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simbadogg
On The Verge since Nov 01, 2011
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I guess you conveniently forgot about windows 8 didn’t you?
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Microsoft is making a significant amount of money, off an app that is free, where they don’t get any of the revenue? You do know there is absolutely no distinction between 1st party and 3rd party apps if they’re in violation right? Now you’re just making yourself look like a douche by making stupid assumptions.
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So not you’re entire argument, or the basis of your previous comment, is based on the fact that you’re assuming that microsoft is going to ignore the cease and desist order? I’ve heard of being biased, but now you’re making your entire argument based off of somewhat unintelligent assumptions…
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You sound like the typical fandroid that has more allegiance than sense. If you think Firefox OS is going to take the world by storm and destroy WP, that’s cool, but the OS that they’d take more from would actually be android. He overwhelming majority of android sales come from low end devices. Firefox OS is in this range and the range of the Asha line from Nokia.
But if you don’t want google to make an app for them because you think the windows phone ecosystem isn’t viable, that’s okay…but in many countries they’re already at 5, 6 even 7 percent market share, and still projected to grow.
Your post is filled with more opinion than fact, but if you want to ignore facts because of your opinions, you have every right to.
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Very nice post, thanks for the effort. Its always nice seeing empirical data in a post or comment rather than just opinions and bias.
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Cool, they’ll remove it. Just very curious why google has never gone after any of the other apps that have been able to do the same exact thing for more than half a year. But, you’re right.
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Cool. That’s cool man. At least you can actually admit that you’re a hater.
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Are planning on actually addressing anything I said, or you just wanted to be a jackass when chiming in? So far, it looks like you’re just being a jackass
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You think that Microsoft releasing this app, breaking the ToS, getting the C&D letter from youtube and then citing this ad further evidence is a waste of the courts time?
“Hello regulatory body, we have some additional evidence for you to review, please read this”
“Okay, noted”
That’s wasting the courts time? You’re not even making a convincing argument at this point.
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Can you even pretend to not be biased for one fucking second…i mean seriously?
Did you read what he said, he can view a website on his desktop IE browser after changing the user agent to the same as the iphone 5, and it views the website perfectly, but when viewing it as a windows phone, it gives you a 10 year old WAP experience. They have the same exact capability, same exact engine, but Google is making the choice to redirect browsers based off of user agent string to sites that look like shit. Not based on what they can do/how they render the page, but based off of what browser it is.
I really don’t even expect some Google fanboys to even admit to this, because sometimes they’re so blind. But you cannot literally say “IE10 and IE10 aren’t capable of rendering google properties” when you can actually show evidence that they do. It’s the same exact problem that happened w/ Google maps.
“We redirected windows phone users because they were unable to render the maps experience. Except the browser was actually able to do it just fine, then google came out and lied and said microsoft and they made recent improvements (over night) so they took away the redirect.
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I’m sorry, but that seems like a pretty stupid argument to make. Market share matters more than the actual number of customers? So a platform that has 18% of a market (let’s pretend that’s what the xbox and ps3 are at if they’ve both sold 70 million each, and wii is at 250 million) is more important than a platform that has sold say 100 million but only has 5% market share?
If that were the case, absolutely no one would have made OSX apps, ever, since it’s market share it so low. And if you’re a company that’s building an app to serve up videos, and those videos have ads, what’s the difference to you (in terms of ad revenue) if it’s a mobile device vs a console vs a connected internet device that’s showing them up? You’re attempting to make an argument w/out real distinction.
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In terms of anti trust investigations, there’s no such thing as taking the law into your own hands. What would Microsoft of anyone else do? Turned into some caped crusader/vigilante and go steal money from them, or kill them.
I think you’re somewhat mistaken, if you file an initial complaint, are you just supposed to stay mum about it and hope that regulatory commissions read tech blogs? I’m pretty sure you can just amend your filing, or file additional documents to support your complaint. This isn’t some civil or criminal case where you have to worry about discovery.
