Nokia reported its Q4 2011 earnings today and revealed it has "sold well over 1 million Lumia devices to date." The company says it plans to build on the figure with sales, marketing, and new products over the course of 2012, something that CEO Stephen Elop has promised previously. Nokia will also introduce the "Lumia series" to Chinese and Latin American markets in the first half of 2012.
The figure matches analyst expectations of between 1 and 2 million sales of Nokia's Lumia Windows Phone devices, but it doesn't provide evidence that Nokia's marketing blitz in Europe has paid off just yet. Nokia launched its Lumia 800 in November, backed by a 4D light projection show by deadmau5 at London's Millbank Tower, and its marketing efforts have certainly helped raise awareness for Microsoft's mobile operating system. It's still too early to say whether that has translated into improved sales just yet, but over 1 million sales is solid for a November launch.
Nokia's next move is launching its 4.3-inch Lumia 900 device in the US, expected in March for $99.99, with hints that it could be made available in Europe in June. Mobile World Congress kicks off in Barcelona next month and Nokia is holding a press conference on the show's opening day, where we expect to hear more about its 2012 plans.
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It’s good to hear that the Lumia brand is gaining traction. 1 million phnoes isn’t a lot by any standard but it’s impressive because of the lack of US release and limited release worldwide generally.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:27 AM EST reply Recommend (16) Flag actions
Yes, availability has been an issue in Q4’11 as they were still rolling them out. I don’t think global rollout for L800 is complete.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:31 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
it isn’t and it won’t be until the next ver of WP comes out.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:07 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I can see why you think that, but I will have to disagree. I think Lumia adoption will not be groundbreaking but quite steady. I think they might be at 5-10% marketshare by end of Q2 or beginning of Q3.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:26 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I’m certainly optimistic about nokia, but five to ten percent in a few quarters is very rosy. Five to ten million phones by Q3 would be a growth rate of nearing 100% per quarter—and the smartphone market is much greater than 100M phones. After all, marketshare takes into account existing users, not just sales in the quarter. But even if we were to count sales on a Q by Q basis, that’s still a hell of a lot of phones.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:46 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Ya 10% is pushing it, but I think 5% is close to what it may be. I was being way to optimistic when I step back and look at the numbers. Still I think 5% could be very reachable.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:48 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Is this a joke? I get Tom Warren is the Microsoft guy but this article completely failed to mention the figure announced at the same earnings call in which Nokia posted losses of $1.38 Billion, and a drop of 23% in smartphone sales. Talk about perspective.
I expect better from The Verge.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:21 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Loss has nothing to do with its smartphones business. Smartphones were bad as they had no WP, things should be brighter in 2012. Not a single surprise in the results, tbh, not for me at least.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:24 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You’re the joke here that cannot fathom losses derived from separate divisions down at Nokia. The Lumia is a limited release among a see of Symbian smartphone. It is not inconceivable for Lumias to be sold in this number while the losses being sustained by the other products as they failed to sell their usual target of days gone by.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Not bad at all, they have sold 1.4M new gen phones in one quarter, Apple took 2 quarters to sell the same amount of iphones!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:10 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
People think that you can build a brand in two months – impossible. Nokia and Windows (sort of) is starting all over again as in the past few years they’ve had serious problems with pleasing consumers. The only one that can judge how fast WP will grow is the potential buyer. It will probably be quite far from Apple numbers but it won’t be as bad as AndroIphone fanboys think…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:25 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
To be fair, the smartphone market was completely different at the time the iPhone debuted.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:37 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Agreed. There was LESS competition then. It’s tougher now.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:03 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
What? The opposite is true. It was tougher then since iPhone invented a new market category.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:11 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
What?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:28 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
You’ve lost your mind dude. You are telling me it’s easier for someone to enter this market NOW and compete against Apple and Android than it was BACK when iPhone and Android din’t even exist?
Market entry barriers didn’t even EXIST. Genius.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:34 AM EST reply Recommend (13) Flag actions
It was soooooo easy to make a phone back then.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:49 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Well no, but it was slightly less of an uphill task to launch a platform.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:43 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Was it really though? Isn’t always difficult to launch a platform? Haven’t the iOS and android models for platform launching proven that it may be easier now than ever to launch a platform? If anything, the successes of those two platforms shows that people are more willing than ever to embrace these pocket computers. And if we’ve learned anything from Apple, it’s that a platform can be successful even with a marketshare in the single digits.
In the past five years, there has been a complete shake up of the industry. Who’s to know whether there won’t be another one in the next five?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:08 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Really you feel that way?
What do you make of Blackberry and it’s troubles? What do you make of WebOS? What do you make of Nokia and Symbian? Did WP7 have a bumpy start or smooth sailing?
Is it really that easy to maintain let alone ENTER this market?
The answers to all these questions point in the opposite direction of what you are claiming.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:14 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
That easy? Did I say it was easy? Read it again. Less Difficult ≠ Easy. May Be Easier ≠ Will Be Easy.
And webOS did launch. WP7…launched. BB and symbian were the incumbents. You seem to believe that I mean that platforms grow themselves, but consider, before the iPhone there was no possibility of an ecosystem on the scale we now take for granted, and now there are two, almost three. IN FIVE YEARS. Think about that.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You equate WebOS launching to proof that one can enter this market.
There has to be PENETRATION otherwise you never entered. And don’t tell me WebOs penetrated.
