Back in December, a rumor emerged that Microsoft could be ditching the traditional Windows desktop for Windows 8 ARM tablets, signaling a move towards the Metro style user interface as the sole ARM strategy. Microsoft has consistently refused to comment on its plans for Windows 8 ARM, and has been reluctant to let vendors show off tablets running on ARM chipsets. The air of secrecy has created uncertainty for application developers and confusion for analysts and media who follow the company's every move. So what happens if Microsoft isn't removing the desktop, it's just restricting it? That's exactly what we are hearing the software giant plans to do.
Microsoft is said to be contemplating a restricted desktop for Windows 8 ARM involving trusted certificates for ARM desktop applications. ARM tablets running Windows 8 are designed to be Microsoft's alternative to Apple's iPad, and the company is keen to ensure applications do not affect the battery life. Microsoft's Windows 8 Metro style work involves a number of measures to suspend applications cleanly, something not available for legacy applications. Desktop applications on Windows 8 ARM will likely be restricted to just Internet Explorer and Office, and we're hearing the Office team has put a lot of effort into Office 15 to ensure it is power efficient for ARM devices.
Microsoft demonstrated its early Office work on ARM chipsets last year, and the company's Windows planning and hardware chief Michael Angiulo, made it clear that "ARM isn't just for tablets," leaving it up to system builders to decide "what the next generation of PCs look like" while they "all have control of the Windows desktop." Don't expect to see ARM laptops and convertibles straight away though, Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang believes tablets will come first. We understand that Microsoft won't deviate from its desktop on ARM plan, but that any developers wishing to build ARM desktop apps might have a tricky time getting a signed certificate from the company.
A Windows 8 beta, labeled as a "Consumer Preview," is due in the coming weeks, and one source has revealed Microsoft is building escrow copies of the software — a phase prior to the final sign-off on a significant Windows milestone. The latest, build 8220.0.120127-1925, is said to be the initial work towards a final beta copy. Whether or not Microsoft has made a final ARM strategy decision by beta remains to be seen, but developers are eager to hear about the possibility of full desktop apps on Windows 8 ARM and could be left frustrated by restrictions.

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And the source of this info is? If there isn’t one, the word “rumor” really should be in the title.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 1:42 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
It’s a exclusive, I think.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 1:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yeah, this is just a bunch of rumors and speculation rounded up to make an ‘article’ full of FUD. Come on The Verge, I expect better of you….
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Microsoft, second king of FUD, is suffering from FUD?
Oh, the karma…
Posted on Feb 02, 2012 | 1:09 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
“Rumors” are information from unverified sources. So, for example, when the writer says, “Back in December, a rumor emerged that Microsoft could be ditching the traditional Windows desktop for Windows 8 ARM tablets…” he’s acknowledging this. When, on the other hand, he says, “we’re hearing…” what he is signaling is that he is getting the info from a verified source. Who is the source? Who knows. That he doesn’t tell us doesn’t make his info less valid; this is how journalism works. It’s also worth noting that this article says that this is a move Microsoft is “contemplating,” which means no firm decision has been made.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend (9) Flag actions
Indeed. Things change and this isn’t fully set in stone which is why I didn’t angle it that way. This is definitely not FUD though.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 6:29 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Bummer?
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 1:42 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I feel like Microsoft is dancing a fine line here. They don’t want to give the impression that any Windows program you download will run on a Windows tablet, however apps that are written in .NET should be able to work without any recompiling.
I predict that they’ll ship with no desktop tile, but an option to turn it on after several warnings.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 1:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Without recompiling is one thing, but should they still be redesigned (for touch, limited screen, power saving, etc.) That sounds like a lot of work and will not likely be done at launch for most potential Apps. Plus a lot of apps in the desktop world are for messing with the system or Look n Feel etc., none of which is allowed for metro (I think)?
Piling a load of unoptimized .Net desktop apps will be the quick death of Win8 ARM for most consumers.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I’m really thinking about businesses which will resist having to redevelop their apps for Windows 8. Consumers will just buy whatever is in the Windows Store.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 5:43 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
There’s a lot of talk about the Metro interface in Windows 8, so much so, that’s almost all the news I see about Windows 8. But from what I can tell, it’s only a replacement for the Start menu. Is that not correct? I know there will be new Metro-style apps written in a new language, but is the Metro interface coming anywhere else to Windows? I know it’s not coming to Windows Explorer. We get the beloved ribbon for that!
So besides the Metro-style Start menu, what actual new features are there in Windows 8?
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 1:50 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 1:52 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Of course Wikipedia has a page. Thanks. Doesn’t look like there’s anything too exciting, but I am looking forward to seeing what Metro apps start to pop up.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 1:59 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would expect more news about consumer fetus when the Consumer Preview is released this month.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:14 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
But I want to know if MS is shipping a fetus with each retail copy or not. Someones got to know, right?
