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Tunnel vision is tolerable to an extent because (as you say) it’s often unavoidable. But intellectual honesty & interpersonal courtesy are not idealistic. A lack of these traits is a sure sign of ignorance and superficial reasoning, practicing them also happens to be a highly effective check against tunnel vision
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Very true my guy (though we can probably both agree some people are more successful at objectivity than others
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- You did strawman both @OpssYourBad and my comments; you misrepresented our initial arguments and I had to clarify both times.
They are arguing that it is possible to oppose including people of color in a fantasy series about elves and dragons without having racially motivated motives…I am arguing they are wrong.
And I—having direct experience with the effects of racial bias and media representation—am telling you your argument is presumptuous and insufficiently evidenced. Yet you have implied, and you have serially implied that I am also racially biased:
If you want to defend the side that thinks the show is bad because a black elf betrays Tolkien’s vision, that’s fine. You do you.
Do you not see how ironic that is? I will agree to disagree.
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Please don’t try to pull the "the guy pointing out the racially motivated criticism is actually the narrow-minded person" nonsense.
Bruh…you’re the one insisting their criticism is racially motivated. You’ve done nothing but strawman, sidestep (beg the question), and demonize (ad hominem), just to avoid engaging with an opposing perspective. That is the definition of being narrow-minded (it’s got nothing to do with your opinion, and everything to do with your attitude).
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Okay, suit yourself. I’m not trying to convince you of anything of the sort, just offering another perspective as I think you’re speaking from a place of ignorance/narrow-mindedness (and I suppose at this point — bad faith).
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No, he’s asking (albeit in a roundabout way) if you believe fictional world building is always trivial, or you only say it is because you don’t care in this case.
Also, I’m black and I totally agree with all of @WonkoTheSane’s points. Based on your arguments, does that make me racially biased? —No. All stories, even fiction, are constructed intentionally to convey specific, contextual meaning. Good stories convey meaning that resonates deeply with the audience (representation is good, but it is not actually essential to a resonant story, I know this from experience). When the constructs/elements of a story are arbitrarily rearranged or modified, the meaning is also changed. When a beloved story is appropriated in this way, people who understand the bait-and-switch will feel defrauded/gaslighted/disillusioned etc. Hence, the impassioned criticism.
In short: Don’t tell someone else’s story if you won’t tell it right. Your audience will only hate you for it.
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No everyone can write as succinctly/exhaustively/articulately as @WonkoTheSane, might be helpful to give the "anti-woke" reviews the benefit of the doubt (especially those which aren’t vitriolic or blatantly racist).