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On The Verge, Episode 005: Tony Fadell and Chris Grant

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For the first time, and hopefully not the last time, we have two guests sitting on the Verge couch. Former Apple hardware designer Tony Fadell (now CEO of Nest) talks about working on eighteen generations of iPods and early prototypes of the iPhone. And Chris Grant gives us a look at what his new video game site could have been called if he didn't get Polygon.com.

Paul announces that he is leaving the internet, Nilay makes some Kickstarter funding suggestions, Josh reveals what Instagram is doing with a billion dollars and everyone comes out to play a little Johann Sebastian Joust. Watch the full episode below, followed by a ton of clips, in case you want to share some with your friends.

Oh, and make sure you check out our musical guest Animal Style on 8bitpeoples, and File Freakout.