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If I’m not mistaken, and correct me if I’m wrong, but Boxee has a dedicated youtube app, as does roku, apple tv (from what I remember this is not just a blown up iphone/ipad app in the sense that android does things, even w/ fragments), xbox 360, ps3…
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You should look into anticompetive tactics that have been used by other companies over the years. You can have something that would be considered a product differentiator, but when you use that differentiator to target your competition, in some cases, that can be considered anti-competitive.
For example, what it Apple were to bring back DRM in iTunes. But not bring it back so music/video was locked in to Apple devices, but made it so it would not play on only Android devices…that would likely be Apple using their dominant position in digital multimedia sales to unfairly target Google/Android.
His example about windows phone is largely a pertinent and actually a good one. Google has repeatedly said they won’t offer apps for WP and W8 because the users aren’t there, even though they support some platforms w/ roughly the same amount or less users. Some would say that Vimeo, Daily motion etc are all alternatives, but YouTube is considered and is statistically the dominant online video sharing/delivery service.
I think this is why MSFT purposely painted Google into a corner this last week.
Google previously complained they didn’t want to invest money into platforms that didn’t have the users, so MSFT, after some frustration, just said forget it, we’ll just release the app ourselves. Google wants the app pulled because it doesn’t conform to their guidelines about showing ads (even though they haven’t cared about Metrotube et al), because the WP app will represent a significant loss of ad revenue to them.
So which is it? The platform is too small to develop an app for, but too big to allow free video streaming for? And too small to be bothered to develop an app for, whereas MSFT has already done it and said “we’ll gladly show ads, just give us the APIs that YouTube was working w/ us on before someone from Google said no”. Since YouTube is the worlds most dominant web video sharing/delivery service, regulators might ask…why is it that you have made apps for platforms w/ less users, but refuse to allow MSFT to have an app on their platform?
We’ll find out next week as the cease/desist and pull date comes and goes for the MSFT made YouTube app, and how Google wants to play this – but I wouldn’t be surprised if Microsoft’s legal counsel already has a drafted letter already typed up to the EU and other bodies like this one in Canada basically stating that what Google is saying vs what they are doing doesn’t make sense.
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What would make you think that there’s even the notion that there’s some type of Google witch hunt going on? As the article pointed out, they’re not the first investigative body to look into how Google does business. The FTC and DoJ have, as well as the EU have.
Considering that in both the US and EU (i’m pretty sure about the EU, but not 100%) they have made concessions to end investigations (changing some of the business practices that others have complained about) kinda means something to me.
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Indexed revenue, indexed to what? January 2012 revenues could have been 1 million dollars, which would make this graph pretty much meaningless.
“Hey look, app revenue has grown from 1 million a month in January 2012 to 6.5 million in December. "
I’m guessing you’re not willing to post numbers for us, because you essentially posted an apple graph w/ nothing on the Y access to make it look like you’re doing better than you really are.
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I never liked the guys design, just wasn’t a fan.
but manIve cannot come soon enough, this was seriously so incredibly ugly and distasteful.
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I’m literally so sick of fucking trolls on this site…
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But honestly, how many articles do we really have to put up with where it’s google vs apple, and all other worthy competitors are basically left out, even if they might offer a better service. And the offensives are particularly bad when it comes to MSFT, I don’t think anyone will deny that.
They’ll talk about Evernote, Google Keep, and not make one mention about OneNote (I addressed this in one of the articles that first came out when google keep dropped).
They’ll talk about Google Drive and Dropbox, and will often forget to even mention skydrive.
Same thing w/ Google Docs, but often forget that the world runs on office, and msft actually has a free web option that does the same thing, but doesn’t break compatibility.
In some of the Microsoft examples, like onenote or skydrive, there are actually more msft product customers, but they mention evernote/dropbox before the ones that are biggest in the field? It reeks to be honest…
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I’ve never understood this stance that the verge and many others take, particularly mac people. OSX, even though it has a low market share, is incredibly relevant because it’s a damn good product. But if something like Xbox music or something else have great features, but the same low market share, it’s low market share is some type handicap that disqualifies it from consideration?
One thing I just cannot stand are people that are biased, try to justify it, and when you break down their justification it makes even less sense.
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