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Pichai says he didn’t use auto-deleting Google Chat for “substantive discussions.”

“I typically use Google chat for administrative purposes, for scheduling purposes; I don’t engage in substantive discussions on matters related to all of this.”

Someone might ping him to schedule a meeting on a related topic, he suggests, but he wouldn’t discuss it there.

He could not swear in court that he’d never, ever chatted on a substantive topic. “Not that I recall,” he says.

“Are you aware that Google produced 8 chats total with you as a participant?” asked Epic lawyer Moskowitz.

“I was not aware of that,” he says.