Microsoft's next generation of Office, codenamed Office 15, will receive interface tweaks to make it more touch friendly on Windows 8, including a radial menu system, but won't be rebuilt as full "Metro style" apps using the new WinRT programming model. That's the word according to our sources, who say that the core Office applications will be flatter, feature more white space, and use fewer lines in an effort to focus on content, but that the look will literally be window dressing — Office 15 apps will still be traditional Windows apps underneath. We can't immediately verify all of the claims, but in addition we're hearing that the ARM version will also be desktop applications, running in a restricted Windows 8 ARM desktop mode designed for power efficiency.
Microsoft's choice for Office desktop apps in Windows 8 appears to be a matter of time constraints. One source indicated that plans to build a true Metro style Windows 8 version of Office have been pushed back as the Office team would have to overhaul the entire suite to take advantage of WinRT, adding time to the software development process. Microsoft's design lead, Steve Kaneko, is upbeat about the improvements, saying people will be "really impressed" with Office 15.
Microsoft is, however, building at least two Metro style Windows 8 Office applications using WinRT. OneNote and Lync will both be released as Metro style applications, presumably in the new Windows Store. The apps are less complex than their Word and Excel equivalents, perhaps easing their ports to Windows 8 Metro style and iOS — they're already on the iPad, presumably to hook users onto associated Microsoft services like SkyDrive and Office 365. Microsoft announced its Office 15 Technical Preview this week, with a beta due in summer, and we expect to hear a lot more about the future of Office in the coming months.

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As long as it can run on ARM and has better collaborative feature like Google Docs I don’t really mind
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:36 AM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Aren’t all the collaboration features already there in either sky drive or sharepoint? Or does google docs have something over them, as far as I have tried them I prefer Microsofts offerings.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 12:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Google Docs is a horrible product. My daughter’s school uses it and she always complans about how it won’t save changes…etc. I told her I won’t support this crap on my time off! I let her know she needs to plug Office 365 because you don’t drink milk when you can have Choclolate milk!
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 3:33 PM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
They probably use it because they have no IT and they think Google will do all the work for them. The Google Chromebook idea is a horrible pipedream that will take years to get right. With Google at the helm it may never come to fruition.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 6:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Simultaneous document editing only works for those hosted on SharePoint and OneNote. If you try to edit a document via the web app while it’s open somewhere else you’re present a notification stating such. If you try to open in through the client app you can only view it or work on an offline version that will merge changes when it becomes available, meaning it was closed in the other location.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:14 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
So you want an office suite … on your tablet… with a desktop UI… awesome
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 4:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What had WinRT have to do with it all, did they not say WinRT is going to be included in server edition windows only?
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No!
Next question.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:40 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You’re thinking of two completely different things. You’re thinking or ReFS, which is the new filesystem that will be present only in Server 8. WinRT is the new programming language for Metro style apps.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:41 AM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
What he said… WinRT is the new Windows Runtime Library actually. I think it supports C#, VB.Net, HTML 5. I could be wrong though.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:48 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
No you are completely right. Sorry to be finicky though on this:
WinRT is the new programming language for Metro style app
WinRT is the programming model which C#, C++, Javascript, HTML5, VB.NET etc all plug into to create Metro Apps for Windows 8 :)
Desktop Apps are developed using existing pathes. WinRT (Metro) will also run on ARM technologies as well.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
WinRT is a library the wraps the Windows kernel. You can access it in C#, C++, VB.NET and Javascript.
All Metro style apps run on WinRT.
Desktop apps are developed using the existing paths such as .Net or Win32
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 3:53 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Thanks for the clarification! I wasn’t too sure, but was lazy to google it.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 4:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A Windows table without Office would be utterly idiotic. Akin to a Blackberry tablet without email.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:38 AM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
Ha. Funny :)
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
why would they release a tablet without office whiles they are making one for the iPad?
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t know. But that’s what the article says. I mean, yeah, they might port Office to ARM and you might be able to buy it for a few hundred bucks (the price of the tablet itself), but that would be a strange idea, wouldn’t it?
