
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I absolutely love the new style of the videos. The end reminds me of the end from the original droid commercial a little bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9fXYQjwR0w
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The new email badge in your first screenshot stresses me out.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
No Apple review is complete with a shot of Penny.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:54 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So siri won’t be available for the iPad?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 9:57 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Great review, so siri has better speech recognition than google’s?
would be cool if you could show us a video of that. (speak out a long sms and see which one is more correct)
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:01 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The speech recognition itself may actually be similar between the two. Where Siri has the upper hand is more advanced processing of speech and what it is able to do with that speech. For example, you could tell it “I want some delicious spicy food to eat” and it will know to tell give you a list of restaurants nearby that serve spicy food, that reviews say are “delicious” (well at least the pre-iOS 5 app did this).
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
apple didnt make siri they bought her
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:04 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Google didn’t make Android they bought him!
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 8:51 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That Verge video at the end is pretty slick. A sign of things to come I hope!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:05 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Ooooooooooo Wee….. Very impressive (but simple) videography! The audio logo is virtual insanity too! Really nice review J. I’d like to upgrade to the white 4s, but I’m reluctant because I don’t want to miss the 5 when it comes out. I always say that I’ll be able to afford the non contract price the next year, but time has shown me that I’m never really in the best position to drop 6+ on a phone upgrade. I upgrade now and I’ll more than likely miss the 5 and all of it’s redesigned glory. Something dawned on me today while playing Asphalt 6 on the iphone4… The iphone doesn’t NEED a larger screen. My wife has the Samsung Captivate and although the screen is larger, playing games, looking at movies or fumbling with the Android UI isn’t better off because of the larger screen. Perhaps apple can bump the screen to a mere 3.7 inches as I’ve heard it suggested, but quite honestly, that’s about as big as they need to make it. I realize that the iphone really isn’t about spec’n me out as a user. Its about something else…..
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:05 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Can you uninstall Siri :D
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:09 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“I’m afraid I can’t let you do that, Dave”.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Competing phone-makers have had more than a year to best this
design, and yet no one really has. As frustrating as it is to say this, no other phone on the market comes
close to this level of craftsmanship, materials, or considered design.”
I completely disagree. For one, the attractiveness of design is subjective – for my money, half the HTC’s lineup is more attractive, and I’m not even sure how iphone’s blockiness can compete with HTC sensation’s sleek curves.
I also can’t understand how you can say “considered” design and then in the very next sentence point out how many iphones you broke. That is exactly the opposite of considered design since obviously durability was all but considered. On top of that, though I can’t speak from experience, apparently it doesn’t feel as good in the hand as other phones with more gentle curves that “hug” your palm.
I don’t expect a completely objective review but that was laid on a bit too thick even for my tastes.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:10 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I know, I know, it’s so hard to deal with that the iPhone 4S has completely and utterly trounced all of your precious Android phones. There, there. It’s OK. The Nexus Prime will be out soon, and you can go back to cherrypicking specs and whinging about “open” systems. In the mean time, there are plenty of Android fansites where you can go and sing to the choir about how the Verge is basically an Apple shill, and Engadget too, and Slashdot, and Ars, and Anandtech, and… Yeah, some days it really does feel like Apple bought off the whole world, huh?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:15 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
He didn’t say anything about liking Android phones (other than the Sensations’ looks), or anything about cherry picking specs, or “whinging about ‘open’ systems.” Why don’t you actually reply to what he’s saying, rather than changing the argument?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:01 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Text comprehension is not one of your strengths, is it?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:35 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
you should take a look at the nokia n9 beautiful build quality actually it is legitimately iphone quality
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Too bad, you can’t buy it anywhere.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:14 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
well there is the nokia sea ray coming out(will be called the nokia 800) and the nokia 800 will have the same build quality as the n9 pretty much the same device with a different os.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:24 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
So at some time in the future, as yet undetermined, a WP7 phone that is based on the N9, a device that only a few tech journalists around the world have even had previewed, and you’re comparing this vapourware with the iPhone-4S which is on sale here and now?
Erm – ok.
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 1:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
well we will find out in 12 days that is is NOT vaporware at nokia world read my lips also there has been leaked ads for the nokia 800 so this is no vaporware.
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 2:07 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
In 12 days it will be announced, but it will still be vapourware. It’s only real when you can actually buy it. If announcement was enough then the N9 would be real.
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 6:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
TIN FOIL HATS HERE! GET YOUR TIN FOIL HATS HERE!
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:25 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Angles can be better than curves at times. Look at the F-22 Raptor.