The fact is entering this market now is much tougher than it was in 2007. Had WP7 launched in 2007 it wouldn’t have had the troubles it has now. It wouldn’t have to duke it out with juggernauts iPhone and Android. They would have all been on equal footing.
But that’s not the case and as such the ride has been tough and bumpy.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:40 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
But this isn’t about MAKING the phone (we know coming up with the idea was hard as hell). This is about SELLING it. It’s about entering this market.
If entering this market now is easier then Blackberry wouldn’t be having the troubles it’s having and WebOS wouldn’t have failed.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
When the market is in turmoil is the best time to enter. You seem not to understand the meaning of the word “enter” and the long tail potential entrants that can bide their time before turning markets upside down.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I should put it another way—the potential barriers for entry seem larger than ever, but the potential opportunity absolutely trumps those barriers. And five years ago, those barriers were just as large, but they were different from the set of barriers we have now. Five years ago, Apple had no chance to make an impact. And now that Apple is the incumbent, nobody else has a chance?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m arguing the selling of a device. Not the development.
Entering just for the sake of putting out a device isn’t the point. The point is entering and successfully selling a device.
Some juggernauts are having a hard time maintaining. I don’t see how you could think it’s easier to enter into this race (and have success) when a considerable competitor such as Palm failed (whilst they had an INCREDIBLE OS).
If you can’t see that then I agree to disagree. It’s tougher now. In my opinion.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Palm was a real player in the market when they ran out of money and sold to the shell of a company named HP. They were more successful than android having caught up despite launching half a year later [see the beginning of the attached chart].
Notice that at that point, android took off, and the reason for that was simple—the DROID, on Verizon. Palm never had great hardware and that was their downfall. All that it would have taken was the Pre 3 and a keyboardless version instead of the Pixi in the second half of 2010 and webOS would still be going strong. But they didn’t have the killer device.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 12:09 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
People seem to forget that the original iPhone was price at $499 and $599 for the first 4 months, and then fell $100 to $399 and $499. The prices were basically unsubsidized, and that definitely contributed to the sales figures. Oh, and the iPhone was only in a handful of countries for the first 6 months.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 12:20 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
In how many countries do you think the Lumia launched? Six.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 2:58 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
If creating the iPhone and capturing the smart phone market were easy in 2007, pre-iPhone, Nokia would have done it.
Yeah, there’s lots of competition today, but developing disruptive technology (like the iPhone was) is always a lot harder than developing derivative technologies (like the Lumia devices).
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Nobody is saying that coming up with the idea was easy. Apple was first with that. That’s the HARDEST part. Once they had the idea execution was the only obstacle. Not some competitor that is selling to the same crowd and a similar device.
Whoever wants to sell a smartphone now has to compete with the iPhone. A very similar device that targets the same crowd.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:01 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
New market = no competition. Saturated market = heavy competition.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 2:56 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
The amount of competition isn’t important. The size of the market is. If these numbers were posted back in ‘06, they would be amazing. But in a huge market that’s getting bigger every quarter, well one million sold isn’t much for any competitor..
Still, it’s a start.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:30 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
It’s a good start, since I doubt the other Windows Phone manufacturers sold much more than a couple million devices. And that’s with being in many more markets for over a year.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
That iPhone also didn’t have a subsidized price, and debuted when smartphones were not nearly as capable or widespread as they are now. Also, there are two Lumia devices.
You can make comparisons if you want, but they aren’t the best that can be made.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:19 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It took Apple 74 days to sell 1m iPhones. You are not reading the Wikipedia correctly as that first quarter was the last weekend in June.
Not only that, during about 65 of those days, the iPhone cost $500 for the 4 GB model and $600 for 8 GB model. This was with contract. Then in early Sep 2007, Apple reduced the price of the 8 GB model to $400. Apple sold 1m iPhones at >$500 with contract prices, and basically only in the USA.
It’s good that Nokia sold 1 to 2m Lumia phones in about 6 weeks. That’s a good sign. But I wouldn’t equate it what Apple did in 2007 as a lot of the Lumia phones are subsidized.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:26 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
You’re really going to go with that comparison? Apple was selling on one carrier for the first 3 months, and it had no history in the market. It was also supply limited.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:39 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
lol just ignore the delusional fanboys. i used to be a wp7 fanatic but then i took an arrow to the knee. >_>
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 5:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
so this just means they’ve sold 1 million Lumia phones to retail stores right? Not that 1 million people actually have bought a Lumia phone…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:11 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
I would like to know how many Lumias have been activated rather than sold
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:11 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Exactly! Activations is the only number that really matters so far as the OS adoption is concerned. This is just sell-in. These could all just be sitting on the shelf.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 12:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think sales = activations. Shipped would reference what has been sent to retailers, no?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 2:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why does it matter how many people are carrying the Lumia? All that matters to Nokia is that it sold over a million. It gets paid when it sells the device to a carrier or warehouse. That’s what it’s saying at its earnings call.
Do you think that a carrier will come back and order a huge ? If this isn’t the number of activations and you think a million of them are sitting on shelves, wait for next quarter. They obviously will be shipping more out if no one wants them.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:33 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
order a huge batch if they aren’t selling? *
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
LG and Nokia are now moving about the same number of their flagship phone.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:58 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
ok, thats the sell in. Whats the sell out?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:30 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Sell out = “sold well over 1 million Lumia devices to date.”