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t think that’s what the article is suggesting.. Only thing its saying is there wouldn’t be a Metro version. Just a tweaked desktop version we know . But you are right on the price.. Imagine there is a stripped down version if office for the iPad which cost 20bucks and windows tablets have only the desktop version which costs $180 that will be a shot in the foot of win8 tablets… But it could all be just a rumour.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:07 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Just clarifying that Office starts at $120 retail with Professional Plus being available for much less for students.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:19 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Because iPad currently exists.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Who’s ‘they’? Microsoft didn’t make the iPad genius. Microsoft doesn’t make hardware.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 4:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes they do: XBOX.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 5:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Plus a ton of peripherals.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 8:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
and Zune (formerly)
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 1:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is true to most people, but as a Windows user primarily, I can’t remember the last time I use office (Word, Excel, Presentation) Wait… does outlook counts as an office product?
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Outlook on Windows is part of Office, yes.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes.. But you could buy it seperately I think
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:09 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
You can buy all the Office apps separately.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:17 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
OneNote for touch should cover most of my needs for touch input but I do hope they have an option to export the file as .docx from that app!
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:41 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Lets up hardware folks come up with really great stylus support.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:18 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That’s one of the key features of Windows over some rival platforms – pen input. Imagine if Office 15 can actually take notes really well…
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 12:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve been trying to use as little paper as I can this semester and I got to say, trying to draw graphs in OneNote is pretty hard. Maybe i’m missing some shortcuts but being able to use a pen would be pretty awesome.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 1:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OneNote was introduced along with the Windows XP Tablet PC Edition and has therefore featured ink support from day one. You could also search in your handwritten text although sometimes it didn’t recognize it correctly (might have been due to my handwriting though).
So if you buy a Windows 8 Tablet with Ink support (that is a stylus) and run One Note on it I at least am pretty sure that you could still use it there – like – well, the previous 7 years ;)
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 1:24 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I believe in the future note-taking will be super-fast. Here’s why:
Basically, anyone who’s typed a lot will have the muscle memory so that they can approximately type up anything with or without looking on any flat surface.
The rest of my argument hinges on this next point
Anyone who’s used Swype for more than a few days can say the same about Swyping on blank flat surfaces.
Recently I believe that they are doing well on software that recognizes strokes relative to each other so that essentially, by half-predicting your words, it can tell what your Swype input meant even if it’s on a surface with no displayed keyboard and your strokes are not perfectly in proportion.
If you try doing that on a largish plane of glass, and it successfully recognises it, which it will eventually, you realise that it’s not all that different from ‘normal’ writing, except for one key difference:
Each swype stroke represents a word, not a letter or part of a letter.
You never need to learn any new Swype ‘symbols’, just go where the muscle memory takes you.
Thus, it completely takes the piss out of normal writing and typing less so, in terms of speed.
If you are doubtful, you are probably one of those people who isn’t used to Swype. If you aren’t, try Swyping out a sentence on a wall near you. It’s so easy.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If all you need is to type (ie not an engineering class or science), then a regular keyboard >>>>> Swype.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 7:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What’s that? It’s like you live in a world where OneNote doesn’t already exist :P. Office can alreay take notes – typed, handwritten, video and audio, extremly well.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:46 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
OneNote 2010 is one of the most awesome products ever.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 7:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
OneNote already has great stylus support.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
The issue isn’t actually the software. It’s in touchscreen technology that works great for navigation with fingers, but has pixel accuracy for writing and taking notes.
The Capacitive/Resistive hybrid digitizes are one idea. Also something like the ipen that uses IR or NFC to estimate the pens location along with the capacitive input to give better accuracy.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:29 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
There’s already a few Windows 7 devices that mix digitizers with Capacitive screens for a while now, and resitive screens have always been wondering at taking notes.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thinkpads and Elitebooks don’t use resistive screens.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 7:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A Courier app will be great too :P
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:47 AM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
Watch out for the “Moorea” app!
;)
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 12:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I guess if that’s true that means Microsoft need to rewrite significant parts of the Office to if they want it to run on WinRT APIs. Which may not be financially feasible or due to the tight time frame which rumour they want to deliver the RTM to OEMs before Labour Day (Sept 1) this year .
In my opinion, I don’t think Metro really suits Office for how many features it has. Don’t really mind a slightly tweaked version of the Office ribbon on 15.
While port the existing Office to ARM based Windows 8 is pretty much a matter of recompile.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:49 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Who cares if they have time or not? They need something that opens ppt attachments and allows to make at least some edits. Out of the box.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:56 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Out of the box you say ? I doubt that will happen.. you have to make do with Wordpad
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:11 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Wordpad won’t help with Excel or Powerpoint. And no, I won’t have to. I’ll just pass on buying the thing.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:12 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So you mean something along the Lines of what Office 2010 Starter does on PCs now (which is freely available on new PCs although it displays ads for Microsoft products).