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:50 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Damn it, I meant to say features. Darn autocorrect. =/
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 3:26 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
One wonders what you’re typing fetus so much for… Hmmm
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 3:31 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There is a ton of new exciting things…. the new sorta file system bringing us storage pools, a potential new media center, the live id integration are all huge new features imo.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’d love to hear about a new Media Center. I’m currently using a Mac, but Media Center is a big feature I miss from Windows. It kills me that Apple actually took Front Row, their only app really comparable to Media Center, totally out of Lion.
I thought I’d heard, though, that Media Center would possibly be removed from Windows 8. Maybe that’s just because it wasn’t in the initial preview, but I hope it sticks around.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 3:24 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
My guess is that it’s become an app that’ll be in the Windows Store like any other app. Hopefully this also means it can be intreated on faster than just with every Windows release.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 3:27 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Shouldn’t “Media Center” just be Zune now? No need to have both side by side.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 11:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 1:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
ReFS, Storage spaces, UEFI support, ARM support, new touch keyboard, faster boot times, better backup functionality, new Windows Explorer functionality (file transfer and duplicate resolution dialogs are redesigned), Windows Store, refresh and reset functionality, Windows live can now sync Metro app states and settings between Windows 8 computers, USB 3 native support, and some other awesome stuff.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 4:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Yes, the Metro interface will not only be used on the Start Screen but also for common tasks like selecting a projector, managing networks, auto-play functionality or PC settings. Even when you are in the desktop environment. Metro is much more than just the Start Screen.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 5:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Interesting. So are they going to enforce code signing for all executables like they did driver signing for x64 windows? Will they take it a step further and require that all code be signed by a Microsoft cert (like they do on the phone and will for marketplace apps)?
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 1:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Fragmentation?
#trollin
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 1:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
one could argue that… considering many legacy programs won’t work on ARM as they are x86. you also could argue its irelevent for the same reason.
WinRT apps will work on both ARM and x86, though.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Having software that won’t run on all versions of Windows 8 is by definition, fragmentation.
This is gonna be a huge point of education that Microsoft will have to drive home. You’re going to have to introduce consumers to the fact that there will be two different (internal) hardware configurations under the same name that will allow very different functionality. This is incredibly dangerous.
MS might choose to differentiate the brand name for Windows 8. Opting to name one “Windows 8” and the other “Windows 8 ARM” if even. I could see them opting to choose a completely different name to better drive the ARM differentiation home.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The biggest problem with Window’s is the desktop. It won’t work for tablets, and they need to find away to bring their intel based apps over to an ARM based (touch friendly) environment. Another thing that would help them, stop calling their metro style OS “Windows.”
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
since Office 15 isn’t going to be 100% Metro, they kinda have to do this.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:15 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This seems very stupid to allow office and IE to run in the old desktop…. You either have to allow a way for other apps to be “approved” for the desktop as well or don’t let anything in. Part of what most people were excited about with windows 8 was to have the “slimness” of ios/android but still have the power to run full apps the few times it’s needed.
Also seems really dumb to even have a non metro version of office for the tablet….. we all know metro is the future of windows so they should start making office for that as well. The biggest potential failing of windows 8 will be how many times you have to “jump back” to the old desktop view.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Ugh. I predict Windows 8 will make Vista look like a smashing success by comparison.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
ARM versions of win8 tablets are there to battle ipads. But an ARM win8 tablet that doesn’t have many specifically written apps (Metro) or old legacys apps (x86), and isnt cheaper are better built than an ipad 3 will not take market share from the ipad. I cant see how anyone on earth will see the 2 machines and pick the win8 ARM machine.
So MS must be playing the long game and hoping that the huge amount of laptops and desktops that will be sold with win8 will spur developers on to make Metro apps, thus giving ARM tablets the software they need in the long run to compete with the ipad.
But in my mind that process is gonna take a few years at least. I see MS de-emphasisizing the importance of ARM this year. I think its one for the future and I just dont see it selling well (or OEM’s pushing it).
OEM’s cant produce what apple can for the same money and the only comparable x86 machines will be ultrabook prices ($1000 etc..).
Finally windows users buy windows generally because they dont have to buy software. They can get so much for free or they have old apps from 5 yrs ago that should still run. Your copy of photoshop cs3 will not run on ARM and you’ll have to wait forever for companies like Adobe to convert to ARM (if ever!).
I predict that in a few years time MS will claim victory with 400m win8 activations, but the dev shops like Path, Instagram etc.. will still say that indie dev’s dont make money developing on Windows. Same shit different day I suppose..
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 2:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Few years? Even the “poor” selling Windows Phone already has 50,000 apps after a year, and the user base of that platform might be 10 million? Microsoft will sell more copies than that in the first day.