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:42 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
apple sells a million iphones every 2-3 days. what’s your point?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:11 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Although I’ve heard similar things said before about both iPhones and Android phones, I don’t see how its even possible. Selling 2-3 million in one day should obliterate their entire stock. Eventually they would sell enough to cover the entire world population at that rate. It just isn’t a feasible estimate, so where are these numbers coming from?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:37 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
sorry, I misread the post. It isn’t 2-3, just 1 million. But even then, that’s still a lot…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:39 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, they posted 38 million for the holiday season… which is about a million every 2-3 days. But holiday season sales are higher anyway + they had a launch. Typically it is about 2 million, I doubt they will grow much further than that 1 million per 2 days figure – there simply aren’t enough people buying high-end devices to get much more than that + there is strong competition from Android, WP and (maybe?) BB in the future.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:41 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Trolls rarely think before they post. Pay him no mind.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:38 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Hello there!
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:35 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
hi
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 5:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Encouraging start for windows phone
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:38 AM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
This isn’t the start for windows phone, that was over a year ago.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:40 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
yeah but come on they really had no support back then. its like the first year was the xbox and this year will be the xbox 360.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 2:46 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Perhaps if the 360 had identical specs as the xbox.
Sorry but this is a ridiculous claim. The most important constituency for selling handsets are carriers, and carriers don’t want to buy heavily into a platform that has spent a year treading water.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 2:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
These gen 2 phones have improved specs, so you can’t really say it’s like xbox vs xbox 360. Crabapples to apples, sir.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:00 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
While One Million Lumia isn’t impressive like Android 700.000 activation a day
It’s a good start, could be beginning of Nokia re-rise
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:45 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
they sold 1.5 bill s40 phones.. compare it to that
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:06 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
So? They sold many in the past, -31 % now. This doesn’t help them right now. It means nearly a billion Euro loss. And it would be more if MS didn’t give them 250 million USD this quarter.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:27 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Did you even read where the loss is coming from or just decided to troll? Smartphones-wise they are making a small profit. Nothing by Samsung and Apple standards, but still not a loss.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:33 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Their loss didn’t come from their phone division
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:06 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
Don’t confuse them with facts.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
they sold 1.5 of those phones over a vastly longer time frame.
Its like comparing how many times a fat bastard in his 50s has done a dump to that of a 4 year old.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 12:26 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You are trying to prove that iPhone got some traction faster than WP…wekk nobody is going to argue with that so why the spam? It is sort of obvious, you know.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 12:30 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Wait so you just compared an OS on hundreds of devices to one phone, from one company. Christ.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
apple sold 37 million iPhone 4s units…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:52 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Worldwide (Lumia available only in 6 Countries), Also already a famous brand and has better beachhead than Nokia
Also it Not 37 million iPhone 4S, it’s combination of all iPhone (like the 3GS)
Nokia Lumia also not available in China, World Largest Smartphone market
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:59 AM EST reply Recommend (14) Flag actions
It wasn’t available in the US, the second largest market. By end of Q2 it should be available worldwide and that is when the meaningful figures should start. Right now comparing Lumia sales to iPhone sales is just not right…they are miles behind and will be for the remainder of the year
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:06 AM EST reply Recommend (11) Flag actions
For most handset makers not being available in the US would be a big deal, but it has never been an important market for Nokia. There’s no real reason to expect that to suddenly change.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:42 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Umm, have you read ANY of the quotes and announcements given by Stephen Elop in the past 6 months? Obviously not if you’re making a completely false assertion like that.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:02 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Please indicate what is false. That the US has never been an important market for Nokia is a fact. That Elop might like it to be otherwise is obvious, but if cracking the US market was as simple as wanting it, Nokia would have done it years ago.
My assertion is based on reality, yours is based on nothing but sunny optimism.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:13 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
This for one: http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/02/bgr-interview-nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-on-the-companys-future-u-s-plans/
The Verge also interviewed him with similar feedback. The US will be a major market for Nokia going forward, don’t believe otherwise.
Posted on Feb 01, 2012 | 12:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
taking into account Lumia was available in 6 markets and for a 6week period
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:05 AM EST reply Recommend (8) Flag actions
Give us some real data to be able to compare to, How many iPhones were sold in ONLY the contries that these Nokia phones are avalible?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:07 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
More specifically, Apple sold 37 million iPhones in Q4 alone. To date Apple has sold well over 100 million iPhones. But I think that 37 million figure included all iPhones, not just the 4S, and they are global sales. While the Nokia’s sales are tiny compared to this, and likely won’t ever be like this again, the Lumina’s have had very limited release, which brings me to my other point…. WHY? Why is arguably their best phone being released so timidly? Sure it’s coming to the US but only for AT&T. That’s flippin retarded. With all the Android and iPhone 4S competition at AT&T, not to mention all over the US, Microkia’s big move is one nice phone on one carrier? That’s it?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:53 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think they cannot ramp up production fast enough, that’s why. As for the US – I’m sure you have to ask carriers about that, not Nokia.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:09 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
They say they are bringing Lumias to all carriers in the U.S.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You seem to forget that in the US, the carriers call the shots, not the Phone makers (with Apple being the ONE notable exception). The carriers here have been very cold to Nokia for some time now…so it’s going to take a little while before Nokia gets any real love (Hell, Sprint is barely giving Windows Phone 7 a fair shake…with their one HTC WP7 handset…nevermind Nokia).