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 1:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I don’t know. Maybe something like Office on Windows Phone. But then Microsoft is in a very tricky situation here – they don’t won’t to create a situation where 80% of users won’t ever need a full Office package (and I think they don’t, but rather have to buy it to have basic functionality on Windows).
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 1:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Office is never out of the box… ever… ever…
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:19 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Actually, it is now with 2010 Starter. It’s not the full versions but they are funtional ad supported versions of Word and Excel with a PowerPoint viewer.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:25 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Does anyone ever use Pages on the iPad? Does the interface works well or it’s too limited? I assume it’s not as fully featured as Word especially for the hardcore users?
As for metro style, doesn’t the ribbon concept works as a slide down menu thinggy?
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 10:56 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Given the context you’re using Pages, it doesn’t need to be as fully-featured as Word. It works fine, and it’s not the same as the full version on OS X. But again, within the context you’d be using it, you won’t miss those extra features.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:30 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’ve never done any heavy document editing on my iPad. Trying to type anything for a significant period of time just doesn’t make that much sense.
However, I do expect even the most basic of Word, Excel, and Powerpoint viewers as Metro apps with the option of opening those files up “in real Office”. That makes far more sense to me.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 1:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Use a bluetooth keyboard, problem solved. Pages lacks cross references for the iPad. Adding it would be simple; it could be added to the cut/copy/paste tiny context menu that pops up – something like “make reference” would work.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Bluetooth keyboard? Really? At that point, you might as well just use a laptop. It’s far less clunky and has more features. Plus, it doesn’t cause “gorilla arm syndrome” every time you need to touch the screen to move to a different point in the document.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:06 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
" I assume it’s not as fully featured as Word especially for the hardcore users?"
Why … would you assume that?
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 4:54 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I agree powerpoint is needed. Powerpoint and some version of word. Otherwise I might as well get a tablet from anyone else.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 5:06 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Thank God.
Metro makes me want to vomit.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:12 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You’re going to have a lot of issues with Windows 8 if you’re so against Metro.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:32 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
so in otherwords, Microsoft is not screwing over their business customers who just upgraded to Windows 7.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:13 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What does this have to do with anything? Microsoft should stop making products because a business just upgraded to the current-yet-2-year old version? A busniess customer is not the one who is going to be buying the latest version day 1 anyway.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:19 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Businesses are the ones spending serious money on Office licensing (it makes at least as much money as Windows itself). Creating a version of office that only runs on a version of Windows that the few thousand early adopters have bought (and who are not going to be licensing the expensive editions of office en masse) would be financially suicidal.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:31 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wait, did you seriously think that there wasn’t going to be a version of Office 15 for Vista/7? XP support is probably gone, but there’s no chance in hell that Office 15 was ever going to be JUST for Windows 8.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:48 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think we are agreeing actually – I misinterpreted your previous reply as suggesting that Office 15 should be Metro (and therefore Windows 8) only thereby cutting off a potential revenue stream from the many businesses running Windows 7. Which, as you say, would be ridiculous.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:54 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think we are agreeing :)
What I was asking is how Microsoft is “screwing” customers by releasing a new version of Office. somnia was probably just complaining that (oh noes!) a company continues to release products.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:38 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
that comment sparked a long thread…. I was attempting to semi-humorously comment on what Malcolm & you stated: that cutting off Office 15 from Win7 would be a bad move. no complaint intended.
obviously the semi-humor part failed :)
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 12:49 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sarcasm is hard to detect over the Internet.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 6:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
In other words, they’re behind schedule… yay.. um… thanks Microsoft??
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 4:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Software is always behind schedule.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 7:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
always behind schedule until release*
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 7:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
With the possible exception of Office 95 I can’t think of a single version of Office that hasn’t supported the “previous” version of Windows upon release. It would be barmy to release a version of office that only supported Windows 8. Given that it is well established that desktop (as opposed to Metro) apps are totally compatible between Windows 7 and 8 is it in any way surprising that Office 15 is also a desktop application?
There’s also the fact that Metro’s touch first ethos seems somewhat at odds with the complexity of an application such as Office. I can see them producing simplified metro office apps going forward, but not full-fat office. That said as an application developer I’m very interested to see how touch-friendly office 15 is.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:26 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
…get some tips on how to implement our own Metro-Friendly apps :)
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:27 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Exactly.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:32 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Seems odd that they would do this, why not push back 15 for Metro and release a service pack for 14 that can do the touch-friendliness for the time being.
