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Today on The Vergecast: Walt Mossberg on the Mac at 40, and Ali Abdaal on productivity tools.

After 40 years, the Mac line is as strong and successful as ever — does it have another four decades to go? And in 2064, will we be talking about the Vision Pro launch the same way we talk about the Macintosh?

Our good friend Walt Mossberg has some thoughts. Then YouTuber and author Ali Abdaal talks about his book, “Feel Good Productivity,” and why my to-do app habit is really not helping me get anything done. Click here to listen in your preferred podcast app.