Also, AT&T is not the only carrier with a Nokia/WP7…the Lumia 710 is available on T-Mobile here. So considering that, and its limited release, $1Mil units is not a bad figure. Of course, the real success story would be how many of those units are sitting in customers hands as opposed to store shelves…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 2:36 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nokia have sold 1.4M new gen phones in one quarter, Apple took 2 quarters to sell the same amount of iphones!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:11 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Since you’re going to spam the same thing again, I guess I will too:
To be fair, the smartphone market was completely different at the time the iPhone debuted.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:39 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Agreed. There was LESS competition then. It’s tougher now.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:06 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
People used Razrs then.. kids didn’t have phones.. Pre paid didn’t sell smartphones.. Less people had two phones.. And business smartphones had all the apps and features.. It was without a doubt harder then
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:17 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yeah, I’m supposed to believe that in world were every smartphone in the world has to compete against the beast that is iPhone and Android it’s easier to come up.
If this were the case Blackberry wouldn’t be having all the problems they are having and WebOS wouldn’t have tanked.
What are you guys smoking?.. i need some.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:06 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
no they sold 34.04 million iphones. NOT iphone 4s.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 12:28 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Selling over a million devices in 6 weeks and 6 markets is a good start.. but it shouldn’t end there
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:07 AM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
Somewhere in Mountain View town a man is lying down on the sidewalk pressing his ear against the ground. He lies eyes closed, deep concentration on his face. He listens and he hears a distant trembling, a quiet roar. What is it? Is it big or small? Will this fearful sensation die out in the distance or will it come closer growing along the way, becoming powerful, destroying all this man stands for, crushing down all he was building for years? He cannot find the answer, he has no peace of mind.
He stands up and walks away, a troubled mind full of uncertainty and fear. Andy Rubin.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:15 AM EST reply Recommend (6) Flag actions
He later decides that it was just indigestion from destroying BB, WinMO, Nokia and Palm market share and goes back to counting his 700,000 activations a day.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:47 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
This would paint him as an extremely overconfident and narcissistic person as all the mentioned were either too old and died of a natural causes (WinMO), being lazy or selfish enough to shoot themselves in the foot with no particular reason (Palm and RIM) or are still alive and kicking (Nokia). He has nothing to do with those distractions, although I admit he fought for himself very well.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:02 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Umm no
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:19 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
Insane rhetorics skill.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:21 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That’s kind of how I imagine him. Hard worker, smart, but a total narcissistic dick. I don’t know him personally nor have I heard any stories about him being a dick. I feel the same way about Ballmer but at least with Ballmer I have this video
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:26 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Damn wp7 fanboys are so delusional and blind they can’t see anything.
yea i’m sure google & apple are shaking in their legs even though they sell 1 million iPhones and android phones every 2 days.
nokia sold 1 million lumia phones in 2 months, big deal but analysts say N9 sold over 1.4 million.
not hating on anything but don’t be blind at least. look at apple’s recent revenue…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:09 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Why so serious? It’s obviously a joke.
If you want a more detailed analysis, fair enough and here you go. First off, on N9, Symbian and others. They do not get that much attention for the obvious reasons – both Meego and Symbian are obviously not players in the long run. So their short-term results are not interesting.
Then, for Lumia. Obviousle a million even if sold in just two months is a small number. It draws so much attention because it shows that the trend for Nokia’s Lumia and WP7 may actually become positive pretty soon and the system may get some real traction. Many analysts believe WP7 is a good product that is backed up by some serious money and it’s only a question of time when it will take off. The sales results hint us that maybe that time is now. That’s why so much attention.
Finally, on the way WP7 sales increase may influence the market. If you think about it you’ll understand it will hit Android harder then iOS. Reason being, it’s targeting the same price niche (it’s important to the markets ouside the US), Android brand is weaker then Apple’s and its audience is less dedicated to it, and the fact that from the usability point of view WP7 in many aspects is better then Android.
Hope, this is serious enough for you. This is not a prediction, this is just a possible turn of events. And I’m not a fanboy, mind you, Quite contrary, I’m working this market and I have to predict where it may go.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:19 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
I do see where you’re coming from, but I think many people here paint an overly optimistic and rosy picture of WP7’s prospects.
Sure, if anyone can establish a new platform it’s Microsoft, and I don’t doubt they have a good platform here. These sales however do seem a bit lacking to me. These are the kinds of numbers the Zune used to show against the iPod back in the day over similar periods of time. Many analysts believed it was only a matter of time until the Zune took off too, but that never even came close to happening even without an organised “Android” competitor in that mix. If WP7 is ever going to be more than a niche it needs sales significantly better than this, and if it can’t manage that with the Lumia then I hate to think what kind of amazing phone they’ll have to come up with to do it. I realise Nokia is not the only company selling WP7 devices, but they have been set up as the one to watch.
I do agree it’s Android that’ll feel the impact most if WP7 gains traction, but both Android and iOS are moving targets. I’ve currently got an iPhone myself, but I’d argue some of WP7’s window of oppourtunity closed with the release of ICS.