Then again, 2012 + 2013 + 2014 = $$$$ (cause you know a Metro WinRT version can’t be that far behind)
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 11:36 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
What about when you open Office 15 from within the Metro UI, will it kick back to the desktop.
That’s the bigger problem IMO. People will be lost, dazed, and confused.
My hope for Win 8 is that you can run any app within either Metro or classic Desktop
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 12:07 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Desktop apps and Metro apps can exist together in relative harmony. You can run them side by side using the slider to dock apps on the left/right of the screen. You won’t really notice that they’re not desktop apps.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 12:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’ve not used Windows 8 have you?
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:48 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think skydrive and its web office will play a more important role on Win8, when it comes to `integrated office experience`, add a metro style to it, and a shortcut on the startpage, and there you have it, free office!
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 12:10 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I think you’re right here, any type of Metro style Office apps will likely come in the form of an upgrade to the existing web apps in my opinion.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 12:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I was wondering about this Tom.. why are they not using the Web Apps to make basic Metro apps? Then just like in IE, have a button to open the document in Classic mode when you need more features. I would have thought that was both obvious and relatively easy to do…
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 4:40 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is a big giant epic fail.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 12:45 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Rumor is that a scaled down version will be put out for tablet users who don’t need full functionality of office. But they will never kill of the full version of office as we see today, to many companies rely on it.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 1:03 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Think of what Office 2010 Starter currently does. This comes for free on most new PCs nowadays and I can actually see them shiping something like this along with Windows 8 (instead of Wordpad). This would of course not offer the full functionality but whould allow people to view office documents and do basic editing (which is enough for most users anyway).
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 1:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’ve never seen Starter (it looks like a US-only thing), but that’s still not a good solution – imagine a tablet with Metro and touch and all that stuff, which throws you into Office 2010, with ribbon and all those menus and buttons – all because somebody sent you an attachment!
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 1:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There is no one who ’doesn’t need full functionality’… the only reason they’re doing this is they don’t want to sell you anything like Office for the iOS-style price points.
This is not thoughtfulness, this is greed. Anything close to MS WORD LITE for 20 bucks is just them being greedy. The only reason Apple can sell full featured iWork apps is because they make money on the hardware. MS is between a rock and hard place.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 4:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
No one here has any clue as to what they are talking about quite simply because Microsoft hasn’t released any details yet. Stop acting like Microsoft just kicked your puppy and wait until some actual facts are released.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 1:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s why they shouldn’t publicly announce anything until they are ready to handle the speculation of the rumor mill. MS always seems to released unfinished stuff and by the time it’s out, it resembles nothing at all like the actual product. Keep it internal with developers, control the whole situation. Right now, we know about this, but who can use it? No one, only “nominated” developers.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Most user don’t even know the tech rumour mill exists. Especially for things like Office.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Perhaps they do this so they can gauge reactions and develop accordingly. Keeping things hush-hush only hurts their development process. Items like ribbons, file management, reboot timing, Metro style scrolling, Metro and Win7 side by side functionality, and a myriad of other options may not have ever seen the light of day before they released the beta, and those changes would have been forced to come in patch updates that would reflect poorly on the OS as a whole.
Unlike Apple, (who I only use a comparison because Linux does a decent job at this) Windows does not have the luxury of only developing an OS with rigid functionality for a subset of the PC world. They need to know what people want before they work on it and release it.
Just my two cents
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:29 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I hope the Metro OneNote app is complimentary to the current OneNote. I don’t particularly want a metro style OneNote, but one in the style the other Office 15 applications have been described in would be very welcome.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Any Office metro app is going to be complimentary – they’re not going to stop working on their desktop side.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 2:49 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I find it hard to see how Excel could be improved by making it Metro… though I did think that before I used the Ribbon.
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 5:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
So no selling office in the Metro Windows Store? Ruh Roh!
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 6:41 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
As long as the don’t mess with the big three (Outlook, Word & Excel) and return my ability to direct sync Outlook with all my devices (no cloud!), I don’t care what tweaks they make.
Dance with who brung ya, Microsoft!!!
Posted on Jan 31, 2012 | 8:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nice rumours, since I find metro UI on a PC particularly terrible for actual work.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 7:52 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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