Google lawyer Jonathan Kravis has a slideshow ready and waiting and is asking Epic CEO Tim Sweeney the same basic question four ways: does Sony charge 30 percent? Does Microsoft charge 30 percent? Does Nintendo charge 30 percent? Does Apple? Do any of them allow sideloading or app stores?

Sweeney agrees, all of them charge 30 percent. None of them allow sideloading or app stores — save Android.

“Epic still makes plenty of money on consoles, right?” asks Kravis.

Epic is currently losing money, Sweeney claims — but Kravis says Epic earned $12 billion across Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo platforms.