I have no worries about the number of apps that will be available, the question is quality.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 3:30 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I totally agree. Look at the success if the Apple app store and one can instantly realize the appeal of buying desktop apps ib the same way we buy mobile ones. Personally, I’d rather purchase software from a central location with the assurance that it will run on my device with a direct download and option to redownload anytime than playing guess and check like we all have to do now.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 4:13 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Mmmm… Making basic phone apps is different to making tablet apps. There are far less iPad specific apps than iPhone apps. The mac app store sells no where near the amount that the iOS app store sells. The 100s of millions of people who will have win8 in the first few months will see metro in the same way as they see windows media centre right now, I.e. a layer they can launch that they don’t need or use.
Finally, there will be more than 1 way to get software on to the win8 platform. In fact devs will be able to still make apps for classic mode that will run not only on win8 but on all the other versions of windows. So what incentive will there be to make a win8 specific product that you give 30% to MS to distribute? Maybe some indie devs will bother but I doubt it will be some huge success overnight. This stuff is a slow burn.
I love how everyone thinks MS can just do what they want and will just automatically be successful. This isnt the 90’s anymore.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 9:52 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You guys all seem to forget the largest market for windows… The corporate world. Win 8 tablets will be attractive to businesses because they will slot into the existing windows environment, have flawless Exchange support, Sharepoint integration, etc.. The fact they will be locked down probably suits crporate environments even more
Compare that to rolling out iPads in a corporate environment and you have a pretty easy sell to IT departments.
I really think in 5 to 10 years we’ll see how smart these moves MS are making are.
Disclaimer: I am an android fanboy but really think Microsoft is making smart strategic decisions right now!
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 4:27 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
I will be excited if they can get these tablets under $300. Price is the only spec I care about at this point.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 3:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That’s not very reasonably or likely, IMO. Anything under about $450 would be just fine.
Posted on Feb 02, 2012 | 12:13 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
*reasonable
Posted on Feb 02, 2012 | 12:13 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
i will let you on a little secret..
you will be able to install “desktop” apps on windows/arm “computers”, tablets or otherwise.
how do i know that?
because of the antitrust court cases and settlements, microsoft must allow 3rd party browsers.
and browsers are "apps’, last time i checked..
so, i guess the secret is out now..
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 3:04 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
actually you are wrong.
The antitrust case does not include the next hundred years of MSFT products, it dealt with a set of products and a limited time frame which did in fact expire rather recently.
So will the EU and DOJ OffCom etc get upset ? sure why not, but it would be a whole new thing to come after.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 4:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
that european browser thingie was not that long ago, as investigation started 3 years ago, and agreement was reached just two years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_competition_case#Related_investigations
where are getting this information about expiration? i know antitrust doesn’t include the next hundred years, but these kinds of settlements tend to be longer than two or three years — see recent facebook and google (privacy?) settlements for the next 20 years..
Posted on Feb 02, 2012 | 5:09 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Google and Mozilla are free to create their own Metro styled browsers. They can even use native code for that.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 6:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
but if microsoft ships desktop IE with windows 8, they also must include other (comparable) desktop browser in a ballot-box: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrowserChoice.eu
also, if others are prevented from creating desktop browsers, which are the only ones able to run plugins (Metro/WinRT apps have limitation on spawning processes and running 3rd party code, both required for running plugins) that would give microsoft’s browser an (anti-)competitive advantage, and that is not allowed..
Posted on Feb 02, 2012 | 5:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Microsoft’s Metro browser doesn’t support plugins. There is no advantage.
Posted on Feb 02, 2012 | 12:57 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
did you read the article? it explicitly talks about a desktop version of IE that will be available even on ARM computers..
Posted on Feb 02, 2012 | 1:17 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m not sure why it would, it doesn’t make sense to add it because there is no ARM version of the Flash runtime for Windows. And unless Adobe develops it, it won’t matter if you are using the desktop or Metro version of IE.
Posted on Feb 02, 2012 | 2:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It seems very likely the only reason the ARM desktop exists is to run Office, because they won’t have a full Metro Office for years. Office might persuade some people that Windows ARM has a reason to exist.
But with new low power Intel chips even that doesn’t seem like it will gain much in sales for WinARM tablets.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 3:12 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Best solution IMO would be to let special “desktop” apps like Word 2012 run in the Metro environment as full screen apps. A real desktop would be a pain on small ARM tablets.
And they should market both versions of Windows 8 as two different products: Something like “Windows Metro” for ARM tablets and “Windows 8” for every other PC, desktop, convertible or x86 tablet.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 5:57 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think people might be surprised at how Office 15 works. It might be a desktop app, but it will certainly look like a Metro one with a chromeless experience for touch.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 6:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
If i can run multiple apps at once on the screen and use them like regular windows 7 , then im sold. If im stuck with one at a time like android tablets, or the ipad, then i have no care for a tablet
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 7:47 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well we already know you can run at least a couple apps side by side in the metro environment of Win8
Posted on Feb 02, 2012 | 12:16 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Microsoft.
Replace the Desktop Interface on ARM tablet with a Courier-like Journal Interface. It would work awesomely. Have desktop app icons along the side, Instead of a desktop background, you get an infinite journal for clippings and note-writing and doodling.
Do this, And I’ll buy one.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 8:35 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
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