Its a matter of perspective. I am not an Apple fanboy, but I can tell you the iPhone 4 is a good design more so as far as build quality is concerned.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:37 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Do you hold an F-22 Raptor in your hand roughly 4 hours a day? No? Then that inappropriate analogy is inappropriate.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:27 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Look at F-117 and then at F-22.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:14 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m not denying it’s a good design, in fact overall I do think it’s an attractive phone. I’m just arguing that pronouncing it the bestest, pretties phone in the whole wide world is a bit much for a supposedly professional review. And the use of word “considered” to describe its design really struck me particularly fanboish because I feel that in comparison to the iPhone 3 design, the iPhone 4 chose form over function. The “antenna-gate” fiasco, whether really a major issue or just inflated by vocal minority, is a perfect example of that, and I guess I just expected the reviewers, including Josh, to actually recognize that, instead of letting themselves get blinded by the marketing hype.
And just to clarify again, that doesn’t mean the iphone sucks, all it means is that when reading reviews I expect the reviewer to call out the problems with a device, no matter how much personally they may prefer it over the competition. Yet I see none of that in this review or many other reviews. I mean I can’t help but return to the whole screen thing – Josh basically says that the blacks aren’t as deep as the previous model and the screen looks washed out yet he actually thinks it makes it better. Really?? I mean, really?!?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:20 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
One thing I will agree with you on (and this is from experience): the iPhone 4 (and by extension the 4S) is a pain in the rear to hold. I don’t know how so many people have brainwashed themselves into thinking otherwise, but it’s really annoying.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:25 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, you shouldn’t be holding a phone in your rear. Remind me not to take your calls anymore.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:26 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
haha
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:24 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
How is it a pain in the rear to hold? I suspect you really are doing it wrong, or you have tiny baby hands, or something. Take a picture of how you hold it and show us.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:12 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Are you kidding? It’s got 90 degree angles at every junction. Wherever one of those touches your hand is an uncomfortable point (the main one is the fleshy part near the thumb where the right bottom part of the phone rests against). I don’t have 90 degree angles on my hand for those corners to rest comfortably against, do you?
PS: I don’t know you, but I would actually wager that I probably have larger hands than you. I’ve got the largest hands of anyone I know (much larger than average), so no, that’s not the problem.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 9:48 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Then I really can’t see what you’re complaining about. I’ve had the iPhone 4 since the day it came out and I have experienced none of the problems you’re talking about.
Posted on Oct 14, 2011 | 1:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
speaking of contradictions. i was reminded of walt mossbergs review of the iphone 4. he literally said in one sentence that he cant recommend the phone for voice calls due to drops, but in the very next sentence said that the iphone was the best “phone” available.
sometimes i wonder if reviewers read tir reviews and try to follow it logically. good job on the review but i wished he could have been more objective and critical especially on the screen and
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:03 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
He wasn’t talking about the looks, he was talking about the design. Learn the difference.
iPhone 4 feels like a solid block of 100% iPhone. It is better put together than other phones. There are hundreds of accepted design metrics where it exceeds all other phones. That is not only a fact, it makes sense logically that something that was made over the course of years by giant, design-obsessed Apple would be better-designed than something pooped out in 3 months by a tiny generic handset maker. Duh.
The $25 back glass shatters to absorb the shock and prevent the $100 front glass and digitizer from shattering. Great design. Has nothing to do with how it looks.
Also, iPhone 4S is designed to fit into thousands of existing iPhone 4 hardware accessories like speakers and clothing and cases and scuba gear. Great design. Again, nothing to do with how it looks.
You can truthfully say you get a larger choice of logos on other phones, but that is it. There are no other metrics where they beat iPhone. The software on other phones is baby software. The hardware is thrown together out of arbitrary parts. Until everyone else stops imitating iPhone and starts innovating, this will always be the case. They are all running Apple’s race from years behind.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:14 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The metal battery cover on my Hd2 absorbs impacts just fine without needing to be replaced. After two years, some of the paint has chipped away but otherwise it’s fine. And if you do drop your iPhone face first, the screen and digitizer eill probably still get screwed.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:06 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The points you raise about the display are valid, but I’m holding out till I see the full anandtech review which should hopefully include a technical analysis of the screen. It may be that the calibration is more accurate, resulting in less attractive visuals for games that were designed to look good on the iPhone-4.
If Apple really have shipped with a display that is worse then that will be very very disappointing.
Posted on Oct 13, 2011 | 1:13 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Siri is lying. The iPhone 4S was made in China (like most smartphone).
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:11 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
siri responded aptly, like a politician—she* said she was designed by apple in california. though it would be really cool if she would have named all of the people on the assembly line.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 12:16 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I was designed by apple in California, but made by a Chinese teenager who was sent to work by his impoverishment rural family to work 100 hours a week in soul destroying conditions.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:43 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s awesome! I was worried they would starve to death or be given a rifle and told: GO WEST YOUNG MAN!".