I’m also sure if the Lumia phones outsold the N9 by any significant margin Nokia would be happy to tell us about it.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:00 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Microsoft has a mixed history in playing a catch-up game. Zune was a flop but with Explorer and Xbox it worked alright. WP7 is a quality product and it may work, especially considering the amount of push MS and Nokia are providing.
But yet again, I agree this is just a hint of the possible success, we need to see what comes next. Next important thing will be how Nokia will start in US with 900.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:26 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Explorer was the product of a different era hitched firmly to the Windows monopoly of the day, and as much as I like my Xbox 360, the division is barely in the black even now.
I’m not meaning to be overly negative here, but I just see the phone market as being extremely difficult for WP7 to really break into at this point. If anyone can it’s Microsoft, but I feel Apple and/or Google would have to make some serious misteps for it to have much chance. That is always entirely possible of course.
I totally agree with you that the 900 is the one to watch.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Xbox is actually a good example how dedicated MS can be. They don’t mind investing in a product for several years to gain a profit in the end.
As for the smartphone market… People tend to forget that this is a very young emerging market and it is very changeable. Nothing is certain yet.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
lol xbox only recently became profitable to ms. they lost billions every year on it since 2006. they lose billions of $ every year on bing.
what’s your point?
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 5:39 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
that’s exactly hating. Lumias have been avialable for a few weeks in a few countries, excluding the biggest markets of china and USA…what did you expect to see – 15 million sales?! Give them freaking time, you can’t judge whether such a big partnership is successful by a limited release in a month and a half.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:19 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
Why does there have to be a “you fanboys are so delusional”? You sound like a fanboy of some product by coming in calling others fanboys. I think the tone of most us WP7 fans is that it’s a decent start and they need to build on it. No one is saying game over we are about to take over. Calm down a bit cause it’s sounds like hating even though you say you’re not.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:47 AM EST reply Recommend (4) Flag actions
No, he’s hearing Steve Ballmer jumping up and down.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 6:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m one in a million.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:28 AM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
One of a million out of 7 billion.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, what he said is true. He is one in a million.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:29 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
A million isn’t cool anymore.. especially a million dollars.
You know what is cool?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 2:39 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s a great brand with great devices behind it. Don’t give up on it Nokia!
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:39 AM EST reply Recommend (12) Flag actions
I’m a WP7/Nokia sceptic but this raised my eyebrow. One million in two months is a good result. Now its up to Nokia to innovate on the hardware and for Microsoft to build the ecosystem.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 7:51 AM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
Love how they brought back the iPad mini design.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:22 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
iPad mini? What’s that? :P
If you are talking about the iPod nano, yeah, the design of the Lumia 800 and 900 follows Nokia’s design language they had for quite some time.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:39 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Many have been waiting for this iPad mini you talk about, is it the fabled 7 inch tablet from Apple?
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:37 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I would love to know how many N9s were sold. Even dismissed by the company itself, and only available in “selected markets”, it may have been more than that. The N900 too, it was certainly modest, but I would love to know.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:50 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
No more than 100k, since they didn’t make more than 100k.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:45 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Pertinent information in the last two paragraphs
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 12:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You are probably referring to the rumors regarding the device that was never launched, N950, or “Jessie’s Girl”, which never became a real product, but just some crazy thing they gave away to developers. N9 is in full production and being sold at many countries, with proper advertisement etc. They had the 9 seconds campaign, the Chinese video, etc…
It’s absurd that you may think that of the N9. Nokia even made this awesome video of the N9 being manufactured http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqxYiXtzKd0 . Do you think it’s the 100.00th being built right there?…
Gosh, they even announced the white N9.
But it makes no difference right, people prefer to incorrectly resonate some crap barked by Eldar Murtazin. People really believe just in whatever pleases them, it’s amazing. This is the true amazing everyday. The truth lies where you least expect it!
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:19 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Considering how it is pushed as a pretty major device across multiple carriers in some countries, your figure cannot be true.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:38 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I just want to know if I will be able to buy an unlocked Lumia 900 to use with Straight Talk?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 8:51 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
But how many have been sold to consumers? The Windows Phone app on Facebook (When settings up emails, you are prompted to add your Facebook account) is only at 1.3 million. Unless the number has stopped updating or something, it has been around this number for a few weeks.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:02 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
And the Facebook app in the Marketplace is only at 1.1 million.
Links: http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=135892916448833&ref=ts
http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=7933375107
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:04 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I hope you realize not everyone uses their mobile for Facebook!? E-mail can be accessed through browser, so not everyone uses that either.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:07 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
It’s worth noting that not everyone will add Facebook to the device settings.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:09 AM EST reply Recommend (7) Flag actions
A modest question if you will allow me?
You mentioned that you are prompted to add your Facebook account when setting up the phone and emails. Are you aware that adding your FB account during the initial set up does not correlate to downloading an entirely separate app that does essentially the same thing as the integrated service you just signed into? The counter on the FB app is just that, a counter for how many people downloaded the FB app and not how many people are using FB through the integrated service on WP.
Is it necessary to download the FB app in WP like it is in iOS and Android? WP offers pretty decent integration, as far as posting, messaging, notifications, responses, updates, calendar support and uploading.
I’m not sure judging the sales of a phone buy the download of a single App is an accurate measurement. Everyone does not uses FB, everyone does not download Apps, and not all phones need a separate FB app to function properly.
We should look to another metric for better answers.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 2:31 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
There’s also this Android app with ten downloads, I think it’s safe for me to assume that there are only ten Android users?
