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They aren’t particularly in the right hands now. Making war more remote and the costs more abstract for a nation that has a penchant for involving itself lengthy conflicts in every corner of the globe, that feels like it should flex its influence globally, isn’t a good thing.
Just look at the current drone program. The civilian death rate to target ratio is unprecedented. It’s gotten us involved in countless more conflicts than we would’ve been otherwise.
I don’t know that this would do any good in anyone’s hands, but I definitely don’t believe it’s in the right hands with the US given its history.
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Maybe it’s just me but the bezels look fine. They definitely aren’t the slimmest but they don’t look bad either. I like that they’re even.
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Yes. They should stop including them. It is a waste of resources. If they stopped it would be cheaper or they would make more profit.
Except time and time again we’ve seen the removal of accessories does not mean we get cheaper products, and while Microsoft and apple may appreciate that greater profit for removing or excluding them I have absolutely no reason to as the buyer and neither does the reviewer. Why should I care at all if Microsoft or apple can profit more off me? That’s insane.
And again the idea that they’d have to raise the price to include these is also ridiculous. I promise you the Surface Pro 8 keyboard doesn’t cost $150 for Microsoft to make, and no you don’t have to care about their profit margins either.
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Except tech has a full history of accessories, and certainly the absence of formerly included accessories, not impacting the price. Would the iMac be sold cheaper if it didn’t included a mouse and keyboard? Should it stop including them in case people have old mice and keyboards? Have phones become cheaper as they’ve stopped including headphones and chargers in the box? The economics of these devices have decidedly not been impacted by the accessories they do and don’t include. That could easily be the case for the Surface Pro and iPad Pro.
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I love this imaginary world where there’s some significant number of people buying Surface Pros with cheapo logitech keyboards because they think that’s better than the keyboard designed for this device. This to me reads no different than arguments for phone makers no longer including chargers in box (which by the way the removal of accessories being bundled with our phones has not made them cheaper.) If it’s a necessary accessory include it free of charge.
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Because these pro tablets are incomplete without the accessories they’re sold on the basis of. How many Surface Pros have you seen in the wild without keyboards? How many people have you seen buy an iPad Pro without the pencil or keyboard?
They’re also certainly cheap af to produce despite their hyper bloated price tags. These trillion dollar companies don’t really need any sort of defense to sell core utilities of their devices separately at 80x the cost.
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I don’t think it should change the price. You can’t convince me the actual material and build costs of those base level keyboards are so great that they (Microsoft and apple both) couldn’t eat the cost in their margins. These accessories are sold separately because the margins on them are ludicrously high and they’re cash cows themselves.
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Both the iPad Pros and especially the Surface Pros should be coming with these accessories. At least the keyboard. It’s a very valid criticism imo, even if this never changes. Let’s not kid ourselves that a meaningful number of Surface Pro buyers aren’t also spending their money on the very necessary keyboard accessory.
The Surface Pro 8 is fantastic, but this model continues to be a blemish on it and other flagship/ pro tablets.
Windows doesn’t have to be fresh or exciting. Its greatest assets are its raw utility and familiarity in how to utilize it. If Microsoft wants to partake in bold new UI experiments they’re more than welcome to do that on the Duo, or release the Neo to keep the sort of project managers that aren’t content with useful but staid iteration happy.
Maybe Microsoft is still afraid mobile and close based platforms will eat Window’s lunch, but changing UI elements people have decades of muscle memory around to give the OS a minor facelift every six years isn’t going to change that.
We’ve also seen record PC sales these last couple of years proving out that there is very much still a place for Windows even if it is no longer the only platform that matters anymore, 2006 is never coming back.
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Who is Skype even for at this point?
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This seems nice design-wise if you only ever use a tablet laying flat on a desk, but that’s about it. If you want a big touch screen you can carry around or even just prop on your legs while you lean back this seems like a less successful product than the previous design with its detachable display. Just way too big.
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Thunderbolt and trimming down the bezels is exactly what Surface Pro fans have been asking for for years now. This seems as close to perfect as it reasonably could be.
The upper limit is an constraint, but while I agree a greater base storage is always preferred practically speaking 64GB isn’t going to be a problem for most speaking from experience.
I’ve been using an iPad Air 4 for more than 6 months now as my primary computer. I can’t say I do anything particularly wild on it, the closest thing to work I do on it is admittedly photo editing, and if you’ll count it the occasional text editing and email. I’m currently using less than half my total storage. Most stuff we do on iPads or mobile devices in general is largely cloud based. The apps generally don’t take up too much room. The only time I really ever think about my iPad’s storage is when I’m reading the verge lol
Granted if you’re looking to store a lot of movies and shows on your iPad for offline viewing, don’t feel like deleting games after you’re no longer really playing them, or want to take a crack at video editing on it without using an external SSD yeah that 64GB might not be enough. But it will be enough if you’re just storing a couple movies here and there for a trip, or if you don’t mind using external storage for larger projects. Obviously it’s going to come down to use case but I don’t think most people need to worry about the base storage of these iPads.