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 8:57 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Maybe go to China before mouthing off BS. the young adults at Foxconn are the ones who dropped out of college, same as the guy who dropped out of community college in Idaho to become a tradesman. China isn’t some backwards impoverished nation, it is far more organised and powerful than the US.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 10:57 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Maybe go to China before mouthing off BS. the young adults at Foxconn are the ones who dropped out of college, same as the guy who dropped out of community college in Idaho to become a tradesman. China isn’t some backwards impoverished nation, it is far more organised and powerful than the US.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 10:57 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
well, i’m guessing working on a farm is no picnic
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:06 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Oh, you mean just like every phone from Nokia, Samsung, Sony, HTC, Motorola, etc?
Still absolutely hysterical that you idiots believe Apple is the only company in the world that uses Chinese labor. If you look around wherever you’re sitting right now, I bet you will see at least 5 things that were also made in China. I bet your house is full of them.
Don’t be a fucking hypocrite.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:58 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
No, it was duplicated in China. The first one was designed and built in California. Apple’s design studio has CnC machines, they design and build the products there. They use them and test them before they even decide they are ready to be duplicated. There is about 2 years of work in California before they go through 3 months of work in China or Brazil. You can drop either China or Brazil and you still get an iPhone, but not California. And iPhone is culturally the Silicon Valley phone.
Similarly, Jack Kerouac wrote “Big Sur” in Big Sur, California. It is irrelevant that the copy you might own was printed in Maine, or that you might download the eBook from a server in Virginia.
Kudos to the printers and duplicators out there for the important work they do, but they don’t get credit for anything more than the printing and duplicating.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I took a look at a photo taken with a 4S from the Apple site. It was 2.6MB. So, is every photo taken on an iPhone going to be uploaded to iCloud immediately, even if on 3G and not WiFi? I see that as being a problem. May have to pay closer attention to data usage.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:16 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
You can turn off the Photo Stream. That’s what I’m going to do.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 1:18 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Can you set it to upload on Wi-Fi only? My guess is that Apple would give you that option…I doubt they would’ve overlooked something like that.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:03 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
May I ask how people are able to review the iPhone 4S already? Tons of reviews suddenly popped up in the past hour with most reviewers saying they’ve been using it for a week. I thought it doesn’t officially ship until 14th…
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:18 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s not uncommon for manufacturers to give reviewers products early along with an agreement not to publish their review until a certain date and time.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:23 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Especially if they make a good product that will receive positive reviews. That way if someone is unsure about getting an iPhone 4S this week, they see all of the glowing reviews pop up when they Google “iPhone 4S.”
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:05 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“Every time you update that document (unless you’re doing it in Pages on your laptop), it will be synced to the cloud.”
So if I have a Pages document that I create on my iPad that I open it up on my laptop and edit these changes will not sync back over the cloud to the iPad? Why not?!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:19 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
They should, I believe Apple demoed this very thing in the iOS 5 presentation. It might not work in the current, shipping version of desktop Pages, but rest assured that it will work both ways once the desktop iWork is updated (if it isn’t already, I don’t know that).
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 4:48 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Very nice review. Thanks! I’m still thinking about keeping my 3GS and holding out for the legendary iPhone 5 though… Not sure if I like the 4’s design enough to get the 4S.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Wow, patience is your virtue. 3gs is so slow I can’t stand mine anymore
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:50 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Makes me want the iPhone 5 to come out even more. Siri (in non beta), maybe a revamped maps app with turn by turn, bigger screen.. delicious.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:20 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Im not sure how you can think that other phone manufacturers are scratching their heads trying to figure out how to compete with this and then add that its debatable if its the best phone ever made? Are you saying a previous iPhone is better? And not to sound like a fandroid but that “Some intangible spark” you mention sounds awfully like a reality distortion field to me or at least rosy spectacles. I find the material design of the iphone 4(s) to also be at the very top but the functional design is horrendously backwards in todays world. At least 1/3rd of the front is bezel.
In other news, good work on being the first review ive read josh.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:21 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“And not to sound like a fandroid but that “Some intangible spark” you mention sounds awfully like a reality distortion field to me or at least rosy spectacles"
Way to prove his point.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Whose point?
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 7:06 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Josh,
The video in your review is more focused on animations than featuring the product itself. MacWorld’s video review of Siri was far more informational and gave me a much better feel for the service.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:24 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s because the video isn’t the review, the review is right there, written on plain English, the video is more of a “wrapping up”.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 5:45 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
iOS 5 is beginning to show its age
Shouldn’t that be “iOS” rather than “iOS 5” since the improvements you’d like to see are iOS-specific rather than iOS 5-specific?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:30 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, fixed!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:55 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
When are we going to see camera comparisons between this and the epic touch 4g?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:32 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
In particular, the OS still feels stuck in this mode of use where you’re constantly jumping in and out of applications blindly, either to get information, or catch them up to the present.