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:40 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
FB is integrated into WP7. I have yet needed a reason to download the official app for my 800. Maybe I will just for numbers sake.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:11 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
slick looking phone – i bet ICS would be awesome on it…just sayin…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:20 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
ICS would be terribly slow on this phone. ICS needs more power for good performance compared to WP and iOS. No?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:30 AM EST reply Recommend (10) Flag actions
No
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:23 AM EST via mobile reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Excuse me? I have a Galaxy Nexus and I love Android, but Caco is right. WP7 runs perfectly smooth on a single A8 @ <800MHz. I would love to see someone run ICS as smoothly on that hardware.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:31 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It is impossible…but, hey, here’s how it goes:
1. with android you pay for the hardware, but don’t pay for OS
2. with WP you pay for the OS but you don’t pay for the hardware
end result – prices are similar for similar performance. Fair and square I believe.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:34 PM EST reply Recommend (3) Flag actions
You may be wrong here…
If Lumia 900 is 99$ on contract then prices for WP will actually come out to be cheaper…
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 1:21 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well, I am looking at UK prices for 800…obviously hardware varies on Androids…but WP is certainly same or lower than Android for similar perforamnce+quality. Which speaks a lot for how much they are essentally “giving them away” those Lumias :) Works for me as a consumer.
Posted on Jan 27, 2012 | 3:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
There are many ways to secure a “high-end” phone for that price on contract.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:41 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Looking at that picture I’ve decided that whoever designed the Youtube app is a bit silly. I mean, having two search buttons within a cm of each other, nice…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:31 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
troll on… that’s not an app, thats the mobile version of youtube.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:32 AM EST reply Recommend (5) Flag actions
moreover, it actually displays “m.youtube.com” in the address bar…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:34 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Well I wasn’t trolling, it was just a mistake as I didn’t look properly!
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:01 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
To be fair is does show up as an app on the marketplace.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:35 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Google loves Windows Phone, giving us a great YouTube app and all.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:42 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This kind of problem doesn’t happen in the N9, which has no physical buttons at all! #trolllolon
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think Nokia is on the right track,
A high quality designed phone with a good OS,
The specs/screen could be a bit better tho.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:37 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
My contacts at CPW say it is selling very well still and they expect another big wave when they eventually get stock of the magenta option.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:44 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Even though they are only active in 6 markets 1 mission handsets over 2 months is not a lot of phones. You cannot even compare this to the original iPhone launch, which was an unknown operating system. Its just another WP7 device and a million units sold, over the holiday period no less, is pathetic. Considering that the areas where they were on sale used to be strong sales regions for Nokia makes it even worse. Maybe their marketing team should have pulled and Amazon and said, “the Lumia handsets are selling really well, its our best seller, we have sold millions”. haha
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:55 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Why so serious?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:56 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I ordered my Lumia before christmas but I only got it 2 weeks ago, it was always out of stock, and Orange reported that it was the most preordered Nokia in their history, so its not doing bad.
Its a great phone too
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:00 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I’m glad they’re doing so well, but I wouldn’t say this is Nokia and Windows first attempt at smartphone dominance. If it was, I’d say they’re on track. Windows has been at this with different manufacturers for a while. You and I know this is something new, but to the public, it’s just another Windows Phone. If it’s not taking off big time by now, it’s hard to see it happening. When the iPhone was first starting there was no iPhone to compete with. That’s why it has 37% of the smart phone market, cause there was no competition to it’s innovative approach. WP7 isn’t even a first attempt, but with this reboot they’ve got iOS and Android to compete with. Plus, BB10 is trying to grab a piece of the pie just like WP7 is, if you won’t write off WP7, why write off BB10? Balmer thinks Microsoft is going to swoop in and take Apple’s momentum like Windows did to Mac back in the day. The world isn’t the same anymore. Android is the inexpensive alternative that copied Apple, and so Windows isn’t needed. The only hope I can see for WP7 is if Windows 8 takes off, and people want their phone to match it. We’ll have to wait and see. But at this rate, I don’t think people are willing to give up their iPhones and Android handsets because something has a Microsoft label, a Nokia label, and colorful squares. I’ve tried Windows Phones and I don’t understand the hype, unless I’m comparing them to feature phones of yore. Plus, as Windows improves, Android and iPhone are going to keep improving. Mango’s big update included copy and paste. Android’s was Face Unlock etc and iPhone’s was Siri etc. Looks like WP7 is still behind, with no chance of closing the gap in sight.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:02 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
You simply do not understand how business works. It is tougher to create a new market category than to compete in an existing one.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:14 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
And you simply undervalue mind share and how hard it is to penetrate a maturing, heavily-contested market.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:44 AM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
If the iPhone came from some unknown company then I would agree. But it came from Apple. Maybe now people associate Apple with the iPhone but back in 2007, Apple still had a following of dedicated consumers (don’t forget about the iPod, specifically). There were plenty of those people to snap up this new product and have it catch on. So don’t act like Apple was some random, background company in 2007.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 7:58 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
1. At least in Europe WP is currently competing on pricing with Androids.
2. BB may succeed but they need a killer product – MS has the integration with Desktop and XBox to work with, BB doesn’t have much to say “here’s where we are better than Android, iOS, WP” so I can’t see them succeeding. In my opinion they will go Palm’s way unfortunately – shame, though, as I love QWERTY designs and my current Nokia is copying what BB established on the market.
