Microsoft now lets Surface Laptop owners revert to Windows 10 S

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Microsoft is now allowing Surface Laptop owners to switch back to Windows 10 S after they’ve upgraded to Windows 10 Pro. While the upgrade path from Windows 10 S to Windows 10 Pro on the Surface Laptop is quick and easy, going back to Windows 10 S isn’t straightforward. Microsoft is offering special software restore images for Surface Laptop devices, and you’ll need to wipe the entire machine to get back to Windows 10 S.

This is surprisingly complicated given the switch to Windows 10 Pro takes less than a minute and involves a simple reboot. Nevertheless, if you really want to switch back to Windows 10 S and wipe your drive clean then Microsoft’s recovery images are available at the company’s Surface site. It’s unclear whether Microsoft plans to enable an easier downgrade method in the future, or simply rely on Windows 10 S device makers to provide restore images.

Microsoft's Surface Laptop is the first device to run Windows 10 S, a new variant of Windows 10 that is designed to only run Windows Store apps. HP, Acer, and other PC makers are planning to release low-cost laptops running Windows 10 S in the coming months.

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Ahh Windows 10s. I wonder how long ye will last.

If IOS 11 on an ipad and Chromebooks are suggested to be productivity devices, then Windows 10 S is well positioned to be an option. Every case requires an adjustment into what a person considers normal workflow compared to a MacOS or Windows 10 machine. All of these platforms are reaching for the future of computing and Windows has the strongest platform for full feature applications, especially now that WIN32 apps can be packaged up for the store.

if the Windows/MS Store can get more apps, then yes it has a future.

The problem with apps is Microsoft – taking 30% from developers isn’t exactly making the Windows Store an attractive proposition for them to develop on.

If Microsoft management showed any intelligence, they should have charged 10% and brought developers on board first before anything else.

agreed. MS should reduce the fees, or eliminate them for non games apps in the store.

The problem is there are other strong established markets on Windows x86.
Steam, GoG, Origin, Blizzard, Wargaming, Adobe, …
Yes most of them is games.
But fact is people don’t want to rebuy software.

So if their market does not work on their new Laptops hardware but on their 10 years old Windows XP they will not like the new OS.
Legacy Software is a big factor for Windows.
And a hard break is … well hard.
Just look how long the NT took to get good market share.
NT4, 2000, even early days XP could not scratch Windows 98, Microsoft even felt the need to make ME as option.

Not really, these are more aimed at low end PCs, which in itself wouldn’t even run most games.

But in that category, ITunes, Spotify, Office and a browser and maybe WhatsApp (Which is in the store right now) are all the things that general users need.

Since Windows 10 S has all of that, I think it’ll do quite well

But Even then…..

Gamers and Professionals wouldn’t buy Windows 10 S PCs anyway.

Don’t be surprised if Microsoft has only Windows 10 S and Pro only on sale to consumers in the near future.

The store version of the Whatsapp app isn’t as nice as the the website version.

When 90+ percent of the population can’t tell your two OSs apart (and don’t even know there are two of them in the first place), you have a problem. Remember what a huge success Windows RT was?

Really should have made a dual boot option for this.

Less available disk space for everyone just so the indecisive people can use both 10S and 10 Pro? How about no, make a decision dude.

If it only takes one minute and a restart to do the install as per the article, then surely all the data must already be on the system?

Windows 10S IS Windows 10 Pro (but without all the shit 3rd-party software can leave on your system)

That`s why its so easy to go from Windows 10S to Windows 10 Pro. The only thing is does is give other the permission to mess up your system how ever they want.

Its like removing your front door and giving your whole neighborhood permission to enter your house when ever they want. You surely can reinstall the door again at any time you want, but somebody might already have painted a nice graffiti in you living room or merged your bedroom and bathroom with a sledgehammer while you were at work.

And that’s also why there is no easy way to go back to Windows 10 S. Once the system is messed up it can’t be undone. There are certain things that old Win32 Apps can do to your system, that just can’t be undone without a system wipe.

That`s why I am stunned how so many tech-reviewers just mindless recommend people just upgrade their windows 10S device to windows 10 Pro no matter if the actual user would need the capabilities of installing Programmes outside of the store. I think people first for sure should try some time to life with Windows 10S.

> Once the system is messed up it can’t be undone. There are certain things that old Win32 Apps can do to your system, that just can’t be undone without a system wipe.

Only because Microsoft has made it that way. It’s trivial to fix something like this on Linux, and you still have to go through the wipe and provisioning even if not a single Win32 application was installed. It’s poor design on Microsoft’s part.

> I am stunned how so many tech-reviewers just [sic]mindless recommend people just upgrade their windows 10S device to windows 10 Pro no matter if the actual user would need the capabilities of installing Programmes outside of the store.I think people first for sure should try some time to life with Windows 10S

Many users who purchase this laptop don’t want to be excluded from the Google ecosystem. It’s not worth the cost difference to migrate.

Nice hat.

Only because Microsoft has made it that way. It’s trivial to fix something like this on Linux

Well but this is blaming them for mistakes they made 25years ago. Microsoft has a huge legacy to carry with them (…hell they are still fixing Windows XP bugs after 20years just to protect "junger" Windows systems) and flipping the switch with windows 10S is exactly what you are blaming them to not have done already. Windows 10 S is exactly that system that lets you install and uninstall Win32 Apps without affecting the system. People like to complain about the old legacy behavior of Windows, but on the other hand are angry once MS actually flip the switch.

and you still have to go through the wipe and provisioning even if not a single Win32 application was installed. It’s poor design on Microsoft’s part

You don’t really have. If you haven’t installed any Windows Apps outside from the Store you can flip the switch in the setting (like on every other Windows 10 device) and you are technically back on Windows 10 S. But how would MS be able to tell, that you have actually not installed or executed any other program on your system unless they would completely observe you entire System all the time. They just can not guarantee that you are Back on Windows 10 S unless you wipe your system.

Many users who purchase this laptop don’t want to be excluded from the Google ecosystem. It’s not worth the cost difference to migrate.

You are by no means excluded from the google ecosystem. Only because Google is trying to convince you that their services only are working with their own browser, doesn’t make it true.

Microsoft could have made it work with a dedicated 10 S or OS drive, or similar.

It’s not exactly a complicated issue to resolve, but it is confusing for regular customers.

A simple dual-boot that explains the differences would solve all these issues and let people choose one or the other at any time. Allowing an upgrade is a shitty decision, and neither here nor there.

I don’t think it’s surprising that upgrading to Windows 10 Pro from S is straightforward, while downgrading is complicated. The upgrade is enabling functions otherwise disabled; however the downgrade, while it is disabling functions, if said functions are in use (i.e. traditional Win32 programs that are installed) and the crap they leave behind in the registry, etc, would otherwise still remain.

This. 10S is the locked-down version, that "will work the same on Day 1 to Day 1000." It’s not surprising that Microsoft can only guarantee the reversion to 10S is full and effective by undoing everything that was done by the user and any install non-store programs.

I have been having a hard time finding out what the differences are between S and Pro, other than the app store limitations.

Does S have any benefits, such as faster booting, battery life, resume from wake, etc? Or, is it just windows with mandated app store use?

S should have longer battery life and overall faster performance over time. Microsoft has said that it will work the same on Day 1 to Day 1000. No more registry crap chugging out all the resources from your machine.

Only because you can’t install Win32 apps not sanctioned for the Store. That’s not exactly a bad thing if those things are you goals though, as even the framework for modern apps are better suited for the computing landscape of 2017 than Win32 is.

Faster boot times, better battery life, and increased security. And for admins, it makes the devices easier to manage.

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