I’d prefer a second delay rather than having an app constantly updating in the background, chewing up bandwidth, and using up CPU/RAM while “idle”.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:35 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I guess, but this is and has always been my chief problem with both iOS and Android (mainly iOS, though, as Android mitigates it with widgets). Too jump-in-jump-out-ey. WebOS has (from its inception) had them beat in that field and has still never really been matched by either one. Alas, too bad the great concept ideas weren’t backed up by great execution.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:33 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
well, on iOS, you could always use a jailbreak app to keep apps “truly” running in the background…
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 3:01 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
WebOS only had 4 apps. Of course it could combine them into one app. iOS users use 50 apps a day. They can’t all sit in RAM, and thumbnail views would not be quicker than just tapping the icon they are already familiar with.
WebOS cards is just a clone of Mac OS Exposé. Apple didn’t miss the boat, they deliberately left that 2003 feature out of CoreGraphics when they ported OS X to iPhone. They specifically built something new for pocket use.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:28 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Try to not oversimplify and over-exaggerate so much. Your argument is basically meaningless because of it.
WebOS has more than 4 apps. But that’s not really even the point. Neither is how many apps one person opens throughout the day (not really). The main point is how many one has open at once. How many are you interacting with at one time while doing your task at hand? (hint: it’s usually much less than 50) And how does the device help you interact with them all smoothly? I know the iPhone has enough horsepower to handle keeping the windows of 4-5 apps alive at once, but the designers chose a paradigm which doesn’t afford that ability to users. You have to jump out, remember what you wanted to do and jump back in. Then jump out, remember where you were working originally and jump back in again. They give you the recent apps list (“multitasking”) to mitigate it somewhat, but it’s still not up to snuff. If you’re ok with it, that’s great, enjoy, but I’m not and neither is Josh (which is why he pointed it out).
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 2:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s not a problem on wp7
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:17 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
because it uses a conceptually-similar multitasking API as iOS…
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 11:19 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Lower score than the iphone 4 when Josh was with Engadget! To afraid to give it a 8 (to make the ios crowd happy) and knows that it’s not a 9. I myself will be looking for a cheap used iphone 4 once they flood the market in the next 2 weeks. Siri is useless for me, the iphone 4 was already fast enough for ios and the 5mp camera is still good. There are only so many times you can play with Siri before you get tired of it.
If you have a iphone 3gs or do not have a smartphone then the phone receives a 9.
But if you have an iphone 4 or like Android and was thinking of switching the phone receives a 7.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
engadget never scored in tenths of a point, so the 9 could as well have been 8.5 or 8.8
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:36 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Josh reviewed the iPhone 4S. He then died.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
i don’t think that’s really true. He had a good written review and the video adds the visual aspect you need. I do think he’s a little apple baised in general. Does the Verge get paid by apple?
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:40 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
I think I am gonna sit this one out and stick with my jailbroken iPhone4
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Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:41 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Now wait just a minute.. Do any voice commands work w/o internet? If I’m driving and need to make a call, does the basic voice dialing still work, or is it Siri requiring net access or nothing? If all voice control is entirely internet dependent, it’s useless for me.. I’m re-thinking my thoughts on buying the 4S now..
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:42 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
3G.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:08 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
that’s my point, I travel on business and have found plenty of places that have no 3G service… If the basic voice commands for dialing needed for the phone to work as a phone have been replaced by Siri, and require 3G or WiFi, this is a serious issue..
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
The verge does absolutely fantastic Gadget reviews! I love it! Awesome job guys!
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:45 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
“As frustrating as it is to say this, no other phone on the market comes close to this level of craftsmanship, materials, or considered design.”
The N9 would like to have a word with you.
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 10:46 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
i cant agree more and when that nokia windows phone comes out with the n9 build quality oh boy that well be a hell of a phone
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:29 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s the only company I see that comes anywhere near Apple’s level of build quality.
And this is coming from Android lover…
Posted on Oct 11, 2011 | 11:39 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
i’m using nokia for most of my cell-phone-powered life (even now is one in my pocket) and the phones are hit and miss .. don’t get me wrong, i think the N9 looks cool, sturdy and well made, but its not all roses in the nokia valley
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:34 AM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions
Trudat. The N95 was an amazing device. The N96 and N97 on the other hand were massove blunders. Then the N8 while underwhelming due to Symbian, is still a uniquely designed and overall well put together phone. Then the N9 is even more awesome.
Posted on Oct 12, 2011 | 6:38 PM EDT reply Recommend Flag actions