3. I don’t think you need to be that innovate right now, all of the popular OSes are actually really good and eventually it will be all about, which one provides better value and which one is more appealing atm. Right now it is Android and iOS – tomorrow, who knows? Things are changing quite rapidly (remember when BB dominated the market?), so no one can predict how the market will look exactly in a couple of years. I, at least, am hoping that all of Android, iOS and WP succeed so there is pricing competition and therefore cheaper deals for all of us regardless of our personal preferences. The way I see it, it is going in that direction.
Now, don’t kill me for saying that, but in my personal opinion Apple’s margins will eventually come down when more people realize that you can do what you do on a iPhone with the same efficiency on a WP (where their APP numbers are high enough) and Android gives your more power for your money without killing the beatiful design (like Samsung’s products). iOS isn’t going down, but I do believe they will have to adopt a bit more agressive pricing and therefore lower margins if they are to keep their current market share (remember Win8 is build for tablets and can be quite successful, so it should be even tougher there, especially with the sort of efficient ICS now out…)
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 12:53 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Perhaps I misread your post and forgive me if I did, but you mention a few things I find interesting and somewhat odd.
-WP7 isn’t even a first attempt… But as most have blogged about, written on, been to conferences about, WP7 is a first attempt at touch-centric WP OS. WP is a re-written OS from the ground up, so while this isn’t Microsoft’s first attempt at a mobile OS, it is their first attempt at an entirely different OS.
Balmer thinks Microsoft is going to swoop in and take Apple’s momentum… I may be mistaken, but I’ve yet to hear, read or watch (through interviews) Balmer mention any of this. As far as most critics are concerned, WP is not competition to Apple but Android with a fair complement to Apple and their approach to mobile OS’s.
Mango’s big update included copy and paste…Copy and paste came in Nodo. Mango added, Twitter/LinkenIn integration, Multi-tasking, messenger integration, ringtones, linked inboxes, Local scout, voice navigation, Bing aggregation, WiFi hotspots, Visual Voicemail (to those carriers that allow it) and a host of other OS performance enhancements. It would seem you missed the memo about the Mango update the gap that is quickly closing between OS offerings among iOS, Android and WP.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 2:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yea sold over 1 million to the carriers and retailers collecting dust in the shelves. How many went to the hands of consumers?
Yup, another PR article courtesy of Redmond-Espoo.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 10:42 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
1 million is sold to the end-consumers. it is actually sold out in some outlets.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:33 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
source? from what i heared the crappy lg optimus hd lte outsold 2 lumia series phones in the same period.
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 5:48 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Holy crap, are you the same Nokia hater from Engadget?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:59 PM EST reply Recommend (2) Flag actions
If you believe no Lumias have been sold, next quarter the figure will be absolutely zero. Let’s wait for that, shall we?
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 3:45 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
typical wp fanboy.
let’s wait for nodo…..nothing
let’s wait for mango…..nothing
let’s wait for nokia…..nothing
let’s wait for windows 8…..guess what?
otoh, what nokia does in 3 months, apple does it in TWO days. lol
Posted on Jan 28, 2012 | 5:50 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Totally irrelevant and incorrect, but okay.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 8:08 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
wow – you got a stalker?
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 9:44 AM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
$99? That’s a stellar price point for a brand new smartphone. I’m personally locked into Android at this point, but I’d like to see Windows Phone pick up some business. Competition breeds rewards for consumers. Apple only seems willing to compete using lawyers and patents, which doesn’t help anyone but the lawyers.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 11:46 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
the Nokia 710 is $299 unlocked.
That is too high to encourage widespread adaption. Nokia needs to sell smart phones to feature phone owners.
not to readers of tech blogs, nor to owners of iphones and not to android users.
To get the middle ground, they need to get the prices low enough so the carriers can make a profit while offering a lower cost package. the TCO matters.
NOK does not have the luxury of slowly building up a base, they burning through cash and at the current rates have a only a year or two before they are broke. flag flying models are great but they will not move the dial. NOK is still moving way too slow, they are working at the speed of sound when the speed of light is required.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 12:52 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
300$ too high!? Do you want them for free – they can’t just give them away, manufacturing, logistics and marketing need to be paid from somewhere? How much is an iPhone 3GS as I’d rate them at a similar performance level?
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 12:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
http://www.esato.com/phones/compare.php?phone=460&cp=876
Actually hardware wise 710 is better, but it has more limited App options so for the purpose of argument, let’s say they are even.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:00 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Caco,
you might have missed the point. NOK will fail if it can’t tap into a new stream of customers. NOK needs to get cheaper phones into hands sooner not later.
If $300 is the best they can do with the 710 they need to make a 610 and start selling it today.
cheaper chips, less storage, whatever it takes.
and if they cant make a 610 super cheap make a 510 , 410 , 310 , , well you get it.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Can’t agree more, tbh with one of the points. I personally don’t need good camera, massive screen, etc and am happy to go for a lower speck-ed device as long as I like the build quality and the functionality of the OS. So yes, here in Europe if they launch Lumia 600/700, I wouldn’t even look at 800 as the deal will be better for my pocket. Nokia has a great customer base but it is a Symbian customer base which like cheap, functional, quality devices – so yes a lower specked WP makes sense from that point of view – but how low do you go? Because if they go much lower they will kill Symbian (not that many people will miss that).
