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If Whatsapp was not tied in any way, shape, or form with Facebook I would be interested. But Meta is just Facebook and their leadership has proven again and again to be completely untrustworthy and more products owned by them are not worthy of mass adoption simply because of who they are.

Right on Neil, I appreciate that you stand for what you believe in. Also, Spotify obviously no longer considers streaming music to be their primary business. I think that their client sucks on every platform personally, the GUI sucks. Let’s see if this levels out the other music streaming services that are all better than Spotify anyway. Hopefully more music artists leave.

I honestly don’t care about Rogan or what he says, but I am a Neil Young fan.

They like the ad dollars that Rogan brings in. Based on what I have read, if you advertise on Rogan you have to buy ads elsewhere too. I don’t use Spotify because I just don’t like the UI. However, I prefer to get my podasts from shows and players that support podcastindex.org. I am not one to support podcasting becoming a corporate run ecosystem.

Also, Spotify also doesn’t want to censor him, or remove him if you don’t like the word censor (even though in my view it is still censorship if they remove him, just corporate censorship which is perfectly legal instead of government censorship which is illegal). It is the people who are fired up about this, the people I choose to call a "mob", who want for him to be censored in the hope of causing him to be hurt by making less money because they do not approve of what he says.

True. I find it sad that Spotify, being primarily a music service, has decided to prioritize podcasts over music. I also feel that part of the beauty of podcasts has been that whacked out people can say any crackpot thing that they want. Thanks to Spotify deciding to become a company with exclusive podcasts they are threatening the rest of the ecosystem because the mob of people who like to silence speech that they do not like has been activated.

Yeah, I do not doubt that Rogan is not qualified to have anything but an anecdotal based opinion. If he states that opinion and honestly states that it is an uneducated opinion, then I personally think he is okay. If he presents it as a simple fact, then I think he is shady. However, I still question censoring him regardless as his listeners should be aware that he is not a source for truthful scientific/medical advice.

I understand the difference you see, and I agree that there is a difference. However, it is still misinformation if scientists are stating in real time what they believe to be true about a health emergency and as soon as it is publicly released it is no longer true. Also, I feel that the intentions of the person stating misinformation is important. If someone honestly believes what they are saying then they get more of a pass than say someone who misleads based on an ulterior motive. Still though, if Rogan (who I do not listen to) is interviewing someone who is stating misinformation, that too is different than if Rogan is stating misinformation as if it is fact.

Trump was nothing but Mr. Misinformation. But when he was the one who pushed through executive orders that made the Emergency Use Authorization possible and emergency funding he also did more to get the vaccines existing than anyone other than the scientists. (Disclosure: I am not a Trump supporter, just someone who has an unbiased memory of the President that I was not a fan of).

You are correct regarding what I call contradictions in reality being a case of "figuring out the shape of this pandemic". However, personally, they should present their less than fleshed out guidance a little more forthrightly. Do not present things as facts when they aren’t. I know that is more on the media than on the scientists, but anyone who doesn’t know that 100% of the media sucks isn’t paying very close attention.

Fauci and the CDC have also provided plenty of information that was later proven false. That means that was misinformation.

I agree with you, we have the constitution that guarantees the right of free speech. Granted, this is a corporation, and the first amendment does not apply, but I am honestly sick of the mob of people thinking that they can brow beat corporations into not saying things that they don’t like. The government and pharma companies are both also so proven untrustworthy that I am not so sure why everyone is so upset about things like this to begin with. I don’t know of any source of information I have heard of for COVID yet that I trust. I think that they are all guessing. Trump was responsible for us getting the vaccines, I doubt anyone here trusts him. Biden now takes credit. Do you trust him? I trust none of them.

What is misleading about interviewing people? Does Rogan actually say the misinformation, or do his guests when he interviews them? I do not listen to the show, but there is a differentiator in what I ask. I am sorry, but the spokespeople in our government and medical community have contradicted themselves so many times in this COVID era that it is not difficult to find misinformation from the official sources too.

I would absolutely support unvaccinated people having to pay their own way or to have to pay more for their insurance.

I agree that vaccines are worthwhile. My argument is where is the evidence with THIS vaccine that is going to convince people who simply do not want to get it because they do not trust it? There are things negative about THIS vaccine that are not merely misinformation. My wife got shingles for the first time in her life four days after getting her first shot. That lasted for 6 weeks and was very painful. I personally had puss coming out of my eyes for 4 weeks after my second shot. To protect myself from a disease that for most people is not even severe. I still have continued getting the vaccine, but I don’t see the justification for forcing others to get it or to prevent people from talking about negative side effects, or in preventing people from publicly questioning the safety of the vaccine regarding things that are documented many times in the VAERS database (https://vaers.hhs.gov/).

https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/26/22903354/spotify-joe-rogan-removing-neil-young-music

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Can you point at evidence that should make people universally trust the pharmaceutical industry, the government (which is lobbied heavily by the pharmaceutical industry), or the media (which is mainly funded by the pharmaceutical industry)? The pharmaceutical industry is widely known to be one of the most corrupt industries that exists.I am triple vaxxed, get the flue vax, and I do not trust any of the above.

Well, the alternative is to do what a lot of people seem to want to do which appears to be either banish people from society and take away their rights and livelihoods or to forcibly vaccinate them like a dog because they don’t want to get a vaccination, neither of which I am willing to support. I believe that people’s right of choice is more important than the burden on the existing health care system.

And that sounds more like a problem with our health care system than anything else to me.

You don’t know much about Neil Young when making a comment like that. Trust me, he is serious and he will do it. Even though he is an old white man, for whatever that interjection of yours has to do with anything.

They could put the unvaccinated people who need hospitalization on cots in a tent in the parking lot and reserve the hospital beds for people with other illnesses for all I care.

Honestly, if the health care system can’t take the demand then they should hire more people or do what they need to do to get more beds. I support people’s right to determine what they choose to do over the impact on the health care system. I feel no sympathy for those who choose not to get the vaccinated and then get extremely ill or die. What they believe is no concern of mine.

I support Neil’s right to not associate with this content and to remove his content from the platform. But in the modern world, god help anyone who chooses not to say whatever they were told to say by whoever the approved expert was. Honestly, people’s comments on what can and can’t be said scares me almost as bad as COVID. I am triple vaccinated for whatever that is worth, it certainly isn’t enough to count as being pro-vaccination if I have the gall to publicly question the ever changing "Science" of the hour. I certainly hope people do not consider Rogan to be any kind of an expert, I am sure that some might, I have never even listened to the guy’s show and don’t care to. I do enjoy Neil Young though.

What is the relevance of this comment?