However, come on, 300 quid is not a lot for the 710 – it is worth at least 400 (like the 3G S 16 gb, which I found to be 410 on amazon).
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:11 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
$300 for an unlocked smartphone? I think that is a great price since I’m used to seeing $500 and above. Are there any other comparable or better phones for that price that are also unlocked?
I did a quick check on Google and only see $399 and above. One place has it for $255. Given that search, I want to know where it is common and a reputable place to buy a Lumia 710 unlocked for $300. That would be an awesome price.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:18 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Exactly.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:22 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The pre-price for an 800 without contract is around 430€ (~650$) where I live (you have to remember it hasn’t even launched in a lot of european countries), which is over 100€ less than a Nexus or a Razr. For that price I wouldn’t be surprised if it succeeds in luring in consumers, but for me I wouldn’t bother even though I’m mildly tempted, since without tethering it’s useless to me…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:44 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
It’s great to hear Lumia devices are doing well, but I would still like some more Meego (Maemo 6) devices as well. =(
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 1:51 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
bring that lumia 900 to verizon and ill scoop that up on the 1st day
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:05 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
It’s nice to see these startups like Microsoft and Nokia shaking thing up in the smartphone world.
Let’s hear it for the little guy(s)
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:16 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
This is really good considering they launched in only 6 markets, and that 1 million+ doesn’t include all the new countries yet. WP haters can now shut it.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:19 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Not really. A million handsets in a few months is really nothing to should about.
Anyway, there’s not many WP haters here, kid. We’re all a bit meh when it comes to anything to do with WP, as the sales figures indicate
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
You’re a hater, gtfo.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:56 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
If I’m currect Nokia sold 1.2 M of Lumia Phones and 1.4 M of Nokia N8 MeeGo handsets. These numbers pales against the 7.2 M of iPhones the just AT&T sold. :-( http://news.yahoo.com/t-winning-iphone-race-against-verizon-loses-6-133348326.html
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:21 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The N8 is in more markets, so is the iPhone and the iPhone has an established fan base. Can’t expect insane sales in 6 weeks.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:23 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Nokia or MS don’t have an established fan base?
This isn’t their Year Zero.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:34 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Just because someone is a fan of Nokia or Microsoft doesn’t mean they are an established fan of the Lumia series.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:36 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Yep, old Nokias (Symbian) have nothing to do with Lumias. So to get Lumia going they need to attract some of its old and some new customers as I presume many Nokia buyers who like the extremely simplicity of Symbian (like older people) will stick with it as they 1. don’t need a smartphone 2. are scared from the prospect of switching from what they are comfortable with.
The only established Fanbase Nokia has that would aid Lumias is whoever bough their N-series and were happy with the product.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 3:44 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
But why is the Lumia 800 in so few markets? It seems unlikely that they’re supply constrained, and it’s not like Nokia lacks existing relationships with carriers.
The only reason for Lumia not to be available in a market is because none of the carriers in that market wanted it. Perhaps they were happy with their existing WP7 phones. Perhaps they wanted to see significant sales elsewhere before they committed. Nokia’s in ability to push this into every one of their major markets yet is a warning sign.
Posted on Jan 29, 2012 | 9:49 AM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
SO everyone must buy an iPhone. Be an iDrone.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:01 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I just found better statistics about Nokia’s sales on All About Symbian webpage in article |
Nokia Q4 2011 – in the heart of transition |
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/14122_Nokia_Q4_2011-in_the_heart_of_.php
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:10 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
Look at Samsung though, my second favorite brand after Nokia. That’s some growth!
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:20 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Btw, you can’t help but feel that 2012-2013 will be a three horse race with the rest dying slowly…Samsung, Nokia and iPhone are showing serious strength compared to the rest…
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:22 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
just realised, if an HTC fan reads this, I will get plenty of abuse :)
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:25 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I think HTC will be fine once they reign in their manufacturing… Make 5-6 GOOD phones a year as opposed to a couple good ones and 20 terrible ones which they seem to be doing now
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:57 PM EST reply Recommend (1) Flag actions
That’s what I was thinking… on Motorola – I can’t see them beating Samsung for the Android phones,. RIM has dug a hole and is not coming out. Maybe Sony can recover but I really doubt that. Besides the big three, I can only see HTC remaining strong if they manage to resist Samsung’s massive growth and somehow get a better share of Android devices – but still, I can’t see margins to be big there. Maybe they should focus a bit more on WP, too, just like Nokia as Samsung seems far too strong for them recently.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:32 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
Forgot LG but they are too small to be considered yet, might grow, might not – who the hell knows :)
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 5:33 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
The accepted number seems to be 1.4 Million, which is EXTREMELY promising considering it was available in 6 countries for little over 6 weeks (less in some countries) Compare those numbers to say, Motorola who SHIPPED 10.4 million over the entire quarter in 10X the amount of countries including US China and other major phone buyers… Nokia is on a great path to success, although maybe its time to start worrying about Moto
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 4:55 PM EST reply Recommend Flag actions
I love my Lumia 710, I wish T-Mobile sold the 800 but I’m very happy with it. This is a good start for Windows Phone.
Posted on Jan 26, 2012 | 9:12 PM EST via mobile reply Recommend Flag actions
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